Need help getting a Catalytic Converter for a 98 Escort


Forder98
03-17-2009, 03:34 PM
I'm trying to replace the thing at as little of a cost to myself and am having difficulty finding the appropriate converter as well as a decent manufacturer/retailer online. So here is all I know so far.The engine has "Split Port Induction 2000" embossed on it so I'm taking that to be a 2.0 L SOHC split port induction since it's a sedan and that's what I took from reading the following page; it's a page from a different online forum:
http://forums.motivemag.com/zerothread?id=4178821
Now, I know I don't want to do any welding so it's a Direct Fit version I want. Correct? The only other big thing that stands in my way is that apparently the vehicle conforms to US and California standards even though it's a 98 and in Massachusetts... do I have to stay conformed and stick with a California acceptable Converter? Where do I go for one if that's the case and could anyone recommend a specific type? I saw types that included MagnaFlow and Eastern, etc. but am still at a bit of a loss. Well, thanks for reading this if anything else.



Oh yeah, and one other thing. I saw that at least some models seem to have an O2 sensor that comes with the converter; is that typical?



I'm grateful to any help that comes my way :confused::licka::confused:

chrisanthony
03-17-2009, 05:40 PM
you can try going to a junk yard and getting one from the old scorts there. I did mine at a mechanic last year it cost me $250, very expensive.

Forder98
03-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Yeah, I've considered the junk yard option before and found that there's apparently a federal law or statute or something (if I'm correct in this) stating that previously used catalytic converters can't be used as replacement pieces. I think it had something to do with the lack of assurances that the replacement converter won't start leaking Carbon Monoxide (or something else) into the cabin because of an unseen crack. I don't know if there are loopholes to that, like perhaps they're allowed if they've been checked and cleared by professional... I dunno. Anyone able to add to this?

Davescort97
03-17-2009, 07:52 PM
Not sure about boneyard converters, but what you say sounds typical as I used to work in a muffler shop and we were told that there is a 10k fine for removing a converter and installing a pipe in it's place. Scare tactics.

There isn't any difference between a standard catalytic converter (Federal) and a California model as far as fit. . Physically they are the same. Should bolt right up. The law states that a parts outlet cannot ship a converter to California if the car is a California model with an OBD 11 computer emissions on it. If the car is titled in Massachusetts I don't think it would have to have a special converter on it.

Rock Auto.com has a Walker #52218 converter for Federal and California Emissions for $119. This is a closeout and they had 2 left. An Eastern #30318 for Federal and California Emissions for $169. A universal for $65 but isn't a bolt on. Judging from the prices it doesn't include 02 sensors.

By the time most cars hit the boneyard their catalytic converters are toast. Get a new one and install your O2 sensors in it. If you decide to bolt one on yourself, spray the bolts and fittings with penetrating oil 24 hours before you start. That will eliminate a lot of cussing. lol

denisond3
03-18-2009, 08:55 PM
I dont know what the law is in Mass, but I know several folks that have put on junkyard cat. converters (or welded in universal converters) in VA and in TX. In the parts of VA & TX that dont have emissions testing, the inspectors are -probably- supposed to insure that you car still has a cat. converter in it. I Know that in VA some inspectors do look, some dont. In Texas my inspector doesnt look - but then we dont have emissions testing in my county.
Yes, its against the Federal Clean Air act to replace a cat. converter with a straight pipe, and most states have legislation that 'adopts' & 'implements' the Clean Air Act. But the states dont all implement it the same, and the implementing legislation changes from year to year. In all states I believe its illegal for a business to not put a proper cat. converter back on, but there may still be states where its not illegal for the -owner- of the car to do it, as long as he does not have a business license in that state. In some states only a new converter of the OEM type can be a replacement, (such as I think is the case in Mass.) but in some other states any universal converter can be used, as long as it passes the emissions test.
In VA, the emissions test for most cars with OBD-II, is for the emissions computer to be connected to your cars 'diagnostic' plug, so their computer can ask your car's computer if everything is o.k.

Arnoldtheskier
03-19-2009, 09:18 PM
I dont know what the law is in Mass, but I know several folks that have put on junkyard cat. converters (or welded in universal converters) in VA and in TX. In the parts of VA & TX that dont have emissions testing, the inspectors are -probably- supposed to insure that you car still has a cat. converter in it. I Know that in VA some inspectors do look, some dont. In Texas my inspector doesnt look - but then we dont have emissions testing in my county.
Yes, its against the Federal Clean Air act to replace a cat. converter with a straight pipe, and most states have legislation that 'adopts' & 'implements' the Clean Air Act. But the states dont all implement it the same, and the implementing legislation changes from year to year. In all states I believe its illegal for a business to not put a proper cat. converter back on, but there may still be states where its not illegal for the -owner- of the car to do it, as long as he does not have a business license in that state. In some states only a new converter of the OEM type can be a replacement, (such as I think is the case in Mass.) but in some other states any universal converter can be used, as long as it passes the emissions test.
In VA, the emissions test for most cars with OBD-II, is for the emissions computer to be connected to your cars 'diagnostic' plug, so their computer can ask your car's computer if everything is o.k.

In Toronto..you can get the Escort cat direct fit for about $125 new Now..the cheaper one is $100..but..lol..the adaptor kit is $25

Speaking of cats..years ago..our highway patrol Chev police cars came from the factory with no cat and a dump tube in place. They got around this by being licened to I think..his Majesty The King..(We have a lot of "King's Highways" here.) This allowed them to be licensed as "off road" vehicles with next to no emmisions on them.

They sold them to the public at auctions.Almost all went into the taxi business. Almost all went on propane. Propane use allowed the removal of cat's.

Keeping one on gasoline??? HAHA..Good luck! getting one by emissions plus you still had to put a cat on it.

More fun? There was no front "Y" pipe available for these..had to have one made if you ever needed one.

Scrapper
03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
one thing you could try is have you make you one at a shop that has the set up for bending and have it ready to pick up and put it right on there but know matter what you'll have to do some welding or pick up a cheap unavers. cat for that.and junkyards or salvage yard cant sell a used one it's against the law but i'd do it if they would sell it to me. and flowmaster is what you want if your going new but still think you will still do some welding like i said..good luck to you...

AzTumbleweed
03-20-2009, 10:09 AM
You don't mention why you are replacing it. I had a car once and I suspect the cat was clogged up. I pulled it off, knocked out the insides then put it back on.

Arnoldtheskier
03-21-2009, 08:30 AM
You don't mention why you are replacing it. I had a car once and I suspect the cat was clogged up. I pulled it off, knocked out the insides then put it back on.


Funny..how engine block core plugs seem to just fit in the holes in the cat that WERE plugged with the SAME size plug. I WONDER (cough/cough) if anyone has ever had to remove the guts of the cat through one of those holes and then just plug it back up so the car would run right.

AzTumbleweed
03-21-2009, 06:41 PM
Funny..how engine block core plugs seem to just fit in the holes in the cat that WERE plugged with the SAME size plug. I WONDER (cough/cough) if anyone has ever had to remove the guts of the cat through one of those holes and then just plug it back up so the car would run right.

In theory a damn good idea! Of course we're just (cough/cough) talking theoretically. :grinyes:

Arnoldtheskier
03-22-2009, 12:55 PM
In theory a damn good idea! Of course we're just (cough/cough) talking theoretically. :grinyes:

My bad..sorry/you're right. I should have said..HMMmm..I wonder what that plugged hole in the cat is for? I wonder what would happen if you took that plug out? I wonder what else would fit back in there as the original plug MIGHT get damaged taking it out? Do you think an engine block core plug(frost plug) might fit?

AzTumbleweed
03-22-2009, 02:08 PM
You're right! And when I knocked the insides out of my CAT It was (Ahem) in the Soviet Union before I lived in the US. :screwy:

smkdamicz
03-30-2009, 04:23 PM
This is where i bought mine.

http://www.discountconverter.com/

Much cheaper than the dealer price of 800 dollars. I do have a 1.9l though. Hope this helps


Dave

zzyzzx2
04-07-2009, 08:46 AM
You could probably get a used one from a part out on Craigslist or at FEOA.net

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