Scale model wheels and tires database


jano11
06-17-2009, 10:50 AM
Anyone aware of a database that would contain majority, if not all, of the available automotive scale model wheels and tires?
One that contains names, pictures and sizes of these articles.

I was looking for one and didn't find it, but maybe I just missed it on google's pages.

BVC500
06-17-2009, 11:06 AM
That would be nice.

And it would be even nicer if some manufacturer produced the 20 inch BBS wheels for the Ferrari 599 and 612 that I know a lot of people would like to have...I'm still waiting...

jano11
06-17-2009, 11:17 AM
In this case I'll have to start putting together my own.
Anyone interested to contribute with data from the kit or aftermarket wheels they own?

mike@af
06-17-2009, 11:24 AM
In this case I'll have to start putting together my own.
Anyone interested to contribute with data from the kit or aftermarket wheels they own?

Just because they're sitting right here next to me.

Aoshima Volk TE37 19"

MPWR
06-17-2009, 11:31 AM
In this case I'll have to start putting together my own.
Anyone interested to contribute with data from the kit or aftermarket wheels they own?

Sure. Come up with a decent format for information, and I'm sure people will contribute.

jano11
06-17-2009, 12:03 PM
OK!

Here's what I think it will be needed in order to offer the right information about each wheel set:

1. Scale
2. Kit or aftermarket kit name.
3. Kit number (code)
4. Kit manufacturer name
5. Front wheel diameter
6. Front wheel width
7. Rear wheel diameter
8. Rear wheel width
9. Front tire diameter
10. Rear tire diameter
11. Mounting type
12. Tire manufacturer markings present in the kit (please mention if it's decals or molded on tire)
13. Eventually the manufacturers parts code (for ordering kit parts)

Wheel and tires that come from complete kits or aftermarket kits are all welcome.

Everyone should post the data in this thread and I'll try to filter it into a spreadsheet every day or at least every 2nd day and upload the updated file every week.

I would love to set up a full fledged data base with pictures and also searching possibilities but I do not have the time for doing it right now.

jla
06-17-2009, 01:28 PM
Sounds like a great idea, you should probably cover the mounting type as well though. I'll definitely start working through my collection kits to contribute.

You should also post up the spread sheet format too, might be easier for you to compile the information that way.

jano11
06-17-2009, 02:03 PM
You should also post up the spread sheet format too, might be easier for you to compile the information that way.

Spread sheet format, containing one example, attached to this message.

Edit: Spread sheet modified and added a couple of posts down this thread.

rallymaster
06-17-2009, 02:22 PM
A wheels data base is a great idea, but in my opinion diameter and width aren't the first things modelers are looking for...
I personaly won't measure my wheels !! what counts to be accurate is the number of spokes, of nuts... etc.
I would prefer these informations rather than measurements I never used to determinate which wheels I should use or swap or modify.
that said I must precise I mostly build rally cars (so I guess every one know what a OZ 206 WRC for example has to be and how wide and long it has to be more than for road cars where measurements can here be one major information to have).
I can bring my contribution with all I have, but don't expect me to measure every wheels !
some informations such has different mounting possibilities may also be interesting for rally cars...
(Peugeot used 5 spokes or 15 spokes in 2002 for example, Ford also swap some 5 spokes for 15 spokes the same year; male or female hub etc etc)
What do you think about it ?

jla
06-17-2009, 02:36 PM
That's a point to consider, but I figure wheel diameter still matters, especially if you're looking to swap tires. I personally don't mind doing a spoke or lug count, should help speed up the sorting process if there's a specific wheel you would be looking for.

jano11
06-17-2009, 02:47 PM
We can certainly add cells to the above spread sheet where you can precise the number of spokes and nuts.

But to be honest, how much it takes to measure the diameter and width of a wheels and tire? 10 seconds?!

PS: Updated spread sheet attached!

rallymaster
06-17-2009, 07:44 PM
But to be honest, how much it takes to measure the diameter and width of a wheels and tire? 10 seconds?!

ONE wheel maybe but for dozens ?!
And moreover I completely disagree, it doesn't take 10 seconds to correctly measure one wheel AND one tyre, and I'm not sure I would trust someone's measurements made in only 10 seconds !!
And as I said I don't do that because it's not my critery when looking for a wheel, a tyre and/or a wheel can be adjusted one on the other if width isn't perfect (you only need to know the size represented, 15", 18" etc), but you don't have any accuracy and realism if you put a 4 spokes instead of a 5 one !
I personaly build model cars to make them look like what they are supposed to represent, what to care with wheels problems and questions if not ??
To be honest I don't really understand how modelers can say they "do not mind" about that if they are trying to represent something real... :eek7:
And I can't believe people not caring about accuracy use to on the otehr hand precisely measure their wheels !!??
Do you honestly measure each wheel you use ?? Do you honestly decide to use a wheel only because it would be a 49.35 mm and not a 49.55 mm one when both are given for 18" (it's only an example) ??
I can't believe that and by the way none of the aftermarket items I've been able to see or get in hands don't mention measurements but only the siez of original wheel: 18", 19" etc.
but once more I don't need wheels only to give a cool look to a car but to give a car what it raced with... So maybe it's only a different concept of a wheel use, even if also when i build something else that a rally car I try to respect nuts number and such things of what was on the real or original car.
(I won't put a 5 nuts wheel on a Citroen 2CV for example ! :evillol:)
I can understand wheel measurements can be usefull when modifying a model, but I doubt it should be the main thing to list completely forgetting so major and primary informations such as inch scale, nuts number, spokes number...
I have seen dozen of times modelers looking for a good 18" OZ 15 spokes, or for a 17" Speedline 6 spokes, but I never saw any modeler looking for a 49.35 mm wheel without specifying which type of wheel...
Measurements surely can be a good complement when there is a doubt on the most apropriated item to choose but imo not the first element to determinate a choice.

but do what you want, I was only giving my oipinion of what should be taken in consideration to make such a database usefull for a maximum of persons according to my own experience and questions frequently asked to me by less experimented modelers.
If you are interested by my contribution you'll get it, but don't expect me to measure each of my rally wheel (I probably would for some perhaps more difficult to find or to identify) if you even don't list elements usefull to determinate choice of them... (because if so such a list would be completely obsolete to me and to rally modelers, so I would have to make my own one).

PS: your second sheet seems more usefull to me now ! :smile:

jla
06-17-2009, 08:17 PM
Well there's still some useful information to be had from measured wheel sizes especially if you're planning on raiding a kit for tires and want to know if it will fit the rims you've have.

I've had tires dry, crack, and split in time due to "snug" fits, so I think that measurement will help more in terms of fit instead of looks. I'm sure you can always sand down wheels a bit, but at least this way you'd know for sure.

Wasn't there a set of Fujimi wheels in the past that were supposed 17" wheels, but then measured and looked smaller or closer to 16"? I think it was TE-37s of which I just ordered 2 sets in 17" so I'm hoping not :runaround:
That's the kind of information I want, especially if looking into aftermarket wheel sets.

Plus digital calipers is everyone's friend in this case.


rallymaster - I'll save you some time since I focus mainly on rally models too :biggrin: we should work something out so we don't double up work.

rallymaster
06-17-2009, 10:00 PM
Well there's still some useful information to be had from measured wheel sizes especially if you're planning on raiding a kit for tires and want to know if it will fit the rims you've have.

I've had tires dry, crack, and split in time due to "snug" fits, so I think that measurement will help more in terms of fit instead of looks. I'm sure you can always sand down wheels a bit, but at least this way you'd know for sure.

Wasn't there a set of Fujimi wheels in the past that were supposed 17" wheels, but then measured and looked smaller or closer to 16"? I think it was TE-37s of which I just ordered 2 sets in 17" so I'm hoping not :runaround:
That's the kind of information I want, especially if looking into aftermarket wheel sets.

Plus digital calipers is everyone's friend in this case.


rallymaster - I'll save you some time since I focus mainly on rally models too :biggrin: we should work something out so we don't double up work.

Of course you're right, and I didn't want to pretend measurements are completely useless, they are usefull especially as you said if you're trying to find a wheel that match a car and if its size his the key of the chose to respect a scale...
that's more true when mixing kit brands.
But on the other hand what would bring measurements without any information about design, scale supposed to be (we all know there are some differences from a brand to another), usual cars using it...

The more I read about that the more I think that the first listing idea mostly correspond to road car buildind and how to find a cool wheel for my perosnal build according to what it is, than to a referencing of wheels and cars correspondances (as I mostly saw that myself when thinking of it).
So perhaps we should hold two lists, one for wheels in general, one for racing use (??), listing wheels from kits or aftermarket items that could match a car or another depending on sizes on one hand, and listing used wheels for each car and their correspondances depending on design and scales on the other hand.
but that would be very complicated and long work...
I suppose that listing wheels from existing kits would be interesting too.
What do you think about it ?

Next problem would be to cross both lists, for example to know that Metro 6R4 wheels or Audi Quattro ones could also fit that road/modified/converted/etc car or another...
in this case I suppose measurements must be needed (it's right that I wouldn't be able to determinate special wheels and personal cars build match without measurements because racing wheels are known by their scale and design and their usual destination - I mean car(s) using them).
Nevertheless I can imagine a racing wheels list without the main first used informations like what I already said upon.

I'm trying to modify or convert some wheels for my to do racing cars, from existing parts most of the time, and the first thing I look at is the design (won't chose a 15 spokes wheel if I have to convert a 6 one for example) and the scale. Only after this first selection I try to see if this supposed scale match the real scale of the model, and if width has to be corrected or not. It's sure that if the wheel appears too narrow it can be easyerly modified than if the wheel simply is too small, but I never used the measurements for a first determination or selection. I sometimes verified them to see if I was on the right way, but I generaly better trust my feeling than mathematics, because modeling isn't a perfect science ! :p

I'll try to see what I could do with my rally kits and wheels to serve expectations of most people here.
This list is a trully good idea so it has to be usefull for the most people possible. :naughty:


And I'll be pleased to work with another rally fan ! :iceslolan
Feel free to contact me jla if you want it :smile:

jla
06-18-2009, 12:43 AM
Just curious how you want to handle the images for the database. Obviously inserting the image in a cell is not the prettiest way to do things....

wheel database spreadsheet (http://www.mediafire.com/?itionlymnim)

Already exceeded the af forum limits for file size :iceslolan

jano11
06-18-2009, 03:14 AM
ONE wheel maybe but for dozens ?!
And moreover I completely disagree, it doesn't take 10 seconds to correctly measure one wheel AND one tyre, and I'm not sure I would trust someone's measurements made in only 10 seconds !!

Let's not get carried away!
Measuring a wheel with a caliper, even a manual one, it does not take more than 10 seconds.Than you add the tire and measure it too.

Let's say 1 minute per set of wheels. Is that so much time lost in order to get a useful database that everyone will be able to use?



And as I said I don't do that because it's not my critery

I understand that, and that's why I added your criteria to the spread sheet form.

PS: Almost forgot! While you posted 2 long messages you would have had time to measure a few wheel sets! :p

jano11
06-18-2009, 03:17 AM
Just curious how you want to handle the images for the database. Obviously inserting the image in a cell is not the prettiest way to do things....

wheel database spreadsheet (http://www.mediafire.com/?itionlymnim)

Already exceeded the af forum limits for file size :iceslolan

I think we will need to use smaller images, and a way of doing that might be assembling the tire on the wheel for the side picture, and than maybe add a picture with thread pattern to it's right or left side. This way the cells will be kept lower.

I'll be adding wheels and tires from all my kits during this and next week end.
All of you who want to participate are free to join. :)

rallymaster
06-18-2009, 09:11 AM
Let's not get carried away!
Measuring a wheel with a caliper, even a manual one, it does not take more than 10 seconds.Than you add the tire and measure it too.

Let's say 1 minute per set of wheels. Is that so much time lost in order to get a useful database that everyone will be able to use?

1 minute isn't 10 seconds, and knowing myself I really doubt I would be able to correctly measure a wheel and a tyre in 10 seconds even if you can.
but that's right if it can help more people time needed has to be taken.


PS: Almost forgot! While you posted 2 long messages you would have had time to measure a few wheel sets! :p

:icon16: :rofl:

jla
06-18-2009, 02:15 PM
I tweaked the layout a little bit...

database (http://www.mediafire.com/?tnymqonooyd)

I will start taking pictures of the tires mounted on the wheels too in the future.

jano11
06-18-2009, 03:45 PM
I tweaked the layout a little bit...

database (http://www.mediafire.com/?tnymqonooyd)

I will start taking pictures of the tires mounted on the wheels too in the future.

Great idea with adding the real wheel picture.

91p10nizmo
06-19-2009, 02:26 AM
I have these two sites saved they are only Aoshima though.

VIP wheel sets
http://www.quietrage.com/modelcars/aos_vip/aos_vip.htm

AOSHIMA S-PARTS WHEEL GALLERY
http://www.quietrage.com/modelcars/aos_spart/aos_spart.htm

jla
06-19-2009, 12:01 PM
I really would like to see that site but for some reason I'm getting this message:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n282/jlafc3s/Warning.jpg

??? Anyone have any issues with that site?

jano11
06-19-2009, 12:38 PM
I really would like to see that site but for some reason I'm getting this message:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n282/jlafc3s/Warning.jpg

??? Anyone have any issues with that site?

Same here.

jla
06-20-2009, 02:16 AM
Partial update, I still have about 29 kits or so to add to my list...

database (http://www.mediafire.com/?yuymjfynztw)
I am actually re organizing and getting ready to put my kits into cold storage, otherwise I would probably go nuts going this...

Oh and if anyone out there knows the specific model names for the wheels, or sees any incorrect information please let me know..

ericmaxman
06-20-2009, 09:12 AM
guys, how I wish I could help you guys on this, as I do have quite some rims with me.. thing is, I'm not at home, and not sure when can I get home.. problems with studying away from home..

rallymaster
06-20-2009, 10:25 AM
database (http://www.mediafire.com/?yuymjfynztw)
Oh and if anyone out there knows the specific model names for the wheels, or sees any incorrect information please let me know..

Excellent work !
The only thing I would appreciate to find is the supposed inch scale of the model (18" for WRC, etc) because I think this infirmation can also be a good clue to choose wheels.
I'll be busy the whole next week free time by another hobby but I'll try to start listing my stuff the week after.

jano11
06-22-2009, 05:15 AM
Partial update, I still have about 29 kits or so to add to my list...

database (http://www.mediafire.com/?yuymjfynztw)
I am actually re organizing and getting ready to put my kits into cold storage, otherwise I would probably go nuts going this...

Oh and if anyone out there knows the specific model names for the wheels, or sees any incorrect information please let me know..

Wow!
Great work. Thanks a lot! :thumbsup:

I'll add it tonight to my list and post the spread sheet here!

AAlmeida
06-22-2009, 08:25 AM
Great job! Thank you.

scale auto style
06-23-2009, 10:49 PM
hi guy's i think my work will help you VERY much. i'm working on a complete database of EVERYTHING done in 1/24 - 1/25 scale. not only the tires and wheels but EVERYTHING. cars, trucks, military, sci-fi, from major manufacturer like tamiya, aoshima, revell, MPC, Johan, imai, otaki etc.. but also from the cottage industry. every resin kit, photo-etched made. it's a BIG and hard work to do.

i,m working with MySql for the database.

the job is mostly done for the US manufacturer. also tamiya is also done. thay are not ready to be upload on my server i have to do a couple more test before lunching them. so if you want to participate in my project your help will be VERY appreciate.

jla
06-24-2009, 01:49 AM
hi guy's i think my work will help you VERY much. i'm working on a complete database of EVERYTHING done in 1/24 - 1/25 scale. not only the tires and wheels but EVERYTHING. cars, trucks, military, sci-fi, from major manufacturer like tamiya, aoshima, revell, MPC, Johan, imai, otaki etc.. but also from the cottage industry. every resin kit, photo-etched made. it's a BIG and hard work to do.

i,m working with MySql for the database.

the job is mostly done for the US manufacturer. also tamiya is also done. thay are not ready to be upload on my server i have to do a couple more test before lunching them. so if you want to participate in my project your help will be VERY appreciate.


Completely off topic, but did you just buy out SAS? I guess the answer is pretty obvious from the user name and avatar. Congrats on the purchase! When can I get the TME Evo 6 transkit :iceslolan

As far as the wheel database goes, I'm not very familiar with SQL databases. Is it difficult to work with?

If anything could you post a list of the kits you've covered thus far so anyone who wants to help will know what you have covered?

jano11
06-24-2009, 05:16 AM
hi guy's i think my work will help you VERY much. i'm working on a complete database of EVERYTHING done in 1/24 - 1/25 scale. not only the tires and wheels but EVERYTHING. cars, trucks, military, sci-fi, from major manufacturer like tamiya, aoshima, revell, MPC, Johan, imai, otaki etc.. but also from the cottage industry. every resin kit, photo-etched made. it's a BIG and hard work to do.

i,m working with MySql for the database.

the job is mostly done for the US manufacturer. also tamiya is also done. thay are not ready to be upload on my server i have to do a couple more test before lunching them. so if you want to participate in my project your help will be VERY appreciate.

Hi Seb,

Excellent news. That's a dream that might come true.
We will sure be happy to participate.
As pointed out by jla please let us know what did you got in your DB so that we don't work on them anymore.

I hope your DB will have free access for everyone. :)

scale auto style
06-24-2009, 05:38 AM
FREE for everyone
it's on my shoulder
for the one who want to send me file, send them in Excell format. i will put a download file with an example on it. it will be easier for everybody. i have to leave with the family now... (it's quebec day) so small trip to the town with the gang. as soon as i return i will made the link.

thank'S in advance

yours


PS: what's done.... kit only ( ALL american major manufacturer + tamiya )
but i will need picture for a lot of old kit. i will put how to name it in my excell file.

ONE more thing. i want to do a COMPLETE database for the modeler. so this the thing that will be avaible.

Picture of every kit, picture of the decals sheet, picture of the COMPLETE instruction sheet ( for people buying on ebay a SUPPOSED to be complete kit but missing the F#$#% sheet (hihihi) it's happen sometime.

the felowwing is not done at the moment for my American model or tamiya but i have to do them before i continue with the other.

in the description i want to know what kind of engine you can do, also the type of wheel and tire included, if it's a RE-pop where did they came from.

that's it...

good day

jano11
06-27-2009, 03:18 PM
Updated the updated DB with a couple more kit wheels:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3jwml5jetmw

tonioseven
06-28-2009, 08:29 PM
I have a couple sets of wheels; I'll do what I can to offer some information.

jla
06-29-2009, 11:44 PM
Alright I've finally finished listing all of my 1/24, and 1/25 kits, well that is until more stuff arrives in the post:iceslolan. I added Jano's info to the end of my sheet.

I've still got a lot of measuring and research to do for the real wheel specs and what not.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wxwwmmzw2kg

Again if anyone sees any incorrect information for the real wheels please let me know.

geronimo77
06-30-2009, 03:42 AM
Very nice file. congratulation

I would be glad if you can include my wheels into this database. Please let me know if you need some data.
You can find photos on my site

Thank you and regards
Gergo

jano11
06-30-2009, 05:14 AM
Alright I've finally finished listing all of my 1/24, and 1/25 kits, well that is until more stuff arrives in the post:iceslolan. I added Jano's info to the end of my sheet.

I've still got a lot of measuring and research to do for the real wheel specs and what not.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wxwwmmzw2kg

Again if anyone sees any incorrect information for the real wheels please let me know.

Excellent!
I'll have to start moving my rear a bit faster and contribute, a bit more than I did until now, to this database.

jano11
06-30-2009, 05:15 AM
Very nice file. congratulation

I would be glad if you can include my wheels into this database. Please let me know if you need some data.
You can find photos on my site

Thank you and regards
Gergo

Sure Gergo! Everyone is welcome to contribute. :)

You can add them to the above file and upload it so that we can have it too.

jla
07-06-2009, 10:36 PM
Jano, I'd rather see a set of those wheels for the Dino in my mail box over a few more numbers in the spreadsheet:biggrin:

Here's (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c93cd3e85a9a9f9b75a4fc82078ae6c8e04e75f6 e8ebb871) another tiny update.....

jano11
07-07-2009, 04:28 AM
Jano, I'd rather see a set of those wheels for the Dino in my mail box over a few more numbers in the spreadsheet:biggrin:

Here's (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c93cd3e85a9a9f9b75a4fc82078ae6c8e04e75f6 e8ebb871) another tiny update.....

Sorry guys, I'm a bit overbooked at the moment but I'll do my best to add some more entries in the spreadsheet by tonight.

The Dino wheels will be available, but a bit of patience will be needed.

pharr7226
07-12-2009, 05:07 PM
Thanks for doing this and posting it.

brusko24
07-18-2009, 09:46 AM
Hi guys! I've got quite the experience with MSExcel from images to report building. PM me if you need any help.:naughty:
As for the tire and wheel sets, they're sort of hard to get them here in the philippines. shipping costs too much with a budget.:crying:
Also, this would be great if it was online (for accessibility) with a submit form of sorts. Just my :2cents:.

Great idea by the way.

drunken monkey
07-20-2009, 05:53 PM
Does anyone have the size details for the wheels from the Fujimi Mini Cooper S JCW (http://www.hlj.com/product/FUJ12253) car?

http://www.hlj.com/images/fuj/fuj12253.jpg

also
07-18-2010, 11:11 PM
Hi drunken monkey! you can see you model at online wheels database.
http://tiresize.biz/ Nice widget.

scale auto style
07-19-2010, 06:47 AM
I'm working on this. but got a problem with an SQL querry. if someone of you know SQL / PHP VERY well contact me.

yours

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