This is a question I muse over often. Would I prefer a standard F1 road spec- perhaps in the typical silver. Or would I prefer to have an F! GTR converted to road spec?

Its a choice I chop and change over daily, so I'm throwing this out to you chaps on automotive forums...which would you prefer and why?

I'd prefer to have a road car, and then a non-converted GTR for the GT90s series.

Street legal GTR in its racing livery (a la 016R before the repaint or the UK gulf car)

Street Car with HDF Kit!! All the way...I love the interior of the road car....and my hearing too much to get prefer the GTR....now that is not to say that i wouldn't take a GTR if it was offered to me :-)

Think you know my preference lol
Love the raw animal to tamed pussycat

I said street legal GTR but obviously my ultimate choice would be the LM (in orange of course)

I prefer F1 GTR's 1995-1996 and the LM. Probably the best ever made sports car on the road. I love these. But I haven't found the answer to my self about that road converted GTR's. Do they belong only to the race tracks or not..... Still the car is absolutely beatifull, even it has the registerarion plate.

And when I have watched the GTR/LM images, I feel that someting is missing that basic F1 roadcar. Maybe it is some brutality or something. But still it's very very clean and beatifull!

Difficult questions these......................:sly:

Road car for me, I can get more friends in it to share the experience.

Mind you, if I had the money for a road car, I hope I would have the money to buy both! :)

Road car for me, I can get more friends in it to share the experience.

Mind you, if I had the money for a road car, I hope I would have the money to buy both! :)

Indeed, I think that is what would sway me for a standard road car. It must be brilliant to have two friends sitting either side of you:)

Regular F1 with HDF and LM engine.

Road car for me, I can get more friends in it to share the experience.

Mind you, if I had the money for a road car, I hope I would have the money to buy both! :)

What you need to buy friends?? LOL:smile: Just kidding mate, i think i would like a standard car for use, but i prefer the looks of the High down force kit cars, so maybe just an LM then...hhmm:smokin:

You've never lived until you have experienced an ex Le-mans car on public roads, ok not exactly easy to live with or even plesant but it's an experience you won't forget.

Regular F1 with HDF and LM engine.

+1, in white please

+1, in white please

Yes, exactly what I was thinking. Like the one in my signature, but with the LM engine.
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9373/mal9321.jpg)

lol thats pretty much the one i was thinkiing about.

Any recent shots of that particular car?

Any recent shots of that particular car?

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138657964&postcount=255

I would prefer one of the 5 LM cars. :)

But if I HAD to choose between the two options, it would have to be the road car with the HDF kit, upgraded suspension, rims, ecu, and preferably an LM spec engine. I heard though that chassis #018 and #073 have only certain elements of the LM engines... and not exactly the same (though they are meant to be putting out even more power than 680bhp). Anyone know more to clarify?

These opinions would hold more credibility if people actually spent time in cars with straight-cut gears. I cannot believe anybody would want that for everyday use...unless they just trundled back and forth at 5mph.

Street car with HDF. It's the only (sane) choice. I don't know if you'd feel the difference an LM-spec engine would give. If you could feel it, yes, throw that in too.
:-)

And a yacht to take it places. And two cuties for the passenger seats. :D

Straight cut gears are ok if you're prepared to wear ear plugs or defenders, not so good if you don't like looking a prat or poser.

To be clear on the engines, the standard road car, LM, and 1995 & 1996 GTR all share the same basic engine, although the GTR spec is officially designated S70/3, whereas the standard car and LM are S70/2. Aside from the designation, the main difference between each lies in the mapping. Both the LM and GTR have different and less restrictive exhausts than the road car (the GTR is straight thru while the LM has small cats). The GTR map must accommodate 39.4-mm air restrictors, but despite the S70/3 is still able to produce 636 bhp (9 more than the standard road car). The LM's 680 bhp results from the shedding of the restrictors and remapped accordingly. To reiterate, there is no major mechanical difference between the engine types other than exhaust - in fact a standard road car can be re-mapped to LM spec and as mentioned elsewhere, apparently has been done on a few occasions.

The 1997 GTR engine is of a smaller displacement (reduced to 6.0-ltr from 6.1 to meet FIA rules). Again, thru revised mapping, the engine is able to make up most of the lost power thru smaller displacement. There are also several mechanical modifications (sump pump location is lowered, etc.).

As for on-road performance, it would seem the best performance would come from the lowest power to weight ratio. In that, an unrestricted GTR (of any year) with an remapped engine would be the best of the bunch, as they're all lighter than a LM. As a LM is effectively an unrestricted GTR engine, by reverse deduction an unrestricted GTR probably makes ~680 bhp, and is at least 50-kilos lighter than a LM. Most GTR's also have shorter gear clusters than a LM, so although it's probably an academic performance issue, an unrestricted GTR would provide the most performance (not to mention, unique and often significant race history - something no LM or road car can claim).


I would prefer one of the 5 LM cars. :)

But if I HAD to choose between the two options, it would have to be the road car with the HDF kit, upgraded suspension, rims, ecu, and preferably an LM spec engine. I heard though that chassis #018 and #073 have only certain elements of the LM engines... and not exactly the same (though they are meant to be putting out even more power than 680bhp). Anyone know more to clarify?

To be clear on the engines, the standard road car, LM, and 1995 & 1996 GTR all share the same basic engine, although the GTR spec is officially designated S70/3, whereas the standard car and LM are S70/2. Aside from the designation, the main difference between each lies in the mapping. Both the LM and GTR have different and less restrictive exhausts than the road car (the GTR is straight thru while the LM has small cats). The GTR map must accommodate 39.4-mm air restrictors, but despite the S70/3 is still able to produce 636 bhp (9 more than the standard road car). The LM's 680 bhp results from the shedding of the restrictors and remapped accordingly. To reiterate, there is no major mechanical difference between the engine types other than exhaust - in fact a standard road car can be re-mapped to LM spec and as mentioned elsewhere, apparently has been done on a few occasions.

The 1997 GTR engine is of a smaller displacement (reduced to 6.0-ltr from 6.1 to meet FIA rules). Again, thru revised mapping, the engine is able to make up most of the lost power thru smaller displacement. There are also several mechanical modifications (sump pump location is lowered, etc.).

As for on-road performance, it would seem the best performance would come from the lowest power to weight ratio. In that, an unrestricted GTR (of any year) with an remapped engine would be the best of the bunch, as they're all lighter than a LM. As a LM is effectively an unrestricted GTR engine, by reverse deduction an unrestricted GTR probably makes ~680 bhp, and is at least 50-kilos lighter than a LM. Most GTR's also have shorter gear clusters than a LM, so although it's probably an academic performance issue, an unrestricted GTR would provide the most performance (not to mention, unique and often significant race history - something no LM or road car can claim).

Thank.You.Very.Much. for these fact informations. Really interesting and really needed information! :runaround: Thanks!!!!!! :smile:

To be clear on the engines, the standard road car, LM, and 1995 & 1996 GTR all share the same basic engine, although the GTR spec is officially designated S70/3, whereas the standard car and LM are S70/2. Aside from the designation, the main difference between each lies in the mapping. Both the LM and GTR have different and less restrictive exhausts than the road car (the GTR is straight thru while the LM has small cats). The GTR map must accommodate 39.4-mm air restrictors, but despite the S70/3 is still able to produce 636 bhp (9 more than the standard road car). The LM's 680 bhp results from the shedding of the restrictors and remapped accordingly. To reiterate, there is no major mechanical difference between the engine types other than exhaust - in fact a standard road car can be re-mapped to LM spec and as mentioned elsewhere, apparently has been done on a few occasions.

The 1997 GTR engine is of a smaller displacement (reduced to 6.0-ltr from 6.1 to meet FIA rules). Again, thru revised mapping, the engine is able to make up most of the lost power thru smaller displacement. There are also several mechanical modifications (sump pump location is lowered, etc.).

As for on-road performance, it would seem the best performance would come from the lowest power to weight ratio. In that, an unrestricted GTR (of any year) with an remapped engine would be the best of the bunch, as they're all lighter than a LM. As a LM is effectively an unrestricted GTR engine, by reverse deduction an unrestricted GTR probably makes ~680 bhp, and is at least 50-kilos lighter than a LM. Most GTR's also have shorter gear clusters than a LM, so although it's probably an academic performance issue, an unrestricted GTR would provide the most performance (not to mention, unique and often significant race history - something no LM or road car can claim).

Nice post :thumbsup:.

I would go with either a GT in BRG, or a road car in the same blue as XP4 with a light tan cloth interior.

Sorry, I've been out for a while.

I would go with the LM, either a road car underlining the XP as said above.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/zx4000/051.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/zx4000/056.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/zx4000/054.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/zx4000/052.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/zx4000/044-1-1.jpg

Love the final pic of #018 :thumbsup:

Love the final pic of #018 :thumbsup:

:nono:

Look a bit closer my friend :p

Clue:- Try Japan.

#58GT and LM2. Never seen that shot before :cool:

Its a GT :)


Man, i want an LM sooo bad

Great shots! :eek: Thanks for sharing!

Its a GT :)
ZOMG :biggrin: That is awesome! Another GT shot :):):)
Any more where that came from zx4000? And how old are those shots?
Thanks ;)

ZOMG :biggrin: That is awesome! Another GT shot :):):)
Any more where that came from zx4000? And how old are those shots?
Thanks ;)

It has been taken almost two weeks ago.

http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/mclaren-f1.jpg love this shot

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/th_McLF1_Top125_041.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/McLF1_Top125_041.jpg) another good shot

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/th_McLF1_Top125_067.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/McLF1_Top125_067.jpg) another good shot. i do not know how old it is:headshake

mclarenman- I'd prefer if you didn't link directly to hires images in my Photobucket account.

Also, if you happen to see an image hosted from there, you can bet I have already posted it here. :)

>8^)
ER

A+ for enthusiasm though :thumbsup: