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Cash for Clunkers and my opinionbhw33191 08-24-2009, 09:43 PM This program is the most disgusting thing i've ever heard of in my opinion. I'm sick of this "Obama motors" crap. The government should stick to its own business if you know what i mean and stop trying to run the car industry. Its ruining an American pastime and people just don't appreciate cars the way they used to :disappoin. I think it was a sneaky way of starting the economy back up because all of these dealerships are making deals like never before. And you know, its gunna cause some big problems too. As soon as people hear the term "governmental rebate" they jump on the opportunity. And you know what? A lot of these people can't afford the cars even with the rebate and it'll end up getting repossessed in the end. All the rebate does in that case is delay the process and allow these people to drive in new cars for even longer. And as many of you may know, these cash for "clunkers" get a crankcase full of silicone acetate (i believe it is), then get the $hit revved out of them till the engine is seized. A great majority of these cars have good parts people could use, and heck the whole car itself most often still has many years of life left! So anyway on my drive to work i saw something i just had to take a picture of. http://i32.tinypic.com/rgw7b7.jpg j cAT 08-24-2009, 11:30 PM take it easy its only a piece of steel.....if its a 2009 silverado a piece of plastic.. Obama is just trying to get the economy going...this cash for clunkers did help clear out inventory.... this was better than the bank,,and insurance bail out.. hundreds of billions no questions asked....FREE MONEY...then they give the employees a big cash bonus... bhw33191 08-25-2009, 09:40 AM take it easy its only a piece of steel.....if its a 2009 silverado a piece of plastic.. Obama is just trying to get the economy going...this cash for clunkers did help clear out inventory.... this was better than the bank,,and insurance bail out.. hundreds of billions no questions asked....FREE MONEY...then they give the employees a big cash bonus... I'm still stickin to my opinion but you do have a point. I guess its all how you look at it. MagicRat 08-25-2009, 02:10 PM Cash for clunkers ends today... good riddance. It was expensive for the taxpayer. Many of the cars being sold were made overseas but were subsidized by US dollars. Imo the money would have been better spent on infrastructure projects, and not serving such special interests. racerxpl 08-25-2009, 03:48 PM And it was a program that did not benefit those hit by the economy the worst. Layed off people cant usually get a new car loan and those of us that cannot afford new cars now cannot afford used cars and the used parts to fix the ones we have will not be there. Talk about crapping on the poor. Blt2Lst 08-25-2009, 05:55 PM I think the C 4 C program basically kept a lot of auto workers from driving up the unemployment stats. Now that it is coming to an end, we will just have to wait and see what happens. I think it was a temporary fix at best to the economy. '97ventureowner 08-25-2009, 07:27 PM I think it will end up cannibalizing auto sales from this coming Fall and Winter. Those that were probably waiting to make their purchase then made them now and I'll expect we'll see even lower sales figures in the coming months now that the program is over, along with the real incentive to purchase a new vehicle. wafrederick 08-25-2009, 09:49 PM The damage has been done to the used car market and can't be fixed.My father is an used car dealer and has not sold a car since this happened,nothing but tire kickers.Price of an used car is going up next year by a grand. bhw33191 08-25-2009, 11:45 PM The damage has been done to the used car market and can't be fixed.My father is an used car dealer and has not sold a car since this happened,nothing but tire kickers.Price of an used car is going up next year by a grand. Yeah i know what you mean. I spend a lot of my time as a locksmith making keys to repossessed cars and i found that part of my business to slow down. However, i'm expecting a boom in repossessed cars as people who can't afford a new car decide that the cash for clunkers deal might help scrape by but they soon find they still can't keep up. And then consequentially when they go looking for a "used" car they CAN afford, the market just won't be there and they'll be screwed.. j cAT 08-26-2009, 09:47 AM The damage has been done to the used car market and can't be fixed.My father is an used car dealer and has not sold a car since this happened,nothing but tire kickers.Price of an used car is going up next year by a grand. with all this spending the cost of all vehicles new and used will go up alot next year....inflation is going to be with us next year.. those working will be forced to purchase something to get them to work...,,and like ya said many of these clunker people will soon be unable to make the payments... whats 3 billion though, when the fat cats got hundreds of billions,,and then they kept the cash instead of helping get the economy moving.. just look at all the construction stoped in LAS VEGAS...the banks pulled the plug....rather than having the jobs continue to complete these structures.. I can see already the vehicles are getting very small....not to bad if you live in a warm climate....what happens when the snow comes ? 305caprice 08-26-2009, 03:39 PM this is why im angry that i wasnt born in the 50's or 60's. the new cars that are coming out r slowly becoming to complicated for the average joe to fix thats one of the big uses of the pre 2000 cars. granted they still have a fair amount of computers in them but there fixable its scary my cars is a clunkers ive had three people tell me " go get rid of that gas guzzling dinosaur youre driving its a peace of junk and ugly to look at" i worked hard to avoid slaming my all steel bumper into there space aged plastic one. morn the death of the clunkers :frown::frown::frown: wafrederick 08-26-2009, 07:25 PM It was a joke there were some nice looking ones going to crusher.I have heard of a Corvette traded in for cash for clunkers.Another used car dealer saw this without the t tops CD Smalley 08-26-2009, 07:52 PM I saw a Maserati with something like 18K original miles on CNN headed for the crusher. Wrong.... Just plain wrong... Blt2Lst 08-27-2009, 06:10 PM I saw a Maserati with something like 18K original miles on CNN headed for the crusher. Wrong.... Just plain wrong... It's hard to believe they could not get more than $4500 for a Maserati if they tried to sell it..:disappoin Blue Bowtie 08-29-2009, 09:46 AM In Massachusetts, one more clunker was turned in after the program ended. silicon212 08-29-2009, 11:33 AM In Massachusetts, one more clunker was turned in after the program ended. It's about time, too! That old clunker was polluting the entire state! beat88ls 08-29-2009, 08:17 PM @ BHW33191 they pour Sodium silicate (aka water glass) which is pretty much radiator stop leak into the oil, i got to watch the brilliant auto techs at Best Ford destroy a 2000 crown vic with it... it takes less than 40 seconds to do damage. i then spoke with a young fellow who was loading one of the vehicles onto a flat bed. i asked him what was going to happen to the vehicles and he told me that a majority of the vehicles will be crushed but the late models will be salvaged for interiors and body panels before the crusher... but there where 2000, 2002, and even 2004 vehicles marked C4C there... people took advantage of an ill thought out program cash for clunkers in my opinion was a very bad idea behind a good idea. i unfortunately had to sell my caprice because i am going to lose my job and i cant afford to keep both my caprice and jeep on the road. i have to say signing the title was one of the hardest things i have ever done, but at least mine went to a person who loves caprices and will take good care of it. bhw33191 08-29-2009, 11:20 PM @ BHW33191 they pour Sodium silicate (aka water glass) which is pretty much radiator stop leak into the oil, i got to watch the brilliant auto techs at Best Ford destroy a 2000 crown vic with it... it takes less than 40 seconds to do damage. i then spoke with a young fellow who was loading one of the vehicles onto a flat bed. i asked him what was going to happen to the vehicles and he told me that a majority of the vehicles will be crushed but the late models will be salvaged for interiors and body panels before the crusher... but there where 2000, 2002, and even 2004 vehicles marked C4C there... people took advantage of an ill thought out program cash for clunkers in my opinion was a very bad idea behind a good idea. i unfortunately had to sell my caprice because i am going to lose my job and i cant afford to keep both my caprice and jeep on the road. i have to say signing the title was one of the hardest things i have ever done, but at least mine went to a person who loves caprices and will take good care of it. Thats terrible you had to get rid of it..but at least it will be taken car of for the most part. Thats just life i suppose, we move on.. RageCage 08-30-2009, 07:46 PM I "clunkered" my 85 Caprice on 8/8/2009. I was choking back tears on the way to the dealer. But she had 425,000 miles on her, and was rusting out badly. I had been trying to make myself buy a new , more fuel-efficient car for about 10 years. I have a long commute and I hate paying $80 to fill up one tank. I thought the clunker program was a bad idea, since it would kill off perfectly good cars, like Crown Vics and Grand Marquis, which I was also looking at buying. ( Easy to work on, cheap fixes usually, etc).... Now, if I ever want to buy a used CV or Grand Marquis, the prices will be way up due to lower supply, possibly, which sucks. But, even though I disagreed with the program, I used it, to buy a Nissan Versa. I get 30 to 35 mpg now on my commute, depending on traffic. Used to get 20 mpg in the Caprice. I don't feel too guilty about the Caprice since it was SOOOO old and rusty, and the trans was starting to act up (as I had posted here), plus the cat needed to be replaced, and the starter. Life goes on. And at least the working folks get this "bailout", not the bankers. bhw33191 08-30-2009, 10:29 PM I "clunkered" my 85 Caprice on 8/8/2009. I was choking back tears on the way to the dealer. But she had 425,000 miles on her, and was rusting out badly. I had been trying to make myself buy a new , more fuel-efficient car for about 10 years. I have a long commute and I hate paying $80 to fill up one tank. I thought the clunker program was a bad idea, since it would kill off perfectly good cars, like Crown Vics and Grand Marquis, which I was also looking at buying. ( Easy to work on, cheap fixes usually, etc).... Now, if I ever want to buy a used CV or Grand Marquis, the prices will be way up due to lower supply, possibly, which sucks. But, even though I disagreed with the program, I used it, to buy a Nissan Versa. I get 30 to 35 mpg now on my commute, depending on traffic. Used to get 20 mpg in the Caprice. I don't feel too guilty about the Caprice since it was SOOOO old and rusty, and the trans was starting to act up (as I had posted here), plus the cat needed to be replaced, and the starter. Life goes on. And at least the working folks get this "bailout", not the bankers. I gutta say i have NEVER heard of a car with so many miles. That really sucks you clunked your caprice, but hey, i'd say it served you well with that many miles evildragon 09-05-2009, 12:24 PM I had drove my "baby" (see sig), to an automotive place to pickup a friend, and guess what happens when I got out of the car. "Are you here to send in your clunker?" I nearly hit tears because that's like saying would I throw out my only child. This car, though been a lemon in the long run, has taught me many things about cars, and have "memories" (!ahem! backseat !ahem!). I told the guy: "This car aint no clunker, this car will survive a crash better than any of those new cars in the lot." bhw33191 09-06-2009, 12:21 AM I had drove my "baby" (see sig), to an automotive place to pickup a friend, and guess what happens when I got out of the car. "Are you here to send in your clunker?" I nearly hit tears because that's like saying would I throw out my only child. This car, though been a lemon in the long run, has taught me many things about cars, and have "memories" (!ahem! backseat !ahem!). I told the guy: "This car aint no clunker, this car will survive a crash better than any of those new cars in the lot." Wow thats terrible what that guy said!! He just wanted your damn money!! I've had my share of problems with my car too, but it was worth the $4,000 i've put into it so far. I've learned so much too and its really nice to know how things work. I've saved my self an unfathomable amount of time and money by learning to fix it myself and i'm glad it happened with a good ol American car like this. (although mine was built in Canada lol but you know what i mean.) '97ventureowner 09-06-2009, 12:58 AM This program is the most disgusting thing i've ever heard of in my opinion. Not as disgusting as the program instituted by some of the oil companies in California in the late '80s. They had a program that put a bounty on old cars ( from the '50 to the '70s) in an effort to clean the air. These cars were tagged as major polluters and I believe the bounty was about $400 or $600 per vehicle. I remember reading articles in the magazines I was subscribed to back then that had stories of people lining the routes to some of the places where they crushed the cars, offering the owners more money to buy the car from them so it wouldn't be destroyed. Hard to say how much damage that did to the classic/antique car hobby or restoration as this particular program targeted older vehicles worth much more in today's dollars. vBulletin®, Copyright ©2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
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