Rossi in faith - M1 2005 Sepang

Hi Brothers,

Having a great fun from the Top Studio transkit for '04 M1, I was just had enough at the moment and would like to get some lighter and more relaxed builds. LOL~!:biggrin:

This was actually been started back in 2008 August. But I barely touch it after the fairing is polished. I think I can treat the chassis as a seperate kit now so I can focus on the details around (without the transkit).
I hope I can be doing this soon after a couple of 4-wheelers are done.

Please also find more text descriptions about the progress I have written on my own web: http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005.htm

I am glad to have any comments of any kind.
Enjoy~

Joey

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Nice work so far!!! In have this build in my to do stash but with out any detailed parts.
BTW excellent job on your 04 M1 it has inspired me for a future build which I will for sure use your pics for reference.

Regards,
Adrian

Great work ! I like the shine and the attention to detail on the rear arm to make it like the real one for the inner area.

I will keep the eye on this.. very promising, let's go to work! :smile:

Roca

Paintwork looks flawless. I wish I could do all the cowls before I start with the details and frame/engine. I sort of go everywhere at once...
/Joel

is that telefonica blue youre using? its a very nice color.. too bad i never managed to succeed painting with that color... T_T

subscribed!!!!! i followed your last build and can't wait to see how this one turns out...

Stuart

Bodywork looks fantastic, nice work so far

A little update from the weekend.
Since I didn't apply TS trasnkit for this kit, some new aftermarket parts are in use for details. (but i guess those metal tuned parts still cost me a lot.....LOL)

http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090607_7.jpg
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090607_8.jpg

Nice progress!! I forgot to ask... on the body you first applied primer next colour decals and clear and then did you sanded with P2000 and applied compound? I want to use that product for my next build...

Bye!!
Roca.

Thanks all brothers above and I am really glad for all your comments.
I have started picking this up recently and I really hope this can be done soon as I dare to start the 08M1 now~ HAHA~~


To Roca46: my steps are as follows:
primer > sanded lightly with 2000 sand paper to smoothen the surface for paint >
Gunze Gloss black as a base coat for metalic blue > metalic blue from Ricebox >
a thin layer of clear coat as to seal the metalic paint before decals > decals >
clear coat that is thick enough for polishment > sanded with #1500 sand paper to flaten the stepping effect from decals >
sanded with #2000 sand paper for smooth surface > polishing with Modeler compound 2000 for gloss.

these steps are almost identical to the rest of my recent builds. I had put an article about polishing or better say car model body processing in chinese in my web site. i have translate about half into eng in fact, but i have been too lazy to complete that.....
but i guess the pics inside may still help about knowing the concept behind.
hope these help~

Thank you Joey!

Your tip will be very useful, for sure I must put in practise on my next build, thank's!

Roca.

Added the weildings on the swing arms. And then I got the whole thing primed.
I am just about to accept the result. I may have to round a bit those weildings to make it softer and be more natural........
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090609_1.jpg
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090609_2.jpg

Coming next will be the main frame. I am not going to fill the insside with putty as I found it hard to be smoothened with those junctions and joints. As I probably will not open up the fairings after it is finished, I would prefer to save those sweating.....
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090609_3.jpg

Some more update over the weekend. The main chassis is touched up and was painted together with the swing arms. Some decals are applied over it and to be coated with a little flat clear coating (hope to give a semi-glossy effect this time than just a matt layout)
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090614_1.jpg
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http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090614_4.jpg

And I started to paint the engine and exhausts as well. I used SM07 on this.
Many people have asked about what chrome to use on these kind of exhaust. In my own thought, since Alcad #107 can easily been tuned down by paints on top of it, I really don't think it is a good option for bike's exhausts even its chrome is superb. And since I will be doing some more work on top of the silvery, I am using Gunze SM paint to make sure the paint stick with the ground and not being tuned down by the clear colors that I am going to put on it.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090614_5.jpg

Great job!

I can see that you finally filled the inside of the frame with putty... well done :iceslolan . Fantastic work on the welds!


Roca.

Great job!

I can see that you finally filled the inside of the frame with putty... well done :iceslolan . Fantastic work on the welds!
Roca.

Yup. Finally I changed my mind and get rid of it....
But I didn't really do it so well as I have clued the parts together before, so the sanding job is much more difficult and I didn't do it completely at all....
But afterall those were not so visible and I think this taught me another lesson anyway.:runaround::runaround::runaround:

Like the one on '04 M1, the clutch cover was a little far from the real one. So I have made a move to fix it a bit.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090615_1.jpg

I've spent a night painting the engine and the stuffs around.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090616_1.jpg

And the ceramic brake discs were also painted.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090616_2.jpg

A little more update for the clutch cover.
I have used 3 kinds of metal tuned screws for the details
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090617_1.jpg
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090617_2.jpg

Clutch looks fabulous, have you made the screws yourself or have you bought them?
/Joel

Nice clutch!

Did you planned to let the airbox black or you will use carbon fiber on it?

Bye.
Roca.

Clutch looks fabulous, have you made the screws yourself or have you bought them?
/Joel

Thanks bro~
Those screws were bought and were of various size and blends. but afterall these different screws get together and are looking close to what it looks like from my reference pics.

Nice clutch!

Did you planned to let the airbox black or you will use carbon fiber on it?

Bye.
Roca.

Ha~ I just been looking at another thread down from the car modeling sectionm, saying the effect of a gloss base and a flat base for CF decal would come out differently. So I am goign to try it out on that airbox~
I am still not sure if the said difference is true or not so let's sort it out this time~:naughty:

Ha~ I just been looking at another thread down from the car modeling sectionm, saying the effect of a gloss base and a flat base for CF decal would come out differently. So I am goign to try it out on that airbox~
I am still not sure if the said difference is true or not so let's sort it out this time~:naughty:

Wow!! That's interesting :naughty: I will wait for the result.

Roca.

It was great to had a whole day out from my girl and stayed home watching the last Silverstone GP and progress with my M1. LOL~~~
Here is an update for the muffler.

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Great progress on that exhaust pipe!

Hope to see more pictures soon.

Roca.

Exhaust looks great! About the gloss/flat idea, will it not be tough to stick the decal to the flat base, I know Steve (Hiroboy) told me to stick decals directly to the Zero base paints but I'm still a bit afraid to try it. Perhaps the only thing to be afraid off is silvering effect and that is not going to happen with CF.
/Joel

Exhaust looks great! About the gloss/flat idea, will it not be tough to stick the decal to the flat base, I know Steve (Hiroboy) told me to stick decals directly to the Zero base paints but I'm still a bit afraid to try it. Perhaps the only thing to be afraid off is silvering effect and that is not going to happen with CF.
/Joel

Yeh~ Same idea as here~!:smooch:
So I am just going to try it out and see if I can see any difference that I have missed out before. (I have the rear fender primed and painted in Gunze #2, which is gloss black to compare with)
In my experience (mostly on AFV and Airplane models on which the base color are mostly matt colors), decals applied on flat surface always expose to great degree of silvering, much due to the concept where the decal is not fully attached to the surface.
As long as the decal can still be pasted firmly, the silvering is visible enough to ruin the entire kit! So most of the time when I am goign to apply decals, I usually make sure the surface is gloss enough.

But for CF decals, the silvering CANNOT be happening at all. So that would not make a very much difference in terms of how things ending up. But let's see if I have missed out anything when the two larger parts are covered.

I really like the exhaust. I have a question, though. The things that the springs attach to--where did you get them? Or, did you make them? If so, how did you make them? I can't seem to find a good reference pic so I can make my own or find a place to buy 'em here in the States...

Daniel

I really like the exhaust. I have a question, though. The things that the springs attach to--where did you get them? Or, did you make them? If so, how did you make them? I can't seem to find a good reference pic so I can make my own or find a place to buy 'em here in the States...

Daniel

Thanks Daniel~!
The mounts bringing the springs together are just metal rods that I found handy from my mum's utilities. Those plastic bags for putting food into refrig are usually carrying some wires; same for electronic devices where their wires are wrapped up.
http://www.buymebuyme.com/retail/skin1/prodimages/46492.jpg
I've found these thin metal wire very useful when doing model kits. So I have "Stolen" many of those from my mum~
They are easily banded and sticked on the exhaust with super glue.

Great idea on the wires :iceslolan

I'm starting to feel curiosity for the carbon fiber techniques...

Roca.

So, here is comes after a couple of nights of decal works (I can now only sit on my bench for 1 or at most 2 hours every night on weekdays...)
the fender is a glossy surface(base?) and the airbox is a matt surface(base) for the CF decals.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090624_1.jpg

As the pic shows, the difference is minimal to what the finish looks like. But I can tell the texture of the surface is a slightly different, just as the matt surface is rougher than that of a gloss surface. but after all, both things are to be coated with Clear coat and that will not be of any difference afterwards.

I have actually revisited the post before
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=954716
and I should say, i will still stick on what i was thinking about the silvering and the decal sticking better on smoother surface. It is up to any situation where the object is desired to be in a rougher texture(just a little rough) and if it is to be coated with clear coat.
Hope this little test did not confuse anyone......XD

So, here is comes after a couple of nights of decal works (I can now only sit on my bench for 1 or at most 2 hours every night on weekdays...)
the fender is a glossy surface(base?) and the airbox is a matt surface(base) for the CF decals.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090624_1.jpg

As the pic shows, the difference is minimal to what the finish looks like. But I can tell the texture of the surface is a slightly different, just as the matt surface is rougher than that of a gloss surface. but after all, both things are to be coated with Clear coat and that will not be of any difference afterwards.

I have actually revisited the post before
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=954716
and I should say, i will still stick on what i was thinking about the silvering and the decal sticking better on smoother surface. It is up to any situation where the object is desired to be in a rougher texture(just a little rough) and if it is to be coated with clear coat.
Hope this little test did not confuse anyone......XD

This is the way I see it. It needs to be glossy if it's fairly recent. Now, if you're looking at 80's, then it needs to be flat. (Just look at some pics of the Lotus 99T for evidence.) I have been using the Hi-def SMS decals, and they're pretty glossy to start with and also very dark so no darkening is necessary. There are no CF parts on these bikes that are not glossy. Thus, all should be glossy if you want to be accurate. Now, you need to be able to see the weave through the gloss. In other words, don't put the gloss on so thick that it's like the body panels. It just needs to be thick enough to gloss it up. (The actual CF on cars is glossy.)

No offense, but that CF decal is not good looking. No pattern to it. Yick. Try SMS or Studio 27. (I prefer SMS.)

Daniel

This is the way I see it. It needs to be glossy if it's fairly recent. Now, if you're looking at 80's, then it needs to be flat. (Just look at some pics of the Lotus 99T for evidence.) I have been using the Hi-def SMS decals, and they're pretty glossy to start with and also very dark so no darkening is necessary. There are no CF parts on these bikes that are not glossy. Thus, all should be glossy if you want to be accurate. Now, you need to be able to see the weave through the gloss. In other words, don't put the gloss on so thick that it's like the body panels. It just needs to be thick enough to gloss it up. (The actual CF on cars is glossy.)

No offense, but that CF decal is not good looking. No pattern to it. Yick. Try SMS or Studio 27. (I prefer SMS.)

Daniel

Morning Daniel, (it is 9:30am here is HK:iceslolan)

I perfectly agree that the Carbon parts on this M1 is polished for sure. But I was still wonder what the actual Carbon piece looks like. I had a chance to look at a carbon chassis and that is not polished at all in raw form. So I still hold back the opinion on whether a Carbon piece should always be glossy in recent auto.
The point in my mind for these MotoGP bike is that, they do polished the parts to brighten it up. On bikes, these pieces are already at the outside and are clearly visible. So polishing these CF parts just make the bike looks better.
That's why when we do the model kits, most of us will have it clear coated.

In F1, that is another issue. Those CF parts are lying under the cover. Thus not as visible as the bikes. Even if they are polished, it will not help a great deal to make the F1 better. So why worthe the work?!
On a scale model, I have seen a couple of works that the 99T is full of carbon decals coated with matt clear. For sure it add a great deal of realism as we can found those reference. But the first and foremost, the model itself is just replicating the real stuffs.
I am also building a FW24 a month ago. Just I am bored enough to get rid of all the CF decals around the chassis that I have jump out and start other kits. I am still wondering around if I am going do a gloss surface on them or just a semi gloss to replicate their true texture.

Back to the pattern itself, I am using S27 CF on these two blocks actually. It is in M size so probably the "lines" would not turn out to be as thin as that on the SMS decals. but I do like this pattern well as I did on my 04 M1 Test bike. So I just go ahead to have it here for 05.

(It's been long for a great technical discussion! In this way we all learn something from it! :smooch: Please let me know what you think~~ )

Morning Daniel, (it is 9:30am here is HK:iceslolan)

I perfectly agree that the Carbon parts on this M1 is polished for sure. But I was still wonder what the actual Carbon piece looks like. I had a chance to look at a carbon chassis and that is not polished at all in raw form. So I still hold back the opinion on whether a Carbon piece should always be glossy in recent auto.
The point in my mind for these MotoGP bike is that, they do polished the parts to brighten it up. On bikes, these pieces are already at the outside and are clearly visible. So polishing these CF parts just make the bike looks better.
That's why when we do the model kits, most of us will have it clear coated.

In F1, that is another issue. Those CF parts are lying under the cover. Thus not as visible as the bikes. Even if they are polished, it will not help a great deal to make the F1 better. So why worthe the work?!
On a scale model, I have seen a couple of works that the 99T is full of carbon decals coated with matt clear. For sure it add a great deal of realism as we can found those reference. But the first and foremost, the model itself is just replicating the real stuffs.
I am also building a FW24 a month ago. Just I am bored enough to get rid of all the CF decals around the chassis that I have jump out and start other kits. I am still wondering around if I am going do a gloss surface on them or just a semi gloss to replicate their true texture.

Back to the pattern itself, I am using S27 CF on these two blocks actually. It is in M size so probably the "lines" would not turn out to be as thin as that on the SMS decals. but I do like this pattern well as I did on my 04 M1 Test bike. So I just go ahead to have it here for 05.

(It's been long for a great technical discussion! In this way we all learn something from it! :smooch: Please let me know what you think~~ )

Then I guess now I should say good evening! (It's 7AM here...)

When I say that the CF is "glossy," what I mean is that it is very reflective. However, you can still see, within the gloss, the texture. So, with a normal decal, you clear coat it, polish it and voila--it's perfectly smooth. However, the CF parts of the bike aren't that way at all.

One good way of testing my theory is to go to youtube and see if you can find a video or pic of a rear-facing onboard camera. Generally, they're mounted just above (or on) the rear mudguard which almost always is bare CF. When the sun angles low on it, you can see the pattern in the reflection. This says that the gloss isn't smooth, or else it would not show the texture in the reflection.

The Hi-Def CF from SMS has this texture in it. It's like the new 3D CF from S27. Pretty neat stuff. I'll try and post up some pics of my stuff later today (or for you tomorrow morning!). I'm building the '06 Konica Honda and I'm using the above SMS decals. They are really good to work with.

Take care!

Daniel

Hi guys

There is an interesting conversation right here... :p

Well I don't know much about CF decals, I worked with some of them a long time ago, I used Studio27 Museum collection SMS and Modelers. I suppose that nowadays the decals are way better than the ones I used in the past although Modelers CF (and for what I heard now SMS) were and are great!

My opinion (about the shine and the matt) is that the rear fender from the Motogp era are glossy, here is an image I took back on 2006 from the 05 bike. It seems like the chain protections and other small parts aren't too much glossy

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Varios/m1fender.JPG

The carbon fiber parts used on the interior of the bike like the airbox etc.. are matt I suppose because there is no need to give them a shine if those parts will not been seen from the exterior.

But don't know about texture of the decals... never heard of 3D texture from Studio27.

That's an interesting point but you will get the best results by looking at the real bike and testing different decals from different brands on different conditions (flat base etc etc)

But now that I remember on seeing M1 live... the rear fender took my attention because it was shining a lot.. and for what I remember I didn't saw any texture on the surface... it was very smooth like a piece of plastic... but who knows maybe I remembered it wrong.

Roca.

Then I guess now I should say good evening! (It's 7AM here...)

When I say that the CF is "glossy," what I mean is that it is very reflective. However, you can still see, within the gloss, the texture. So, with a normal decal, you clear coat it, polish it and voila--it's perfectly smooth. However, the CF parts of the bike aren't that way at all.

One good way of testing my theory is to go to youtube and see if you can find a video or pic of a rear-facing onboard camera. Generally, they're mounted just above (or on) the rear mudguard which almost always is bare CF. When the sun angles low on it, you can see the pattern in the reflection. This says that the gloss isn't smooth, or else it would not show the texture in the reflection.

The Hi-Def CF from SMS has this texture in it. It's like the new 3D CF from S27. Pretty neat stuff. I'll try and post up some pics of my stuff later today (or for you tomorrow morning!). I'm building the '06 Konica Honda and I'm using the above SMS decals. They are really good to work with.

Take care!

Daniel

Ha~ We are actually at the opposite side on the world~! Brilliant AF bring us into this point!!:iceslolan
Yes I understand about the smoothless of those carbon pieces on these bikes. Like I said before, those parts are polished to reach this.
In the modeling world, however, the S27 3D-CF is just about to give such close result closest to real Carbon fibres. Before this, we can hard found any way to replicate such pattern. That is why it has been controversial in choosing CF DECALS. I myself has been working on a lot of CF decals in recent years. And in my opinion, S27 Cartograf is of the best quality and I love doing with it. My second choice will be SMS decals but it has been hard to get here in HK in past few years. So S27 will always be in my pocket and I use them quite a lot~ There are some other CF decal like Modeler's and Crazy modoler's that I found it very cost effective to use in certain parts of certain kit. These sheets that I have just named are all in what I will call "Static pattern" as the pattern will not change with light reflection. In my years of modeling experience, these "Static pattern" has been the major representation for carbon fiber.
Of cause, tech advancement let us reach the moon.(LOL) and now we have S27 3D CF and I am also eager to give them a try. As I get around the Internet looking for actual example of how the result looks like, it seems no one is posting about this 3D decal yet. I really look forward to the pic~:smooch: Let us all reach the moon~:iceslolan

Hi guys

There is an interesting conversation right here... :p

Well I don't know much about CF decals, I worked with some of them a long time ago, I used Studio27 Museum collection SMS and Modelers. I suppose that nowadays the decals are way better than the ones I used in the past although Modelers CF (and for what I heard now SMS) were and are great!

My opinion (about the shine and the matt) is that the rear fender from the Motogp era are glossy, here is an image I took back on 2006 from the 05 bike. It seems like the chain protections and other small parts aren't too much glossy

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Varios/m1fender.JPG

The carbon fiber parts used on the interior of the bike like the airbox etc.. are matt I suppose because there is no need to give them a shine if those parts will not been seen from the exterior.

But don't know about texture of the decals... never heard of 3D texture from Studio27.

That's an interesting point but you will get the best results by looking at the real bike and testing different decals from different brands on different conditions (flat base etc etc)

But now that I remember on seeing M1 live... the rear fender took my attention because it was shining a lot.. and for what I remember I didn't saw any texture on the surface... it was very smooth like a piece of plastic... but who knows maybe I remembered it wrong.

Roca.

Hi Roca~ (What is your local time now?:naughty:)
I can't imagine "WHAT" i will look like if I see a M1 live~!!!!!!!
i am now plannign to go to Sepang this Oct~~~:smokin::smokin::smokin: Hoping to get a live touch of my hero~:sunglasse

Hi Roca~ (What is your local time now?:naughty:)
I can't imagine "WHAT" i will look like if I see a M1 live~!!!!!!!
i am now plannign to go to Sepang this Oct~~~:smokin::smokin::smokin: Hoping to get a live touch of my hero~:sunglasse

Great!!!! Here in spain is 4:37 PM

Believe me, I never saw a race bike until 2006 where I went to the Catalunya race and all those motorcycle shows beautiful shape.. beautiful colours... awesome sound... Those bikes are indescribable... :iceslolan

Cheers!!!
Roca.

Hi guys

There is an interesting conversation right here... :p

Well I don't know much about CF decals, I worked with some of them a long time ago, I used Studio27 Museum collection SMS and Modelers. I suppose that nowadays the decals are way better than the ones I used in the past although Modelers CF (and for what I heard now SMS) were and are great!

My opinion (about the shine and the matt) is that the rear fender from the Motogp era are glossy, here is an image I took back on 2006 from the 05 bike. It seems like the chain protections and other small parts aren't too much glossy

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Varios/m1fender.JPG

The carbon fiber parts used on the interior of the bike like the airbox etc.. are matt I suppose because there is no need to give them a shine if those parts will not been seen from the exterior.

But don't know about texture of the decals... never heard of 3D texture from Studio27.

That's an interesting point but you will get the best results by looking at the real bike and testing different decals from different brands on different conditions (flat base etc etc)

But now that I remember on seeing M1 live... the rear fender took my attention because it was shining a lot.. and for what I remember I didn't saw any texture on the surface... it was very smooth like a piece of plastic... but who knows maybe I remembered it wrong.

Roca.
Nice work, Roca!

Check out any rear view camera and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is very textured, but is glossy. It's definitely not smooth. This is what the 3D S27 and Hi Def SMS decals are trying to achieve. The others are just 2 dimentional and the real thing isn't.

Daniel

Well, just to side track a bit, I have further revised the entire exhaust pipe with different shades of clear color + some silvery revision.
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090625_1.jpg
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090625_2.jpg
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090625_3.jpg

Great work on the exhaust! I just ordered some paints from Alclad 2 called "Hot metals" the colours are hot sepia, hot red and violet if I remember correctly... I will put a report on my website once I use them :icon16:

Nice work, Roca!

Check out any rear view camera and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is very textured, but is glossy. It's definitely not smooth. This is what the 3D S27 and Hi Def SMS decals are trying to achieve. The others are just 2 dimentional and the real thing isn't.

Daniel

Hep! Thank you Daniel!! I should take a look at those decals then... very impressive how they are improving the decal system.

Roca.

Great work on the exhaust! I just ordered some paints from Alclad 2 called "Hot metals" the colours are hot sepia, hot red and violet if I remember correctly... I will put a report on my website once I use them :icon16:



Hep! Thank you Daniel!! I should take a look at those decals then... very impressive how they are improving the decal system.

Roca.

Yep, they are pretty impressive. They are fairly thick and take quite a bit of micro sol, but they look great straight out of the box.

Are the "hot metal" colors just the transparent reds, blues, etc? Why not just use the tamiya acrylics? They're easier to take off if you screw up (ammonia). Just a thought...

Joe--go more intense on the coloring. The real thing is very discolored. I've had problems being too timid myself. Good work so far, though!

Daniel

Hi Roca, Daniel,

Thanks for the tips about the muffler. (In fact does the term Muffler and Exhaust be of any difference? I am not very good in English anyway...)

At the weathering of the muffler, i used differnet shades of enamal clear colors as fine-tuning. This is the first time I am doing it like this and I think I will be able to manage it better next time with a better control over thinner concentration against the paints. I do think Alcad's clear color will be too thinned for such usage. But I think the technique can be adjusted anyway when it gets to hands on.

For the S27 3D decal, please also note that S27 has stated that clear coating over it is NOT RECOMMANDED. And in my own opinion, the color is also too dark or I would like TOO BLACK. Although the pattern change with light reflections, it still has room for improvement anyway.

Hi Roca, Daniel,

Thanks for the tips about the muffler. (In fact does the term Muffler and Exhaust be of any difference? I am not very good in English anyway...)

Muffler is the "silencer" on the exhaust system. It's the big, box-like thing at the end of the exhaust. The term "exhaust" refers to the entire length of the pipe, from the engine to the muffler.

For the S27 3D decal, please also note that S27 has stated that clear coating over it is NOT RECOMMANDED. And in my own opinion, the color is also too dark or I would like TOO BLACK. Although the pattern change with light reflections, it still has room for improvement anyway.

I understand that S27 said not to clear coat over it--the reason is that it's very glossy as it is. The older CF decals weren't glossy right after putting them on. Both the SMS Hi Def and the S27 are. Also, they are very dark. That's the way real CF is. That's why (in most cases) SMS and other retailers have said to "darken" the CF decals for more realism.

Keep going on the bike! It's in my pile to do. As I've said, I'm currently working on an RC211V with a Top Studio detail kit. I think I may need a bit of a break (an easier, less intense build) after this one. We shall see...

Daniel

Very good detail and clean work.
Chris

Muffler is the "silencer" on the exhaust system. It's the big, box-like thing at the end of the exhaust. The term "exhaust" refers to the entire length of the pipe, from the engine to the muffler.

I understand that S27 said not to clear coat over it--the reason is that it's very glossy as it is. The older CF decals weren't glossy right after putting them on. Both the SMS Hi Def and the S27 are. Also, they are very dark. That's the way real CF is. That's why (in most cases) SMS and other retailers have said to "darken" the CF decals for more realism.

Keep going on the bike! It's in my pile to do. As I've said, I'm currently working on an RC211V with a Top Studio detail kit. I think I may need a bit of a break (an easier, less intense build) after this one. We shall see...

Daniel

Ha~ I shall improve some of my vocab from now on~:icon16:

Let me try out the 3D CF later this weekend~ After our discussions, I am really eager to give it a try!

I had the exactly same idea as you too about the TS transkit!
I had a try on the 04 M1 last year. And after that, I really need a break from extentive detail building! That's why I have started this 05 M1! but half the way though, I got many more great stuffs and started to pull them together now~~:screwy:
Add to that is the PIT WALK COLLECIONS that make me crazy!
I saw you lookinu for reference about recent MOTOGP. And I do recommend this reference books and all you will see in this reference books will allows you to build most of the stuffs you can in 1:12~

Below are the urls for my 04M1:
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_sepang2004.htm
http://www.joeyko.com/gallery/rossi_m1_sepang2004.htm

Let me try out the 3D CF later this weekend

I'm also impatient to see the result... very interesting... :grinyes:


Below are the urls for my 04M1:
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_sepang2004.htm
http://www.joeyko.com/gallery/rossi_m1_sepang2004.htm

That build let me... :sly::eek2: what a great job you did in that bike...:bigthumb:

Roca.

Hey Joe--

On your '04 M1 test bike, did you just use the TS kit, or did you make things for it, or both? I really like that bike, especially the "remove before flight" tag. Great touch.

I was looking through your website and noticed that there was a pic of Rossi's Subaru STi from the '06 Australian Rally. Where did you get that kit/decals? Also, do you have pics of the build? I wouldn't mind doing that one...

Daniel

Hey Joe--

On your '04 M1 test bike, did you just use the TS kit, or did you make things for it, or both? I really like that bike, especially the "remove before flight" tag. Great touch.

I was looking through your website and noticed that there was a pic of Rossi's Subaru STi from the '06 Australian Rally. Where did you get that kit/decals? Also, do you have pics of the build? I wouldn't mind doing that one...

Daniel

Hi Daniel,

Thanks brother~

On that 04M1, I used almost all the stuffs I could from Top Studio. And I had also got a lot of idea and learning from Top Studio in person too~ Thanks from him again!
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_sepang2004/20080602_1.jpg
http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_sepang2004/20080705_4.jpg
In many different builds of M1 (or in other bikes like R211V), the major spot to recognize if TS kit is used would be the front cover attaching to the radiator. Tamiya didn't cater it at all. So if a bike has that cover, the only thank I can think of is that the TS kit is used.:naughty:

In fact, I had a progress thread here in AF too for the Impreza WRC.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=953586
And in my web site, you may check out in the Diary section and there will be almost all my recent builds including the Impreza WRC and the FW24 too~

I'm also impatient to see the result... very interesting... :grinyes:

That build let me... :sly::eek2: what a great job you did in that bike...:bigthumb:

Roca.

Hi Roca, please be patient for a few more hours~~:iceslolan:iceslolan:iceslolan

the exhaust looks stunning, great work!

So brothers,
here is my test on the new 3D decals...
http://www.joeyko.com/technique/tech004.htm

Looking good Joeko. What did you use for the rear axle and what where did you get the remove before flight sign?

Looking good Joeko. What did you use for the rear axle and what where did you get the remove before flight sign?

thanks brother~

In that 04 M1, I used a copper tube from Wave as both axles. But later in this 05 M1, a recently new tuner has released pairs of axles for some MotoGP bikes. That is what is looks like in some of my previous pictures about the swing arms. I guess that axles are availabe for at least RC211V and M1, not so sure for Kawasaki and Ducati though.

For the "Remoce before Flight" tag, I remember I saw a very quick shot in TV before one of the race last year. and I decided to add this as a detail in that M1. You know, I do a lot of stuffs from Airplanes and AFV.... so that kind of tags are from Airplane models PE. It's from Eduardo. It comes in different scales, from 1:72 to 1:48 to 1:32. I just pick up one fitting in and I think it is 1:72 in this M1.:iceslolan

A little update for the weekend. I was partly painting a few AFV figures so I just didn't go far this week. (no hurry anyway)
After the 3D carbon test on the rear. I get back to the front. There is a intake "tunnel" molded with the main chassis that I think should be in CF. I saw some of the finished works put CF on it and some don't.
I think it make a lot of sense for some modelers not putting CF on it. Becox the air box would hardly been seen when the cover is on and it is just a very short part at the chassis and the front cowl should have cover most of it. Add to that the shape is not easy to handle too. So why putting effort to it?

Yes. This is what I was thinking and conflicting myself... But after all, I have put CF on the Air box and as a part of the air flow system, I think it is the same part to be honest. So I gave up being lazy and sit down and get a glass of water and do the work anyway....

After that (so much easily than the 3D CF anyway), I was ready to give the ntire chassis a coating and everything is now ready to be assembled.

http://www.joeyko.com/diary/rossi_m1_mal_2005/20090628_4.jpg

I have just found this forum a few days ago and enjoying seeing the many builds, and of course I love seeing the step by step progress of bikes.

Coming nice!

But which is the color on the frame? It looks like grey instead of black I suppose is the lighting of the photo.

We want to see more pictures!! :D

Roca.

Nice work, looks like I will have to get some practice in with the carbon decals :uhoh:
Mark:wink:

baldwinc : Hi brother! Welcome to AF! Since 2004 that I have joined AF, this has been one of the few amazing Modeling forum I have ever visited! I have learnt so much amazing techniques and "know (I don't think I will be able to do it myself)" so many great tactics when dealing with different difficult scenerios. And there are so many masters here whom you would probably come across in modeling mags! So let's have fun here! Cheers~!

Roca46 : Yup. The frame is in matt black. But i added a little Gunze #211 into the paint to give a very little metalic tecture to it. I have a flat coat over and so the light may reflect a bit dull. Anyway, this is one of my purposes that I have a the flat coat to early in the progress.( I used to do it at the last step for my military kits) And as I will probably be touching doen the frame from time to time, the flat coating may well be "polished" by my fingers. And that is what I would like to achieve the semi-finish. Hope it works well in the end.

Fazer1006 : Hi Mark! CF is fun to get around! But I think I will have enough at this moment as I have gone though several kits that I NEED to apply CF decals in certain areas and I really have had enough! >_<

Reading some of the posts in this thread, I was interested in the discussion of the glossly CF parts on these bikes. Although I do not work with Carbon Fiber in my work, many people I worked with actually do and I have seen a lot of ways parts are manufactured. I am an aircraft technician by trade and modern aircraft use a lot of different CF.

The glossiness of finished part really depends on the mold that was used. A glass like finish can be made if the mold also is glossy. The clear resin is added to the fabric once it is in place. The part is then sealed and the air is drawn out mechanically which ensures no trapped air is inside the component. I have seen the same polished look to a part without actually being polished.

For any exterior parts on bikes and race cars, I am assuming extra measures are taken to provide and perfect finish.

Although I would not rule out parts being polished.

Very nice WIP

Salut

Reading some of the posts in this thread, I was interested in the discussion of the glossly CF parts on these bikes. Although I do not work with Carbon Fiber in my work, many people I worked with actually do and I have seen a lot of ways parts are manufactured. I am an aircraft technician by trade and modern aircraft use a lot of different CF.

The glossiness of finished part really depends on the mold that was used. A glass like finish can be made if the mold also is glossy. The clear resin is added to the fabric once it is in place. The part is then sealed and the air is drawn out mechanically which ensures no trapped air is inside the component. I have seen the same polished look to a part without actually being polished.

For any exterior parts on bikes and race cars, I am assuming extra measures are taken to provide and perfect finish.

Although I would not rule out parts being polished.

Very nice WIP

Salut

Wow... great explanation, thanks!! :thumbsup:

How is this progress going Joeyko?


Roca

PS: Now that you mentioned aircraft I like those big jet airliners, also I made some model kits in 1/144 scale :iceslolan