Ferrari Testarossa 250 1958 MG Plus Models 1:12 - Car Forums and Automotive Chat

tony126c2

08-10-2009, 10:49 AM

I never knew about this kit until I opened this thread...

About the summer of white ´58 Testarossas, I´m not sure. I remember one being made last year...phhh.

Good luck with this monster. I´m eager to see this one done.

Robert

Thanks Robert ...although you can not see the pics anymore it is definitely the Lucy Belle :grinno:

godfather23
04-03-2008, 04:16 PM

Now that I can see pictures, I also need to congratulate you... Interesting livery. I have never this one in these colors. Can you please post some pictures of the whole car??

Robert

godfather23

08-10-2009, 03:34 PM

Thanks Robert ...although you can not see the pics anymore it is definitely the Lucy Belle :grinno:

Oh my goodness. There I am looking all foolish...

What I meant was...ähham...your blue stripes are much more darker than the ones I saw yet. Please don´t ask what I was smoking while writing the earlier of the two posts.

If I remember right, I even put a picture off the No. 22 car into my building thread. Oh dear.

Robert

tony126c2

08-10-2009, 04:16 PM

Oh my goodness. There I am looking all foolish...

What I meant was...ähham...your blue stripes are much more darker than the ones I saw yet. Please don´t ask what I was smoking while writing the earlier of the two posts.

If I remember right, I even put a picture off the No. 22 car into my building thread. Oh dear.

Robert

LOL ..no problem my friend!

Ton

ouizel

08-10-2009, 04:23 PM

I have this same kit and have been contemplating some of the same modifications you are proposing.

I will definitely be watching your build and taking notes!

d13ca5tm0dd3r

08-10-2009, 05:13 PM

looks good.

tony126c2

08-10-2009, 05:21 PM

I will definitely be watching your build and taking notes!

You are welcome ! :licka:

250 Testa Rossa

08-12-2009, 01:46 AM

1/12th scale ? WHOA! I just finished my Hasegawa TR. MG Model Plus just released a 1/12th scale TR that Von Neumann ran at Riverside.

tony126c2

08-14-2009, 07:58 AM

After some consideration I decided to construct the aft chassis in brass instead of plastic tubing. Although plastic is better to work with, brass gives more strenght.

I started with a brass bulkhead to have a solid connection point for the brass tubing. I also use the resin aft part for the right measurement as a kind of mould for the brass parts.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0315%7E0.jpg

Here you see one part already "moulded"

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0317%7E0.jpg

The drawing I made is now a template for the bending of the brass tubing

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0319.jpg

...and the mould I use for dryfitting. After I soldered the beams I was not very satisfied: the diameter of the tube was to much ( I knew already:grinyes:) and the connection to the bulkhead was crappy. I removed everything and started all over with the new 6 mm tubing.

In my second attempt I soldered a connection point ( made from a thinner tube) where I could slide the 6mm tube over the smaller one. It makes it much more easy to align the 6mm tube.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0320.jpg

This hazy picture shows the support. After bending, aligning and soldering I added a cross connection

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0322.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0323.jpg

Next step is further making some reinforcements of the frame and making the axle.

regards

Ton

F1Tommy

08-14-2009, 11:52 AM

Converting an MG into a superdetailed model. Wow you are brave!!
Can't wait to see your thread as it goes along.

Consider this a scratchbuild(other than the body).

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010

CrateCruncher

08-14-2009, 12:20 PM

Nice start Ton! This is a very ambitious project, no doubt.

tony126c2

08-14-2009, 12:43 PM

@Tom: "brave" is my middle name :icon16: :icon16: It is my first time...we will see were we end. It is a great creation and a great model but the aft part is a definitely a minus so I will try and enhance it.

@Mike: It is rather ambitious but I build it already in my head :) and every part fits :iceslolan So everything will be alright.

grayfox2014

08-15-2009, 02:27 PM

tony126c2

08-15-2009, 03:15 PM

Great work. since your working over the back half of the frame I figured this sit would help with reference, I'm using it for my frame modifications. Its supposed to be an accurate frame.

http://www.rrafs.be/250TR.htm

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the link but it is already the main reference for my work. Great reference it is!

tony126c2

09-17-2009, 05:46 PM

CrateCruncher

09-17-2009, 06:19 PM

Finally! An update on the MG. I was beginning to think you were pulling our leg (kidding us) about working on that engine. Good outcome from a really rough looking set of parts you had to work with. I like your scratch work on the distributors. Your front waterlines look good too. I was trying to figure out how they connect into the radiator and your photo helped a lot.
Mike

M.S

09-17-2009, 06:53 PM

Hi Tony

Looks very nice from the engine, unfortunately, I have seen your building report until now. Here I have some photos by a 1:12 motor.
http://www.autographmodel.com/Deutsch/Deutsch.htm
I built him 2 years ago.
You make you again very much work seems to be worthwhile.

Greeting
Martin

rollin80s

09-17-2009, 07:31 PM

that is one beautiful engine there. great, great work.

tony126c2

09-18-2009, 07:28 AM

@Mike I am quite satisfied, although the engine bloc is much to rough. Looking forward to see yours finished.

@Martin This Autograph engine is a complete other league. It is in my stockpile too waiting to be put in the Revell GTO. Comparing to this one it is a smooth clean kit.

@Rollin: thanks!

tony126c2

09-29-2009, 11:11 AM

After the engine the work on the "hump" had to start. A rather important job for me...considering I have never done it and some other projects were dependant of the success of my coppersmith skills. Among them is making in copper of the upper part of the 1:8 ARNO IX hydroplane with ferrari Engine

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/timossi6.jpg

I started with a piece of copper (no brass because copper is more flexible)

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0359%7E0.jpg

I quit after two attempts and started working with 2 half pieces of copper. After bending, shaping and coppersmithing I could solder both parts together

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0360%7E0.jpg

and with coppersmith tools I shaped in its definitive form

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0361%7E0.jpg

I was satisfied with this try out and confident in my coppersmith skills so I put the cutter in the resin.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0362%7E0.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0363%7E0.jpg

It wasn´t a sharp cut so I used a copper frame, screws and milliput (epoxy putty)

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0364%7E0.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0366%7E0.jpg

after sanding etc. the trunk hole was ready

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0369%7E0.jpg

here some fitting of the hump

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0371.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0372.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0373.jpg

next step is finishing the trunk

Ton

grayfox2014

09-29-2009, 12:03 PM

:eek2:wow everything looks truly fantastic. The detail on the engine and the work on the hump is amazing. I now know for a fact that im in last place out of the three of us. o well slow and steady.

CrateCruncher

09-29-2009, 11:51 PM

Nice progress Ton. Good solution for the hump dividing it in two like that. You probably already know this but copper hardens as its worked and has to be annealed periodically to restore ductility or it will crack.

tony126c2

09-30-2009, 07:21 AM

I now know for a fact that im in last place out of the three of us. o well slow and steady.

@Steve, how is progress on your build? Until now you have achieved more than I do !

@Mike, thanks for the advice. Until now I did not have any cracks but now I know the way to avoid it.

grayfox2014

09-30-2009, 12:35 PM

My progress is moving about as fast as molasses in a blizzard. Working on the hinges and looking at get a HRM engine. Once I do those I'll put an update on here.

Pascal D

10-11-2009, 11:47 AM

Well, well, look what the cat dragged in !! :tongue:

Nice to see you here Ton.

Greetings

Pascal

tony126c2

10-14-2009, 02:45 PM

@ Pascal :biggrin: :biggrin: we meet everywhere

The lid of the trunk/boot is ready now. A book from 1893 and the books of Gerald Wingrove ( http://web.mac.com/gawingrove/iWeb/Home%20Page/Home%20Page%20.html) helped me a lot with the coppersmithing .

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0378.jpg

First the copper (brass is to hard) is annealed so it becomes softer. The first shape I have done with my fingers. Than I put some "wrinkles" in the copper where a curve should come. With a small hammer the "wrinkles" are hammered out and this is repeated a several times with this result

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0379.jpg

Here two parts are ready for soldering

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0380.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0381.jpg

The lid is made out of brass

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0382.jpg

And here you see old and new side by side

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0383.jpg

The small lid in the hump will added later :D

tony126c2

10-31-2009, 11:43 AM

This is a rather time consuming project. Compared to the F40 project I now have to design and create every added part myself. :D

Last 2 weeks I have been busy with remodelling the tubular chassis and the seats. On the picture you can see the (drawn) parts which I removed or modified.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0384.jpg

On the picture you see leather and foam which I planned to use for upholstery. But it looked awful, to much curves.
So it was time for plan B: the paint and brush

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0387.jpg

After giving it a first coat it looked much than the leather

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0388.jpg

However the "leather" is too glossy, so it is matted and piping is added.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0390.jpg

The seats are ready and I am quite satisfied with the result

The last picture show the aft part after demolishing the old tubular chassis and with the axle added. Now the resin is removed and I gave to model the differential
http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0390a.jpg

I removed the old chassis because it was to wide and the wheels hardly fitted

regards

Ton

MidMazar

10-31-2009, 12:26 PM

Cool progress on a not so often seen kit. Motor starting to look great. Also the copper hump is just perfect, great work.

BTW that resin appears to be hella thick.

tony126c2

10-31-2009, 01:34 PM

Cool progress on a not so often seen kit. Motor starting to look great. Also the copper hump is just perfect, great work.

BTW that resin appears to be hella thick.

Yes the resin is very thick on the aft side of the car. In the front it is more subtle

CrateCruncher

11-01-2009, 07:40 AM

Nice progress Ton. Nice work on those seats. Whenever you get frustrated with the quality of this kit just remind yourself of all the great scratch-building skills your perfecting, :iceslolan.

(a bit off-topic: Stefano Corsini is selling a white metal engine kit for your Arno project. A bit pricey but wow what an engine. He had full access to the real one when he made the patterns.)

tony126c2

11-01-2009, 08:44 AM

Nice progress Ton. Nice work on those seats. Whenever you get frustrated with the quality of this kit just remind yourself of all the great scratch-building skills your perfecting, :iceslolan.

Mike, maybe I will do that :icon16: ...sometimes I just want to build a kit right from the box..no scratchbuilding, no starting over again and again

a bit off-topic: Stefano Corsini is selling a white metal engine kit for your Arno project. A bit pricey but wow what an engine. He had full access to the real one when he made the patterns.)

It is in my stack already for a couple months :smile: I had a nice deal when I also bought the Porsche engine :cool: This is one of projects I also like to do but...a lot of scratchwork as long as they don´t issue their transkit. But maybe my next project because that one is a nice straight build. I have seen the pictures on which the kit is based on ..........hundreds!

Ton

tony126c2

11-07-2009, 10:35 AM

A little progress again ...this is a very slow project :cry:

This week I made the differential and removed the resin aft.
The problem with the differential is that there is no decent reference material. The only pictures I found are these: the lowest is a picture of the real car, upper right is an earlier model and left is the Hiro model.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0390b.jpg

This is the base form of the diff. It will be divided so that I can put it on the brass axle.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0391.jpg

ready for assembly

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0395.jpg

Here you can see the model where the resin has been cut away and the assembled diff

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0399.jpg

I made a dry fit with the wheels

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0400.jpg

you van see that there is little room to mount the suspension so there is something to think about :-?
It will be my next challenge and also finishing the tubular chassis and mounting the gas tank

Ton

tony126c2

11-26-2009, 11:58 AM

This is where we stopped last time. Here you can see the differential with wheels on the axle.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0407.jpg

There is little space for the springs between the wheels and the chassis..and this is the way it is solved.

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0408.jpg

The springs are mounted on the inside now (without consent of Enzo 8) )
The springs won´t keep the axle in place so we need some kind of device (really don´t know the name)

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0409.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0410.jpg

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0411.jpg

Here all the parts are in place in a dryfit

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0412.jpg

This the start of the gas tank. Base form is made out of balsa

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0413.jpg

Here it is covered with aluminium

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0415.jpg

........and waiting for rivets. I ordered rivets which were to small (head .4 mm)

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0419.jpg

Here you see the chassis for the interior

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0418.jpg

Here it is placed. Also I installed the cover which is situated between the seat and the frame

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10860/DSC_0420.jpg

Next step in finishing the gas tank and the steering systeem. I don´t yet if I will make in steerable.

Ton

da_ashman

11-26-2009, 06:19 PM

Simply amazing building, fantastic project!!!! Is the Swiss one the Silver with Burgendy one? Love all the strachbuilding!!!!

tony126c2

11-27-2009, 03:20 AM

Simply amazing building, fantastic project!!!! Is the Swiss one the Silver with Burgendy one? Love all the strachbuilding!!!!

The "lucybelle is" the one which is now in a Swiss collection

http://www.hapico.com/20_Auto/0732/003S.JPG

:grinyes:

bmwmech1

11-28-2009, 09:18 AM

tony126c2

11-28-2009, 09:46 AM

This looks outstanding, my friend. You should just take it to the next level and "hammer" out an entire copper body for it, using the resin body as a buck. Seems you have the capabilities with the success of the trunk lid... then you could build an entire brass frame and... oh well, maybe not. Food for thought, though...:)

Garey

Hi Garey

Thanks for your kind words...it passed my mind a few times but I don´t I have the perseverance to start such a project. The brass frame is still an option! :grinyes:

bmwmech1

11-28-2009, 11:09 AM

Hi Garey

Thanks for your kind words...it passed my mind a few times but I don´t I have the perseverance to start such a project. The brass frame is still an option! :grinyes:

Perseverance? Are you kidding??... you just spent like 2 years on the F40! You have plenty of perseverance!!!:) A brass frame would be a nice upgrade, though. You'd have to thin down the resin body, I'm sure, to keep things looking correct, which is what made me think of the copper body. Scale-wise, it would be very close to correct in thickness... but it makes a mountainous project out of this build... kind of like the F40, no?:biggrin:

Garey

dieteufel

11-28-2009, 02:13 PM

Hi Ton !

Great work ! Fine scratchbuild details.

Greetings Sascha

tony126c2

11-28-2009, 05:53 PM

you just spent like 2 years on the F40! The F40 was another piece of cake: it was a top high end assembly project...but hammering a new body is a major scratch build job where you have to "invent" everything yourself. Now I sometimes have big issues with myself abiut the current build ( yes you go on...no I stop...you go on ...I stop) :rofl:

a brass frame would be a nice upgradeBut not as part of the current kit but as a separate frame with engine, wheels, tank in the same display !

@Die Teufel: hi Sascha...small world :)

Ton