Here are the rumors I am questioning:

1. The GTR will come to the U.S. in 2006 with 400hp.
400 hp will be pretty weak in 2006 almost every car coming out now has 300+hp so I imagine in 2006 every car will have somewhere around 400hp.

2. There will be a Turbo 350z.
If the n/a 350z is already near 300 hp so if the GTR will only be 400 hp. Why would Nissan release 2 sports cars with similar specs?

3. The GTR will be released as a Nissan.
I think the G35 answers that question Infiniti.

4. The GTR will not do well when released in the U.S.
Most GTR fans are probably about 17-23 right now. In 2006up they will have been out of college for a few years, they should be able to afford the cars by then.

5. The GTR will cost 90k when released.
Does anyone know about a car called the Tommy Karia ZZ2. Direct from Tommy Karia's site the car maybe released in the U.S. for the price of 90k USD.

double post. that's really not appreciated...

but a good topic...

look for everyone else's replies in the United States section of the skyline forum.

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
Here are the rumors I am questioning:

1. The GTR will come to the U.S. in 2006 with 400hp.
400 hp will be pretty weak in 2006 almost every car coming out now has 300+hp so I imagine in 2006 every car will have somewhere around 400hp.

2. There will be a Turbo 350z.
If the n/a 350z is already near 300 hp so if the GTR will only be 400 hp. Why would Nissan release 2 sports cars with similar specs?

3. The GTR will be released as a Nissan.
I think the G35 answers that question Infiniti.

4. The GTR will not do well when released in the U.S.
Most GTR fans are probably about 17-23 right now. In 2006up they will have been out of college for a few years, they should be able to afford the cars by then.

5. The GTR will cost 90k when released.
Does anyone know about a car called the Tommy Karia ZZ2. Direct from Tommy Karia's site the car maybe released in the U.S. for the price of 90k USD.

I'm just revising all of the info to see what is right and what's not, yet it is very good information.Some guy's I don't know jack shi# about the skyline but I don't really care about proving them wrong, me knowing of what I previously have acknowleged about the skyline is enough.

1. Nissan at press time said it would come out in early 2005 with 400 hp, this is just a hint or a "taste" of it, leaving the 17-23 age group crazy to spend all their money to buy one, what the media does to you :o .


2.I have never heard about the turbo 350z, anyway's Nissan really doesn't want to turbo it, not in the U.S. for that matter, not now anyway's:rolleyes: I mean if the skyline is coming they'll be more worried on that car than the "turbo" version of the 350z.


3.You're right the Infiniti G35 answered everyone's answer's as to what may lie ahead of us, shall I say to what lie's ahead for Nissan's future.


4. No one know's for sure how the reaction's of the people,media, buyer's will be, Nissan is not sure how it will be taken but in japan they have no worries they've had the skyline for many years and they know how good of a quality it is and that's it's worth the money to buy one, but should not be taken into consideration if you can't afford one, again this is where the 17-23 age group stand's but in the us many people might not know what a skyline is they just might want it for it's look's not raw power like me, but i think it will do allright here, even though buyer's will think it's a volvo or something,this confusion will most likely happen if you don't know anything about car's and if you guy's are so interested as to be in a car forum this does not apply to you.:D


5.This is what is expected but no one know's for sure except Nissan of course.:cool:

-Dave

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
1. The GTR will come to the U.S. in 2006 with 400hp.
400 hp will be pretty weak in 2006 almost every car coming out now has 300+hp so I imagine in 2006 every car will have somewhere around 400hp.
Most of the competition from Japan will probably have about 400hp(Supra replacement, 2nd gen NSX), so Nissan should be fine with about 400hp for the GT-R.

2. There will be a Turbo 350z.
If the n/a 350z is already near 300 hp so if the GTR will only be 400 hp. Why would Nissan release 2 sports cars with similar specs?
There is a faster Z planned for 2005. It may not necessarily be turbocharged. Nissan could just as easily place the 345hp VK45DE V8 in the Z, for example. We know the engine will already fit in the chassis, since the Infiniti FX45 crossover SUV uses the same FM platform as well.

3. The GTR will be released as a Nissan.
I think the G35 answers that question Infiniti.
The GT-R would obviously be released as a Nissan in Japan and Europe, since Infiniti is pretty much a US-exclusive marque. In the US, however, we have both Nissan and Infiniti. Thus, at this point, it can't really be said which brand will have the GT-R.

4. The GTR will not do well when released in the U.S.
Most GTR fans are probably about 17-23 right now. In 2006up they will have been out of college for a few years, they should be able to afford the cars by then.
NIssan will also be targeting another market with the GT-R. They are actually going after some members of the older crowd with discriminating taste in sports cars. The GT-R has already been planned as a 'cut-price 911 beater,' according to Car.

5. The GTR will cost 90k when released.
Does anyone know about a car called the Tommy Karia ZZ2. Direct from Tommy Karia's site the car maybe released in the U.S. for the price of 90k USD.
Prices for the GT-R have yet to be officially announced by Nissan. The price could go up to $90k, and surely some people would still buy it, as an alternative to the $120k+ Porsche 911 Turbo.

You all are ignoring the fact that the0 Tommy Kaira ZZ2 is basically a better GTR 34. Why buy the GTR 35 for 90k went you can have a ZZ2 for the same price. The ZZ2 is faster, looks better, lighter,more power, and handles better. Im not sure but I believe it seats 3 similar to the Mclaren f1.

My point about the age grouping is that the fans of the GTR should be able to afford them by the time they kick into gear in the U.S.

As for the cars with High hp coming around the time of the GTR. The 2004 Mustang, Ford GT40, NSX-R, ZZ2, GTO, Rally-Art Evolution, Chevy SS, ect.. If a 350Z comes alone with 350+ hp I think that would hurt GTR sales in the U.S. market.

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
You all are ignoring the fact that the0 Tommy Kaira ZZ2 is basically a better GTR 34. Why buy the GTR 35 for 90k went you can have a ZZ2 for the same price. The ZZ2 is faster, looks better, lighter,more power, and handles better. Im not sure but I believe it seats 3 similar to the Mclaren f1.

Was it confirmed that the Tommy Kaira ZZII is going to be produced??? Where did you get the info about the ZZII? I can't find that many sites with info on the ZZII. Any help would be appreciated :).

and um, the zz2 would have to be emissions and crash tested here...

after seeing pics of it, i don't see that happening.

it's hard enough to legalize a skyline...

think about what it would take to get a zz2 crash tested here.

not gonna happen.

All my information about the ZZ2 is directly from official Tommy kaira's web page. The car will not be a gray market import like the GTR, Tommy Kaira is talking about marketing the car them themselves.


Go here: http://www.tommykaira.com/index2.html click English and click ZZ near the top of page. Look near bottom of the section for the quote below.



“Unfortunately, the ZZ is only sold primarily in Japan, with a small number sold in the UK where the car is actually made. However, Tommy Kaira is gearing up to begin production of its second car, the ZZII. This car is expected to weigh in around some 2,200 pounds and be driven by a motor with around 500 horsepower! It may eventually find its way to the US, as well as the UK and other overseas markets where drivers love fast cars. We plan to post updates on the development of the ZZII.”

no offense, but you're reading a bit too much into that.

it takes quite a few cars to crash test for US standards, as well as meet emissions.

i don't see it coming here officially...
it may be imported by people, but the likelihood of them actually "officially" selling them here...

doubt it...

that quote doesn't mean too much...

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
Go here: http://www.tommykaira.com/index2.html click English and click ZZ near the top of page. Look near bottom of the section for the quote below.


Thank you :).

Quote: "it takes quite a few cars to crash test for US standards, as well as meet emissions"


I don’t get your point. Tommy Kaira is a major Auto Manufacturer, and Tuner company. They have the funds to perform the test, what would make you think they couldn’t?

Do you know how many cars had to be changed to make it to the US market?? Do you even know for sure its is coming to the US?? Not many know of TK overhere anyways. The Evo.8's front end had to be chnaged a bit and made heavier to pass crash testing here.

well, to answer....

so does nissan.

money out their ears.

where's the skyline at in the states...

oh that's right, they didn't bring it here or crash test it...

anything else?

I though flaming was not allowed,oh well.:confused: :confused:
-Dave

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
You all are ignoring the fact that the0 Tommy Kaira ZZ2 is basically a better GTR 34. Why buy the GTR 35 for 90k went you can have a ZZ2 for the same price. The ZZ2 is faster, looks better, lighter,more power, and handles better. Im not sure but I believe it seats 3 similar to the Mclaren f1.

My point about the age grouping is that the fans of the GTR should be able to afford them by the time they kick into gear in the U.S.

As for the cars with High hp coming around the time of the GTR. The 2004 Mustang, Ford GT40, NSX-R, ZZ2, GTO, Rally-Art Evolution, Chevy SS, ect.. If a 350Z comes alone with 350+ hp I think that would hurt GTR sales in the U.S. market.

This is pretty easy. Some people want a GT-R, plain and simple. Some people, like me, want the R35 for it's technological advances over the R34. Others want it because it is still a true 4-seater, with nice amenities and no silly 3-seat gimmicks.

There are many uninformed people as well, who know nothing about Tommy Kaira. Who will they trust and buy a car from? An established company like Nissan, or some small 'upstart' company fresh out of Japan? Where would the Tommy Kaira ZZ2 even be sold?

please kind sir, who am i flaming by explaining that just b/c tommy kaira has money doesn't mean they will crash test and legalize the zz2 for US sales?

my point is that just b/c a company has money to do it, they won't necessarily do it.

there's alot of cars that are out there that aren't US legal, from companies that can afford to get them legalized.

the profit isn't worth the cost of testing, which is why they don't.

which is why the zz2 wouldn't come here legally... just like the skyline

Originally posted by Evomaniac

I though flaming was not allowed,oh well.:confused: :confused:
-Dave
not that you're flaming anybody there are a few other's might I add.:D

I've see no flaming. What I have seen is someone who is protending to be a moderator and who in fact is nothing. Myself and a few others are growing more tired of your antics. It may be best to move on. As into a different forums all together.

You are again pulling another thread off topic.

End of discussion in this thread other than the topic!

Quote:
“Tommy Kaira has money doesn't mean they will crash test and legalize the zz2 for US sales?”

I gave a quote direct from Tommy Kaira’s page stating that they are looking into marketing the car in the U.S. market. It’s not as if I pulled that out of my ass.

Quote:
“There are many uninformed people as well, who know nothing about Tommy Kaira. Who will they trust and buy a car from? An established company like Nissan or some small ‘upstart’ company fresh out of Japan”

The car will be marketed like a Lamborghini, or Ferrari. I don’t believe they intend to mass produce it like a GTR, or a Vett.

The car is intended for the true car enthusiast looking for a “Super car” not a sports GT. I bet when Mc Laren, and, Koenigsegg decided to bring car out people said I would rather have a Porsche even though I know the other cars are better because I trust the name.

Three seat gimmick? You really don’t know a lot about super cars do you?

The whole point of the argument was to state why the car will not cost 90k.

Just one question................



Isn't Tommy Kaira bankrupt????:confused:

Originally posted by Jimster
Just one question................



Isn't Tommy Kaira bankrupt????:confused:

Hope not. They made some nice cars. and car parts

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
The car will be marketed like a Lamborghini, or Ferrari. I don’t believe they intend to mass produce it like a GTR, or a Vett.

The car is intended for the true car enthusiast looking for a “Super car” not a sports GT. I bet when Mc Laren, and, Koenigsegg decided to bring car out people said I would rather have a Porsche even though I know the other cars are better because I trust the name.

Three seat gimmick? You really don’t know a lot about super cars do you?

The whole point of the argument was to state why the car will not cost 90k.

Tommy Kaira couldn't possibly market their cars like Lamborghini and Ferrari do. Do you know why? They hardly do any marketing at all. People come to them, because they have decades of racing experience, and they are well-known around the world. Tommy Kaira can't even come close to touching that.

People knew the McLaren name before the supercar was produced. Ever hear of the McLaren formula one team?:rolleyes: On top of that, the Macca had an engine specially developed by BMW, another popular name in F1. If that doesn't get you brand recognition and trust, I don't know what will.
Koenigsegg had a different approach, because they really were an unknown. They released information early, and made performance claims...some say the claims were boastful and unfounded, but Koenigsegg's data does support their predicted performance figures, and now the cars are selling.

The last time I checked, most supercars only had two seats.:rolleyes: The only reason for the Macca's central driving position was to preserve the F1 car's configuration. I dunno why Tommy Kaira's doing it.

How any seats do you all think the McLaren F1 has? The McLaren has 3
"Driver sits in the middle and room for two passengers on either side" (Jeremy Clarkson - Top Gear)

“The Middle is the optimal driving position" (Gordon Murray)

I’m sorry to tell you if the ZZ2 holds up to its prototype design it will be better than any Lamborghini, or Porsche.

The car weighs about as much as the McLaren F1 has about 500 hp and will cost 90k.

ZZ2

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Look I was wrong, but look where the drivers seat is left hand drive.

RB26 heart of the GTR

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GTR rear lights

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
How any seats do you all think the McLaren F1 has? The McLaren has 3
"Driver sits in the middle and room for two passengers on either side" (Jeremy Clarkson - Top Gear)

“The Middle is the optimal driving position" (Gordon Murray)

I’m sorry to tell you if the ZZ2 holds up to its prototype design it will be better than any Lamborghini, or Porsche.

The car weighs about as much as the McLaren F1 has about 500 hp and will cost 90k.

Yeah, a middle position for the ZZ2 would be all well and good for performance, but that doesn't mean the car will sell. Most people still want something relatively convenient. Of course, now you realize that the ZZ2 doesn't even have central seating. Now your whole argument is moot.:rolleyes:

Even if the ZZ2 lives up to what it was designed for, that doesn't mean it will sell. Again, Lambo, Porsche, and Ferrari have a known and trusted brand worldwide, including the US. Again, Tommy Kaira has nothing.

If you knew anything about marketing, you'd realize that it takes a lot of time to get customers accustomed to a new product, even if you're an established brand. Tommy Kaira isn't established at all, and thus, has three strikes against them.
The US is a new and unfamiliar geographical market for TK. WHere would TK even sell the ZZ2? It takes a lot of money to set up a dealer network, you know.
TK is relatively unknown, and people usually do not buy from a brand that they do not know or trust.
If the the ZZ2 is supposed to sell for $90k, people would have many other ideas of how to spend that much money.

Just because a car is a better performer does not mean that it is successful. Barely 50 of the R34 Skyline GT-Rs were sold in the UK per year. Compare that to the Porsche 911 Carrera, which sold nearly 100 times more. They're fairly equal in performance, but people go with the familiar brand. On top of that, they didn't feel like spending 50k Pounds for a Nissan.
Another example is the Lotus Esprit V8 and the Ferrari F355. The Lotus outmatched the Ferrari in most performance categories, and did it with less power, a 20-year old chassis, and for half the money. Lotus barely sells 100 Esprits per year worldwide.

I gave a quote direct from Tommy Kaira’s page stating that they are looking into marketing the car in the U.S. market. It’s not as if I pulled that out of my ass.

regardless of whether you pulled it from you ass, doesn't mean that the car will actually come here.

if you wanted to get global attention, wouldn't you say that?

and come on, who doesn't want to bring a car here...

they're looking into it, that doesn't mean it will come to fruition, right?

i'm looking into building my own cars as an exotic car builder, will it ever happen?

not for me.

so do you see what i'm saying?

Ok I tired to explain why the GTR will not cost 90K no one wanted to listen. If you think the GTR will be better than the ZZ2, 997 turbo, or even the next gen NSX you are out of your minds.
As for the ZZ2 it is left hand drive like the US market. Why do you think they made the ZZ2 and the GTR concept left hand drive?

Skipping production in the world’s largest car market is not the brightest ideal. Where would they sell the car? Exotic car dealers, they don’t need a Tommy Kaira dealer network. Maybe they will have 1 dealership on the West Cost who knows?
I remember a car called the 240Z people really didn’t know about Nissan back then.

GTR will cost 60k no more that’s 30k above the 350z and G35 coupe.


I gave my proof unless you have proof against anything I have said in this post do not respond... ..............................Stop flaming

who's flaming?

i'm simply pointing something out here.

there's companies like peugot, and seat, and other euro companies with far bigger bank accounts than tommy kaira, and they aren't coming over here.

fiat, mg, tvr, the list goes on.

alot of people would want to come here to the states market, but we've got stringent rules and testing to meet.

this is why they're not here.

you're getting a bit fanatical about the zz2.

lots of europe is LHD as well. don't let that persuade you to think that the zz2 was meant for the US.

ferrari, bmw, lamborghini... all LHD. even though they're not exclusively for the US market.

calm down. no one is flaming.

the quote you had simply stated that they were looking into/ were interested in the US market.

wouldn't you be if you had a car or product to sell?

that doesn't mean it's gospel, and that it's going to happen...

It may not be gospel but you all are simply dismissing it and saying its not going to happen or it can’t happen as if that’s gospel.

As for the ZZ2 being left hand drive. Ferrari, Bmw, and Lamborghini are made in Italy and Germany which are both left hand drive countries. The ZZ2 is owned by a Japanese company, and is manufactured in England. Both of those countries are right hand drive.

and?

i'm simply dismissing it b/c i know what it takes to get cars sold legally in the US.

like i said, there's tons of companies that make LHD cars, and they don't sell them here.

there's tons of companies that make cars period, and they don't sell them here.

you're basing your entire argument off of a quote on site.

if you're tommy kaira, wouldn't you say you PLAN to go to the US market?

to get response, over the world, and in the US?

come on now.

stop worshipping the car, and look at the facts.

the RB motor is really hard to get legalized here in the states.

the car would be limited production. that would make it even less likely that they would crash test as many as necessary for US standards.

also, look at the car, it may not meet US regulations for road height, bumper height, etc, without even being crashed.

i like the car, but you've got to look at the facts here...

take the lotus elise for example...
to get it here, they've got to mod it extensively, and they're redesigning the car to get it here.

there's huge hoops to jump through, and it's not even lotus that's doing the importing and sales.

lotus is a little bigger than tommy kaira, so i think you should see my point...

Ok first of all R34 were brought ti the US, OK? They are imported by MotoRex <--- A company devoloped by Tommy Kaira, 2nd Tommy Kaira is not broke ok? They tune many many cars their almost as Rich as MINE'S, Fujimura,AutoBacs, !! 2nd Tommy Kaira teamed up with AutoBacs!! <--- (Very Rich Tuner Company!!) To create the ZZII. They gave it a new name the ZZII is now called the RS-01

Heres a link:

http://www.asl.info/cgi-bin/WebObjects/f4b46949f0.woa/wa/read/f540b3988f/

Click on the RS-01 Movie to see the RS-01 Prototype.

and?

no where did i say they were broke.

it takes time money, more time, and alot of money to get a car legalized for road use in the US. considering the low production numbers, they would have to crash about 10-15 cars as well as test multiple others, to get them road legal, and emissions legal.

for the amount of cars that would actually be sold here, the cost is not worth it.

if it is, i'll say something like, "wow, they spent all the money i said it would take to get the cars legal to sell here..."

? What was the point you were trying to point out? You mean that testing and importing stuff is expensive?? blah blah blah I really dont see the point you are trying to make, everyone knows that importing/testing isnt cheap so?!?! Why do you even care?...

Im just posting because i hate it when ppl bad mouth Japanese cars.
I get what your saying, You know its kind of dumb i mean anyone can just import it from Japan or Europe Hmmm.. I dont really get the point of this Topic

We create a country of our own with no regulations or restrictions on all cars..lol:iceslolan

I too cannot understand why Motorex charges so much for GTR's.
They dont even convert them to LHD!!! On their site it says they are still RHD, so where are all the costs?
In Australia u buy R34's complianced for around $80K AUS which is around $50K US.

Originally posted by phatdex
I too cannot understand why Motorex charges so much for GTR's.
They dont even convert them to LHD!!! On their site it says they are still RHD, so where are all the costs?
In Australia u buy R34's complianced for around $80K AUS which is around $50K US.

Apples and Oranges.

OZ and the US are different countries, and therefore, have different regulations. The US just happens to have more strict regulations, and it costs more to bring a car into compliance with them.

Legalizing Skylines isn't cheap. It costs Motorex a fair amount of money just to convert the cars. Next, they add something to that cost, since they need to pay themselves. Motorex is not a charity. They are in the business of legalizing and selling cars to make money.

I realise they needed to make money but I always thought that they were also converting them to LHD aswell, if they arent doing that then it seems real high, but yes, I dont know all the rules they have to get past.

there's no legal reason to convert to LHD so they don't.

they need to be emissions and chrash legal, which is where the cost comes in.

if you started a company that imported something and went through all the bullshit they did to get it legal, you'd charge a premium too. it's called economics, and regaining your investment, especially if you've got the market cornered.


also.

i'm not ripping japanese companies. what i am saying is that tommy kaira will most likely not spend the money it takes to get a car legal over here. there are bigger companies, which i've noted before, from england/europe, that are not here. and they've got less expensive cars to produce/test/crash here.

i'm not ripping the japanese, but i am saying "open your eyes".

Im just posting because i hate it when ppl bad mouth Japanese cars.
I get what your saying, You know its kind of dumb i mean anyone can just import it from Japan or Europe Hmmm.. I dont really get the point of this Topic.

except i'm not badmouthing.
anyone can import from europe or japan? really?
prove it.

do it legally and we'll talk. make sure the car meets crash/emissions standards and can be road driven DAILY. then you can talk to me about "anyone" doing it.

porsche 959?
right. not road legal in the states. and that's a porsche.

why didn't we have the gt3 for so long? it was too low, porsche wasn't going to modify it to meet regulations. and that's porsche. they've got more money than tommy kaira could dream of. and they didn't have those cars.

just get over it. read what i said and realize that it's not knocking anyone or any car. it's just the truth.

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
Ok I tired to explain why the GTR will not cost 90K no one wanted to listen. If you think the GTR will be better than the ZZ2, 997 turbo, or even the next gen NSX you are out of your minds.
As for the ZZ2 it is left hand drive like the US market. Why do you think they made the ZZ2 and the GTR concept left hand drive?


GTR will cost 60k no more that’s 30k above the 350z and G35 coupe.




I agree with the price as I have the magazine here saying that they do want to keep it around 60k range. I disagree with that fact that new GTR isn't going to be better then the cars mention. I'm sure the nissan fans want the best car out of the name skyline and I have faith the GTR won't let faithful followers down. So far nissan is taking many many feedbacks from various people from normal people to F1 racers to GT racers and taking every opinion into account. They are seriously putting m3-m5 cars as their target with this new GTR.

As for the topic, YES there will be a SINGLE turbo Z by 2005 after lightly tuned speecial version Z is to be released on 2004. Nissan is saying that they want to release new models every year. Roadster this year, light weight model next year, single turbo the year after.

400bhp on nissan is just a target. Nissan obviously wants more power but emission and cost is one of the problems they have to conquer. Single turbo Z is said to be around 345bhp. so it won't be faster then Z, but this is still no confirmation.

I do have a reliable source as this magazine explains everything about new generation Nissans from Skyline producers, Mr.Mizuno.

There is also new generation silvia that is into considerations as a "compact FR" car with turbo that produces 245 bhp.

Sounds like Nissan is going big time. I'm glad cause I am a die-hard nissan fan and they will be a force to reckon with in the near future....I hope


:smile:

Originally posted by TunesTer01
Ok first of all R34 were brought ti the US, OK? They are imported by MotoRex <--- A company devoloped by Tommy Kaira,


Ummm NO.
Sean Morris better know as tyndago is the Co-founder of MotoRex. Tommy Kaira was never brought in the many conversations and exchanges in emails we've had. Yes I have spoken to Sean on the phone before.

People get your facts bloody straight before you post, because if they are not I will call you on them.

MotoRex charges what they do because simply they can. They alone brought the GTR's in and wrecked them during the testing stages. Nearly $500,000 worth! So if you guys think they are not going to do what they can to not only recover their costs but the ongoing business costs plus make a profit then you need to wake up and smell the shit your're shoveling.

This thread is winding down quickly. It is turning more into an "I'm right you're wrong" bla bla bla.

State facts and I mean soon or it closes.

That is all.