So far I've built half a dozen (mostly) out of the box builds but I also have a long-term 'on again, off again' project of a Fujimi Enthusiast Dino 246 GTS. My aim for this project is to build the most perfect Dino that my abilities will allow - all the time learning more automotive modelling skills along the way! I've done a few bits to the kit so far but I thought it might be fun to share what I've done with the seating.

The kit seats represent the standard Dino seats, and don't represent them especially well. I thought it would be nice for my model to have the optional 'Daytona' insert seats. I figured that the kits seats were 'OK' as a starting point but with all the effort to convert them to a) the correct shape and b) the correct pattern inserts, I may just as well scratchbuild new seats.

I suppose my approach my be unconventional but I'm simply happier working with epoxy putty than I am with styrene and other materials.

Resin casting has occured to me but looking at reference photos of the real car I see that very often the driver's and passenger's seat have slightly different appearances due, I suppose, to one seat always being sat upon and the other one only sometimes being sat upon! The seat inserts have 'squidged' and slipped to differing degrees on the real car and I wanted to show that difference on my kit too. Besides, I once tried resin casting and failed miserably and it's more of a challenge to make 2 seats, so make 2 seats is what I chose to do. The kit head restraints were incorrect too but I was able to easily convert them to the correct shape.
As you can see, there's still a long way to go on one of the seats, and the other one still has detail to be added. Due to the 'on again, off again' nature of this build I'll finish then as & when I am inspired to work on them. I hope the photos adequately explain what I've done.

Moderators: If you feel this thread is inappropriate please move, modify or delete as neccessary - after all, it's not a WIP of a car, just a pair of seats!

Jon.

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_1.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_3.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_2.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_4.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_5.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_6.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_8.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_9.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_11.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_10.jpg

Don't forget most of the Dino 246's with Daytona seat inserts came with the "chairs and flairs" option. Most were 246 GTS's, but a few GT's were made with the option according to several sources. Most also had the
special wider wheels with a different design. Those will be alot of work if you decide to do them. Good luck!! Your seats look great so far.


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo/Strictly 43rd revival 2010-Chicago

Yes, I'd love to do the flares too but building those Campagnolo wheels is WAY beyond my ability!
I've seen plenty of photos of non-flared Dinos with Daytona seats (maybe retro-fitted?) and I'll be content for my model to represent one of them.

You make it look way too easy. I can't wait to see a set of these inside a model.

Wow, those are really nice. If you do end up casting them I would seriously be interested in a set.

Oh watch out when you mold in the lower section of the nose to the body, it makes it a really tight fit later on.

Yes, I'd love to do the flares too but building those Campagnolo wheels is WAY beyond my ability!
I've seen plenty of photos of non-flared Dinos with Daytona seats (maybe retro-fitted?) and I'll be content for my model to represent one of them.

Great job on the seats, they look very realistic!
Do you have pictures of these Campagnolo wheels you are talking about. i'd like to take a look to them, maybe I can help you out.

Thanks for your comments chaps.

jla: When i mentioned resin casting I didn't mean casting in perhaps the way you think. I meant I considered scratchbuilding just one seat and then home casting the second one (or at least part of it) for use in my model.

jano: Here's an image of the Dino Campagnolo, taken from ferraris-online.com
How on earth would anyone even begin to build a 1/24 version of this??!!

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag.jpg

jano: Here's an image of the Dino Campagnolo, taken from ferraris-online.com
How on earth would anyone even begin to build a 1/24 version of this??!!

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag.jpg[/QUOTE]

with a lot of patience and insanity pills! :iceslolan :screwy:

Hi,

I'm working on project for a 1/24 model. I create 3D parts using a software and I'm going to have them 3D printed in a couple of weeks.

If you really want those wheels I can add them to my order and have them for you. I'll only need pictures of the wheel from the right angles and the dimensions (the dimensions of the tires you will use on the rims would be the best ones).

PS: The rims can also be made by hand but it would take more time and patience, however it isn't impossible if you build all the simple parts first and than put them all together.


jano: Here's an image of the Dino Campagnolo, taken from ferraris-online.com
How on earth would anyone even begin to build a 1/24 version of this??!!

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag.jpg

If you make them you can probably sell a few to the guys who bought
Studio 27 decals to make the Lemans 1972 NART Dino 246.

I know how hard it can be. I did the old Alfa T33 wheels for my GTAM and T33/2 models. The Gunze wheels are all wrong. Every tiny oval hole had a lip that had to be duplicated. It took alot of time!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010-Chicago

Well I'll give it a go, it will make our friend Cheesey happy for sure.
Can anyone post a few good picture of these rims together with the sizes of the tires that should fit on them (I suppose it's about the Fujimi kit tires?!).
Are they different size front and rear?

Jano, I'll pm you soon....I have plenty of images.

The rims are 14 inch x 7.5 inches, 1 inch wider than the stock Dino rims - same size, front & rear. I have no idea whatsoever if there are any tyres available that would fit, and would look 'period' enough.

Jon.

I took a look to my Fujimi kit and inner diameter of the tires is approx. 16 mm which is very close to what is needed for the 14'' rims.

So, here's a preview of the model:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/3537175676_67aee832d4_o.jpg

I'll need to know if you will use the same wheel hubs as in the Fujimi kit in order to make the wheel fit like the original Fujimi wheel.

Also I need to know if you want the cap that goes on the middle of the wheel and the bolts to be one piece with the wheel. Otherwise I do not add them and you can use aftermarket metal bolts if you wish.

Just let me know, what you think that needs to be changed.

Cheers,

Ioan

That is sensational! Would it be possible to add the two areas I've marked in red in the photograph below? Also, I notice you've modelled the small holes between each wheel nut hole - would it alos be possible to do the hole for the valve? Save me drilling it :)
As for the hub/fitting question, I think without the cap would be better - then I could use a metal or styrene rod to push through the central hole, and into the Fujimi hub. If the rod is shaped to have a domed top it would nicely represent the wheel's central cap. Does that make sense? Is it a good idea?
My model will be dispalyed with 2 wheels off of the car (to show the suspension etc) and will have the spare wheel displayed outside of the car too. So, I think holes instead of wheel nuts would be good - I would then only need to use aftermarket/scratch wheel nuts for the two wheels that will be displayed attached to the car. I'll send you phtographs of my work so far on the front suspension so you know what I mean.

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag2.jpg


This thread has taken an unexpected turn in an unexpected direction and it's left my seats in the shade somewhat! I hope to be able to post photos of one finished seat in the next couple of days but I suspect your wheels will make my seats look rather silly! :)
I'm so amazed by what's happening - I really wanted to make a 'chairs & flares' Dino but I never expected I'd be able to. I am truly happy and grateful for your input!

Jon.

Hi Jon,

Don't worry, the seats are great. In fact the quality of your work was what prompted me to help you out with the wheels.
From the pictures you sent me it's obvious that you are doing an exceptional job on this model.

Sure I will make the hole for the valve on the wheel, it's easy to do and will probably spare you time that you can use on other things.
I'll also add the two areas with the Campagnolo and Dino writing (I'll see if I can add the text too, I'm not sure it will be possible to print it clearly given the small scale).

I'll go see what are the sizes and the positions of the holes on the Fujimi hubs as I need to position the ones on the rims to the right place According to the hubs (I made the model based on the pictures of the real wheels).

I'm thinking to make the wheels look like the real ones.
In my opinion it is much more important to have the wheels look like the real deal than adapt them to the Fujimi Wheel hubs. Modifying the wheel hubs to fit the wheels is not very complicated and the work will be worth if the end result will be looking closer to the real wheels.

I would like to express my keen interest in these wheels! I have been contemplating this same conversion to a chairs and flares dino since many years ago and only stopped because of the wheels! Jano your design looks spot on!

Updated:

That's perfection isn't it?!!
I'm sitting at my workbench fiddling with the seats - and I have a new found excitement and enthusiasm for this project. Thank you jano11 !!!

I would also love a set!!!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010

I'm sitting at my workbench fiddling with the seats - and I have a new found excitement and enthusiasm for this project. Thank you jano11 !!!

I'm glad I can help you out.

I'll probably send the models to the printing service next week. I don't know how long it takes until I get the parts, but I'll keep you all updated.

I would also love a set!!!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010

As would I!!

WTG boys!! :thumbsup:

An ultra cool WIP already and not even a single engine photo yet - love it! :D

Just to show that jano11 isn't the only one doing productive work on this thread, here's some progress from me too :)
There are some very obvious rough spots to be fixed and some detail needs to be refined but this seat is almost there. I'm not claiming it's perfect but I'm a whole lot more satisfied with this than I would be with the stock kit seats.
Jon.
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_12.jpg

That seat looks great! :)

I'm very interested in this thread and if anyone wants to market the wheels, count me in.
You might find this site interesting:

http://www.dinorestoration.com/

Paul

The seats look great especially the piping, very well done! I too would like a set of the wheels if you guys put it in production.

Paul, that site is where I got just about all of my reference photos for my kit build. It's quite a restoration project isn't it??!! Still waiting for him to start restoring the second Dino though....

Cheesey: super!
Jano: hopefully you want to count me in in the Campagnolo's gang ;) no matter the price.
Several my Stratos are crying waiting your rims ;) :D

I'm very interested in this thread and if anyone wants to market the wheels, count me in.
You might find this site interesting:

http://www.dinorestoration.com/

Paul


That restoration site points out the real weak point of the Dino 246, a steel block. The 206GT had an all alloy engine and body. Early 246GT's also had some alloy body panels(mid 1969 production). The power to weight ratio was better for the 206GT too. The 206GT looks better due to the shorter wheelbase(my opinion). The 206GT is also alot rarer( around 150 made). Only one 206GT raced, at Sebring in 1969 by NART.

You can see by the production figures why they made so few Ferrari 206's and so many 246's. The FIAT Dino 2000 took most of the Ferrari production up to mid 1969 when the 246GT Dino started its production. The steel block FIAT Dino is very rare as most of the engine units went into the "Ferrari" Dino's after mid 1969.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010

I haven't had a lot of free time this past week but I've managed to get the first seat finished. Phew!
Are there any comments/criticisms/suggestions for me before I send myself mad working on finishing the second seat?
Jon.

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_13.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_14.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_15.jpg

Seat looks great! :thumbsup:

PS: The headrest supports look to be unequal but I'm sure it's only temporary. :)

PS: The headrest supports look to be unequal but I'm sure it's only temporary. :)

Yep, just balanced there for effect at the moment.

Wow ! fantastic job both of you seat and wheels !

You can add one set of each for me when casting.

Are you going to cast the Daytona seat version also ?

thanks

Excellent work! It looks like a kit seat.

Excellent work! It looks like a kit seat.

I respectfully disagree. It looks much better!

Wheel are not yet 100% ready, but getting closer every day.
Lack of proper tools is a hindrance, but I didn't manage to find a file that is only 0.2-0.3 millimeters thick and the thinning and cleaning up work is going slowly.

For now I'm at this stage:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3602442413_659dccd8eb.jpg

Once I'll have finished to thin the spokes down to a realistic size and clean it up properly I'll start casting it in resin.

PS: Sorry for the rather bad picture but this material is a pain in the behind to take pictures of.

Very nice work!!! Will look great on the Fujimi kit after the body is flared.

Tom

I'm really excited to see these features added for one of my favorite cars. If one or both of you are going to make copies of the seats or wheels, count me in as a customer!

Paul

hey john. i was wandering when you were going to start the dino again ( i was following it on spc)

great work on the seat by the way


allan

Hi Allan,
The Dino is my long-term project - I work on it for a few days, then put it away for a few weeks, work a few days, rest a few weeks. I'm finding it quite an intense project! During the 'rest periods' I try to develop my car modelling skills by (very slowly!) doing mostly out of the box builds, but trying new things on each one so I can apply them to the Dino. For instance, I'm currently working on Fujimi's Ferrari 512BB and I'm planning to make it my first model that will be displayed with the engine visible...so I'll be trying to add detail to the engine and learn lessons for when I do the Dino's engine.
The thread on SPC seemed to die a death (not enough interest maybe??) but perhaps I should resurect it one day. In the meantime, here are a couple of photos showing what I've done to the inside of the front bonnet - it will be displayed open so I thought I'd better improve the kit piece. Thinning the plastic was nerve-wracking but I feel the result is worth all the anxiety I suffered! :)

http://cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dino_74.jpg
http://cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dino_76.jpg

As for the seats, I'd like to get castings of them if only for my own use on another project, another day. If I'm successful in getting them cast in resin (either by myself or by someone else) I'll let you all know.

Jon.

hi. looking good. i think you should reserect it. ive got a few fujimi em kits now (356 daytona convertible, bmw 6 series, and waiting on a 911 flat nose and a lambo countach to be delivered), so maybe i could join your thread


allan

The good ol' Enthusiast kit cook-off, was it? I had plans on joining, but the last thing I need is another uber-detailed half-finished project.:loser:

Little update concerning the wheels.
First resin copy has been made. I feel it is an OK result and I doubt I can make it much better.

Let me know what you think.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3580/3649454469_3a4a47684b_o.jpg

PS: The tire is from the Fujimi Dino kit.

I think it looks excellent and I want some :D

They look very nice. Good job!!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010-Chicago

That looks great - especially considering the true size of the wheel compared to that highly magnified image. You should be very pleased with what you've achieved!

That looks great - especially considering the true size of the wheel compared to that highly magnified image. You should be very pleased with what you've achieved!

Glad to know you like it! :)

I'll to try to have 10 of them ready for you by Friday or next Monday.

BTW I made them 2 mm larger than the Fujimi wheels in case you decide to go with larger tires at the rear, but the resin is very easy to sand to the right size.

Any news on the wheels? I cant wait to get a set!

Any news on the wheels? I cant wait to get a set!

Hi,

I'm in the process of learning how to cast them properly. Some of them come up good some less, so it's taking a bit of time. For now I manage a set par day of well cast wheels (5x), as I only use a one wheel mold.

One of our fellow forum members agreed to make a good quality mold and than I will be able to produce them faster.

I'll keep everyone updated once I can produce them in a bigger quantity.

Thanks for your understanding. :)

What material did you use for your dino seats?

I would love a set of these wheels when you get them done. I have Dino kit that definitely needs them.
Nic

I absolutely want both the seats and couple sets of these wheels. Please (please, please!) make me some.

What material did you use for your dino seats?

Magic-Sculp.

I absolutely want both the seats and couple sets of these wheels. Please (please, please!) make me some.

Progress on the 2nd seat has stalled due to overriding domestic chores but it should be finished soon enough. Then, due to the generosity of another forum member, they can be cast in resin. Details to follow....

Progress on the 2nd seat has stalled due to overriding domestic chores but it should be finished soon enough. Then, due to the generosity of another forum member, they can be cast in resin. Details to follow....

That would be awesome. I'd buy several sets for sure.
I have few Dino projects in mind.

Fantastic work! I also would like some seats and wheels when they are available.

Note: I don't know how accurate you want to be but the 'Daytona' seats in the Dino was part of an option package commonly referred to as 'Chairs and Flares'. Those Dino's as part of the package had fender flares...see pics.

http://ctlauto.com/1974Dino.html

http://www.timwalkerrestorations.co.uk/images/Dino%20246GTS%20comp.JPG

I'll take some seats too!

Time for an update:

Personal circumstances have kept me away from my modelling bench for several weeks, so I have not been able to complete the seats yet. However, I'm now back on the job....

Earlier today the postman delivered a small cardboard package to my home. Inside were a number of resin castings of the Campagnolo wheels!
jano11 has done a brilliant job on these little beauties! The level of detail is superb, the castings are devoid of any pin holes/air bubbles and there is only minimal flash to be removed from around the wheels' piercings - a very simple and quick job. The wheels are cast to the correct width of the Campagnolos, leaving the modeller the option of either adding a tyre wider than the Fujimi kit tyre, or reducing the Campagnolos' width to fit the kit tyre.
Quite simply, these little gems look like Dino Campagnolos - and you can't complain about that, eh?

I will clean one of them and put some paint on as soon as time allows, and then post a photo here.

Thanks again jano11, you've made me very happy!

Jon.

Hi Jon,

I'm glad you like the wheels! It was a pleasure to make them and I'm glad it helps you. :)

Well, here's one of jano11's castings painted! Grey primer and Alclad Aluminium. It's not a brilliant photo but I was keen to get an image posted here as soon as possible. I think the wheel will look even better with a slight wash of oil paint to accentuate the detail and i'll try to get a better photo when conditions allow. Enlarged photographioc images can be rather brutal but please let me assure you that this wheel looks absolutely superb to the naked eye, and is everything I dared hope it would be. The 'chairs & flares' Dino is now a realistic option in 1/24.
If any of you don't like the fact that the wheel is lacking the central hub cap and has the wheel nut and other holes (including valve hole) cast open, please blame me - jano11 designed the wheel exactly as I asked, to suit my specific requirement. I figure it will be an easy task to add any neccessary detail with styrene or whatever.

All people who have ever wanted Dino Campagnolos owe a huge debt of gratitude to jano11!

Jon.

http://cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag_1.jpg

Wow! That is exceptionally well done! Pat yourselves on the backs guys, for making this a reality.

They are perfect!!! You could use the MFH Dino logos for the center cap.

The 246 1972 Lemans car is the one I am doing. It did not have Daytona seats. The body has more modifications than you might think at first glance.

best,

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010

Now.... how can we buy a set of each?

Now.... how can we buy a set of each?


The quality of the work on the seats and wheels would make them worth
atleast $25.00+ for a set. Quality and limited production resin costs money.

TT

Can't wait to get my sets, the wheel on the picture looks really good.
Are you guys going to cast the seats too? I'm definitely interested in a couple of sets as well.

Tom, the 72 LM Dino is the one I have in mind too. I have S27 decals and photoetched goodies from MFH for it. Now the wheels too!
Btw, do you have any reference for the 72 LM car?

They are perfect!!! You could use the MFH Dino logos for the center cap.

Yep, I too think he's done a perfect job!
The campagnolos on Dinos didn't have the Dino logo on the cetnre cap, they had a very subtle 'Campagnolo' script - so subtle, in fact, that it probably wouldn't show in 1/24. On my kit I plan to represent them with a slice of styrene, domed and then painted a slightly diiferent shade of silver than the wheels themselves.

Now.... how can we buy a set of each?
I'm questioning the worth of making two separate and slightly different seats. In truth, I'm getting a bit hacked off making the second seat!
Do people here think a pair of castings of the seat I've completed (and shown a few postings ago) would be OK? Or is there any real benefit in having a pair of seats where the driver's & passenger's are subtly different?
If an identical pair is good enough for everyone, I'm ready to get them cast now. I guess they would then be available ot anyone who wanted them.
Feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jon.

Can't wait to get my sets, the wheel on the picture looks really good.
Are you guys going to cast the seats too? I'm definitely interested in a couple of sets as well.

Tom, the 72 LM Dino is the one I have in mind too. I have S27 decals and photoetched goodies from MFH for it. Now the wheels too!
Btw, do you have any reference for the 72 LM car?

I have that set from MFH also. I used my own decals(wich are Cartograf).
I thought you didnt like photoetch window frames?(this was the model I was going to show you at F.E.!!)

Good luck with yours, should be a fun project. I will have mine at the Ferrari Expo 2010 next year in Chicago.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010

[quote=Cheesey153;6019690]Yep, I too think he's done a perfect job!
The campagnolos on Dinos didn't have the Dino logo on the cetnre cap, they had a very subtle 'Campagnolo' script - so subtle, in fact, that it probably wouldn't show in 1/24. On my kit I plan to represent them with a slice of styrene, domed and then painted a slightly diiferent shade of silver than the wheels themselves.

That is true, but the Dino logos would still look nice on the models wheels.

Why dont you cast the seat and modify it, then recast.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010

I will be happy with whatever you decide Jon concerning the seats! I do think that Tom has the right idea though.
I certainly am looking forward to doing my own Dino with the "chairs and flares" option by you putting this "into production" for us.:)

Paul Erlendson

Hi Jon,

That was a very fast job! Thanks for showing us what these babies look when painted. :)

yeah, I'm happy with the identical seats. count me in for a few sets!

Great work from both of you. Please don't forget me when you are casting the wheels and seats.

For those of you who are building the '72 LM Dino, i might have some helpful photos. Nothing from the interior, but exterior is quite well covered.

-Niko

I'm questioning the worth of making two separate and slightly different seats. In truth, I'm getting a bit hacked off making the second seat!
Do people here think a pair of castings of the seat I've completed (and shown a few postings ago) would be OK? Or is there any real benefit in having a pair of seats where the driver's & passenger's are subtly different?

I can't say I would have a use for them at the moment, but I don't think it'd be too much of a crisis. Sorry if you've already stated it, but what is the difference?

Sorry if you've already stated it, but what is the difference?

These Ferrari seats had a common frame with a replaceable insert - standard or 'Daytona'. The inserts are kind of loose, and photos show that they get squashed and squished, and that they move around slightly within the seat frame - the driver's side usually more so than the passenger side, presumably because of the increased usage on that side.
I very much like detail, realism and subtlty but I wonder if I'm going unneccessarily far with this. I doubt the subtle difference between the seats would be noticeable. Of course, if a model is built to depict a new car, the seats should not be at all squashed & squished!

Jon.

These Ferrari seats had a common frame with a replaceable insert - standard or 'Daytona'. The inserts are kind of loose, and photos show that they get squashed and squished, and that they move around slightly within the seat frame - the driver's side usually more so than the passenger side, presumably because of the increased usage on that side.
I very much like detail, realism and subtlty but I wonder if I'm going unneccessarily far with this. I doubt the subtle difference between the seats would be noticeable. Of course, if a model is built to depict a new car, the seats should not be at all squashed & squished!

Jon.
Maybe have two sets of seats available, one 'new' and one 'used'. :grinyes:

I think that identical seats are more than acceptable and in fact, you shouldn't even worry about the other one and just cast two identical seats.

I have that set from MFH also. I used my own decals(wich are Cartograf).
I thought you didnt like photoetch window frames?(this was the model I was going to show you at F.E.!!)

Good luck with yours, should be a fun project. I will have mine at the Ferrari Expo 2010 next year in Chicago.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010


Tom, I'm not a big fan on PE frames. I just have the set, not even sure if I'm going to use all of the goodies in there to build the model. I'm not even sure WHEN I'm going to attempt to build it. I'm slowly turning into a kit collector!

Tom, I'm not a big fan on PE frames. I just have the set, not even sure if I'm going to use all of the goodies in there to build the model. I'm not even sure WHEN I'm going to attempt to build it. I'm slowly turning into a kit collector!

I know the feeling!! The outside window frame trim on the 246 will be hard to duplicate without photoetch. By the way, Hobby Design has just done a photoetch set for the Dino 246. Don't buy the Hiro/Ejay T-kit. Buy the H.D. set. Its even better. Who needs metal parts anyway?? They are just the kit parts recast. Not worth the money. The H.D. set has exhaust tips machined also.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010

By the way, Hobby Design has just done a photoetch set for the Dino 246. Don't buy the Hiro/Ejay T-kit. Buy the H.D. set. Its even better.


Hey Tom,
Great news! Do you have a link or some pics?

I bought it off ebay from a Chinese dealer. Stradasports does not even have the sets yet.

TT

Hi guys,
I know this has taken forever & ever to complete but, finally, there is a real result to show here!
I am hopeless at resin casting but a very kind fellow AF member offered to cast the seats for me. I eventually got the master posted to him and today I received a packet containing enough resin catings for my own personal use. They look great, I think he's done a very good job for me. The little perforations in the seat insert need a quick poke with a small drill bit, but that is a very quick & simple job. Other than that the seats look 100% to me!

I won't say who this person is but if he wants to post in this thread he can identify himself. I have told him that if he wants to sell castings to other AF members he can do so.
I'll leave it to him to come here and say if he will sell castings, how much they would cost etc....

Jon.

http://cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/resinseats.jpg

That would be great! I'll buy a pair if available from the caster. Thanks!

Hello,
I'm the caster...and interested people will be contacted soon by 'private message'
thanks for understanding.

Did the wheels ever materialize? I really want a set of those.
Nic

Did the wheels ever materialize? I really want a set of those.
Nic

Earlier in this thread I posted an update on the wheels. jano11 sent me some castings but I don't know what his future plans for them are.

Hello,
I'm the caster...and interested people will be contacted soon by 'private message'
thanks for understanding.

Phil,
PM'ed you a couple days ago - did you get it?

Ooooh...Very nice!

As an extra to this thread, may I ask a question to you all?

I am nowhere near as experienced, dedicated or knowledgeable about this hobby as most people on this forum and I'm pretty much in the dark about the aftermarket parts industry.
I made the seat simply because I wanted one for my Dino build and it was only after I posted here that I realised some other modellers also wanted the same thing.
So, my question is this: what sort of demand is there for extras such as seats, or other odd things? I enjoy making things from scratch and I'm wondering if there are there are other things I could contribute....

Jon.

There's always a demand, it just depends on the part, and what people are into building at the current time. I know from personal experience that some parts can sell only a few pieces, while others will sell like crazy, and furthermore some can become very popular and very unpopular in waves. It also boils down to the quality of the finished product, and how user-friendly they are.

Well yes, I know all that from my involvement in other hobbies.

Jon,

If you build it, they will come.

Everyone is always wanting to add to their models, be it kitbashing, scratchbuilding or getting things like these seats. So many modelers want to be able to add the exact part to make their model just what they want it to be, that I would say any component that you come up with if done as well as these seats is going to sell. The only hard part is getting connected with the people who would want such stuff, and Automotive Forums is a good first step.

Good Luck!

Carl

I would also say that it helps to identify a car kit that is egregiously lacking a particular, important detail that most modelers wished was there. For example, the Fujimi 355 that doesn't have proper door panels (nniemi made some excellent ones and sold them for a short time) or an airbag-style steering wheel (notably, early euro berlinettas had the non-airbag wheel, but most spiders, including the euro cars, had the airbag wheel). Another example might be the Tamiya BMW Z3, which has awful kit wheels, and lacks the traditional five spoke wheels.

As an extra to this thread, may I ask a question to you all?

I am nowhere near as experienced, dedicated or knowledgeable about this hobby as most people on this forum and I'm pretty much in the dark about the aftermarket parts industry.
I made the seat simply because I wanted one for my Dino build and it was only after I posted here that I realised some other modellers also wanted the same thing.
So, my question is this: what sort of demand is there for extras such as seats, or other odd things? I enjoy making things from scratch and I'm wondering if there are there are other things I could contribute....

Jon.

There are tons of little bits and pieces that a lot of people would LOVE to get. I can't speak for all, but I can make a comprehensive list of Ferrari things if you want.

Thanks gents, that's a help. I'm enjoying auto modelling very much but I've only been involved in if for 18 months and other than this and one other forum I'm working in a total vacuum. Input and advice like that you've given is invaluable. Thanks again.
360spider: If you (or anyone else) can make suggestions, please do! I must say though, my skills (such as they are) are more aligned towards sculpting, rather than machining. Unfortunately, I think wheels would be beyond me.

Cheers,
Jon.

Did the wheels ever materialize? I really want a set of those.
Nic

Wheels will be available next Monday.
It took me time to make the mold as I'm very busy right now but I'll start casting them this coming Sunday.

There will be 5 pieces in each set.
Please send me a PM with the number of sets you would like to have.

I will also contact philmodelcar to see if we can make a wheels+seats package.

I take advatange of this opportunity to announce you that the 20" BBS Challenge rims for Ferrari 599 and 612 are also available and Pirelli PZero tires will be available in a week or so. :)

I take advatange of this opportunity to announce you that the 20" BBS Challenge rims for Ferrari 599 and 612 are also available and Pirelli PZero tires will be available in a week or so. :)

Let me add that these wheels and tires will be accurately sized. Over the past few months, Ioan has fastidiously researched, designed and manufactured the wheels. I can't wait to get mine!

"I take advatange of this opportunity to announce you that the 20" BBS Challenge rims for Ferrari 599 and 612 are also available and Pirelli PZero tires will be available in a week or so. :smile: "

I just love how this thread has evoloved into this!! Do you have photos of the new wheels & tyres?

There are tons of little bits and pieces that a lot of people would LOVE to get. I can't speak for all, but I can make a comprehensive list of Ferrari things if you want.

Alex, feel free to let me know what you need. I might be able to help you out.

"I take advatange of this opportunity to announce you that the 20" BBS Challenge rims for Ferrari 599 and 612 are also available and Pirelli PZero tires will be available in a week or so. :smile: "

I just love how this thread has evoloved into this!! Do you have photos of the new wheels & tyres?

Sorry for hijacking the thread. :(

No!! It's not a hijack!! Seriously, my part of the thread is finished and your contribution is fantastic. This forum is a modelling COMMUNITY.
And I'd still like you to show photos of the new wheels here :)

No!! It's not a hijack!! Seriously, my part of the thread is finished and your contribution is fantastic. This forum is a modelling COMMUNITY.
And I'd still like you to show photos of the new wheels here :)

I'll take pictures of the finished wheels when I get home Sunday (I'm 1500 kms from home, so no can do).

Meanwhile I'll re-post the picture I already posted a month or so ago when I was starting to clean up the wheel and thin the spokes:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/3881620127_a5428d930e.jpg

It definitely looks better now, just be patient until Sunday morning. ;)

And while we are at it, and given that you aren't upset with me hijacking this thread, the Hamann style wheels are also available in 20" and 21" versions plus the M3 E46 wheels. :D

Sorry my friend, I assumed you had photos of the wheels completed. Oh well, I guess I can wait until Sunday... :)

Sorry my friend, I assumed you had photos of the wheels completed. Oh well, I guess I can wait until Sunday... :)

I was away since the 2nd day after making the first copy of the rim, I promised bvc500 the pictures more than a week ago and I didn't yet manage to keep my promise. :(

No worries, Ioan!

This thread is now "Most wanted parts thread!"

Both of your work is great! I ordered the seats from Phil. I plan on using them for my Daytona spider. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they were option on the Daytona too? I see similar seats on the Daytonas.

Here's an idea: since the wheels will be available, what about side skirts and other body parts for the Hamann 599?

Here's an idea: since the wheels will be available, what about side skirts and other body parts for the Hamann 599?

This might happen too but it will take a bit of time, hopefully not as long as the wheels! :)

I'll be traveling in a few hours and will have internet connection again only Sunday, I'll contact you then.
Have a nice weekend!

...or actually the Novitec 599, which I like better (a little more subtle).

I ordered the seats from Phil. I plan on using them for my Daytona spider. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they were option on the Daytona too? I see similar seats on the Daytonas.

Hmmm, not exactly, no. The seat insert pattern is the same but the seat frame is a different shape & size.
Funnily enough, I have a Fujimi Daytona kit and I was considering improving those seats.

Cool, thanks for pointing that out. Well, I've been meaning to build a Dino (in Dino blue no less), and I'll wait for Daytona seats, should you improve them!

Well, I ran into a real chairs and flares Dino 246 GTS today at the Lake Forest Sportscars open house near Chicago. They also have another almost identical car for sale at the dealer, if anyone is looking for a real one.

This is a full option car with air conditioning, wheels and Daytona seats.


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010 model/photo contest-Chicago April 2010


http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd85/F1tommy/?action=view&current=lfsc001.jpg

http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd85/F1tommy/?action=view&current=lfsc004.jpg

http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd85/F1tommy/?action=view&current=lfsc003.jpg

http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd85/F1tommy/?action=view&current=lfsc005.jpg

Sorry my friend, I assumed you had photos of the wheels completed. Oh well, I guess I can wait until Sunday... :)

Sorry for being late again! :(

Here are the pictures I promised:

BBS Challenge 20inch:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/3983823373_fac7b84fd5_o.jpg

Hamann wheels for Ferrari, 20 and 21 inch:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3983823565_b78fb6f493.jpg

M3 E46 wheel (sorry I didn't have time to lay a clean layer of primer on it:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3454/3983823845_da566c36f8.jpg

Group photo ;)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2548/3983824169_29a189c2c4.jpg

Awesome, I want to get all of them! Keep us posted on the availability please!

Ioan, those 20 inch Challenge wheels look great! Very clean and crisp!

Thanks for your compliments.
I'll be away until Sunday evening.
However all the rims presented above will be available next Monday and the tires for the BBS Challenge should be good to go next Tuesday or Wednesday.
I'll keep you all updated.

Just wanted to share some rather unpleasant experience with member Philmodelcar (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=237463).
As soon as he posted a message that the seats are available, I sent him a PM asking whether he had two sets in stock, and how much it will be. After 3 days of silence, I got the following message:

Hello,
I have indeed casted the Dino seats made by Cheesey153.
If you want to order the seats, please send your message directly to my e-mail address : *** stating your complete postal address.
The price for one set is 16 USD shipping included and 25 USD for 2 sets.
Once payment with Paypal is received the seats will be sent.
Payapl address : **** (ph.maelcamp@belgacom.net)
Thanks to let me know.
Phil (philmodelcar)

To which I responded with a PM:

Excellent! I'll forward the funds via Paypal for 2 sets shortly.
Thanks Phil.
Alex

Once the payment was sent, I PM him again:

payment has been sent.
Alex

Then I got a very rude response that follows?

Why can't people just follow instructions...
please send me your address ONLY BY E-MAIL if you want me to ship it !
thanks

I felt not only insulted by this manner, but a bit puzzled as to what caused him to write such an irritated response. So I PMed him again:

What's up Phil? Just having a bad day or had too much coffee? If you want people to buy stuff from you, how about you be more professional with your customers? What you wrote was absolutely uncalled for. I for one don't have time to write useless emails with my address when it is included with Paypal payment. This is what its for - look it up.
Alex

Only to get another insult today via email:

keep your money, please.
it's easier for me. I'm not a business partner, I have done this not to earn any money but to satisfy a few fellows and if you have no time to waset writting e-mails, I have no time to waste with you.
Now, you should know that on the e-mail received from Paypal, there is NONE delivery address.
Secondly the message I had sent to the e-mail address written in the Paypal message failed to deliver because of exceeded mailbox....
Adios.

My payment has been refunded.

While I agree that did not send an email with my address, it was included with the payment. My schedule is such that I simply forget things like that. Seller attitude was absolutely rude, and uncalled for. Make your own conclusions.

Wow that really sucks... I guess we'll just have to wait and see how he responds to the post, but I'm guessing I won't be getting these seats anytime soon...

Wauw that is surprising since I too use Paypal allot and as I recall the shipping address is always included :frown:

Oh whell.

Could I get a quote on the 20 inch Hamann's (2 set's of 4 rims), The seats are $ 16 if I am correct.
Keep me updated for the Hamann body parts please.

I may have over seen something about the Dino rims but if someone made them I would like a quote on those too.

There so many good things on this forum that it just amazes me.

Many thanks,
Arno.

Hello,
I will not add any comments to 360spider 's reply. It's not worth it.
I will just say that I have had excellent communication with all the other people who ordered the parts from me but unfortunately there is always in the lot an exception.
All satisfied members will probably agree and others don't...
that's life
:-)

Everything was all honey and milk 4 days ago when I left for a short holiday and now I find war around here. :(
Come on guys, let's not upset each other. :)

I just received my wheels and seats today. I'm very happy with both and would like to thank everyone envolved in producing them. I've wanted to do a "Chairs and Flares" Dino spyder for years. Because of you all, it's now much higher on my build pile.:cool:

Thanks again!

Paul Erlendson

I just received my wheels and seats today. I'm very happy with both and would like to thank everyone envolved in producing them. I've wanted to do a "Chairs and Flares" Dino spyder for years. Because of you all, it's now much higher on my build pile.:cool:

Thanks again!

Paul Erlendson

Glad you like the wheels Paul!
I'm looking forward to see your "Chairs and Flares" Dino build. :)

I got my seats today. They look great..

Thanks,
Trevor

I really need a set of those wheels so Jano if you are reading this, please let me know how to get them. I tried to email you, but got nothing back.
Nic

Well I got my rims order in house now and they look absolutely great.
Just wondering if you can make 18'' and 19'' versions of those Hamann's ;)

And the seats are in too.
They also are fabulous so my thanks for that !

Let me know.
Arno.