The Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 Concept has been unveiled at the Tokyo Auto Show this year.

Nissan will continue building the GT-R in the 21st Century, providing the ultimate driving pleasure to even more people worldwide. In its next generation Nissan is looking to introducing the GT-R in other markets worldwide.

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In pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure
Successive generations of the GT-R have consistently pursued the ultimate in driving pleasure. Over the years, the GT-R has continued to be a supreme-performance road-going car that delivers superb driving pleasure by responding faithfully to the driver's demands. Just sitting in the driver's seat of the GT-R produces a feeling of excitement that envelops the entire body.
Achieving the ultimate in driving pleasure means that the car must perform exactly as the driver expects. Meeting this expectation requires a faithful response to the driving actions executed by the driver, and the car must convey accurate information to the driver. In other words, the driver has to be able to judge the vehicle's state accurately and instantaneously. Then, through the car's consistently response to the accelerator pedal, steering wheel and brake pedal, the driver enjoys the pleasure of controlling the car at will. There is feeling of solid trust and oneness that forms between the driver and the car in this process, confidently bringing out both the driver's skill and the car's maximum potential.
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Consistently providing the best specifications available in every era
If drivers are to enjoy the ultimate in driving pleasure, the car's potential must be raised to the utmost limits. Successive generations of the GT-R have truly incorporated superior specifications even among vehicles in this segment. With its unrivaled power, the engine has delivered outstanding acceleration and top speed combined with a driving sensation. A superior braking system has provided powerful braking performance, and an outstanding suspension has enabled the GT-R to corner with remarkable quickness.
The GT-R has been the showcase for the highest levels of acceleration, cornering and stopping capabilities. The delicate balance between the powerful engine and responsive suspension has been pushed as each system surpassed last generation technology.
As a result of that never-ending process, the GT-R has continued to embody the most advanced technologies available in every era.

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Expanding the tradition globally in the 21st-Century
Successive generations of the GT-R have already established an unshakable position in Japan as a result of incorporating the highest levels of technology available in pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure. That superior performance transcended the oceans to make the GT-R the focus of envious looks the world over. Nissan is developing a new generation of GT-R for the 21st Century with the aim of placing it in the spotlight of the global stage, beyond the borders of the Japanese market.

The GT-R displayed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show is a concept vehicle which delivers "Ultimate Driving Pleasure" with the best in world-class
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This concept car is well... ' 'different' ' .. I doubt this is how the production version will look, but this car does have something special in it. Let's hope for the best!

Hey Igor:D

Me no like the look of it, but I do like the fact that they are trying and chances for a US version has gone up.

Also for everyone who has been talking about "I hate the new Skyline, it should never come to the states blah blah". As you can see the new Skyline is only the SEDAN version and this is JUST the concept for the GT-R.

The fun starts now:D

Here are a few other concepts from the Tokyo Auto show. http://www.autonews.com/page.cms?pageId=153 Some look like fun, others just plain scarry. Either way all cars have to start somewhere.

Also, I can not help but note.. this picture was posted here on AF some time ago, by a person who simply posted it, and never came back or explained where these pictures originated:

Picture posted looooong time ago-
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The concept officially released by Nissan-
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This rendering is WAY TOO similar to the official concept released by Nissan. Something's going on here... I wish the person who posted this a while ago could come back and maybe give us some kind of an explanation ....:cool:

Creepy?! But no doubt they are very similar and therefore chances are high that the first photo is also valid as a very early concept.:confused:

It would be nice to hear more info. Especially some "educating" of the public outside of Japan of the difference in the many versions of Skylines that have come out.

BTW: Take a look at this photo of the Fairlady Z (350Z):

It's a huge file, but you can check out the larger version and look for yourself. I smell photochop. Chances that the GT-R photo's have been doctored are also high since both photo's came from the same Nissan site.

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/PRESS/EN/PRESS_RELEASE/fairlady_z.html


I'll post the Z stuff in the Z folder, but thought the fact that the Fairlady had some photochoping done to it made me think that the GT-R photo's may not all be 100%:)

You do realize that these photos are coming from the OFFICIAL Nissan Website right? :)

Yup. That is why I was questioning the Z photo.

To self I said, "Self, why would Nissan have a photochopped picture of the new Z?".:confused:

The Z looks great and near (if not already) complete.

The GT-R concept, although I don't care too much for its look does bring some great idea's to the table for the next version of the GT-R.

That's why the odd mirror is puzzling me:confused:

speechless.

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/PRESS/EN/PRESS_RELEASE/gt-r.html

Expanding the tradition globally in the 21st-Century
Successive generations of the GT-R have already established an unshakable position in Japan as a result of incorporating the highest levels of technology available in pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure. That superior performance transcended the oceans to make the GT-R the focus of envious looks the world over. Nissan is developing a new generation of GT-R for the 21st Century with the aim of placing it in the spotlight of the global stage, beyond the borders of the Japanese market.

Notice it is LHD! You guessed it, my next car will be an R35 GTR!

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One correction please Nissan:

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Gabedude, that looks a lot better.
Let's not forget that this is only a concept.
At least it still has the round taillights.

Originally posted by gabedude
One correction please Nissan:

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Damn! That one looks WAY better.:frog:

I think it has some potential.

I made a small picture.. quick so don't hassle me about it :D

Low it looks better.

I can't help but notice the steering wheel is on the left side. Does that mean it will be imported to the U.S.? That would be awesome!!!!! I just hope that it doesn't get detuned if it does.

Also, if they bring it over will the price go down as a result of lower tariffs?

DAMN!! I wan't one, I know it is probably a long way off, but this is just a step closer in the right direction!!! I MUST HAVE ONE!!!!!! :ylsuper

Looks killer. :) But I hope they "fix" the front end and make the back look a little rounder. :) Well, I've found my new car! lol :D Can you imagine the after market support? :)

Looks good. The only thing that bothers me is the front end. I can't help comparing it to that one Cadillac consept they put out this year. :( Maybe its just my mind playing tricks on me.

OTOH the doctered pics that gabedude posted is sweet! Now that looks like an evolved GT-R. :D:D:D

Will I ever get one? Oh yeah I'll just trade in my 2001 NSX when it comes out. ;)

I'm not too crazy about it. It looks way too much like a Z. Who knows what Nissan will do eventually, but at least they will probably send it to the US. For my money, however, I'd rather just have an imported R32, R33 or R34.

The new GT-R will be based on the same platform as the Fairlady Z. The interior design is almost the same too, with all that bare aluminum. I guess the GT-R will also have VQ-power as well. Since the Z will have the normally aspirated VQ35DE with at least 280hp, I bet the GT-R will have a turbo version. With a lighter body and better weight distribution, it should be a rocket.

I'm as skeptical about this as I am about the next NSX. :(

Maybe I just wont be a fan of the cars from this decade, prefering instead the "classic cars of the '90s". ;)

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Check it out!:eek2: We just might get a chance to drive the GT-R concept whether Nissan makes it or not. Sort of.

Check out picture #1

looks pretty cool

Absolutely desirable, and otherwise perfect. Hopefully it won't change much aesthetically, and it probably shouldn't considering the closeness between all of Nissan's recent concept to production models (Concept Z-->350Z/Fairlady Z; XVL Concept sedan-->Altima/G35/Skyline GT). It embodies everything the names Nissan and GT-R stand for in this day in age: trademark qualities with forward movement. You can see familiar lines not only in the taillamps, but also in the overbearing rear fender creases and huge front grille opening. But holding together these features is a stunning new body, flat-out stating Nissan's new direction with subtlety out of the picture; it seems almost like a wake-up call from Nissan.

I know many of you are about to start off with your jeers and signs of incontent, but history ALWAYS repeats itself in this area. Many, many new cars take time getting used to, and this is always primarily due to the familiarity with an older model. Try and fast-forward. Picture this car without thinking of older GT-Rs at first. It's beautiful in its own way while still capturing some essential qualities from it's predecessors. Yes, the R34, 33, and 32 GT-Rs are incomprehendably legendary, but Nissan needed to break the mold with something fresh--something the whole world could enjoy. If they need to reconstruct and make money, then here is a workable, good product. And what's good for Nissan in the long run is good for all of us.

So how come the tail lights of this car reminds me of the old Corvette???

I hated the concept pics at first, but the thing is really startin to grow on me! I love the car's overall shape. Curvy,sexy, yet it screems power. The only part I don't like is the headlamp design. It doesn't convey 'Move Your Slow Ass!' like it should. I know that it will be different on the production model with the addition of turn signals and all, but if they made it look how gabedude made it look, I would buy it in a heartbeat!

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Yeah, at first i didn't like it either, but it's a true beauty i think. I think the hood should be a lil' bit longer and the front light unit should change to get that meaner look. but this is only a concept.


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Further supporting Nissan's new world domination plan is the fact that they designed the concept car left-hand-drive from the start. Nice marketing strategy; now anyone who is in the market to purchase a grand tourer in the next year or two can wait for the GT-R to show up finally on their LHD shores.

Retractable active aero spoiler. Interesting. I can't help but get a feel of Ferrari from the tail end.

The rear end reminds me so much of the 550 Maranello and 456GT. But hey, that's not really a bad thing. I don't think that Nissan should lengthen the hood though. That will make the GT-R will look more like a high speed touring GT akin to the Aston Martin Vanquish, 550 Maranello, and the like. The other reason is that it doesn't need a longer hood. Those other cars have V12s, but the GT-R will probably have a V6. A longer hood just means more weight, which was always the fatal flaw of previous GT-Rs.

I know that's what a lot of people didn't want the GT-R to turn into, but I wouldn't mind. As long as it's still fast.:D

That front is a little unpleasant, IMO.
But it is very good overall.
I added the 5th choice, cuz' it was what I thought, and some here also seem to think.

I am sad that it might lose the I6, and a lot of its heritage. Only time will tell what will happen to this GT-R. It shows promise, and it is EXCELLENT that it will be sold here.

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dang! is nice. a NEW gtr, for us. finally. only one thing i'd lose....the black stripe. its missing a intercooler. just picture a massive ic filling the black space under the nissan logo, then it will all come together.

i like it exactly the same minus stripe, just hope power and drivetrain impress me as much as well.

"the gtr got the green light"
:cry: :toothless :D

GT-R Concept have a high drag rate. The G35 sedan only had a .27 this box shape front end will probaly result in .37 which is extra load to carry for the engine.

.37??:eek: A 1992 Ford Explorer has a .43, so I think .37 is a little much. Maybe not though (A 911 GT2 has .34 or so)

The R35 Concept has a more boxy shaped than R34. It's like a windblocker when you are driving.

Look at the GM Precept. It doesnt look too aerodynamic, but it has a .16 Cd.

BTW i like those wheels too, nice design

and i don't think the car is boxy, i think it looks efficient, high stability at high speed.

wondering when the first pics or even movie's will show up of the R35 taking a spin on the Nurburgring.....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Da Hawxxx

and i don't think the car is boxy,


i too thinks the shape has spent some time in a wind tunnel. the rear of the car looks funny, the back reminds me of a 1980s cadillac eldorado, especially the small fins along the tail sides. me thinks it has functionality.



i trust nissan will not dissappointment

Daymmmmm Igor!! Great catch! :D I think most posters must pay close attention to your quote:

This concept car is well... ' 'different' ' .. I doubt this is how the production version will look, but this car does have something special in it. Let's hope for the best!

That sums it up. You can see where they are going with it and even at that it still is eye-catching even as a concept.

The concept looks good but not quite as kick-ass as I hope it would be. Would love to own one though - then I could park it beside my R33 and see which one attracts more attention!;)
BTW, I noticed the hood is not as long as the 32/33/34. Possibly a sign of a V engine configuaration rather than the 6 in line. If that is so, the 32/33/34 will forever be legends and as time goes by, these models will be worshipped like no others. Hmmm....looks like my 33 will stay for a long long time to come!

I have to admit that it's not as cool as I hoped it would be. It just strays too far from the original Skyilne GT-R concept which was basically a hot rodded Skyline. Now it's its own model. I would rather have an R32, R33 or R34, which in the US would still get more attention IMHO.

I'm not really a fan of the way it looks, I wish they made it more like the R-34... But all you have to say is Skyline, or GTR, and I'm there.:)

There is just something about it i dont like. I cant place just what it is. I love the way they are sticking witht the configuration of the tail lights. Needs a small spoiler and a little more detail along the finders and front.

I see a lot of the old vintage Skylines within the R35. The tail lamps and the rear raked roof line remind me of the Ken and Mary and the front/sides look very similar to the 350ZX. I like it. I think to really appreciate it, one needs to be familiar with the entire lineage of the Skyline family. I've seen the Skyline when it first came out in '69 (I'm 36), and I remembered saying how the similar it was to the American muscle cars, as far as looks were concerned but with a Euro flair (I moved back to Japan when my father took orders to Sasebo, Japan). We can make all kinds of inferences to it, but I think we should just be happy that Mr. Carlos Ghosn (CEO Nissan) has made the push to make GT-R a world thing, and not just a Japan thing.:) I've read various articles since this past weekend that the GT-R is coming here to the US, and then I've read articles where it was called "under heavy consideration". It's about time that we get what we want, and that is fun, driving pleasure with HP to back it up. Hopefully, Mr. Ghosn has heard us.

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RACER 20 : Don't you go buying any car yet. Wait for the R35. I think it smokes.

igor@af,

i'm the one who posted the pic.
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ok, here's the scoop, nothin exciting really. my name is Dennis Salnikov, i'm a transportation design student at CCS in detroit. the photo is of my clay model, that i built last (school) year. i attempted to redesign the skyline, for my own self, just cause i'm so in love with the car. after i was done, a buddy and i decided to throw a few pix of it up on a couple online forums, to see the public reaction. of course, EVERYONE'S A CRITIC, and it got torn apart. but come on, it was my first clay model!! :mad: i put my heart and sould into building that thing, and personally, i like it. the funny thing is that it has some similarity with the official GTR concept that just came out. i was really surprised and actually pretty happy to hear the comments everyone made about how similar the two were. but anyways, thats the deal. here's a couple more pix, go ahead, rip into it...!!

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Nice work, Skyline R35. How big is it?

thnx a lot medici78! its a 5th scale model, so its a little under 3 feet long. :)

Dude Nissan owes you more than a few bucks for your ideas........Looks like payday is coming early....

Skyline R35 : YO MUN!! I LOVE U'R DESIGN!!! KICKS ASS!! :frog:

sKYLINE r35: YOUR THE MAN! You mustbe a genius! Hmmm...I see a huge design proprietary case coming up soon.:D :cool: ;) :bandit: :sun: :flash: :licker: :smoker2:

R33: that woud require a LOT of photochopping to make all those pics.
The odd mirrors are explained by the designers trying differnt mirrors on each side of the car to see how they look.
Iv seen spy photos of cars with differnt wheels on each side, or even painted different colours on each side.
The car shown is clearly a non-running mock up maybe not even to full scale made just to keep people interested untill the official show car comes out, and then the final production car.


Skyline R35: I like your design better than Nissans, its much cleaner.

and remember guys, the car will probobly change a lot from those pics.
It still has to be based on this:

Moppie: The Skyline and the GTR are two completely different cars now. The GTR will not be based on the Skyline in any shape or form. Expect the GTR to have its own chassis or share one with the 350Z. Also expect a VG35DETT to power it.

The proposals on GT-R engine type are still in the air. I've heard in Japan about a detuned variant of the R390 V8 to the retention of the RB26DETT. What I do know is that Nissan is not retiring the RB26DETT (I'm in the business). It may come out as an option in Japan, akin to Altezza engine choice between 3SGE BEAMS motor and the 2JZGE variant (3SGE is most popular and has 95% support of aftermarket industry; in-line 6 for Altezza does not). The export version is going to be based a lot on current emissions standards, especially in the US. It could go either way. Hopefully, the trend will not dictate what the North American market gets (less powerful engine; has been that way historically), if the North American market gets it at all. I am hoping that whatever variables Mr. Ghosn and his staff are looking at, that the variables are in favor of GT-R coming to North America. Personally, I like the RB26DETT, and yes, it will fit. Anything else will be a pain in the a$$ to work on with very limited room. I can imagine that you'd need a trained moneky to access areas where humans could not without completely removing the engine. Heh! Heh!

Dale
SKR Performance

1985 Toyota Corolla GTS (coupe and hatchback)
1997 Toyota Supra TT 6MT
1995 Nissan 180SX
Formerly 1992 Skyline GT-R and 1996 Skyline GT-R

Dale, welcome to AF and your post is very much appreciated... made my jump up for a second :) ... I was hoping that RB26DETT isn't going to get killed, and you confirmed it. That's really great news.

Arigatou :)
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hey Dale. What do you think of an RB30DETT? An extra .4L?

I have seen a better photo of the R35 on another forum and now it makes more sense. The huge black portion in front in Igor's pics looks terribly out of proportion because the bumper dividing the upper portion and the lower portion is also painted black and not silver. So that portion looks really awful!

Originally posted by GTR-33
Moppie: The Skyline and the GTR are two completely different cars now. The GTR will not be based on the Skyline in any shape or form. Expect the GTR to have its own chassis or share one with the 350Z. Also expect a VG35DETT to power it.

Yes, and no.
They will all share versions of the same engine.
(as well as not post by Shin-Kai Racing regarding the RB26DETT)
and so will all use the same basic platform underneath.

Nissan was in a lot of trouble before Renult took over, and it was determined that one of the causes of that trouble was the excess of different platforms that Nissan used for its cars.
Renult quickly changed this, moving from I thinnk at least 12 different platforms down to only 5.
Nissan simply can't afford to build the new Z, the skyline and the GTR on different RWD/4WD platforms, so they will all have to share the same basic layout. (and just reskin the body to suit the 3 differnt models to with in the limitations of the platform.)

Personally, I think they should be able to make a GT-R profitable. Look at the Honda S2000, 5000 cars and making money. SO it can be done.

hey guys, thnx a lot for the positive feedback. :) the first time i posted the pix with the help of my buddy, it got torn to shreds. well thats it, just wanted to say thanks!! :D

Originally posted by Chris
Personally, I think they should be able to make a GT-R profitable. Look at the Honda S2000, 5000 cars and making money. SO it can be done.

You do know that Honda doesn't earn money by producing S2000. The R&D money is re-gained when other models uses some of the technology developed for S2000. Last year Honda sold almost 10000 S2000 so much about the 5000 a year plan. The market was mostly in the US market whereas rest of world have turn cold.

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You didn't happen to post it on Superhonda did you? I saw those pics about 6 months ago. By the way you should go apply at Nissan.

i dont like those wheels

yeah, i think we did post some pix of my friend's model on that site, mine might have been there as well. his was an acura concept, here's a shot, the quality of the pic isnt as good tho....

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about my wheels, well, i should have came up with my own design, i know... but i'm in love with the TE37's, so i tried to replicate those..

Everything is under speculation. It is true that Nissan was in trouble prior to the buy-in by Renault (60-40 split). To say that they got in trouble mainly due to different platforms is not all true. A lagging economy, worser than the US (review economics in Japan since the economic bubble burst during the late 80s) more than likely accelerated decline in profit margins in all sectors. We witnessed unprecedented layoffs (unheard of before), bankruptcies by major firms, major corporate scandals, improper management and mismanagement, etc. What came about from 1997 to present during the aftermath is more relaxation of foreign firms operating in Japan, making it more hospitable to foreign corporate takeovers/buyouts/bailouts of what had been traditionally Japanese-owned business. We saw that with the heavy influx of banking/investment powerhouses, like Merrill-Lynch and the introduction of Citibank. In summary, there aren't that many big Japanese businesses left that aren't co-managed/co-invested by foreign money and management teams. With that came new ideas (thinking outside the box; efficiency assessments, et al) and the push for efficiency in areas that can most benefit from it (shedding off tired platforms, eradicating holdover depts where automization can do the job, harnessing new technology, etc.) Nissan is in that mode now.

As to chassis sharing, Nissan has been sharing chassis with many of their lines previous to the Renault marriage. Case in point is the S13/S14/S15 line, whether it be Silvia/180SX. Also, let's look at the Skyline family- plain old Skyline, Skyline GT, Skyline GTS-t, and GT-R. Even the Stagea (stationwagon on steroids) shared the same chassis. Leopard and Laurel. We can go on and on. It should also be stated that all of the cars have shared popularity with many segments of the Japanese market, and that the market analysis folks in Japan have done a great job on finding out what the customers on their home turf want.

In summary (again), everybody is on the efficiency trip (as should be; an edict to good business practice). Moppie, I agree with you on the sharing of same basic underlying platform and reskinning. Anything else is merely speculation. Good business practice also tells you don't shoot your show-winning horse (GT-R sales have always been good), and don't try to feed your specialized market what you feed to the mases (GT-R isn't meant for everybody; never was) or you soon lose them to someone else (BMW M3). We in Japan have not been told RB26DETT is a dead option, and Junya across the street at Nissan Red Stage in Nagatsuta (got a kick-a$$ JTCC R34 in the showroom) tells me likewise.

Dale
SKR Performance

Well, they certainly kept this one quiet! The surprise star of last week's Tokyo Motor Show was Nissan's next-generation GT-R sports car. Only hours before its debut, the company wouldn't confirm its supercar was waiting in the wings.
But with the silver paintwork barely dry, Nissan president Carlos Ghosn unveiled the flagship concept. Rest assured it will be built, and when it hits Europe, probably in two years, will be badged GT-R. The familiar Skyline name won't appear as that's reserved for a four-door model, the 300 GT. That goes on sale in the US next year and should come to Europe in 2003.

As with previous GT-Rs, the latest model has a huge front airdam and grille, plus Ferrari-style tail lights. Other features, including the headlights, are from Nissan's 350Z coupé. The company remained tight-lipped about mechanical details, and there may be a good reason for that. The GT-R will face tough competition from Japanese rival Honda, which is set to replace the NSX with a new model that may be powered by the hi-tech petrol/electric hybrid system used by the Dual Note car seen in last week's issue. Rumours are rife that Nissan plans an electrically assisted mechanical set-up for the

GT-R, as this would beat Japanese engine output rules by using electric power. Lightweight motors mounted in the wheel hubs will not only increase output, but also aid traction. On a more conventional note, a company source hinted that in place of the current

GT-R's 2.6-litre straight-six, the newcomer will boast a tuned version of the 350Z's 3.5-litre V6 with twin-turbos pumping out more than 400bhp. The computerised four-wheel drive of the current model remains, and a seven-speed CVT gearbox is planned.

source: autoexpress.co.uk

again... nothing but speculation

Good point Da Hawxxx with regards to the electrical hybrids. As everyone knows with the current Japanese law of 280hp max from the factory, using electrical assistance is a loophole. Of course, I am certain with the right tuning, the petrol side of the house can be tapped for more horses, but then again, doing that could potentially upset the balance between the electrical side and the petrol side. What do I know, I'm not an electrical engineer.I suppose we are at the dawn of a new era of tuning. I know that the electrics do kick a$$, as witnessed at Pikes Peak (you don't need to take into consideration the atmosphere, etc when running on electric) when the electrical entrants just wailed on the forced induction guys.

I suppose someone versed in the area of hybrids could help shed light on this subject.

Dale
SKR

Just had a thought about the engine choice discussion...

Nissan is really proudly pushing their 'front-midship' (FM) configuration, where the engine is located behind the front suspension, but in front of the driver. A V-6 would obviously fit well into such a small sandwiched space (and hence the short hood length) but wouldn't an RB inline-6 negate this whole FM promotion? Yes, it would fit (if a V-8 can be shoehorned into a Miata, then this can be done) but the balance and weight distribution of the car would change.

Nissan's new Altimas, 350Zs, Stageas, and G35/Skyline GTs all use the same new corporate chassis from the XVL concept car, and all use the same VQ-series motor. The GT-R will probably end up with the same underpinnings, mechanical and structural, but with reinforcements and power adders for 'GT-R duty'. And that's not a bad thing at all. The RB was heaven-sent, but the VQ is a really nicely developed powerplant, as well.

GT-R isn't meant for everybody; never was BY Shin-Kai Racing

Good point, guess it's soo true......... GT-R just isn't ment for me ;)

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
Good point Da Hawxxx with regards to the electrical hybrids. As everyone knows with the current Japanese law of 280hp max from the factory, using electrical assistance is a loophole.

Its not a LAW. Its a voluntary gentlemens agreement with in the manufactors. There is nothing stopping them from breacking it, and its pretty common knowledge that if you dyno a R34 GTR, or a 22B inpreza, or a new WRX STI or an EVO VII you will find there more than 280hp at the crank.
Even the NSX has 300hp in its latest form.

tell that to the guys at autoexpress, feeling kinda offended

Originally posted by Da Hawxxx
tell that to the guys at autoexpress, feeling kinda offended

:confused: Don't be offened by it, its a common miss conception.

Ooooh kay, Moppie. I guess my being a half-Japanese native who works and lives part of the year in Yokohama and with the automotive aftermarket parts folks doesn't qualify my statement that 280hp is all that you will see posted as for hp figures on an all petrol-powered performance car you buy off the lot in Japan without doing the aftermarket tuning you need to crack open the bottle to unleash the dormant hps lying in wait (a lot of words there).

Explain it to me when I take my car to the Land Tax Office (LTO) for inspection and they nail me for for anything posted over 280 on the dyno that I didn't give them knowledge of beforehand (mandatory requirement of taking your car to the LTO for any mods done over factory). A gentlemen's agreement, you say.

There's no law for being over 280hp, but you better damn sure take your car in to have the shaken (paperwork) adjusted and pay your fees for the change or you will be penalized. I don't agree with it, but it is the law.

Dale
SKR Performance

Then how does Honda explain a 300hp NSX?
I think your getting confused with having a factory car with 300hp and having a modified car that used to have say only 250hp and now has 350hp.
The factory car with more than 280hp is quite legal, but the car modified from stock needs the extra paperwork.
Otherwise how does Ferrari sell cars there? or does this law only a apllie to the domestics? In which case how do you explain the R35s and EVO VII all having more than 280hp at the flywheel? (which I have seen on standard cars imported here.)

There is no law that says the manufactures have to keep their cars under 280hp (it is a gentlemans agreement). However if you have a car with hp over what the manufacture has listed then you have to pay a tax on it. Now that is law.

No matter what country taxes are taxes and they are a part of the lab:(

Originally posted by R35
There is no law that says the manufactures have to keep their cars under 280hp (it is a gentlemans agreement). However if you have a car with hp over what the manufacture has listed then you have to pay a tax on it. Now that is law.


Thank, you. You put it far clearer than I could.

It been prophersied in most of the magazines that the gentlemans agreement won't last much longer.
Technology has reached a point where 280hp is too easy to each, and they are getting tired of just smothing out the Torqie curve.
I would expect the new GTR to be in the 300hp+ range, and that all the other manufactors will follow suit.
The age of the true Japanese super car is about to be upon us, everything before was just getting the technology sorted, and preparing the market palce for cars that will be able to compete head to head with the greats like Ferrari and porshe not only in terms of measured performance (which they now come pretty close to) but also in terms of driver involvment, and in asthetic apeal. (which is something the likes of Ferrari have always been best at).
Only the Japanese cars will be cheaper, more reliable and more avliable to the masses. (alibit the rich ones. :D )

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
Personally, I like the RB26DETT, and yes, it will fit. Anything else will be a pain in the a$$ to work on with very limited room. I can imagine that you'd need a trained moneky to access areas where humans could not without completely removing the engine. Heh! Heh!

Dale
SKR Performance



I like the new concept. It needs a RB26DETT. Besides, this is the engine that powers all GTRs. A V6 just doesn't seem right. Maybe it's just me. I hope Nissan sticks with its 1000+HP capable motor. :toothless

About the 280 gentlemen rule, i don't know much, but i know that the BMW's M3's stock is 333, and m5's are 394, so they aren't really agreeing to it. Also, all the AMG Benz are more than 300, around 300-370 maybe. The Lexus GS is also at the 300 hp mark, but those cars are heavy....so i guess that cancels out. Still, i hope it will be more than 280....

This is what I remember however if I am wrong then please correct me.

Basically it states this; The Japanese government doesn't want Japanese manufacture to advertise cars with over 280ps. For many reasons such as environmental and safety etc. However it doesn't mean they can't produce cars over 280ps. All the japanese supercars have over 280ps.
There has been 3 cars that have broken this mutal agreement. One was a limited amount Skyline race car that had 400+hp. The other being Honda NSX. The last one happen recently with the introduction of Nissan Cima(Q45). Traditonally Japanese manufacture have complain because rest of the world's supercar doesn't get effected by this mutal agreement. One of their concerns was being shorthanded on marketing. Dodge etc could market the Viper for it's full 450hp while Japanese manfucature can't.

Also one more thing there is another way around the 280ps Gentleman agreement which is through eletric motors. That's why you see Nissan and Honda making hybrid concept supercars. The hp generate from electric motor doesn't have to be included in the 280ps. Therefore allowing the Japanese manufacture to change their marketing to better position themselves.

The German manufactors also have a gentle agreement right? stock cars won't pass 250 km/h ( about 160 m/h i believe ) only Porsche is breaking that agreement, i believe AMG and M too.

I think the german agreement only applies to sedans, and lesser models. (if there is such a thing) Mostly for cars that dont have the areodynamics for extremly high speed travel.
Its more to stop them getting in trouble if people get carried away and fly off the road at 300kmh in thier new 540i :)

To clarify my point- when I bought my R32 GT-R (new), as well as my R33 GT-R (new) (both gone from the stable now), hp rating on the paperwork was 280hp. Yes, I do agree, there was plenty more underneath the hood, and I don't think myself or the dealer were fooled by paper hp rating. As R35 states and as I stated, anything done to extract the additional ponies trapped underneath the guise of say, emissions control, etc. must be documented and paperwork must be filed with LTO in Japan to stay legal. I found out the hard way as a dumba$$ just once (isn't it funny how your friends never say anything to you with regards to a hazard until after the fact? Everyone's a critic/subject matter expert on things that don't happen to them), but I didn't go down that road again with my pants down.

At this point, I think we're flogging a dead horse.

Here's something interesting to read:

Sure, many in Japan still do mods and don't document, but these are the same guys who go through the painstaking measures of removing all aftermarket goodies and reinstalling the OEM pieces prior to inspection in order to try to get by on the cheap. These same guys end up going back through the effort of removing the OEM pieces and then reinstalling the aftermarket stuff. As of late, the omari-san (police)have been roving around in packs with roadblock stuff and a van full of tools and corraling the late night car meet folks and doing on the spot inspections on cars (don't try to haul a$$; you will get chased down by the guys on superbikes). Cars found with undocumented mods have the mods removed there right on the spot courtesy of the cop-provided "detuning" staff. If your car is rendered immobile, oh well, you get fined for that, the illegal mod and you get to also pay the tow fee and the impound fee, as well as your court fees. The reason for the crackdown is because of the increase in vehicle/vehicle-related deaths found mostly with modded cars, stupid bench racers, wangan runners who can't judge the inversely proportional relationship of speed/distance/time and stationary/slow-moving objects.

Dale
SKR

Dont you hate it when dumbasses are stupid and ruin it for the rest of us???
Look at Germany. on the Autobahn, there are less deaths per distance travelled than on the Interstates, or on average all the country's roads.
And they drive up insurance rates, etc,etc, :(

and a seven-speed CVT gearbox is planned

CVT's dont have gears, they are CONTINOUSLY VARIABLE. You may be able to select certain 'ratios' (belt length and pulley size), but it is not REALLY gears.

7-sp? wow

In Malaysia, it's always easy to mod a car and get it approved by the authority. No fixed rule. But as far as I know certain things are not allowed namely, engine swaps may be made but engine mounting muat be the same - no welding etc. The general rule is that the safety aspects must also be improved proportionately to the increase ion power ie brakes must be chaneged, suspension upgraded. Noise level from the exhaust is also limited to a certain dB.
But hell, enforcement is so lacking over here that almost all modded cars do not have approval:D As opposed to the Japanese authorities, the authority over here can't for their life differentiate a turbo from a air filter:hehehe: All they know is whether an exhaust is too loud or the spoiler is too big or whether the tinted glass is too dark! And to them the fastest car on the planet is a Porsche! Everytime you are stopped for speeding you will be asked "can this car go any faster than a Porsche?" If you go to the station to pay your fine, the officer will ask "is your car a Porsche?". The other day I was filling up at a petrol kiosk and 2 officers came and asked "is this a Skyline? Is it faster than a Porsche?" (that was an improvement because they actually know it is a Skyline! But the Porsche question will always be there!!:eek:
Some of them can be cheeky. My friend was stopped in his F355 doing about 160kph (1oomph) and the officer asked why he was not doing 260kph like a Porsche!
So, if you drive a Porsche here, your the king and won't be stopped for anything!

Originally posted by R33
In Malaysia, it's always easy to mod a car and get it approved by the authority. No fixed rule. But as far as I know certain things are not allowed namely, engine swaps may be made but engine mounting muat be the same - no welding etc. The general rule is that the safety aspects must also be improved proportionately to the increase ion power ie brakes must be chaneged, suspension upgraded. Noise level from the exhaust is also limited to a certain dB.
But hell, enforcement is so lacking over here that almost all modded cars do not have approval:D As opposed to the Japanese authorities, the authority over here can't for their life differentiate a turbo from a air filter:hehehe: All they know is whether an exhaust is too loud or the spoiler is too big or whether the tinted glass is too dark! And to them the fastest car on the planet is a Porsche! Everytime you are stopped for speeding you will be asked "can this car go any faster than a Porsche?" If you go to the station to pay your fine, the officer will ask "is your car a Porsche?". The other day I was filling up at a petrol kiosk and 2 officers came and asked "is this a Skyline? Is it faster than a Porsche?" (that was an improvement because they actually know it is a Skyline! But the Porsche question will always be there!!:eek:
Some of them can be cheeky. My friend was stopped in his F355 doing about 160kph (1oomph) and the officer asked why he was not doing 260kph like a Porsche!
So, if you drive a Porsche here, your the king and won't be stopped for anything!

so what do you drive?

As stated in his story, R33 drives an R33 GTR.....

So if you drive a Porsche they won't give you speeding tickets?

Put a sticker on your R33 that says: 'I EAT PORSCHE'S FOR BREAKFAST'

;)


But ehm, lil'question, have someone seen the concept GTR in REAL life?

It can be just as bad over here. People think Vipers are the masters of the universe. They also think hummers are bitchin-fast.
One guy thinks his Ford Power Stroke is super-fast. He had the dumbassedness (can we make that a word??) to suggest it would be faster than a 200hp 323 GTX (0-60 in low 6s). Oh well. Life goes on:rolleyes:

Welcome to my world Chris, I live in kentucky and if I was lucky enough to have a GTR here, people would pull up next to me in trucks with glasspacks and rev it up. Also all the wanna be street racers in camerys with no mods accept for a tip big enough to fit my head into would pull up and try to run me. Oh well, to bad I don't have a GTr or I'd spank um all :D

lmao Gonthrax. I know the feeling---I'm in Tulsa, OK. I'd have a bunch of hicks w/ their glasspacks in their 1970 Ford Pickups trying to rev at me! They'd probably think I was driving a "kit-car" or something. There are so many people here that I do SCCA racing with that don't know what the Skyline GT-R is. I've even been asked what model of Honda my 240SX is! Damn this state sucks when it comes to cool cars.

well guys if i could actually modify my car i would because it only has 69 bhp and a top speed of 100 mph.... my sentra can however eat old minivans for lunch and compete with grandma anyday:D i might just go and have an identity crisis and put a GT-R emblem on the front grille and try to pass it off as an R-31...people where i live don't know about Skylines other than the ones in Gran-Turismo...then i'd see my car on the home page of www.beaterz.com or something

69 hp, stunning!

I so want a crappy-looking car, so I can blow away hicks in trucks. That would taste soooo sweet.

and the bad thing is that before i thought that it had at least 105 bhp or something:o

Well, maybe the massive carbon deposits in the engine has bumped the compression, helping you to make a little more power:D

true i need a tuneup and maybe some NOS(N2O) in there to make it fast...could also be that it's a 2 door lightweight sedan....i wonder does anybody have a modified 1988 Nissan Sentra around here? :D

Hey folks-

I was talking to Nissan insiders this past weekend (in Japan), and I am convinced that we're going to see the RB26DETT for a long time. I know there are folks out there who will say otherwise, but we shall see.

Dale
SKR Performance

Located somewhere under the sun

Thats good to hear:)

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
Hey folks-

I was talking to Nissan insiders this past weekend (in Japan), and I am convinced that we're going to see the RB26DETT for a long time. I know there are folks out there who will say otherwise, but we shall see.

Dale
SKR Performance

Located somewhere under the sun

Weren't they testing a 3.5L TwinTurbo engine? It was said to put out in excess of 400+hp.

Car manufacturers always have something going on with design/test of things such as engine platforms, structures, ergonomics. Playing with these does not necessarily mean that is what we'll see as a production model/option. In the automotive industry, things are designed and tested oftentimes 2-3 years in advance prior to any release. This allows them to do many types of analysis, such as cost, efficiency, durability, drive-to-failure, etc. The RB26DETT is a proven platform. If they modify it in anyway, add new features, etc., it would not surprise me.

I'm just happy to hear that the US is "under heavy consideration" for the GT-R. Off the record, I think foreign car makers have realized that the US is ready for performance-based vehicles on par with what is in Japan and Europe. We have demonstrated over the past 10 years that we are worthy and can support the burgeoning sports car market. I think the next move needs to come from our banking sector to bring about a 10-12 year car loan that will allow most of us to obtain financing to be able to buy what each of us thinks is the best out there. If the Japanese and Euro carmakers see this, we will see more from them. Of course we have DOT to contend with, but we've all have lived with DOT for years. So what if my R35 will carry an additional 250-300 pounds of stuff the DOT deemed was necessary to ensure my safety and the safety of the environment, as long as you don't give me the "second best option".

Dale
SKR

Made a video of what I saw at the Tokyo Motor Show 2001:

www.TokyoDV.com/motorshowvideo

There's a clip of the GT-R, but my favorite is the Benz F400..

Enjoy when you have time..

Freedom

Those were good, thanks!:flash:

TokyoDv, I love you man, those were excellent videos! Especially those Dunlop girls singing and dancing to my favorite Puffy song, "Nagisa ni matsuwaru etc"! Priceless! Kani tabe ikou...

The Merc looks like a batmobile. The BMW M3 CSL can't be beat.

Jinushuan,

I'm glad you liked them!.. I tried to capture that uniquely Japanese cute and cuddley feel.. The Dunlop Girls tippify that..

Thanks again for the feedback!

TokyoDV

www.TokyoDV.com

You know what would be a great idea, visiting the major international car shows: Frankfurt, Tokyo, and Detroit. And maybe New York as well. I plan to do this in the near future (after college?). Maybe I'll time my BMW purchase and do a European delivery to match the Frankfurt show. :D

I've even been asked what model of Honda my 240SX is! Damn this state sucks when it comes to cool cars.

96SECHICK, I know what you mean. I live in Norman, OK and I have had about a dozen people ask me what kind of Honda or Acura my car is. To top it off, one of the people who asked owned an SE-R. I think that it is because around hear people think that the only car imported from Japan is a civic. I have pointed out to several people that Toyota and Lexus are the same but they still think that a Lex is European.

Damn redneck hillbillies.

Originally posted by G20t Driver
Damn redneck hillbillies.

LMAO. I agree with you sooooo much on that one!!! :bandit:

Ugh, are there still parts of the U.S. stuck in the stone age? Where I used to reside near one of the Southern California import racing heartlands, this problem had finally passed on by the mid-90's, but I guess there are still some areas lacking. I even remember a cop once long ago referring to my 200SX as a 'modified Honda'. These days in my area, cops can pick out everything from a J-spec front clip converted Integra, to legal Greddy exhaust systems.

WE are behind the stone age! It can be utterly pathetic. Which can be good (if I rip out a cat, they will be none the wiser!:D )

Yes, some people around here are still in the Stone Age. Namely, the ones that drive 70's and 80's pickup trucks and camaros(that would also be the majority of the cops). Cops here are pretty dumb, you could do anything to your car and tell them it came that way. Turbochargers were once illegal here if it didn't come on the car stock, but since there were more and more production cars with turbos they couldn't tell if it was stock or not. They finally legalized it and found other dumb things to ticket for.

About the Skyline concepts, I believe that all the concepts are quite overwhelming to all of us. We all love the new looks and also dislike them, but I believe if Nissan has created the great cars we have right now, that we do not have to worry about the new generation of Skyline's coming out in the near future. Unless they start to go and make it into an economy car. Then we have the right to be upset...

The original skyline had 4 doors, and was really a POS (This was 30 some years ago, though).

For those interested, you can find some official info on the Infiniti G35 from the Infiniti website at www.infiniti.com.

:coolguy: :coolguy:

The rear end looks different and something about the front... Does not scream Skyline. Screams "I'm a redesigned Maxima". Sorry, just my thoughts.

Dale
SKR

I'm siding with S-K. It's NOT a Skyline GT-R. It looks like Nissan took some leftover sheet metal, hammered it together, welded it up, and said 'hey, let's make this hunk into a car.'

It being the Skyline, you know that it's going to be their most powerful car, period. There's no option otherwise, unless they want to KILL the Skyline. It has a reputation.

Now, people were screaming "IT'S COMING TO THE US" over the LHD. Allow me to point something out - LHD is optional in Australia, there are still some Asian countries which are LHD or allow LHD, and all of Germany is and remains LHD. Not to mention Mexico and some countries south of the US. In short, LHD does not directly equate to US market.

Besides, we ALL know what happens if it comes to the US market. It'll be de-balled to pass emissions, making it another target for Corvettes. Which will let the scam-artist import companies make a bundle selling stupid pieces to at least make it look 'faster.' *sigh*

Why can't they just leave the body alone and make improvements to the chassis?! I *LIKE* the four door R34! :P

There is no R35 Skyline - it's called the V35; cos of the V6 engine I guess.

The GTR concept is not a Skyline, and won't be even when/if it enters production - it's just retaining the GTR name, not the Skyline name.

The bit that implies that Nissan will market it in the US isn't the fact that the concept car is LHD - it's the fact that on the Nissan website it talks about widening the market: "Nissan will continue building the GT-R in the 21st Century, providing the ultimate driving pleasure to even more people worldwide. In its next generation Nissan is looking to introducing the GT-R in other markets worldwide."

The V35 is the Skyline GT sedan. The chassis designation for the GT-R should still be undisclosed to the public, but who cares, it's not wrong to call it R35; after all a concept is a concept--nothing's etched in stone just yet.

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
The rear end looks different and something about the front... Does not scream Skyline. Screams "I'm a redesigned Maxima". Sorry, just my thoughts.

Agreeable, but I believe that's what Carlos Ghosn actually wants. He has stated time and again that the current cars from Nissan are technologically acceptable, but far too uninspiring in appearance. To most of us the R34 GT-R is one of the most aggessive looking cars, but if you compare the body to the competition, it does look somewhat dated, and like a family car (hence the presence of the sedan counterpart). You don't see a sedan Supra or NSX sharing body lines with a sedate sedan sibling in the lineup.

Now the GT-R concept shows the huge difference between the sedan and coupe bodies. They even went as far as to create a somewhat fastback design on the GT-R to distinguish itself. Therefore, it makes sense that the concept doesn't "scream Skyline". Kind of sad, but not unreasonable.

Well I think the what Nissan did to the awesome Skyline GTR is just unforgivable. They should have all their collective asses removed!

To take one of the monsters of the east and turn it into some sort of freak just is not on!

I say ship every last one of them to the States or where ever. Even if I were to come into a complete winfall, I would NEVER own a piece of s*it like that! Nissan can stick that whole car right up thier arses and I will be more than happy to draw them a map. :flipa:

The might Nissan Skyline GTR dies when the R34 is out of production. What a shame.

Razorgst, move on, square cars went out years ago. Plain and simple wind won't flow over a box. So if you want a car to perform at high speed you need soft lines.
I like it except for the head lights, I just hope that is the next model of GTR not one somewhere down the road. [look how bad the new shape falcon looked when it was released, but Criag L's one looks mean in silver race trim]

Folks-

I am glad that I am not the only one who thinks the "concept/close to reality concept" that the Infiniti site is peddling with regard to the I35 is not bursting at the seams with Skyline detail. I am comparing it to the New Skyline being sold in Japan now. I thought that the 2 would be close in resemblence (1st cousins). In my opinion, the New Altima looks more like the New Skyline, and I wouldn't be surprised if the New Altima and the New Skyline don't share more than what the PR folks at Nissan in Japan and in the US lead us on to. If they do, then this backs up Nissan's current stance of sharing chassis with a multitude of currently offered N-badged cars. Speaking of the New Altima and sharing chassis, does anyone here know if the New Altima is another name for the New Primera? They are both very very similar, and I've seen enough New Primeras up close to make an armchair call (I just need to see a New Altima in person). The New Altima is a pretty sexy design and is a refreshing change from the mundane look it had previously. With a new next generation power plant that boasts plenty of potential, I see lots of potential here for personal creativity in body and power plant.

Share your thoughts...

Dale
SKR

Teh new Primera/G20 are very likely to be based on the Altima chassis, along with a possible variant of the skyline.

Originally posted by moondog
There is no R35 Skyline - it's called the V35; cos of the V6 engine I guess.

V6 in and of itself is a mistake. The secret of the Skyline's amazing performance has largely been the I6. It's proven that an inline 6 provides a smoother powerband and smoother ride than a V6 ever will. Even one of Nissan's.

The GTR concept is not a Skyline, and won't be even when/if it enters production - it's just retaining the GTR name, not the Skyline name.

Ah, that would explain why it's godawful ugly and retains nothing of the Skyline heritage beyond slapping a GT-R badge on it. Factory rice[1]!

The bit that implies that Nissan will market it in the US isn't the fact that the concept car is LHD - it's the fact that on the Nissan website it talks about widening the market: "Nissan will continue building the GT-R in the 21st Century, providing the ultimate driving pleasure to even more people worldwide. In its next generation Nissan is looking to introducing the GT-R in other markets worldwide."

Yes, very true. But Nissan doesn't directly sell the Skyline in a number of markets currently, including most of Europe AFAIK. The statement can be taken any number of ways - which is what Nissan presumably wants. Let the consumers create the hype machine.. whichever country is loudest, gets it first. Personally, I'd rather not see this one in the states. I'd much rather shell out the $100k for a true R34 GT-R, imported, and converted to LHD and road legal status. I'm still waiting on actually SEEING the new Fairlady before I pass judgement on it, but I have a feeling it's not going to be a real Z.. it's got the look, sort-of (the front end is just all wrong, where did they think that stupid look up? Smashing a '93 Z TT into a brick wall?) and the engine, maybe. The thing that has ALWAYS made the Z the Z for me has been turbo. I don't care if it's one or two or intercooled or not. Gotta be turbo. If the Z comes over in turbo, I'm going to be putting my money down before they even start shipping. If not, well, we'll see.

It just kind of feels like Nissan's losing direction here, these days. Sure, the new Xterra supercharged monster is nice. And so's the R34. And I'm definitely liking the new Altima (except for the taillights, of course). But to kill off their crown jewel to replace it with.. this mockery? And to reintroduce the Z at the same time? I don't know. I'm not that heavily involved in it, admittedly, but I just don't like the whole scheme of things overall. :(

Darren one of the things that set the GTR apart was it's aggressive looks combined with huge performance.
You can wack a 1000 hp motor into a shit box and it is still a shit box. Just one with power.

The point is there is over kill and the R35 is it! Nissan has killed the base skyline as we know it. The R33's were a backwards move. Sales proved it. The R34 is still high priced but they are moving as well as the R33's did with that higher price tag.

The R35 looks too EURO mate, not Japanese. The GTR was not built on a platform for out right top speed. If it had been it would have had a shape like a Lambo etc. This is a 4wd monster. Look at Porche. The basic shape still is there from nearly 20 years ago, yet is as popular as ever. Why? Because German engineering knows a winner when they see it.
There needs to make improvements. Every auto manufacturer knows this and does it, but when the bean counters coming into the picture great cars die. We shall see. My bet is the R35 GTR will flop horrificly except over sea's, there it may only be marginally successful.

Razor correct me if I'm wrong. But every new model of skyline has out performed the model before, on the track. The so called aggressive looking R32 had a weak chassis compaired to the R33 and the R34 is better than the R33. You can bet Nissan aren't going to release an R35 GTR until it is a better car than an R34. People need to move out of the past and on with the future. An R32 ain't going to look to good as a vintage even if it does still run.(unless you keep it in a dehumidifed box). I'm putting off buying an R34 and waiting for the R35 to be released and you can bet there are many other people doing the same. Mind you by the time it comes out I could have warn out a R34.

Darren;

You're absolutely correct. The R33 to R34 change was almost all chassis and mechanicals. Which is what I want in the R35.. Nissan needs to focus more on the chassis. They're so near perfection it's almost scary. I think if they put a little more money into the R34 chassis, they can make perfection. THEN they can focus on the body. KEEP the chassis and mechanicals, make them perfect, THEN change the body.

Ah screw it. Throw the Skyline gear in the 300ZX, ship it to the US, and I'll shut up for a few years. :D

I beg to differ with the R33's chassis being better than the 32's. It's widely known that the Skyline had better getting 'hefty' over the years, and Nissan finally took care of that business with the R34, balancing and lightening the chassis since the sloppy R33. However, this is not to say the R33 was any worse than the R32; advances were made in other ways. I too, must agree however, that there's nothing to fear about the next GT-R. All in all, the progression of Nissan's flagship grand tourer lineage has never failed us, and we should actually be expecting something worthy of the GT-R placard.

On a side note, SCC has stated that an upcoming Infiniti GT-R will be known as "X35". Are there any other confirmations out there? Not a bad name, if you ask me...

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
I beg to differ with the R33's chassis being better than the 32's. It's widely known that the Skyline had better getting 'hefty' over the years, and Nissan finally took care of that business with the R34, balancing and lightening the chassis since the sloppy R33.

hmmm...the R34 is even heavier than the R33 :D So I don't think Nissan can have lightened it :p

The car may be heavier as a whole, but several areas of the R34 chassis has been put on diet in order to balance the weight and make it more manageable.

The same thing happened between the S14 and S15. Chassis development.

Morpheus hit the nail on the head - balance is key. The R33 to R34 changes were a lot of balance and rigidity changes. If you've got a car that's 70/30 weight ratio, f/r, it's going to suck at handling. Perfection is 50/50. IIRC, the R34 is at 52/48 or 55/45 - very nice numbers to have. There aren't many - if any - cars that can claim that kind of balance for the pricetag of a Skyline.

Darren

Whay the fuck would you even think of buying an ugly piece of shit as the GTR concept car?

Surely you have better taste than that. The original drawings that were sent around of the R35 are of a far better looking car. Why would they change to a fucked up audi,beetle,vomit combo?

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING???????:alien2:

this is much better

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I'll buy which everone comes out. Hopefully the concept car comes out with R34 or normal looking headlights. It's performance that will convince me more than the look. Someone will come out with a cool body kit for it.

i was wondering how much hp and torque do u think this sucker has ?

fair answer. I'm glad to hear your opinion of those headlights:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

About that old photo tazdev posted previously and seen elsewhere in the Skyline forum:

At first, I thought that looked far better than the current concept design, but now that I think about it (plus had some more time for the new shape to soak in) I would rather spend $40-50,000 of my money on a car with a cutting edge image. I don't know about you guys, but new stuff always seems to settle in with me after a while; you don't really want a car that looks like it was drawn up during the '90s... especially not with all the new flashy designs popping up from every automaker. But that's just me. The concept feels like you're getting some fancy italian design (focus on the unusual body lines and the Ferrari-esque rear end), with brute german power and handling (possible 6-cylinder twin turbo +AWD, like a Porsche), for the price and quality of a japanese car. Not a bad deal, if you ask me. Yeah the headlights are kind of funk, but hey, at least they are trying something new in those design studios, rather than bringing up the same crap over and over again.

Its highly likely the concept didn't have an engine at all. It would probably be 350hp or so (in real world numbers, not the 280 that is the limit in Japan. For now:devil: )

Holy shit!! The car is a work of art! I really like the new front (very cutting edge, with reflections of the new Z visible in the fascia as well), and I LOVE the rest of the car (back end perhaps a little too reminiscient of Ferrari styling, but beautiful).

I think I'm moving to Japan... ;) (I say this in spite of Nissan's stated intentions to release this car to world-wide markets, because traditionally the best versions of Japanese sports cars stay in Japan.)

i was under the impression that the R35 concepts that I have on my website were the closest to what will really be:

Here (http://www.geocities.com/the_vtec_boi)

God what did Nissan do to the Skyline... they should of kept the R34.... that was tyte.. well that's my opinion, the R35 concept car is ugly...

Nissan Japan has already announced the R35 GT-R will be hitting American shores. It will be released in 2003-2004 as the Infiniti X35... NOT to be confused with the G35 whih is replacing the G20, and is the sedan version of the R35 chassis.


the concept photos, as introduced at Tokyo Auto Salon 2001, are not of a real car shape... it was all computer generated, and was presented on video only at the show.


Nissan will be using the Fairlady/350Z platform as a base for the new GT-R, hence many body shape similarities. Nissan will also be introducing an all new powerplant for the GT-R, a naturally aspirated V8 based LOOSELY on the venerable VG30DE platform but with more displacement and horsepower. This will replace the RB26DETT powerplant that will have been in production with very little change since 1989.


As you may already know, the sedan and GT-R have been separated now... the "Skyline" going back to it's roots as a midsize sports sedan, and the "GT-R" high performance flagship.

Perhaps you should watch the video, the car is very real

Official information from Nissan. The Engine of this car will provide 502bhp. It will use a hybird Inline-6engine on some models and a hybird V8 on other models. estimated accel. 0-60 in 3.7 secs. top speed 175mph? Can anyone say bye-bye Mr. Viper?:smoka: :smoka:

Nice web site, a great collection of photos. I really dig that shot of the two RSX Type Rs. I guess the US market has to wait at least another year for the acclaimed Type R.. too bad :(

Back to the Skyline, I have heard that Nissan has big visual changes in mind for the car before it debuts here, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it looks a lot more like the prototype shots that Igor first posted.

502 is all well and good for a CONCEPT , but the real one should be 400 or so (I take back my earlier 350).

And lets take a quick look at the current GT-R:
4000lbs, aerodynamics of a brick, 280 (more like 380)hp. And it is awesome.

So imagine what it will be like with the new ones!!


Also, World of Wheels has said that the new generation will have the Skyline be a sports sedan, and the GT-R be the flagship. This relates to the NA market. Which is good, we get a BMW and Viper killer all at once!:D

what's the main issue that needs to be improved on the current skyline, besides LHD and styling?

i'm curious what you all want to see improved.

This is a foolish response, but for the US market, we need to be able to get it without having to pay to have one imported!!! I think that any iteration of the Skyline/GTR that hits our shores will be welcomed, even if it does happen to weigh 2 tons and have the aerodynamics of a brick ;)

I think this one is an older image. but grrr! hmm time to start saving pennies. ;)

:huh: WEIRD!! Hide the headlights in the above (and the badging on the grille), and it looks very much to me like an Acura RSX.

If the Skyline does get the V-8 it could be a very good thing. I've had the extream pleasure of working on the racing engine from which it would be derived. It should pack quite a punch, big torque and nice high end pull.:frog: Just hope the car retains all wheel drive.

can you name this car?

:hehe: Is this a trick question sir?? :hehe:

:D :D :D :D
no i just want to ask you what kind of GTRs this pic i think it will be R35
:D :D :D :D

old pics. old news. all wrong.

Those last two pics are photoshopped things, not real cars or concepts. I dunno where the yellow one comes from, but the 2nd one is a photoshopped R34, as far as I can make out.

The V35 Skyline is being sold now in Japan (if anybody's actually buying the ugly pos) - check www.nissan.co.jp The GTR is a concept car at this stage. It's not a Skyline any more. and there are pictures of it on www.nissan.co.jp too.

for some reason i'd rather import the car from japan... i mean come on!! infiniti?! the hell?! and on top of that X35!? wtf is on with that ?! if i want 2 buy a skyline i want to see the skyline badge on the car with a nissan emblem, not some infiniti X35....also i'm not feelin the naturally aspirated engine...turbo seems like it was made for the skyline...America always seems to hold out on us and when we finally get the car that we diserve, it gets turned into some watered down thingy that doesn't diserve the title of Skyline GT-R....watch them get rid of the all wheel drive and make it so that you can only buy it in automatic.... that's why i'd rather go 2 motorex and buy an R32- R34 or something that's the definition of skyline....kind of like godzilla.... the first godzillas were good, then when they remade it it sucked and everybody wanted the old godzilla back i mean the high end horsepower for the car is great but you can also do that with the skylines that we have now...hopefully i'll be able to buy one before it gets too late:mad:

dissapointing :( i don't like it.... especially the front :apuke:

gimme an R34 GT-R over that anyday

no the special skyline that holds dear to my heart is the R-32 Skyline GT-R the color you ask? Gun Gray Metallic- the true color of a Nissan Skyline...even have the rims in the same color..that's tight
:cool: :coolguy: :sun: :cyclops:

ooh! me too!:silly2:

Yeah the Front Grill is all Wrong not nearly as aggresive as the R34's and the head lights need to be horizontal not vertical forget all that parts bin bullshit with the new Z car. I just hope they fix that front end before they bring it here.......ahhh but u know what in the end id still buy one :)

Originally posted by PART
...forget all that parts bin bullshit with the new Z car...

If it weren't for the parts bin strategy, there wouldn't be a Nissan right now. The company was ready to fold its hand until Renault and Carlos Ghosn came to the rescue. Ghosn called for immediate reduction of personnel and equipment, including a reduction in the number of available platforms. That's where the XVL 'universal' concept came from, which led to the Skyline GT/G35, new Z, new Altima, new Stagea, and the new GT-R. Without this move, there would be no Nissan, and therefore, no GT-R.

:eek2: that is the ugliest piece of garbage Nissan has ever produced! I'm not kidding! Be it still in concept it's the ugliest thing Nissan has ever released!

even uglier than the cube?! you gotta be kiddin me:eek:

Originally posted by NIF
If the Skyline does get the V-8 it could be a very good thing. I've had the extream pleasure of working on the racing engine from which it would be derived. It should pack quite a punch, big torque and nice high end pull.:frog: Just hope the car retains all wheel drive.

I donno if its all rubbish, but I've heard talk the the V8 is a no-go for the new infinity thingy (I can't bring myself to call it a skyline). Correct me if I'm wrong, thats just what I've heard.

I know the V8 was rumored, but that's about it: rumor. Remember the endless string of rumors of bullshit info going around about the new Integra before it finally came to light? Same deal. They will talk a big game about this and that until finally (and I'll add here "thankfully") the Skyline is introduced here in the States.

The Skyline is already coming to the US. The Infiniti G35 is the new V35 Skyline - non-turbo V6 engines and all. :(

The new GTR will not be a Skyline, it's just going to be "GTR".

that's so messed up man...if i ever buy one of those things, i'm gonna friggin buy some skyline badges and place it on the car like an R-34 or something...at least make it look decent..

:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: ......dude that screams porsche not skyline

so heres the deal-
we all buy the new sentra se-r's (since they are really startin to look like the r33's and r34's)
then we tweak the hell out of the engine and put a gtr plate over the nissan symbol :evillaugh:

I have read that the price will be 50k+ do you guys think it will be sold under the Infinity label in America because of America's perception that Infinity is a more prestigious brand?

Sadly :( I'm so flattered that the rest of the world thinks we're so shallow.

i like how R35 has shorter front hood..

it pushes the front wheel closer to the bumber to provide a weight ratio closer to the 50/50

we should expect that R35 should handle better and provide a higher potential of handling better

if it looks like that, who cares if comes here! r33,r34 all the way

Bah, fuck infinity. I like it, but it's not what I'm looking for in a car. I'm looking for a S K Y L I N E. It's fine and well for what it is, but unfortinatly it is now a sporty, performance coupe, once agian we've nutered a perfictly good sportscar. Now I don't want to diss it to much, its a great looking car and I'm sure it will be mucho fun to drive, but it's just not what I want.

:wave: I'll be in NZ this time next year hopefuly with an R32 GTR if I can get a loan before I go, or mby a GTSt, depending on my financial situation.

Originally posted by 96SEChick
lmao Gonthrax. I know the feeling---I'm in Tulsa, OK. I'd have a bunch of hicks w/ their glasspacks in their 1970 Ford Pickups trying to rev at me!
My Dad lives in Tulsa... He drives a 94' NSX (hardly a pick up) And rest assured, he and his cohorts (about 8 other NSX owners in the Tulsa area) know exactly what a Skyline is.... :)


As this is my first post to this forum, I would like to throw out some big admiration for R35, and the Skyline model shown here. I also am impressed by the level of technical knowledge demonstrated on this thread, and look forward to learning from all of you in the future. Those photoshops (revised headlamps first page) are incredible.

As for the new R35 GT-R... I am in love with it just as it is. I don't need a badge to know it is a Skyline, it has all the traits. I will have one if they arrive stateside (even if I have to wait awhile and accumulate the neccessary $$$)

Phil

so uglyness and a v-6 are skyline traits? dumbass.

Originally posted by diegoaccord
so uglyness and a v-6 are skyline traits? dumbass.

LMFAO :)
Beauty is in the Eye of the beholder, and I find this to be beautiful.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/6.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/7.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/8.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/9.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/3.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/4.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/gtr/5.jpg
I reserve comment on the 4-door piece that will be called "Skyline", but I desire a GTR.

The traits I posted on were
1. Round Tailights
2. All Wheel Drive
3. undeniable recognition (The thing stands out, and it is growing on me, I think it has a mechanical beauty)
4. uncompromised performance goals (V8, V6 who gives a shit as long as it smokes my Asshole neighbors Corvette)

I like the GTR concept because it stands out, it isn't a cookie cutter car that you might see a dozen of on your way to work. I will be interested to see how the production version looks. If it loses it's individuality, I may go back to NSX shopping.

You don't have to agree, just stay out of the fast lane! :)

Phil

Ah yes, I agree, it is a masterpiece of body design. The whole things just flows, I still don't like it... J/K I do like it, but I don't think I'll ever own one.
Now what about these neat little moters they are putting up front in the wheels for torque transfer? Was that just BS or is that still on the drawing board? 'cause I wonder how hard it would be to do an engine swap in that car. Probly not to hard 'cause the wheel moters would be connected to the computer. *Sees an RB26DETT perhaps* And what about ATTESSA and HICAS? Is it gonna have them or another system of the same design but different name?

now see what i'd do with the body design is where you see the front end where the vertical headlights are, there seems to be areas where you can retrofit the car with R34 headlights,just do some bodywork to the hood and front end, and retrofit the car with R34 headlights. Then loosely referring to Gonthrax's post, take the RB26DETT twin turbo engine and swap it with that V-6....next buy some Skyline, Nissan, and GT-R emblems and replace the Infiniti and X-35 emblems with those. then the car would be perfect i'd say....hopefully it still has that all wheel drive function....

Originally posted by tazdev
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here goes

I TOTALLY agree!!!

I won't say that the new 35 is ugly, but there is something more aggressive/sporty over the R34 and the first model of the R35 instead of this new future car!!

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
About that old photo tazdev posted previously and seen elsewhere in the Skyline forum:

At first, I thought that looked far better than the current concept design, but now that I think about it (plus had some more time for the new shape to soak in) I would rather spend $40-50,000 of my money on a car with a cutting edge image. I don't know about you guys, but new stuff always seems to settle in with me after a while; you don't really want a car that looks like it was drawn up during the '90s... especially not with all the new flashy designs popping up from every automaker. But that's just me. The concept feels like you're getting some fancy italian design (focus on the unusual body lines and the Ferrari-esque rear end), with brute german power and handling (possible 6-cylinder twin turbo +AWD, like a Porsche), for the price and quality of a japanese car. Not a bad deal, if you ask me. Yeah the headlights are kind of funk, but hey, at least they are trying something new in those design studios, rather than bringing up the same crap over and over again.

Ditto

Phil

The R35 should be available in a

24 valve 3.5L V6 TwinTurbo and a
32 valve 4.5L V8

check out http://www.freshalloy.com/ for more info! :)

Originally posted by TeamNissan
The R35 should be available in a

24 valve 3.5L V6 TwinTurbo and a
32 valve 4.5L V8

check out http://www.freshalloy.com/ for more info! :)

Twin Turbo. Where did you get that info from?

the website you posted states a dohc 32 valve 4.5L V8 or a dohc 24 valve 3.5L V6 TURBO (not twin)

butt ugly..that betta not end up beign the production model.. cause if i end up gettin it iam goonna have to do some serious remodelng.. so thats why i think i probab. wont, if it remains lik that.

I like it could be a runner in europe too

HOLY SHIT It's the ugliest thing I ever seen. WTf are they thinking... God damn It's ugly.

--Happy 2002--

Ok...I'm pretty sure that Nissan intends to continue the RB26DETT engine--its a legend, just like the SR20DE(T)--plus, the "V35" is now coded G35 and will be the new G. Nissan will most likely make the Skyline an Infiniti--albeit one with alphanumeric naming--like R26 or something (interesting, eh!)--although that'll probably be rounded up/down like the 4.2litre Q45s----------->maybe R35? heh.
Reason for Infiniti on the grill...outside of Japan, and people in the import scene, and Playstation owners--how many people would consider a $50K-plus Nissan?
Also..calling it Infiniti lessens the competition between the R35 and the 350Z.
Plus, a large group of [very, very stupid] people have no idea that Infiniti is just a 'Prestige Brand' for Nissan--and would consider the Skyline over a NSX or 360 and such.
whew...done

and that's why i'd replace the infiniti badges with imported nissan badges.... might call it rice, but it's better than infiniti lemme see what sounds better nissan skyline, or infiniti....

from what I have noticed the name Infiniti has been used more in the U.S.A than anywhere else in the world (I could be wrong) and the name Nissan has been used more everywhere else in the world. Kind of like Acura and Honda.

I wold like to see the GTR keep the Nissan name because that is what I am used to. Hey if I got one (which I doubt) that had the Infiniti badge then I would put Nissan badges on it that would not be rice.

I have only seen 1 car in New Zealand with the infiniti badge and it was on a Primera which sorry to all primera owners out there (sorry Sis) is hardly in the class of a 'Prestige Brand' vehicle

naw we definately do use the "luxury" names of Infiniti, Acura, and Lexus to replace Nissan, Honda, and Toyota named cars...i have no idea why....
Nissan Primera a.k.a Infiniti G20 or so it seems
the whole situation of Acura and Honda with the NSX and the Integra
Toyota Altezza and Lexus IS300......thank goodness that Mazda, and Mitsubishi don't have any of this....although they did kill off their good sports cars(excluding the Mazda RX-8 mind you)...and Subaru..well the WRX is ok..but wish that it was as powerful as it's Japanese counterpart

I know they have done a concept car and all but they did the same thing with the R34. Lets hope that the whole thing is a sick joke and the real R35 looks a damn sight better.

If not then we should ban together and go and burn down the Nissan designers houses, all their properties and then begin on the assembly lines.

fucking stupid assess!

i'm down with that man:D that and hold them hostage till they can make my sentra run 13 sec 1/4 miles:D :D :D

Originally posted by HogieGT-R
thank goodness that Mazda, and Mitsubishi don't have any of this....

Well i'm pretty sure Mazda did have a luxury name, i forget what it was called but it flopped

and the luxury names are a REALLY smart move because nobody in north america would pay $60,000 for a Toyota, but they'd pay that much for a Lexus

it doesn't matter if a car has the same features and it's the same car, all that matters is the name, people won't pay that much simply cause it's a toyota and not a lexus.

yeah but the Japanese names sound better:(

So I emailed Nissan about the new GTR concept, and I got back a cookie cutter response about how the Skyline is too costly to modify for U.S. importation... Blah, Blah, Blah.

I gotta tell you I am liking the NSX more, and more. No hassels, and you can get a cherry used one for 35K.

I know that the Skyline is Sweet, and like anyone else into imports I lust to own one, but the frustration may just be too great. Sad but true.

Phil

Here is the family NSX in stock form... of course it looks totally different now... :)

Originally posted by tazdev


Twin Turbo. Where did you get that info from?

the website you posted states a dohc 32 valve 4.5L V8 or a dohc 24 valve 3.5L V6 TURBO (not twin)

SORRY just used to write TwinTurbo!! But you are definitely right.... :)

Originally posted by HogieGT-R
and that's why i'd replace the infiniti badges with imported nissan badges.... might call it rice, but it's better than infiniti lemme see what sounds better nissan skyline, or infiniti....

I'll go with NISSAN!! The TRUE name!! ;)

BTW what you guys think of the Bronze colored Altime on www.freshalloy.com!!?? Think it is pretty nice! :)

Just click on the picture of it on the front page and you will be taken to the article! :)

Mazda did try to push Xedos as a premium brand right?

I know that I'll catch flack but, the new "GTR" could be the best yet. The design represents a forward thinking on Nissan's part. If they didn't look forward then they would be dead or worse like GM. You may want the rb motor but all good things must eventiually come to an end. The 4.5L V8 is an awsome performer. Plus it has the distiction of being an Indy car bullet. Just like Acura owners eventually embraced the '93 Integra. So to I think we will get out of our funk.

lol:D :D :D

NAAAAWWWWWWWW........it's still ugly man i'd rather import it...The Nissan Skyline has been my dream car for way too long to accept it as an Infiniti man

when I think of a Nissan Skyline GT-R, this version might come to mind... http://www.toprpm.com/ :) :D :) :D

dont u guys think that this skyline R35 concept looks a lot like a german type of style. especially the one near the begining of this thread

i have a feeling i'm gunna be callin up motorex for an R34 in a couple years :D

i am gonna have to agree wit u gang$tarr

geez man
sometimes it sucks living in the west
like someone said earlier in the post. we want a specific type of car...we cant get it. when the car comes...it sucks. i hate this. why cant we all just have the same car. its that simple.
for example the lancer. we all wanted one...we cant get it. when it does come...its slower than a turtle. and the styling is ugly in my perspective.

i like tyhe design of the evo vii.. but they best not detune it when it comes to america.. i hate that.. WHY THE HELL DOES THE U.S. have all this horseshit rules on imports and stuff.. damned bastards.. the reason is so we end up buyin an american POS. i mean to bring a mclaren (a million dollar car) into america its hell!.. ud think that a million dollar car would be perfect and can make everyone happy.. but nooo..

America alwayz rapes cars of their goodies b4 selling em..and the ones they dont sell are the nice ones! :crying:

Originally posted by Da Hawxxx
Mazda did try to push Xedos as a premium brand right?

I believe in the early-mid-90's Mazda started a brand called Amati or Amita or something, and it included the 929 and a lux vers. of the 626...but it was presented on a autoshow showroom floor and never made it past that.

also...is it just me, or does the new Evo. VII look a lot like a hopped up 2001 Accord?

In my opinion, I think that it's some kind of conspiracy sent out to us by America's Government. They want us to buy American cars to boost the economy, so they take the import cars and either make them way too expensive (NSX), detune them drastically (Impreza WRX, Lancer, MR-Spyder, Celica), discontinue the model (RX-7, Supra, 3000-GT VR-4, Fairlady Z, 240SX, Generation 2 Eclipse, MR-2)make the car look like a POS(Lancer, Generation 3 Eclipse), or they totally hold out on us(Skyline GT-R, Impreza 22B STi, Lancer Evolution, Silvia, Integra Type-R, Stagea 260RS Autech version(yeah i know it's a station wagon, but it looks like it has potential)).... I am more partial to Imported (mostly Japanese), than I am to Domestics. This is probably due to the fact that American cars are more in the "family Sunday Driver/Take the kids to various activities" range. the sports cars that are made from american manufacturers are either way too expensive(Viper, Corvette, Special Model Mustangs),are sluggish somewhat and lack the sharpness that they once had (modern mustangs), or are being discontinued (Camaro, Firebird)...these cars also seem more difficult and costly to modify than a Japanese car...all a conspiracy i tell ya....all a conspiracy

(excludes european cars, and "luxury divisions" of japanese auto manufacturers):)

well the nsx is expensive. no matter where you live. japan or america. they are both the same price if you do currency conversions. ultimately if you do currency conversions and all the other stuff like shipping. it is cheaper than buying it in japan. who cares if japan has a little more options compared to the us spec. you can order them yourself. so no biggy.
also i think the s2000 in america is a little rip off as well compared to japan. here its 240hp overthere is 250hp. i know its just 10hp difference. but when telling someone you have a 250hp makes your car seem like its more powerful.

everything else you said is basically true. however the wrx is the same as the one in japan. the wrx sti type ra or nb are just tuned wrx's so they have higher rpm redline and hp. so there is not much to be ashamed of. the rest of the options you can buy or order from your subaru dealer or from an aftermarket dealer.

i also agree about the other japanese cars which does not get shipped to our land. it sucks a lot. i would really liek to see skylines, silvia, evo's and many other cars on the streets. it would be very nice.
i would like many cars from japan at our dealers. i would also like legacy gtb e-tune, and many other cars which has more power than ours. its not fair. stupid governments with their tarrifs. they are afraid the japanese cars will dominate the american car (which it will not happen). but the government should think this over again. it maybe a big turning point in car sales if more japanese cars are imported over to our country.

oh boy is that ugly or what? looks like if you take that silver body off a batman mobile will magically appear from underneath...

As long it has stunnning performance and the same drive as the previous GTR, you don't hear me bitching about the looks

Its a nice car yes, but come on people its not original it looks like the the nissan 350Z, the aston martin V12 vanquish, and the Ferrari 456M GT. All these cars look the same. Does anybody have to guts to be original or are they just gonna beat the hell out of this design until no one likes it anymore? Its a nice design but not very original, be nice to see some originalness. Like this site looking like the macromedia site. Just kidding, but seriously they need to be more original. The cars just look to much of the same. If i were to own one of these i would want people a mile away to go thats a nissan skyline and not have to come up to the car in person and look at the label on the bumper to figure out what kind of car it was. They just look to much alike.

THe old skyline was better, they changed it wayyyyy too much. I miss the old bulky shit brick flying a-bomb look. The older one was beautifully smashing looking :p

I would still take a 350z that car is pretty nice

I like the overall design, but the front end just doesn't do it for me. I think the more traditional skyline headlight arrangement should be employed. My personal favourite still remains the R33, but they're all too heavy anyways:)

imagine the head turning u will get from driving this car!! :D

from far away the grill of the r35 is very similar to the r34.
well thats when i noticed when i was playing gtconcept

I think the designers should visit the skyline forums. Maybe they could get some good ideas from here.

The car is damn heavy, it has 300lbs more then the NSX, but its still faster and out handles it on the track.

i'm still more partial to the horizontal headlights:)

i still would rather have the r34 gtr:)

R34 has that mean look for a reason, the big open whole in front is for an Intercooler, so I very much dislike the rounded look....and the headlights on it are Trademark to it =)

Yea, and those afterburner tail lights set nice and square on the rear panel.
Hey, if they wanted to do somthing cool with the new one, they could call it a Skyline and put one of those lightup "Skyline" panels on the back!!

what are afterburner taillights......and why does the skyline have a Red and Clear light in the back of the car?

Oh, alot of people call the skyline's tail lights Afterburner tail lights 'cause they just have that deep glowing look to um, they are really unique lookin at night.
I donno about the Red/clear lense thing, I guess its just an esthetic touch.

Originally posted by JBL85
what are afterburner taillights......and why does the skyline have a Red and Clear light in the back of the car?

Are you talking about the little square red and clear lights that are only on the R34 GTR's???

dont like it

I like them.....i love every inch of the car.....if the road dirt =P

if = even :D

Originally posted by Anguss R33


Are you talking about the little square red and clear lights that are only on the R34 GTR's???

I would suspect so; in which case one's a reversing light, and one's a rear foglight, I think. Either side of the rear license plate, right?

Im 100 percent sure that those lights were the ones they are talking about!
Ohh well, I see you are PW number 2 on the SDU forums once again... :D

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
The reason for the crackdown is because of the increase in vehicle/vehicle-related deaths found mostly with modded cars, stupid bench racers, wangan runners who can't judge the inversely proportional relationship of speed/distance/time and stationary/slow-moving objects.

Dale
SKR

Maybe I'll make some people angry but this is the reason of the speed limits long time policy. Take the germans as a best example. They have been learned to drive fast, keep the distance, time and everything that is needed to know for a fast drive. The german autobahns are not much different from US or Japanese highways (I was in Japan once). However the drivers know how to drive fast and safe.

As an example I'll tell you that after East/West Germany unification allmost 90% of East Germany have had the 130km/h speed limit on all autobahns (I know that... I payd the 430 German Mark speed fine ;) driving 180km/h insted of 130). But after couple years when the east germans finally got used to they new cars and new roads the many of the limits have been removed.

Driving is no different matter - education is the key for safety. German autobahns and german drivers proove that.

Well I have this to say!
"The faster you go, the quicker you get there!!!" :devil:

you mean the quicker you die.....a friend died a few days ago taking a turn to fast in a z28 and wrapped his car around a tree.....died 8 minutes after the blood drained out of his body:(

Damn that sucks!
Anyway I was only being funnny, sorry if that was offensive. I have friends that speed and I don't condone that. I never speed, it's just me!
Anyway sorry dude...
BTW, speed doesnt kill! It's the driver behind the wheel....

Originally posted by JBL85
you mean the quicker you die.....a friend died a few days ago taking a turn to fast in a z28 and wrapped his car around a tree.....died

I'm sorry for your friend. A member of a german parlament crashed and died on an icy road yesterday. However I already told you... it can be safe if you know how to drive fast. If you don't know and you try then that's a real problem (I'm sure most of speed racers wannabe's die because of that). I don't know how to ride a skateboard and I won't try :)

all me and my friends drive crazy....its just how kids are we think we are invincible you know....and dumb shit happens....i have 2 roads I speed on because You can see ahead of you and to your sides incase cops are, you usually wont die doing 70 and not swirving through cars...

I am really new to this message board. But I love Skylines like no other. I am sorry about the deaths while speeding. If I die it will probably be a tree at 80mph. And the pics like the one in my pic are old R35 pics. The newer GTR is the only closest thing to the next skyline that I know of.

I see that my pic does not work

:) :( :o :D ;) :p :rolleyes: :mad: :confused: :bandit: :bloated:



looks aufully beautifull on the inside love everything of so little that i saw....but when it comes to the outside don't like it that much i like that modification that was done by a fellow member....this car is gonna rule (but in the 2005)


hehe:sun:

Go the Skyline!!! :cool:

As much as i love the GT-R concept i know that the next R35 skyline is going to look more like the other pics we have seen. Im doing automotive Design at degree level and we will be making clay models soon too. I love the look of most of nissans concepts except them dumb box things! The new fairlady looks good, glad to see they put that into production. But i still cant decide between the new NSX-R and the R35

oh yeah and yay me for my first post on this forum!!

Well welcome to AF Jimmy!
What do you mean by the dumb box things? The vans on the Nissan Japan web site?

erm, aint seen em. I am reffering to the huge 4x4 wardrobes. there is pics on supercars.net from the detroit motor show.

Thanks though

Oh ic ic:D What about that Caddy concept at the DT Moter Show? I want one!

Hi All I just recieved my Official GTR Press release pamphlet that was given out at the 2001 toyko motor show and I wanted to come here and brag about it :flipa: just kidding. I did discover something that wasn't mentioned in any of the latter posts though (yes I read this whole thread) In one of the High resolution pics I noticed the front spoiler (the lower black piece ppl were complaining made the front grille look to big) is made of carbon Fibre as well is all of the black trim around the grille and the vents directly under the lights. There is also what looks to be turn signal lights on the cross membar in the middle of these vents. Nothing really special but could be looked at as an attempt on better weight savings from earlier Skylines. I've been a Skyline lover ever sence the day I first learned of them I still like the R 34 look better but this new GTR is starting to grow on me. Hopefully they'll still make Skylines in Japan so when I can afford one I'll go through MotoRex and get the newest Godzilla :sun: Sence I got this collectable piece of automotive literature I plan on making some Photoshoped pics "any requests before I start?" I know I know the headlights. My first will most likely be an attempt to make it look more like a Skyline front grille and lights and of course an Intercooler will be thrown into that Black void.