i was reading a forum at nissanforums.com and this person said that his Spec-V beat a WRX on a highway??? I dunno bout this, but wouldnt the WRX win bcuz of their engine power??? well i dunno, one of my ideas were that, that Spec-V was probably modified, u ppl at nissanforums.com should check it out??
:rolleyes:

I am a spec v fan but i have to be honest i would have to give wrx a little credit they are quick cars and awd so i think that spec v would need a lot of work done to it or guy driving wrx is horrible.

I think it is pretty believable if the spec was slightly modded. The only real reason the wrx gets such low times is because of the awd, from a roll they really aren't that quick. I actually kept up with one pretty well from a roll when I only had an intake, granted it was a 2 lane road, and he was in front of me and pulled the whole time, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. I think if the wrx still had the same power at the wheels (still had the drivetrain loss of awd) but was fwd it would pull very high 14's, just like a slightly modded spec.

My uncle has a spec v and raced a WRX at the 1/4 track, he has headers, cai, the 2.5 liter motor forgot the exact class, i believe 5zigen exaust not sure, and i think thats all for mods. he won by like a half a second for the best time, but the WRX was stock none the less a good win

oh yea carbon fiber too

Here is a little bit of information about each car:

2002 Subaru WRX ...
Curb Weight: ~3100 lbs
Engine: 2.0L High Output Turbocharged DOHC
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 5.1 sec
Top Speed: ~150mph
Base MSRP: ~$25k

2002 Nissan SE-R Spec V ...
Curb Weight: ~2710 lbs
Engine: 2.5L V4 engine
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 7.4 sec
Top Speed: ~130mph
Base MSRP: ~$18k



Here's my final verdict:

It would take quite a few mods for a Spec V to keep up with a WRX. If you were both already driving, you'd be able to keep up with it until the max speed is exceeded. From a start, though, you'd be blown out of the water. If the WRX driver is experienced, he'd get his car up to 3500 RPM (point at which the turbo kicks in) immediately and let you eat his dust. There are only two statistics in which the Spec V beats the WRX: price and curb weight. With curb weight, there is only a 400 lbs difference (give or take), and the extra 52hp and 27lbs of torque more than make up for that. Now that leaves us with the price. Yes, you save about $7k by purchasing a Spec V, but you put in a turbo kit, and that'll run you about $3000 (depends what stage you want to go) for the kit and another $1000 for labor (unless you can get a discount off that). The issue with aftermarket mods is that you must get them tweaked quite often. You're just plain better off getting the WRX. If you planned on upgrading the WRX's turbo, you just need to buy the turbo itself, rather than a whole kit, which makes installation a lot easier too.

heres what i think. stock wrx's run 14.3 and wrx wagons run 14.5-14.8.. i'm running 14.5 with just an intake,header and balanceshaft kit. thats a max cost of 700 bucks with tax and shipping. so it won't take many mods or a lot of cash to get there. the wrx is only quicker because of the better 60ft times due to the awd launches. on the highway i think my spec v could give a stock wrx a run for the money. a wagon will get beat. last time i went to the track there was new forester with the wrx engine in it running 14.7, which could be comparable to a wrx wagon.

really depends on the driver
(oh yeah and mods)
all 4wd cars tend to lose some top end because of the extra drivetrain losses but really it isnt that much

but my friend's 1992 h23 prelude (155hp 140ftlb stock) with just intake and exhaust could keep up with wrxs or gs-xs, especially on the twisty parts (he is a hell of a driver though).

highway racing is fun but is really not an accurate guage of how fast a car is(traffic, inaccurate starts, driving style and skill, ect. so many variables)

yea thats true there are a lot of variables.. my buddy thinks his gsr is faster than me. from a roll, before i installed my cams and pulley, we were pretty even on the high way. which makes sence cause his car has mostly top end power. i keep telling him that in the 1/4 i will be faster. we raced from a stop one time on the express way and i just murdered him.. he gave the typical oh i had real bad wheel hopp shpeel, but it's clear as day. i have 180ftlbs of torque stock. him almost fully bolted and tuned maybe has 125 on 195 series tires. just isn't gonna get you out of the whole fast.

oh yeah and keep in mind that my friend's wrx with CAI and cat back has beaten rx7s evoVIIIs and s2000s by the boatloads
supras and stis wont race him because they saw him before

wrxs are probably the most tunable car that is currently sold on the us market right now. (besides possibly the evo, but the evo is twice as expensive)

i think a spec v modded will beat a sti , i run a sti from a red light ,1st and 2nd dead even then in 3rd he pull 2cars and at 135mph he got me by 2 cars 1/2 ,i have a 04 spec v with intake

i think a spec v modded will beat a sti , i run a sti from a red light ,1st and 2nd dead even then in 3rd he pull 2cars and at 135mph he got me by 2 cars 1/2 ,i have a 04 spec v with intake


I see... :wink:

I believe the story I have talked to a few people on those forums and those are pretty die hard guys. He probably had alotta work done. But yeah sentra's have alot of mid range torque which makes them perfect for racing. The WRX isn't the most modified car though I'd say the SRT4 is now

OK, first, he's talking about an Sti. I don't know if you're aware of this, but Sti's have THREE-HUNDRED horses. A Spec with an intake cannot match that kind of acceleration at any point in a race.

Second, although it's known that the AWD platform reduces high-speed acceleration somewhat due to extra rotational mass, the story would've been more believable if the Spec took the Sti from a roll or caught up to it later. An Sti will always have the launch on a Spec and would pull away easily having nearly double the power and only a 15-20% increase in weight.

i know the STI is 300hp , but not to the weels , same history with the 01 or 02 spider gts , 210hp and 215 torq . never puts thoses # to the road because at the weels is not even 140. I goin to post a true story wish included my best friend with his 01 spider gts, he has i/h/e , msd,cables,and everytime we race i have him until 4th , then he end up with 2 cars on me, then hi get the racing computer and when we when racing , he toll me (diego lets racing , i want a see something and i say w,t,f he already knows that i got him until 3rd so i say ok (i knew he got some new) so we start racing and he was even with me until 2nd , 3rd he start to pull and finality got me by 3 cars 1/2 but isn't too much for me been stock. well thats the story of to much hp and been slow

lol the sti will crush any spec from a stop, but the regular wrx will get crushed from a roll, my friend and i rolled on from 45 and i walked him 3 times in a row like nothing, the sti though i dont want any peice of......hehehehe

it all depends on the driver I've seen an SRT4 on the track with nitrous run 14's it was pretty ridiculous so I guess anythings possible

haha that guy got owned by his own riceness

srt4 run 14's with nitrous? kinda slow dont you think?

i've seen the srt4 run a 13.2 on the track stock. I almost bought one... I love those cars but they are way to American made for me.

Here is a little bit of information about each car:

2002 Subaru WRX ...
Curb Weight: ~3100 lbs
Engine: 2.0L High Output Turbocharged DOHC
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 5.1 sec
Top Speed: ~150mph
Base MSRP: ~$25k

2002 Nissan SE-R Spec V ...
Curb Weight: ~2710 lbs
Engine: 2.5L V4 engine
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 7.4 sec
Top Speed: ~130mph
Base MSRP: ~$18k

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the WRX....0-60 in 5.1, that's for sti right? thought non sti need longer than that,

and.....the Sentra engine, 2.5L V4??? u mean 2.5L, 16V?

is that possible, to run 14's in a srt-4 with nitrous?????? it might have been a rebadged one or the driver was retarded....

maybe it was a neon......

all you need is a body kit, the rims, and the badge, it turns into a 'srt-4' but no turbo....

Well the fact is you line up a HO/turboed car with AWD ,to a N/A car with alittle more than half the HP. this is not a match or a race.It's a beating. so to compair these cars side by side is spec V wet dreams. not going to happen.

I agree. That's pretty much the bottom line no matter what statistics you bring in. The big difference i see? WRX starts around 30k. Spec V starts in upper teens. When it's a 10k difference the answer is: you pay more you get more. Spec is a great car but no wrx. That's like trying to compare the srt4 to a viper.

the sti has double horsepower, the wrx isnt all that, ive taken them down before, but the sti is a freakin monster, dont even try

Here is a little bit of information about each car:

2002 Subaru WRX ...
Curb Weight: ~3100 lbs
Engine: 2.0L High Output Turbocharged DOHC
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 5.1 sec
Top Speed: ~150mph
Base MSRP: ~$25k

2002 Nissan SE-R Spec V ...
Curb Weight: ~2710 lbs
Engine: 2.5L V4 engine
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 7.4 sec
Top Speed: ~130mph
Base MSRP: ~$18k



Here's my final verdict:

It would take quite a few mods for a Spec V to keep up with a WRX. If you were both already driving, you'd be able to keep up with it until the max speed is exceeded. From a start, though, you'd be blown out of the water. If the WRX driver is experienced, he'd get his car up to 3500 RPM (point at which the turbo kicks in) immediately and let you eat his dust. There are only two statistics in which the Spec V beats the WRX: price and curb weight. With curb weight, there is only a 400 lbs difference (give or take), and the extra 52hp and 27lbs of torque more than make up for that. Now that leaves us with the price. Yes, you save about $7k by purchasing a Spec V, but you put in a turbo kit, and that'll run you about $3000 (depends what stage you want to go) for the kit and another $1000 for labor (unless you can get a discount off that). The issue with aftermarket mods is that you must get them tweaked quite often. You're just plain better off getting the WRX. If you planned on upgrading the WRX's turbo, you just need to buy the turbo itself, rather than a whole kit, which makes installation a lot easier too.

Top speed on a spec v is about 140mph or so stock and it's rev-limited at about 163mph...so even with mods you will never eclipse that without some sort of gearing changes.

The WRX, though I've never actually driven one, maxes out around 140 also.

The spec v's engine is not a V4, but rather an I4. The only V4 engines I know about were made by honda and used on motorcycles.

0-60mph times are a very bad indication of actual acceleration since they have no scope as to why the car is pulling those numbers. A 1/4mile comparison would be much better as a basis for comparison. And although most magazines say that a stock spec v runs a 15.7, I ran a 15.6 on my second attempt at the 1320 in any car...and with info from other b15 owners I'd definitely put the stock performance at about 14.9-15.2@88-90mph. The WRX in stock form pulls mid 14s with a decent driver...although slightly faster than the spec v...you can attribute that mostly to the awd traction in the first 60ft as many have already explained.

Well the fact is you line up a HO/turboed car with AWD ,to a N/A car with alittle more than half the HP. this is not a match or a race.It's a beating. so to compair these cars side by side is spec V wet dreams. not going to happen.

lol...it's not quite that big of a difference when you look at a dyno of each car. Take a minute and consider the differences in the engine alone, one is a 2.0L turbo and the other is n/a that is essentially stroked from the factory. Then consider that the spec v has 6 speeds while the wrx has 5. Also consider that the spec v has less weight AND less driveline loss. In the end you come up with two cars that are very different and have very different strengths.

From a roll, especially at near highway speeds (40-60+) the spec v will kill the wrx. From a stop without a clutch dump the spec v and wrx will be about even most of the way with the wrx winning at the end. With the proper and abusive 5000+rpm clutch dump on the wrx you will kill a spec v and eventually damage your drivetrain.

too bad there isn't a video game that has the spec V in it...otherwise id try it even tho they are mostly not that accurate. id have to say a sti vs. spec v is a beating.

i just want to make everyone aware of the fact that the wrx and the sti are two different cars, and with that statement i back up the statement klohiq made when he said the spec would beat the wrx from a roll at highway speeds, assuming that roll was from about 45, teh spec sucks high end.....lol

and need for speed underground 2 has a spec v in it, they all are the same speed though, a focus can beat a 350z in that game, so i dont know about accurate

a wrx is way faster then a spec v stock for stock. even a moded specv will have a hard time keeping up. thats just the way it is. i owned a 04 spec v with brembo's. i had, intake,cams,pulley,header,balance shaft removal and a couple other things and my best time was a 14.5. thats not even what a stock wrx runs. stock wrx are at least good for 14.2.

i was talkin about like somewhat physics based game. i dont think forza has an update or gt4 would help

were talking from a roll dave.....4wd kinda makes it hard to win in a drag, although it has been done

i think if anything awd would kil a front wheel drive car. they have twice as much traction. i mean even from a roll the wrx is still faster in every way.

how so it makes as much power as an rsx type s but it loses a shitload more of it due to the drivetrain loss, and type s' barely pull us anyways, add a lot more weight and a lot more drivetrain loss and youve got yourself a wrx kill from a roll, it would stand a better chance at a drag where its 4wd would benefit it, not hurt it

the loss is in the DRIVETRAIN. we aren't talking right from the engine horsepower or from a launch. this is a roll were the real car's power shows, not your slicks you just got can help you here.

its more about the driver than anything but the wrx is one of the easiest cars to tune that exists right now. my buddies 02 wrx with cai and cat back beat an evo with cai, uppipe, downpipe, catback. the evo shifted decent too and didnt miss anything. didnt bog too bad either but not sure about how a evos supposed to run tho. his wrx beat tuned rx7s, s2000s also, but ironicalloy, his only loss was to a crx. ahah

well heres the thing, a wrx puts down way more at the wheels then a stock or even fully moded spec v. yes it ways more but it also has way more power at the wheels. last time i checked a wrx has 227 at the crank. a spec v only has 175 and about 140-145 stock at the wheels. i used to be big into spec v's and i know that a fully bolted spec v will make around 175whp. my fully bolted spec v ran 14.5 which was very good when most other are running high 14's. a stock wrx at least puts down 180-190 whp. that more then makes up for the weight. i stick by my opinion that a wrx will kill a stock spec v from any point, and a wrx will morethan likley still beat a moded spec v. perhaps not by much but it will. and thats if you have two robots driving the cars without error. a stock wrx runs 14.2 a stock spec v runs 15.2 thats a second difference.

front wheel drive cars lose the least amount of power in the drivetrain, four wheel drive cars lose the most, you dont think the difference in percentage of drivetrain loss is big enough to negate a 20whp difference? say we lose 15% and they lose 30% we end up losing about 20hp or so, but they would lose about 70.....that puts us about even as far as wheel horsepower, then add in the extra weight of the drivetrain on the wrx and youve got an inferior power to weight ratio, yeah it runs faster in the quarter because of 4wd, but it WILL get burned from a roll, too much loss and too much weight, yes it runs faster in the quarter, but thats not the issue here, i have personally beaten one from a roll when i was stock, lets focus on one kind of race for now, 4wd makes drag races unfair anyways.....

the wrx is only quicker because of the better 60ft times due to the awd launches. on the highway i think my spec v could give a stock wrx a run for the money. a wagon will get beat.





and you agreed earlier about the highway run, so why are we arguing?

sentra spec V:
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM

STI:
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
"From a roll, especially at near highway speeds (40-60+) the spec v will kill the wrx."
think about this..
Time and tima again if your at a roll or a stop the AWD will win in this case. due to the fact of the STI has 52 more HP and 37 more lbs of TQ. if you do the math...more traction and accel. It will still be the same principle even at speed. traction will overcome and HP will gain the win.

sentra spec V:
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM

STI:
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM

think about this..
Time and tima again if your at a roll or a stop the AWD will win in this case. due to the fact of the STI has 52 more HP and 37 more lbs of TQ. if you do the math...more traction and accel. It will still be the same principle even at speed. traction will overcome and HP will gain the win.

it's wrx not sti....and,
u forgot about the weight.
average.....for every 10 lbs u loose 1 HP....

it's wrx not sti....and,
u forgot about the weight.
average.....for every 10 lbs u loose 1 HP....
okey , Im sorry WRX. still if your math is on par you still lose. because the WRX still out classes the Sentra by 13 ponys. in HP VS wt. compairing the wts of the cars I got the diffrence this way. it will still gain the advantage. no to forget the turbo aspect as well.

Now if you do the same as well to the spec v.
you would be in the neg. with your formula..2710 div.this by ten right.
so you are saying you will lose more or less 271 HP due to the wt. of the car. now the car only has 175 ponys to start with??? :eek7: somthing is :screwy: 271-175= -96 ????? is this rith or am I missing something???

thats weight on the crank that loses power, but your power to weight ratio will still suck if you have more weight, you just wont lose power, and again the fact that the wrx is 4wd hurts it from a roll, do we not understand thins? extra rotational mass means more drivetrain loss, PLUS it is heavier, thats two strikes against 4wd from a roll, and when have you broken your tires loose from a 45 roll? if you ever have then you shouldnt be wondering if youll beat a stock wrx, youd be up there with cobra mustangs and stuff, traction is not an issue from a roll, unless youre in a 1000whp front drive car or something, please re read my post before this, im sick of arguing with a brick wall, spec wins from a roll, done

thats weight on the crank that loses power, but your power to weight ratio will still suck if you have more weight, you just wont lose power, and again the fact that the wrx is 4wd hurts it from a roll, do we not understand thins? extra rotational mass means more drivetrain loss, PLUS it is heavier, thats two strikes against 4wd from a roll, and when have you broken your tires loose from a 45 roll? if you ever have then you shouldnt be wondering if youll beat a stock wrx, youd be up there with cobra mustangs and stuff, traction is not an issue from a roll, unless youre in a 1000whp front drive car or something, please re read my post before this, im sick of arguing with a brick wall, spec wins from a roll, done

Sorry, I was just trying to state facts.. if I don't have my facts in order please fill me in . I have had had both types of cars. so to me I see both sides of the fence. yes this is a dead subject.. Drama. :iceslolan

fact that 4wd loses more power through drivetrain loss, around 30%, fact that traction doesnt matter from a rolling start, fact that the wrx weighs more than the spec, fact that the wrx is quicker in the quarter only due to its 4wd launch advantage, if i pull a 2.2 60' time, and he gets a 1.7, theres your half second advantage in quarter times, if you plug power and weight into an equation, say the wrx pushes 230 at the crank, and loses 30% thorugh the drivetrain, it loses 69 horsepower to the wheels, effectively making its horsepower 161 at the tires, then the spec makes 175 at the crank, it loses around 15%, which is 26.25 hp loss, that puts the spec at 148 to the wheels, a 13hp difference, in theory the wrx should win due to more power, but how much more does the wrx weigh? 400lbs more, so if you make an equation of power to weight you get the spec at 18.24 pounds per horsepower, and the wrx at 19.25 pounds per horsepower, the spec's power to weight ratio is a full pound better than the wrx, although it will not murder the wrx, the spec will still pull it, there are your facts, now who wants to argue?

you are right but power to weight ratio doesnt matter as much as you think. i dont have exact numbers but im speaking from life experiences. all that aside, i dont know why people even start "car A vs car B in the 1/4" debates. there are so many variables that it doesnt even matter about what road and track says.
just consider hp, tq, drivetrain, and weight for starters, and form your own opinions.
i fuck with crotch rockets on the freeway because they are scared to take the curves over 100 so my old auto sentra could beat them.

fact that 4wd loses more power through drivetrain loss, around 30%, fact that traction doesnt matter from a rolling start, fact that the wrx weighs more than the spec, fact that the wrx is quicker in the quarter only due to its 4wd launch advantage, if i pull a 2.2 60' time, and he gets a 1.7, theres your half second advantage in quarter times, if you plug power and weight into an equation, say the wrx pushes 230 at the crank, and loses 30% thorugh the drivetrain, it loses 69 horsepower to the wheels, effectively making its horsepower 161 at the tires, then the spec makes 175 at the crank, it loses around 15%, which is 26.25 hp loss, that puts the spec at 148 to the wheels, a 13hp difference, in theory the wrx should win due to more power, but how much more does the wrx weigh? 400lbs more, so if you make an equation of power to weight you get the spec at 18.24 pounds per horsepower, and the wrx at 19.25 pounds per horsepower, the spec's power to weight ratio is a full pound better than the wrx, although it will not murder the wrx, the spec will still pull it, there are your facts, now who wants to argue?
wow turbo...:D it's all good. I'm not arguing with you .I think you and I are saying about the same thing. this VS game will heat up about any body that posts on it. this thread shoud be closed.

*thread closed* lol

i dunno man i'm still not convinced a spec v will take a wrx. i mean we need solid stats here. are we talking about a fully moded spec against a stock wrx? or are we talking a moded wrx and a moded spec. either way the more i think of this i realize how retarded this debate is. theres so many variables. either one of these cars could beet the other it just depends whats been done to them. now if its stock for stock i'm still going with the wrx. my spec v stock ran 15.1, and thats one of the faster stock specs out there. even with the whole AWD drivetrain loss debate in effect, with half a second slower from 14.2 thats still high 14's with out the awd advantage. the sentra still has to make up at least 3 tenths of a second in acceleration to match the wrx. I dunno i guess no one really hasd any proof or video evedence so i guess its all opinion so why argue no ones gonna change what they think. i think we need some high way race vids posted to really get this debate going cause right now this is just retarded.

just killed one last night, my intake header pulley vs his exhaust and intake, pulled him from 45, not by much but when we got to 80 he was a half car behind

I 'll see if I can get a hold of a friend in miami. he might have what we are looking for.:D

you probably raced an impreza. base 170hp version of the wrx. i mean i don't wanna rain on any ones parade but a wrx will kill a slightly moded spec v. i know for a fact because i had a fully moded specv and it ran a best of 14.5 on stock tires. a wrx will run 14.2 all day. so even if the wrx has the advantage of awd, from a roll your not gonna murder a wrx. only way thats gonna happen is two things: it was an impreza, or the guy wasn't racing. end of story. i been around a long time to know this. i been to the track everyother weekend for the past two yrs and i cruise around and race a lot.

i'd like to also add that when everyone reads the mags and sees the quarter times for the wrx they should realize that the test driver isn't launching that awd to its full capacity. they are conservative. so really the wrx in the quarter that everyone reads about isn't benefiting much from its awd. you could freaking launch that thing at 5k and it would just go. Plus i read up top you had intake,header,and pulley, that will get you, at best, a 14.6 or 14.7. you still have to make up almost half a second to even line up and honk three times to a wrx. This arguement is stupid its as clear as day guys. i know cause i used to be a die hard spec v guy and i've owned one. i like the car but facts are facts. i've seen street races and track times i know what i'm talking about.

i wasnt racing him on the track, posting quarter times doesnt mean anything, it was a wrx for sure, talked to the guy after the race, wrx isnt that fast stock, everytime you post quarter times just remember, theres the awd launch difference, i raced him on the street from a roll, whatever time you post is irrelevant

Yeah, it's really all about the launch. I Spec in the 14's can pull on a stock WRX from a roll. It's really simple. The only variable would be altitude. In a high city like Denver(haha very high now), the turbo has a power advantage in addition to the AWD launch. At sea level, a Spec-V should put up a good fight form a roll.

^^^^^
thank you sir......yeah ill get creamed from a dig, but the original question was from a roll and the wrx gets beat, you add any mods to it and it will walk the spec, but stock it gets beat, sorry to rain on teh parade

everyone has their experiences. mine is that my buddy's wrx with CAI and cat back beat an evo(intake, up pipe, downpipe, exhaust) and an s2000 and a FD rx7.
i didnt personally witness the honda or 7 but i saw the evo race and he raced him 3 times and beat him all 3 by like a car and a half. no way a spec could do that.
oh and i seen him race various 2wd cars (RSX-S, eclipse v6, and others) and he pulls them hard as hell even after launch.

in my experience given equal mods, any mods, a wrx will beat a spec. even on a roll
(of course i mean equal drivers too...)

yea theres no way a spec v can beat a wrx. i've seen slightly moded wrx's running 13's. No one launches those cars hard cause they don't wanna break shit. trust me a wrx pulls harder then a specv. check out the V-board. i have been a member on there for over a yr. it takes a lot to get a specv into the 13's. like full bolt ons an a shot of nitrous. i'm not calling anyone a liar i'm just saying a wrx if faster by far so there must be something we don't know.

But barely anybody who owns a WRX and races leaves it stock. It's so EASY to just raise the boost and go. It's very rare that Spec will even have the chance to race a WRX on stock boost.

good point. i feel like this is myth busters. this myth is " BUSTED"... only logical explanation is either that indeed was not a wrx, you can easily change the badges and someone that doesn't know what to look for could not recognize the turbo motor, or perhaps you have more mods then you care to share. and i'll say it again best time anyone is gonna see from a FULLY bolted spec v is perhaps 14.3-14.4 on good aftermarket tires. i know this because the V-board has quarter miles posts on top of my experience and what i have seen at the track. heres some numbers to think about:


WRX(stock)
Average 60ft: 2.0
0-60: 5.5
1/4: 14.1-14.3 AVG.

Specv(stock)
Average 60ft: (My best, 2.1)- 2.3
0-60:6.9-7.5 sec
1/4: 15.1-15.5 sec


Stock for stock the wrx is almost a full second faster. like i said MYTH BUSTED!!!! :nono:

why are we posting quarter times again? :repost: in another forum this thread would be closed due to lack of progress, if were still stuck on the quarter mile debate then might as well lock this fucker down, yeah it wins in the quarter, big deal, the fact is they put out around equal wheel horsepower and the wrx is heavier, the only thing i dont know for a fact is the gearing on each car, someone post the gear ratios please, so we can end this, i pulled one form a 45 roll where a spec is at its strongest, yes it was a wrx, not the impreza, idk what boost he was running and i dont think he would have been honest anyways, but he was saving for an sti engine build, after that conversion i dont want any of him, unless someone wants to post up the gear ratios for each car i dont thin ktehres any other fatcs we can bring up to prove one way or the other

why are we posting quarter times again? :repost: in another forum this thread would be closed due to lack of progress, if were still stuck on the quarter mile debate then might as well lock this fucker down, yeah it wins in the quarter, big deal, the fact is they put out around equal wheel horsepower and the wrx is heavier, the only thing i dont know for a fact is the gearing on each car, someone post the gear ratios please, so we can end this, i pulled one form a 45 roll where a spec is at its strongest, yes it was a wrx, not the impreza, idk what boost he was running and i dont think he would have been honest anyways, but he was saving for an sti engine build, after that conversion i dont want any of him, unless someone wants to post up the gear ratios for each car i dont thin ktehres any other fatcs we can bring up to prove one way or the other
here you go boyo.... (http://members.tripod.com/wrx_act/tech/wrx_faq.htm) this should help.

well, as far as i'm conserned your full of crap. cause you didn't beat a WRX. i was trying to be kind and state some facts to help you realize your mistake, but it all comes down to a wrx will kill a spec v. they have no where near the same wheel horsepower. and a race from a roll is just another form of drag racing only without the launch, where a spec v basically sucks at. A stock wrx will make over 170 WHP. a stock Specv will make 145whp MAX! the wrx you raced that was moded was probably making over 200 at the wheels. you are making maybe 155-160 if your lucky. its bull crap there is no way you beat him. if you don't mind lying to yourself and living in a dream world thinking you beat an actual wrx then so be it, but no one wants to here your bullcrap story. Conclusion, NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!

ohhhh i see, i forgot that i dont really know anything about cars, my bad dude

well you obviously don't know the car you drive and ones you race.

um dave...chill out geez. we aren't MAGAZINE racing. its called from a ROLL. and go realease your stress somewhere else like in the stress posting area in the forums or something. you driving me crazy just sayin that you're right by using CAPS!!! sheesh...just take into it that maybe the driver was part of it. honestly i dont care and as long as you stop bashing on saying a spec v can't beat a wrx on anything, its not true. anycar can beat anything if the driver isn't as well as to control the car to its full potentional....go back into the domestic forums with your firebird where you can argue and everyone will agree with you......

well, as far as i'm conserned your full of crap. cause you didn't beat a WRX. i was trying to be kind and state some facts to help you realize your mistake, but it all comes down to a wrx will kill a spec v. they have no where near the same wheel horsepower. and a race from a roll is just another form of drag racing only without the launch, where a spec v basically sucks at. A stock wrx will make over 170 WHP. a stock Specv will make 145whp MAX! the wrx you raced that was moded was probably making over 200 at the wheels. you are making maybe 155-160 if your lucky. its bull crap there is no way you beat him. if you don't mind lying to yourself and living in a dream world thinking you beat an actual wrx then so be it, but no one wants to here your bullcrap story. Conclusion, NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!

.......u r only comparing the hp,
how about un....
weight?
tran ratio?
torque?
turbo lag?

ok, maybe wrx wins, but won't be "very much"

well im done arguing about it because i dont have to prove anything to a magazine racer about what i do with my car, then again its typical of car forums for this to happen, no matter who you are there is someone out there who knows that you're wrong :thefinger:

now i'm a magazine racer? excuses excuses. i know from fact real life experiences. i'm not bashing any one car i'm just stateing facts. i used to own a spec v and i raced it a lot so i know a lot about this topic. i had twice as many mods, twice as much power, and twice as much experience on the track and on the street. i know what i'm saying. the wrx weighs roughly 3100 pounds thats only 200 more pounds then the sentra. the wrx more then makes up for that weight and then some. stock for stock the wrx puts out 30 whp more then the specv. and thats at the wheels so drivetrain loss has already been calculatted in the equation. The turbo is very small and spools fast so turbo lag isn't even an issue. and as i recall supposedly this wrx had an intake and something else. if any thing the intake would help it spool even faster so there is no lag here. and going on the mods you said you had your car is barley putting out more power then stock. your lucky to be putting out 155-160 whp. that wrx with those mods is probably putting down 190whp at least. theres no way that you coulda straight up beat that wrx. now if he wasn't racing or just toying with you, not full throttle, i can see that. a lot of ppl make that mistake and come back and post, " oh my moms taurus beat a z06". probably cause the guy wasn't even racing lol. my advice is go race him again, make sure he is racing and get it on tape. thats what i have learned when i have posted stories or kills. the only way ppl are gonna believe you is if there is lagit proof. But from my stand point and what i know i don't believe it.

well i know for a fact that he was racing because i jumped on him one time and ripped him by like three cars, i was like, that wasnt right, so i slow back down, and beep the horn three times and then we went, a taurus wont beat a z06, i know that, i still pulled him by not even a car by about 80 then he started pulling top end, im not trying to say i beat him by miles or anything, but i pulled him nonetheless, so it IS possible, saying that it isnt is very ignorant, and the only reason i keep going wiht this is im sick of people online assuming that everyone else is stupid and they are the only ones that know ANYTHING...... when i first joined i had nothing but respect for the people on here and valued their opinions, even if i didnt agree, fugiot, when is the last time i told you that youre an idiot and you dont know anyhting about your car, because i know better? the last time ive done that to someone was about oh..... never, have some respect for people, it only makes you look like a douche

and the wrx weighs 400 pounds more, please re-read my original calcs about power to weight in each car, im not posting it again

forget it...imma just let this thread die....it not worth arguing it over the internet....sheesh...let it die in peace....

that thing you posted was like every japanese version of a wrx starting from 1994. it really had nothing to do with the american version. i did a search online and the number i found was roughly 3100 lbs. a specv weighs in anywhere from 2800 - 2900 lbs. And did you think i was serious when i said a taurus can beat a zo6? its called sarcasm. obviously a car with 380hp that weights 3000 lbs is gonna beat a shitty family car that makes 180hp and weighs twice as much. Anyhow have you had your car dyno'd or even been to the track with it? If you did you would know your story is far feched.

Check this out:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/3079/148400MVC-014F1-med.JPG
14.59 in my fully bolted spec v. and thats a fairly quick time for the mods i had. i had, JWT cams, AEM cold air intake, UR pulley, Balance shaft removal kit, hotshot header,and motor mounts. a freakin automatic wrx with rosan bar driving it would run faster than 14.5. and the funny thing is your no where near that quick. at best your running 14.8. your cars slow right now man theres no way your car can beat a wrx from a roll. and whats up with this roll shit. be a man and race from a stop. only posers race from a roll cause they have no skills and don't know how to launch a FWD car. your not making enough power to spin like crazy off the line if you slip it so be a man and learn how to drag race like a big boy. heres a pic of the beaut:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/3079/148400MVC-018S1-med.JPG

i am well aware of the differences in roll racing vs from a dig, and in my opinion a fwd car will get roasted by a rwd or awd car with just half the power in at least 1st gear, prolly more like 2nd before the fwd car catches up, its even worse the more power you make, if you are familiar with the spec you should know its hard as hell to launch even with just an intake, if you havent gotten it by now ill let you know again, i am well aware of the fact that the wrx, hell even the base model impreza probably runs faster in the quarter than even a fully bolted spec, but im not arguing about this race from a roll anymore, do you know just how important the launch in a race is? its probably about 30% of a race bewteen unevenly modded cars, but more like 90% of the difference in equal cars, the wrx and spec put down numbers that are similar enough to put them in that category where the launch makes about 90% of the difference in the race, and since the wrx has all wheel drive it will kill the spec everytime from a stop, no questioning that, but those cars are also so close together that from a roll its pretty interesting, take the launch out of the equation, which you refuse to do, and youve got a pretty even race, depednign on who reacts first it can go either way, i was fortunate enough to react first vs the wrx and i beat him, im sure if he had reacted a little faster he might have pulled me, or we may have stayed even, and by this i dont mean i hit the gas and then he decided to race 10 seconds later, so dont even post that, we set it up ahead of time, becasue this thread had already been started and i wanted to see. idk what your beef is but why not be a little more open minded

heres what i think. stock wrx's run 14.3 and wrx wagons run 14.5-14.8.. i'm running 14.5 with just an intake,header and balanceshaft kit. thats a max cost of 700 bucks with tax and shipping. so it won't take many mods or a lot of cash to get there. the wrx is only quicker because of the better 60ft times due to the awd launches. on the highway i think my spec v could give a stock wrx a run for the money. a wagon will get beat. last time i went to the track there was new forester with the wrx engine in it running 14.7, which could be comparable to a wrx wagon.



and what happened to this statement right here? you switch sides more than colin powell

look (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/chip_berry/92b975dd.jpg)

here are the specs for the WRX do note this is for a 06 .
note the AWD part of the WRX .

yea i still stand by what i said. MY specv ran 14.5, yours doesn't, and i was referring to a stock wrx not a moded one. lastley i said i'd give it a run for the money. you said you beat that one dude pretty badly. so where did i contradict myself? The wrx can greatly benefit from an awd launch, but fact is many ppl won't launch them hard.

I tryed reading that link but the text is like tiny.

just killed one last night, my intake header pulley vs his exhaust and intake, pulled him from 45, not by much but when we got to 80 he was a half car behind



how badly is one half car, and it really wasnt that, more like he was a little past my rear bumper

on specplace.com there is a review of a spec vs a wrx 5 speed, you can look it up if you want, the spec loses horribly in a straight drag, the wrx gets it from the launch and pulls the whole way, but from a street start at 30mph going to 50 the spec pulls the wrx by a tenth of a second, 2.31 to the wrx's 2.42........ maybe im not the only crazy one thinking the spec can pull it from a roll, and i ran him from 45 which means my gearing would have been slightly more wound up than it would have at 30 so i pull harder anyways

can you get a link to that article i looked all over that site and i couldn't find it. anyhow that site kinda under rates the spec. they say it does the 1/4 in 15.5. which i guess it depends on the driver, but i ran 15.1 in mine bone stock.

Info
2002 Spec V
2003 Spec V
2004+ 2005 Spec V

0-60
7.5
7.5
7.5

1/4 Mile
15.55 @ 88.9
15.55 @ 88.9
15.55 @ 88.9

Lateral-g
.88
.88
.89

Slalom Speed*
68.5 MPH
68.5 MPH
71.0 MPH

60-0 Stopping
140 ft
134 ft
134 ft

these are some stats i found on that site.

http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?ID1=115&ID2=3 its under quick comparison on the left, then theres a scroll bar up top to pick out basicly any car and compare their times

thats a pretty good comparison. i guess in there test from 30-50 the spec is slightly faster i think thats just do to akward gearing. the spec does have really short gearing. but the thing is who races from 30-50. i mean from 30-50 that just might fall in the pefect gearing for the spec. a more interesting result i saw was 5-60, which is indeed a real go from a roll. rolling at 5 mph totally takes the awd benefit out of the equation which is what you guys feel is what makes the wrx faster. in that test the wrx from a roll reached 60 faster:

Street Start, 5-60 mph 7.10 s(spec) 6.28 s (WRX)

so you see from a roll in this test the wrx is still faster.

ive spun tires from a 10mph roll before, i seriously boubt the wrx does......point being that when the launch is removed, the spec stands a chance, and even though it pulls the wrx it does get reeled in high end, although barely, i just think its very close-minded to say that a car cannot do something without solid proof, also in that same test the wrx really didnt gain much time over the spec as distance increased, which tells you it doesnt pull much, so if you can jump out to a half a car or so, it will be there for a while

well in that 5-60 comparison they simply are in first gear rolling at 5mph and then they just wack the gas. in that situation your car won't spin the tires unless you rev it and dump it which defeats the test. i also studied the 0-120mph times and the wrx does slowly pull away. the higher the speeds the more it pulls away. i mean shoot it takes the spec almost 10 seconds longer to reach 110mph. by that time the wrx will be refueling at the gas station lol.. lets stick to what you said you raced from. which was 45-80 as a i recal you stated. in this test between the two stock cars it takes the spec 6.67 seconds to go from 50-80 and it takes the wrx 6.07 seconds to do the same. thats a fairly decent walk dude. i just don't find it believable that the race you talked about coulda took place. especially with the wrx being moded. mod for mod the wrx will make bigger gains do to the fact that its a forced induction car. don't mean to shit on your parade but that dude can't drive or something and if it were anyone else you woulda got served pretty good. I mean this victory of yours over your buddy was no more a win then a ricer drive by lol

so youve never spun your tires from 5mph before? we'll leave it at that

so youve never spun your tires from 5mph before? we'll leave it at that
not in my sentra. at 5mph your only pulling like 1500rpm's if you wack the gas at that point i bet the qr25 is making like 100whp at 1500rpm. theres no way you can break the tires loose. i remember my spec v pretty well if you wacked the gas lets say going 25mph it would sqeel them. that was only when i was fully moded.

i broke them loose doing 15mph today just to make sure, i had to bag the tires down to 20psi before they wouldnt squeel anymore

nice. thats just wacking the gas with the clutch out right? you spun pretty badly or kinda lunged forward at the same time? i mean theres no argueing the wrx has an advantage cause its awd, but i don't think it has much advantage from a roll. what i'm trying to get at is that the wrx still pulls away.

thats a pretty good comparison. i guess in there test from 30-50 the spec is slightly faster i think thats just do to akward gearing. the spec does have really short gearing. but the thing is who races from 30-50. i mean from 30-50 that just might fall in the pefect gearing for the spec. a more interesting result i saw was 5-60, which is indeed a real go from a roll. rolling at 5 mph totally takes the awd benefit out of the equation which is what you guys feel is what makes the wrx faster. in that test the wrx from a roll reached 60 faster:

Street Start, 5-60 mph 7.10 s(spec) 6.28 s (WRX)

so you see from a roll in this test the wrx is still faster.

most ppl race from 30 or 40 to whatever on the highway,
I haven't seen anyone start rolling with just 5mph.

anyway, at least we all no from 30-50 specv stands a chance vs wrx

yea i suppose from 30-50. thats like not even a whole gear lol i think its clear the wrx is faster.

yeah no revving or anything, just whacked the gas, it doesnt light them on fire or anything but i did get a 2-3 second squeel out of them, not just a chirp or anything

I agree.. It's impossible not to light up the tired from a 5-10 mph roll in the spec if you mash it. However, we have to realize this guys. The spec? It's an awesome car. We all like them and we all respect them. HOWEVER: The bottom line is that the WRX wins with it's AWD because it is a BETTER CAR. It's like trying to compare a mustang to a corvette. Just let the WRX have this one.

teh spec pwns teh mustang AND corvette......lol

i had the JWT cams in my spec so i had just a little less torque down low, but man it sure made up for it.

the vq35 swapped sentra went 12.9 in the quarter, just thought id let you guys know, that swap is next up on my list in about a month or so

holy shit this thread is still open?

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/2932484750502_w560h420.jpg

thats gonna cost you a ton of money. whats the Vq35 the altima and maxima engine? i know there is a race car that is a sentra with a maxima drivetrain and its all built up. the freakin thing blows tranny's all the time. you know you should just get a turbo kit and run low boost. a ton of guys are doing it.

thats gonna cost you a ton of money. whats the Vq35 the altima and maxima engine? i know there is a race car that is a sentra with a maxima drivetrain and its all built up. the freakin thing blows tranny's all the time. you know you should just get a turbo kit and run low boost. a ton of guys are doing it.
I agree.. the spec badass and potent when done right....look here (http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/november05/feature/)
http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/november05/feature/images/16_tn.jpg
http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/november05/feature/images/antone_timeslip.jpg

enjoy...

the stock maxima engine is 200 million times more reliable than a turbo qr25 is, it also is faster, believe it or not, it makes a wider powerband and travis beat the old b15 quarter record by 4 tenths of a second, the old record was held by a qr25 sentra with a full stage 3 turbo kit by PTI.......the vq35 swap barks 4th gear hard:naughty: there is a video on b15sentra.net that you can download of the sentra's passes, there is no video of the 12.9 second run though......this swap is priced at 4500 dollars and is about the same as the PTI stage 3 kit if not less, there is no reason not to get this over a turbo, plus imagine if the vq was modded.........:bananasmi

the guy above was running 13 flat with 275whp. at 9.5psi he made 300whp thats faster then a 12.9. think about it a stock 3.5 makes like 220whp stock. and how are you gonna do bolt ons. you'd have to have custom exhaust, cause ther isn't a company out there that makes hybrid parts. custom intake. just a whole bunch of custom stuff and even when that 3.5 is fully bolted you'll be making less then the guy above on low boost. not only that you will have spent way more cash. i'm guessing a 3.5 engine costs a lot of cash. then you need to heavily mod it. I'm a fan of nicley put together turbo kits. if you know what your doing it will be the best option.

custom parts are not an issue, all you have to do is get aftermarket parts for a maxima engine, which are plentiful, along with some 350z cams, hell you could swap 350z internals basicly, throw in a 150 shot for kicks and youve got 370hp without the bolt ons at all, bolt it up and youre looking at 450 or so, turbo that and you dont even want to know, turbo on a qr25 is a waste

you can only push out around 300hp on a qr25 without worrying about it blowing up, and even still you are putting your rods under extreme stress, the vq swap is as relaible as a 6 speed maxima, you dont see them throwing rods do you? also that motor can handle a 150 shot of nitrous no problem, and can also hodl up to around 400hp on stock internals, which puts it less likely to explode than the qr25

it's deffinatly not as easy as buying after market maxima parts. you have a totally different chassis nothing fits the same. turbo on a QR is deffinatly not a waste of time. force induction more then makes up for the displacment of the 3.5. and where is your proof that tells you a 3.5 will hold a 150 shot after bolt ons? i fully bolted 3.5 might give you 250at the wheels. you have to remember its not the same setup as a 350z they have totally different tunes. the 350z is tuned for higher power. i agree that the 3.5 can hold more power but 150 shot is a bit much with stock internals. plus how would you tune the ecu? i highly doubt they have reflashes out for 150 shots. with a 150 shot your gonna need to retard the timing a good chunk. seeing how these cars are so complicatted the only way to do anything is through the ecu.

what i'm getting at is that i don't think your being logical about this. it seems like you just think of the better more expensive maxima and think hey i want that motor. a turbo kit will be much easier then swaping an entire engine/harness/ecu, swapping the motor mounts and from what i been reading you can't use the maxima bell housing. it's way too much work and costs way too much to be worth the effort. you can make 275whp on a QR25 with a turbo kit easily and reliably. i know this cause many ppl have been doing it. trust me once you price it all out the turbo kit will be much cheaper and produce better numbers. i dunno how you figure a turbo kit costs more anyhow they run around 3500 bucks on average:

Power Tech Imports turbo kit : 3395

Forced Induction Racing : 3595

lol im just going to come out and say it, youre retarded, fully bolting a v6 that puts out 225 to the wheels stock will only get you 25 more horsepower? a header and intake will get that on the 4 cylinder qr25, swap 350z cams and pistons, port and polish the head, and use the 350z track edition ecu youve got yourself the 350 motor basicly, that should put out around 315 unless im missing something, the maxima bellhousing WILL fit, travis sure as hell got it to, the maxima engine itself is around 1800 and the only thing you really need ot fab are some mount adapters, you dont even need new mounts. as far as the chassis comment, the vq35 altima shares the same chassis as the qr25 powered altima, how did they get that v6 in there big guy? guess they did the mounting a little different, which is exactly what a set of mount adapters will get you from travis for around 200 bucks. An sr20 swap probably runs around the same amount as the v6 swap and thats if you do the sr20 swap the right way, people swap DETs all day, no one tells them its too much money? I think youve still got beef about that pulley dispute and you just feel the need to argue with me about everything i say, think about it, whens the last time youve heard a sentra bark 4th gear? i havent even heard a turbo spec do that, power numbers dont always matter, the range of the v6 powerand is much greater than a turbo powerband and therefore launches better and does better at the track, both turbo manifolds will fit in the engine bay with the v6 swap and there is room enough for a turbo up front, boosted projections are estimated 400whp on pump gas, you have 2 more cylinders to make power in in a v6 motor, which is basicly your argument why the wrx beats a spec, because it makes more power due to forced induction, anyone who recommends F/I power over an equal amount of N/A power is just plain stupid, N/A is MUCH more reliable than any F/I power you can make, which saves money in the long run. And i had a friend who ran a 150 shot in his maxima for 2 years without incident, those motors can handle a lot

and the stage three PTI kit is 4800......thats 300 more than the v6 swap......

heres the link to travis' thread on the b15forums, let me know if you realize that your the only person alive that thinks the v6 swap is too much money and not as good as a turbo :thumbsup:

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=120769

you have just been pwned by the nismo pilot



:nutkick:

i read the "travis" thread already. and he had to swap the maxima bellhousing with the sentra bellhousing. and he even stated it was a pain in the ass. secondly that turbo kit only costs 3500 bucks i know cause i went to the site. anyone that pays 4800 bucks for a entry level turbo kit is just uneducated on turbo kits. have you even thought of putting a turbo kit together yourself? it would be even cheaper then one you would buy. Anyhow i'm not saying the QR25 is a better engine. it's a known fact the 3.5 is better. thats not my point. my point is a turbo'd qr25 makes more power then a 3.5 with bolt ons. and if you argue that someone should stomp on your face. And if you think a fully bolted 350z 3.5 makes 318 at the wheels your wrong. do some damn research newbie.http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/projects/projectaltima.php.. this 3.5 in an altima only makes 260 whp after cams, full exhaust, and a tune. your not gonna pull another 58 whp out of it. i don't care what you say, cause your just another poser fag, a turbo kit is better then swaping the engine. your not gonna rebuild that 3.5 and boost it and you know it so save yourself the hassle, buy a turbo kit and go blow your engine up cause your just another poser that will set the boost at 3 bar. heres a fully bolted 350Z and it makes 258 whp. theres absolutley no way your gonna make 318whp on a 350z without forced induction.http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/july03/350cams/

and what pulley insident are you talking about?

DYNO #’s were 234@5psi, 251@6psi, 265@7psi (internally gated)

SPEC-V STAGE II

- SAFC II
of the external wastegate.
- oil feed and return lines and all flanges and bolts
- Greddy or nissport oil adapter (pre tapped for 1/8” NPT)
- water feed and return lines, clamps, and adapters for upper and lower rad hose (*for gt2871r upgrade only)
- Coated 2.5” J-tube, gaskets and bolts
- 2.5 or 3” mid pipe w/ flex tube
- Coated Protech hi-velocity manifold
- Garrett intercooler (385HP)
- All aluminum intercooler piping w/BOV flange
*(choice of red or black crinkle finish)
- All silicone couplers and T-bolt clamps
*(choice of black, red or blue couplers)
- Bosch BOV with recirculation hose
- 3” aluminum turbo inlet pipe w/hose adapters, MAF adapter and hardware
- 3" hi-flow air filter
- hi-flow fuel filter
- 446cc injectors (flow balanced)
- Injector harness w/heat shrink and solder
- inline fuel gauge with fitting
- an fitting and swivel for fuel return line
- certified fuel line clamps
- Bosch 1 to 1 ratio Fuel pres regulator
- COMPLETE drop in fuel tank canister with Walbro 255lph pump
*(drop in and no mods necessary)
-Autometer Boost gauge and mounting cup
- Full instructions and full color pictures

stage 2 KIT SALE PRICE is $4095 US + $150 shipping


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let me know where you see 3500 in there.....copy and paste from the spec v turbo kit page form powertech imports

Do you post on the V-board?" they have a thread that lists all the turbo kits made for spec v's. i visisted a bunch of there sites and they run 3500 on average. obviously higher stage levels are gonna run you more.
http://forums.thevboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=33471

didn't see a price on the stage one kit, but on the V-board in the list i posted above theres these numbers:
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:23 am Post subject: **Official turbo list for the QR**

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I was doing some research on turbo kits, and I thought this might be helpful for others as well. Maybe become a sticky??

I apologize for any info that are incorrect or missing. Please feel free to pm me if you have any updates or any info that I have missed. Also, sorry for not asking any of you for permission to put your cars on here. If you want me to take you off this thread, please feel free to pm me. Also, if you are not on this thread, and would like to be, pm me too.



Forced Induction Racing
www.fi-r.com

pics:
Dions’s car aka chillboy



Mike's auto se-r


Norlandt's car


videos:
http://gallery.thevboard.com/users/Trav4011/videos/specvdyno1.mpeg
http://www.fi-r.com/images/Dionscarpreview.WMV
http://www.fi-r.com/images/Dionscardriving1.WMV
http://www.fi-r.com/images/Dionscardriving2.WMV
http://gallery.thevboard.com/users/Trav4011/videos/norlandt%20turbo%20sentra%20-%20hybrid%20dyno.WMV
http://gallery.thevboard.com/users/SnowMan/Videos/Norlandt1.wmv

dyno charts:
Norlandt’s car aka cubanprince1


Mike’c car aka mcw75


cost:
Standard - $3595
Standard w/ Internals - $7825
Starter (shipped) - $2395
Entry Level (shipped) - $2995

parts:
Standar Kit:
Precision Turbo/Garrett T3/T04B Hybrid
Tial 38mm wastegate(preset at 6.5psi, can be raised to 8psi safely)
Spearco Front mount intercooler
38lb MSD injectors (flow balanced)
Injector clips
HKS Standard blow off valve
Mandrel bent TIG welded and bead rolled Intercooler piping kit
3" inlet pipe with hose barbs for BOV recirculation and crankcase vent
TIG welded Turbo manifold
2.5" downpipe with flex section
Dump tube from wastegate (recirculated into the downpipe)
Apexi Super AFC
Fuel pressure regulator
Fuel return line and fittings
Fuel pump modification instructions and parts
Fuel pressure guage (for under hood)
Autometer boost guage
Guage mounting pods
Silicone hose connectors (for intercooler piping)
Gaskets for turbo/manifold
Cone air filter
Clamps for intercooler piping
Install instructions
Oil feed/drain lines

Stater kit:
T3/T04B turbo with ported exhaust housing
FI-R turbo manifold
FI-R 2.5" alluminized downpipe (TIG welded with flex section)
2.5" ALLUMINUM mandrel bent intercooler piping kit
3" ALLUMINUM inlet pipe with bungs for BOV recirculation and crank vent
Gaskets for turbo and oil drain
T3 oil drain flange
Oil feed and drain lines
All fittings needed (including BSPT to NPT adaptor for oil sending unit)
38mm external wastegate with 4.5-5psi spring
Polished cone air filter
Silicone hose connectors and reducers
High-TQ clamps for piping
Spearco bar and plate intercooler

Entry Level Kit:
T3/T04B turbo with ported exhaust housing
FI-R turbo manifold
FI-R 2.5" alluminized downpipe (TIG welded with flex section)
2.5" ALLUMINUM mandrel bent intercooler piping kit
3" ALLUMINUM inlet pipe with bungs for BOV recirculation and crank vent
Gaskets for turbo and oil drain
T3 oil drain flange
Oil feed and drain lines
All fittings needed (including BSPT to NPT adaptor for oil sending unit)
38mm external wastegate with 4.5-5psi spring
Polished cone air filter
Silicone hose connectors and reducers
High-TQ clamps for piping and fuel lines
Goodyear fuel injection hose and return line
Fittings and clamps for fuel lines
Fuel pressure guage for under hood
Apexi SAFC II
PTI Fuel pressure regulator
Spearco bar and plate intercooler
Bosch recirculation valve (Blow off valve)
Recirculation valve hose and clamps


options:
Piston and rod combo (4mm longer rods and higher wrist pin)- 1550.00
Camshafts - 595.00
Engine sleeving - 1295.00
Head and main stud kit- 395.00
Valvesprings- 295.00



Power Tech Imports turbo kit
www.powertechimports.com

pics:
Kav’s car


video:
http://gallery.thevboard.com/users/KAV/PTI/100_0036.AVI

dyno chart:


cost
Stage 1 - $3395
Stage 2 - $3895
Stage 3 - $4790

stage three kit makes around 300whp as stated by the b15 member who went 13.3 in the quarter, slicks were projected to put him mid 12's, stock v6 swap put travis at 12.9, bang for buck and reliability would go to the NA motor......

perhaps it is cheaper to swap the motor as well as more reliable, but your not gonna go as fast as a turbo'd spec can. and you can argue that till your blue in the face but it's just not gonna happen.

dont have to argue it, there are already quarter numbers that speak for themselves 12.9 is about as fast as youd go with a turbo anyways, spend the 4-500 in difference on some bolt ons for the v6 and you'll go even faster

wow dave
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2387/stfu27dd.jpg your a retard if you think the qr has even close to the potential of the vq. seriously. try to make 400 whp with a QR25 turbo. then watch your pistons fly through the valve cover and the rods shoot through the oil pan.

thanks slideways, i was wondering if anyone was going to jump in, sometimes it feels so lonely in here being the only one who has a clue.......

thats the thing you really don't have a clue. i never said the QR25 was better. anyways go ahead and do what you want. just seems a little retarded to have a fairly new car and rip the motor out. good luck with your dream

hahahaha v6 swap for teh win!!!!!!!!

makes just as much sense to throw a turbo on a motor that was not built for boost and then count the days until your rods snap and send your pistons to the moon, its a truck motor anyways (frontier), granted you CAN build a qr25 to handle boost, its not practical, cost of custom rods and pistons, block sleeving, crankshaft, cams and valve springs along with any other miscellaneous work plus the turbo kit and youve spent well over what you would have on a nice vq35 swap PLUS quite a few mods, if you have a need for speed, v6 swap is teh way to go

hahahaha v6 swap for teh win!!!!!!!!
DING.....DING..... :grinno:

lol damn slideways, i dont think "owned" is even the word for that one

DUDE!!! that pic is nassstty... if I want to see a monkey doing it I would go to the ZOO......

Now how much abuse will that Spec tranny take with the VQ tuned? will it shread it ? Has this been proven .Is this going to be another SE-R problem with boosted engines? and has travis done R&D on the side of boosting the VQ and having the tranny stay together?? just some thought I had about this hybrid.. thanks..

chip-

can't argue with ignorant children. chances are your not going to rebuild a Vq for boost so why not save the cash for the new engine, buy a turbo kit and run faster times then you would with your Vq. I mean you can run 275whp on a qr25 with stock internals. thats more then you'll know how to handle. it's just that what you wanna do seems far fetched considering theres like one kid that did the swap so there isn't much experience with it. i mean shit if you got money to blow hell yea go build a Vq and dump it in there that is deffinatly the better set up. i never said a boosted Vq wasn't better. just unlikley. i mean i don't even know why i keep arguing with you go build it then tell me what its like i almost garantee i'll check this thread a yr from now and you won't have shit done.

riiiight, ill probably just trade it in on a knock off version of a real muscle car......

and b12, im not too familiar with the transmissions power threshold, as with any transmission youre probably going to want to shotpeen and cryo treat the internals to beef it up, if for nothing else just to keep it from crapping on you down the road, an NA vq35 probably shouldnt generate enough to wring off your input shaft or anything, but im sure it can handle 400 at least. And dave, chances are you never turboed your spec so why are you arguing theoretical points, just because im not going to do it means its not as good? that makes a lot of sense, how about instead of being mad that someone proved you wrong, try contributing something useful, like an idea for another swap maybe? or would being useful be too much for you? fact is that if you knew ANYTHING about the qr25 motor, you would know that nissan designed a sub-par crate engine that could be used cheaply in a bunch of different applications, if things would have went the way they SHOULD have gone we would have had the sr20ve...... swap DET rods and pistons and turbo it and you have a monster 4 cyl, if you want a turbo project, instead of fighting an uphill battle (qr25det) get a motor that will handle it (sr20 anything, vq35)

and you still refuse to believe that a turbo is more expensive per horsepower than the vq35 swap which makes you a noob, throw some slicks on that firebird and drift it in some snow somewhere where trees are abundant :nono:

When the hell did this forum get filled with preschoolers?

And who the fuck thought they could start posting porn?

Or start flaming other members?

This thread is dead, and in the next half an hour don't be surprised if a few names gain a special "BANNED" user title.