I was navigating today in the internet, searching for some car specs just trying to finish my engine, but I found this article in this forum about VTEC vs. SR20DE, I read all and every body have different opinions about that statement and I respect that, I tried to post my opining but I didn’t it was all ready close, for some reason I re opened to leave my opinion about it. To start If I miss right some thing I am not fully bilingual but I tried my best, well I am an Honda freak and I work hard to find good information and store them , the Nissan and Honda they have good engineers but they have different goals, I know fore sure that Nissan have good sport cars they aim to build their engine for the best and the competition with other brands at least for Honda since Soichiro Honda the founder of Honda company start with bike he dream for good small engine with high revs and good fuel economy that why is different, all the Vtec thing start with the formula cars to control torque in high revs, and they continue modifying the Vtec to improve fuel economy and good engine response in a mid rage revs to have a good response in the vehicle when need it, they focus to run fast, rev high with low fuel consumption. Now I am searching for other cars history to know for sure what they want for a car and engines, I hope no one get mad and for this Cain of hobby lets be united with our own car brand to represent what is the best those engine can do with less time and money. Lol :confused: :runaround:

interesting... im a nissan man myself. had a 90 silvia with a ca18det. my mate had a 91 honda prelude Si with a engine swap to the vtec, and i gotta say i could never catch him after that. although i feel its unfair to compare the vtec to the ca18(det or otherwise) i still reckon the vtec is an incredible engine so much grunt even factory tuned!

Like you said is unfair to compare the vtec to the ca18 det, but remember is not about compering VTEC with some other engine with out Vtec, for best; is compering how much horse power an engine can produce and transfer horse power faster in revs, look if we need compare it need to be some thing like this one,
Nissan Ecology Oriented Variable Valve Lift and Timing (commonly known as VVL) is the same thing as the Vtec and the VVTL-I from Toyota look those engine can produce in a factory manner more then 170hp to the crank shaft and in toque from 140tq just check the specs of your engine I put it in the bottom:
The 1.8 L CA18DET was the last version of the CA engine to be released. It produces 166 hp (124 kW) and 166 lb·ft (228 Nm) that's the engine you have but if you see, your friend used to have in his Honda prelude this engine B20A5 - 2.0L DOHC PGM-FI


Power: 135 hp (101 kW) @ 6200 rpm
Torque: 127 lb·ft (172 N·m) @ 4000 rpm

Look if you see the difference, was unfair in that time that your friend was having the old engine compare to the engine that you have in your car, Now you need to check what kind of engine he swap to the Honda prelude because it can be some F20B its has 200hp to 210 to crank shaft oem and that engine is EDM or maybe can be an H22B if is JDM it has 220hp to the crank shaft and the torque for those two are high or maybe can be some B series just ask him and compare, and for second both need to check the weight of the cars ho has less weight remember that is a factor.
And for you if you want to do a swap you can find this engine and it has the variable valve timing to be in the same steps as your friend I recommended to you right here in Puerto Rico a few friends of mine have them
The 2.0 L SR20VE has Nissan's Neo VVL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_VVL) variable valve timing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing) with lift control. It produces 190 PS (139 kW) @7000 rpm and 144 ft·lbf (196 Nm) @6000 rpm and later (2001-2003) 205 PS (150 kW) @7200 rpm and 206 nm @5200 rpm. Used in:


1997-2000 P11 JDM Nissan Primera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Primera) Te-V sedan or G-V wagon, 190 PS (139 kW)
2001-2003 P12 JDM Nissan Primera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Primera), 20V sedan or W20V Wagon, 205 PS (150 kW)
1997-2000 U14 JDM Nissan Bluebird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Bluebird) SSS-Z sedan, 190 PS (139 kW)
1997-2000 Y11 JDM Nissan Wingroad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Wingroad) ZV-S wagon, 190 PS (139 kW)

Remember I’am an Honda freak and I search and I have a lot of info about Honda and service manuals, but is curious I have a lot of info about other car brands and I can tell that all car are good but they are different of what the buyer is expecting to have in that car or what is the way enthusiast used them, if it is for circuit, drag, mud and what moods if they go turbo, nitrous or N/A like me for me the Honda just came amazing in N/A engine the can produce serious horse power with some good sets in the ECU and as every body know you can find parts more easily, well this is the fun of it having different people saving and fighting for they own car brand alike.

VTEC engine is the worst engine for performance. It has power at only EXTREAMLY high RPMs and produces so little torque and HP that you'll end up spending 20k to make a VTEC car keep up with a stock 90's camaro while spending similar amounts on the car itsself.

But they do tend to be good on gas mileage. But as long as there are diesel engines. Theres no need to buy a Honda.

No offence but your grammer made me:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Shpuker as you said, that happen to almost all B series engine with Vtec because they are made for circuit and they need to be with high RPM because Honda made them like that for a reason, but if you look better in the H22, F20B and F22 or F23 you can see that even they have Vtec and low compression ration, believe me they have a lot off torque, and I don't need 20K to beet a 90 camaro, look I'll only need the miserable D16Y,or Z SOHC busted with some vitara piston that they cost $130 some turbo kit from Ebay that cost $500 or better price and if I count machine shop like balance the hole engine, some sand blasting I can have in total 3K and a civic from the same year as that 90 camaro I can pay in good condition 1K so why I need to spend a few 20K, right here in Puerto Rico we have some good set up daily driven with good time in the 1/4 mile, a civic from 1992 full body daily driven 29psi going down the 1/4 in 10:69 that's good time for a single over head cam 1.6 liters engine, Im in that line, but what is good is good if you have a in line 6 cylinder that good to I give credit look for me is good if for you is good I respect it but my line is Honda for not only one reason, for real I have a lot of reason.

PS: maybe you are in muscle cars and Im in Japanese JDM, EDM and USDM cars peace

Trust me, your little honda cant beat ANY major brand of car. By any I mean Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan, BMW, Audi, VW, Dodge, Ford, Chevy, etc......

Trust me, your little honda cant beat ANY major brand of car. By any I mean Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan, BMW, Audi, VW, Dodge, Ford, Chevy, etc......

Honda's can be as fast as any major brand car, especially around a track, you just have to spend the time and tune it. Imports have never been into drag or nascar, so most Americans don't think they have any power. Take a trip to Japan and see what they're doing over there - some of the Nissan's and Honda's would blow the socks off a big-block Chevy.

Personally I still like the torque and the sound of an American V8, or the roaring crackle of a German flat-6, I just can't get used to the whiney screech of a tuned VTECH at 8,000 RPM, even if they are amazing motors.

well I still gonna be in my line with Honda as you are in your muscle cars the thing right here is that I have proven with my eyes that in Puerto Rico we have some extremely good setups and you don't need to go so far to japan just come to Puerto Rico and you can see with your own eyes that a miserable little 1.6 little can smoke some good V8 engine with a lot of set up and money and even a daily driven car just stain in the panel of a big work out car that is a bad feeling. look I love how the sound so hard and with power coming out burning those big rear wheel, but for me why I need so much with a just a little I can do the same.
Look I been traveling for a few places in the united states and Europe I'm in the army I seen different things, I heard different thinking and I been in different hoods cheeking different setups, and I can see a lot of people just buying parts and mounting them with out knowing for what is the part and for what it can work, in my case I read a lot, I check what pos and cons I have with what I am mounting or what Cain of set up I'm going. so don't get mad I know muscle cars have their stories but remember imports have them to!

well I still gonna be in my line with Honda as you are in your muscle cars the thing right here is that I have proven with my eyes that in Puerto Rico we have some extremely good setups and you don't need to go so far to japan just come to Puerto Rico and you can see with your own eyes that a miserable little 1.6 little can smoke some good V8 engine with a lot of set up and money and even a daily driven car just stain in the panel of a big work out car that is a bad feeling. look I love how the sound so hard and with power coming out burning those big rear wheel, but for me why I need so much with a just a little I can do the same.
Look I been traveling for a few places in the united states and europe I'm in the army I seen different things, I heard different thinking and I been in different hoods cheeking different setups, and I can see a lot of people just buying parts and mounting them with out knowing for what is the part and for what it can work, in my case I read a lot, I check what pos and cons I have with what I am mouting or what caind of set up I'm going. so don't get mad I know muscle cars have their stories but remember inports have them to!

Totally man, I hear ya there and I'm backing it up too! Imports have some great stories. Where I work I've seen a couple of right-hand-drive Nissan Skyline GTR's (older, maybe 1998-2003) and I know that under that hood there is some serious power you don't want to mess with unless you've got a ridiculous car.

I was laughing, the other day I was driving along a few cars behind one of these Skylines and some guy pulled up in a new Volvo S40 with some work done...I was smiling already. So the guy in the Volvo revvs his engine and starts flashing his lights wanting to race, I'm thinking 'you can't be serious'. Just for kicks, the guy driving the Nissan just touches the gas and disappears...the Volvo driver is still spitting through gears and blasting fart noises through a 3" exhaust, left in the dust.

A Honda 1.6 is a solid motor, a lot more power than you would think if you fix them up right!

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AntonioAlvendia/Feature%20Cars/Alpha%20green%20Drag%20EG6/IMG_6712%20copy.jpg

It wasn't for you akboss (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=618696) ,I know you are backing me up that thing was for Shpuker (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=622759) so don't worry.sorry for the misunderstood

Honda's can be as fast as any major brand car, especially around a track, you just have to spend the time and tune it. Imports have never been into drag or nascar, so most Americans don't think they have any power. Take a trip to Japan and see what they're doing over there - some of the Nissan's and Honda's would blow the socks off a big-block Chevy.

Personally I still like the torque and the sound of an American V8, or the roaring crackle of a German flat-6, I just can't get used to the whiney screech of a tuned VTECH at 8,000 RPM, even if they are amazing motors.

I agree with the Nissan part. I'm sure you could make one beat a Maro or a Vette.
But FOR THE SAME PRICE, you will NEVER get a VTEC to beat any other car of the same class.

It wasn't for you akboss (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=618696) ,I know you are backing me up that thing was for Shpuker (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=622759) so don't worry.sorry for the misunderstood

I honestly think its hilarious how you guys automatically assume I'm talking about muscle cars beating your little Hondas.

Just to clear things up. I agree that some imports are great cars for both performance and fuel economy. but no Honda with the same amount of money in it, can beat a car in the same class with the same amount of cash put into it.

You take an S2000 I beat you with a 280zx a Z28 Camaro a Mustang GT and thousands of other possible candidates.

I honestly think its hilarious how you guys automatically assume I'm talking about muscle cars beating your little Hondas.

Just to clear things up. I agree that some imports are great cars for both performance and fuel economy. but no Honda with the same amount of money in it, can beat a car in the same class with the same amount of cash put into it.

You take an S2000 I beat you with a 280zx a Z28 Camaro a Mustang GT and thousands of other possible candidates.




well I don't know what kind of driver you have just to beat an s2000, look the match for the S2000 is a 350zx because the horsepower and weight to horsepower ratio are almost the same, are you in a joke or maybe some Honda pis you of that you think Honda is under V8, V6 or some import close to the same specs are you crazy, with those 280zx and z28 I can play with the just with my daily drive set up in the illegal street race and in the race track, with respect I think honestly you are having nightmares or you are living in bobys world :screwy:, like I said before I give credit for all of those cars and the batter with the Honda brand and the other is hard because people don't under stand they are reliable in every thing. know you are the one that with those nonsense and compares you gave I have headache :banghead:

I honestly think its hilarious how you guys automatically assume I'm talking about muscle cars beating your little Hondas.

Just to clear things up. I agree that some imports are great cars for both performance and fuel economy. but no Honda with the same amount of money in it, can beat a car in the same class with the same amount of cash put into it.

You take an S2000 I beat you with a 280zx a Z28 Camaro a Mustang GT and thousands of other possible candidates.



and if you are talking about the mustang gt from 2005-08, look I used to drive that car in the police station you know why I was a police officer and that car is a stupid car I preferred the crown Victoria 4.6 police interceptor one because that one go more faster because with the tune the government right here in Puerto Rico ask for it, is Cain of good and it go faster to 140-160MPH because of the final drive, the differential they lowered to have more mph and if you check in the internet, information how the government just change every thing about police cars and now they have super charge cars like the dodge and some other ford cars charge to because it was hard to catch some stupid daily driven car that people use the to illegal races so that answer how hard right here in Puerto Rico people work in their cars.:iceslolan

I honestly think its hilarious how you guys automatically assume I'm talking about muscle cars beating your little Hondas.

Just to clear things up. I agree that some imports are great cars for both performance and fuel economy. but no Honda with the same amount of money in it, can beat a car in the same class with the same amount of cash put into it.

You take an S2000 I beat you with a 280zx a Z28 Camaro a Mustang GT and thousands of other possible candidates.


And for the 280zx yes you can have good set up if you go turbo, if you go N/A with that car for real you are going to spend those 20K believe me look people don't realize this with a turbo or nitro it can run fast any car if you set them the right way look if my grandma when she was a live, if she did want to do a set up just like that one with some nitrous or turbo I know she would have a good tome in the track with her wheelchair.

well I don't know what kind of driver you have just to beat an s2000, look the match for the S2000 is a 350zx because the horsepower and weight to horsepower ratio are almost the same, are you in a joke or maybe some Honda pis you of that you think Honda is under V8, V6 or some import close to the same specs are you crazy, with those 280zx and z28 I can play with the just with my daily drive set up in the illegal street race and in the race track, with respect I think honestly you are having nightmares or you are living in bobys world :screwy:, like I said before I give credit for all of those cars and the batter with the Honda brand and the other is hard because people don't under stand they are reliable in every thing. know you are the one that with those nonsense and compares you gave I have headache :banghead:

and if you are talking about the mustang gt from 2005-08, look I used to drive that car in the police station you know why I was a police officer and that car is a stupid car I preferred the crown Victoria 4.6 police interceptor one because that one go more faster because with the tune the government right here in Puerto Rico ask for it, is Cain of good and it go faster to 140-160MPH because of the final drive, the differential they lowered to have more mph and if you check in the internet, information how the government just change every thing about police cars and now they have super charge cars like the dodge and some other ford cars charge to because it was hard to catch some stupid daily driven car that people use the to illegal races so that answer how hard right here in Puerto Rico people work in their cars.:iceslolan

And for the 280zx yes you can have good set up if you go turbo, if you go N/A with that car for real you are going to spend those 20K believe me look people don't realize this with a turbo or nitro it can run fast any car if you set them the right way look if my grandma when she was a live, if she did want to do a set up just like that one with some nitrous or turbo I know she would have a good tome in the track with her wheelchair.

English please....

I honestly think its hilarious how you guys automatically assume I'm talking about muscle cars beating your little Hondas.

Just to clear things up. I agree that some imports are great cars for both performance and fuel economy. but no Honda with the same amount of money in it, can beat a car in the same class with the same amount of cash put into it.

You take an S2000 I beat you with a 280zx a Z28 Camaro a Mustang GT and thousands of other possible candidates.

I have some Puerto Rico race track videos if you like to see the I put the links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEKq3q3bRTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulee2XCgxU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6YIluLXGsE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QggludVj1nA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EturMympb-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HCs9RC6YCY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPgH7zUfs8w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jp2MrOZe54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EturMympb-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JvbUBdRpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPgH7zUfs8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh7vUADiVT8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KO3eMyEeOg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGA-rU2ZIjI

and for the united states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFFudEJnjk&NR=1

:evillol:

English please....


sorry man I tried to be understandable with my writing, I'm missing a lot of words but maybe is because I'm trying to convert from Spanish to English what I want to express, and that way I'm doing it is wrong but at least I tried, thanks man :shakehead :crying:

your welcome,

And the first S2000 is an $80,000+ drag racer.
Te last S2000 is a prime example of someone spending an obscene amount of money on a sub-par car

Didn't watch all the ones inbetween but from what I saw their all very heavily modfied drag cars that, to be honest, arn't even that fast

Here this one costs way less than your shmancy S2000 and is way cheaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_7Cy9xDlb0&NR=1