our very own george... yea he has a write up of how to swap a sr20det in his g20... go get it... nice job george!!

Cool, I can't wait to read that article. I have been following his progress and had a few e-mail conversations with him about the project.

Knowing George it will be full of good writing and great pictures.

Damn, I just know its going to make me want to turbo my G20 again!

Thanks a bunch guys. I really appreciate the kind words.

I'm sorry for so long I kept telling y'all I would have a nice write-up with photos and kept putting you off. I hope it was worth the wait. :)

BTW, ViEt-G20, you should plan on coming to the 4th Annual Day After Thanksgiving Geekout. :)

George is a pimp.

-Phil

Congradulations George...i will definitely pick up an issue this weekend...

yay DET swaps in 1000000 easy steps! :D

Originally posted by Apeman
Damn, I just know its going to make me want to turbo my G20 again!
Apeman == Antony? :confused:

Originally posted by G-Forces

Apeman == Antony? :confused: You sir, are correct.

good job george, have you ever considered doing a bunch a write ups on the DE and DET's (especially g20's lol) for SCC?? cause i still see too many damn hondas :devil:

Hell, I can't wait anymore, I'm going down to the magazine shop to buy it.

Wahh, I think you'll have to wait. I was in Chapters yesterday and the November issue was still there. Georges article is in the December issue. BTW, good job George..give you a case of Shiner Bock and you'll do anything. ;)

Anyway you'll probably have to wait till the 29th till it hits the shelves. Subscribies might get it sooner. :(

good job George! two big thumbs up for ya :flash:

Originally posted by P10DET
BTW, ViEt-G20, you should plan on coming to the 4th Annual Day After Thanksgiving Geekout. :)

im not sure if i can make it... but where do u live?... if thats the where the geekout is. let me know....

That's awsome George I will definatley pick up a mag!:D

p10det- good job! looking forward to hitting borders soon. :D

luke- your next!!! :p

CONGRATS GEO! let's start the counter... this makes two turbocharged G20's in SCC, however, it's the first one that is privately owned, the other was that JWT special, (anyone know what happened with that vehicle?)

Would this be the December issue ??

B&N still has their November SCC out which has no mention of Geo's car...

Yeah it's December issue. The November issue should be on teh racks till the 29th I think. I'll be buying a copy a usual. :lol2:

Since it appears that most all of us are not subscribers, but buy it every month anyway. How about a group deal on subscriptions? :D I have over 3 years of SCC's on my bookshelf here (my roommate was in awe when i unpacked them) haha. Man, to think how much i would have saved with a subscription for the past 3 years.. oh well. Id still pay the extra money without even thinking about it as I think that magazine is the best written car mag out there right now, Kojima's articles are the great!

A subscription would be great but as a Canadian subscriber I find first of all I don't actually save very much money and secondly the delivery is a little flaky. Sometimes the mag will arrive upto a week after they hit the stands. If I was living in the US I probably would subscribe but the cost savings to me as a Canadain isn't worth while. :(

Originally posted by P10DET
Thanks a bunch guys. I really appreciate the kind words.

I'm sorry for so long I kept telling y'all I would have a nice write-up with photos and kept putting you off. I hope it was worth the wait. :)


Finally get to see the pics. Good job Geo and congrats! :D


L8r
G20er

G-Forces....I went to chapters today the december issue is on the rack. GOOD JOB GEORGE WAY TO REPRESENT THE G

by the way g-forces were you at Tim Hortons tonight I saw a black g driving out when I drove in. I saw like 5 G20s tonight I don't know why

Nope wasn't me. I was home all last nite.

I was at a Tim Horton last night ...markham and Finch Area ..maybe it was me ..

I think he mean the Tim Ho's in Wopbridge, around where I used to live.

I think I got that issue. I've got a subscription and got one in the mail the other day. I haven't read it yet, though. Is that the one that says something about G-something or another on the front??:confused:

If it is, then that's the one I have. I'm at work, but I think I'll read that one tonight. Good going, George!!!!

has anyone got a link to SCC site maybe us UK folks can get subscription over here. It sound like a good read.

Originally posted by nubiannupe
Is that the one that says something about G-something or another on the front??:confused:
Dat be the one! I picked up my issue today...good read.

Originally posted by P11GT
has anyone got a link to SCC site maybe us UK folks can get subscription over here. It sound like a good read. Subscribe through AF! :D (http://www.automotivehelper.com/mags.php)

my bad.....but wat does SCC mean???

Originally posted by Shobo
my bad.....but wat does SCC mean???

Sport Compact Car... its a magazine :D

Got my copy today, nice job. Makes me want to get a DET. How does it spool with the JWT flywheel? Is it nice?

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
Got my copy today, nice job. Makes me want to get a DET. How does it spool with the JWT flywheel? Is it nice?

The flywheel, pulleys, Extrude Hone, and Swain coatings really work well. Off boost the car feels very much like a NA engine (where usually on a DET it feels a bit sluggish off-boost). It spools early and smoothly. You cannot really feel the boost come on, it's that smooth. When you hit about 3k rpm, it really takes off, but you can definitely feel the boost lower. You just cannot feel when it starts building. I do not have a boost gauge (running stock boost) so I don't even know where it starts building, but it's pretty low.

The mods I did are not inexpensive. A bigger turbo will make more power for sure. But, what I did makes the car much smoother and easier to drive.

Originally posted by P10DET
The mods I did are not inexpensive.
Ick! Double negative using bas... :D:D:D

Originally posted by G-Forces

Ick! Double negative using bas... :D:D:D

Hey, now that I think I'm a writer, I have a license to kill the English language. :right:

King Turd 008 :D

Geo- I havn't been able to get my hands on a copy of the SCC yet (Borders is slow on getting their stuff in this month i guess). Who wrote the article?

hey George, nice job on the article!...I definitely wouldn't mind a DET swap myself...maybe one day.

I will pick it up tommorrow.

Originally posted by JustinP10
Geo- I havn't been able to get my hands on a copy of the SCC yet (Borders is slow on getting their stuff in this month i guess). Who wrote the article?

ME! :D

Photos too. :D

Goes on sale Monday. Everyone else has seen it because they subscribe.

At Zellers we have it today! (Saturday)

Goerge,

Great article I picked it up yesterday. Very Good Writting !! I think I would never want to do this myself but if I do I have the bible according to George.

Congratulations on being a published author !!!

Originally posted by poppy_morenito
Goerge,

Great article I picked it up yesterday. Very Good Writting !! I think I would never want to do this myself but if I do I have the bible according to George.

Congratulations on being a published author !!!

Thanks so much. It's a labor of love for sure. It's certainly not for everyone since it takes so much longer to complete a project when you have to not only stop to shoot photos, but to get publication quality photos. I have more than half my time invested in photography.

I'm glad you liked it. Hopefully I can contribute more in the future.

Sounds like a great article. Unfortunately its not available in NZ. :( This might be a bit of a long shot, but is anyone willing to scan the article for all of us non USions! (Fancy word for Americans - just made it up, quite impressed actually!). Yeh, so anyone keen. It would be greatly appreciated!:D

Originally posted by AWD Primera
us non USions! (Fancy word for Americans - just made it up, quite impressed actually!). :confused: How would you pronounce that? :huh:

Originally posted by P10DET


Thanks so much. It's a labor of love for sure. It's certainly not for everyone since it takes so much longer to complete a project when you have to not only stop to shoot photos, but to get publication quality photos. I have more than half my time invested in photography.

Yeah you're not kidding. I start a project with all intentions of documenting my installations. However I don't really know what I'm doing so I just go to it and forget about the pics after about the first 10 mins. :)

Actually, i guess it should be USians - ahh thats better! :flash:

So - anyone keen to scan the article. Not sure what would be in it for you. Maybe, the eternal joy of knowing that you have pleased all those "non- USians" who desparately want to read the Georges inspirational piece magazine quality documentation! (Took me a while to come up with that!):cool: Please!

Originally posted by jay@af
Subscribe through AF! :D (http://www.automotivehelper.com/mags.php)

Here is their website:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/index.jsp

Originally posted by Blue94G20T
Here is their website:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/index.jsp But go through AF. We're cheaper, and it helps this site. :D

Could this be it? :flash:

bought my issue today. great article. good job george. as expected, the article was a great read. i learned some good info. and commend george for a job well done.
is this your first article/published writing george? if so i second the congrats to you.

Originally posted by jay@af

Could this be it? :flash:
Maaaan how'd you guess? ;)

Originally posted by greekman
is this your first article/published writing george? if so i second the congrats to you.

Yes it is. Thanks. :)

just finished reading the article today george! great job! i was ecstatic when i heard the news.. i read the first few paragraphs of the article to my parents and girlfriend, but they lost interest. ignorant fools! ;)

now.. when are you going to bring your P10 to an east coast meet. after all, you got a ride in mine.. now i want a ride in yours. :D

its in the December issue right? should it be out already in california? hope so, im going to check the bookstores. :D

Anyone else notice that SCC spelled "Infiniti" wrong in the pic I posted? That happens all the time. Does it bug you guys?

Originally posted by jay@af
Anyone else notice that SCC spelled "Infiniti" wrong in the pic I posted? That happens all the time. Does it bug you guys?
Damn never noticed. It doesn't bug me as much as people saying the G20 is a reskined Sentra. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bump909
now.. when are you going to bring your P10 to an east coast meet. after all, you got a ride in mine.. now i want a ride in yours. :D

You should have come to the SE-R National Convention this year in DC. I was there. :D

unfortunately i couldn't make it to that one.. but i definitely plan on going to next year's! hopefully a lot of the other guys on here will do the same too. :cool:

Originally posted by bump909
unfortunately i couldn't make it to that one.. but i definitely plan on going to next year's! hopefully a lot of the other guys on here will do the same too. :cool:

I'll be at next year's convention as well. I don't know if I will be driving my car out or not. Kerry and I are trying to go to Australia next year on our frequent flyer miles while the redemption miles are reduced (by a full 25%). If that happens we won't have enough vacation time to drive out.

George you the man! A bunch of us on the npclub.com board were doing our homeowrk to get a group buy on DET's happening...Now we pretty much know where we're going. Looks like Montreal will have a fleet of DET powered Nissans :) and 1 incredible G20.

It is a very good article, Ijust picked it up yesterday. Its amazing what 6 psi will do:)

Very thorough, detailed and informative. P10DET made sure that the article covered every base involved in the process. Even if you never plan on doing an engine swap, the article still has tons of useful stuff that applies to most p10 owners. Damn good job, P10DET!!!

:cool: :cool:

Awsome article and nice pictures George! One question though, I noticed that no aftermarket motor mounts were mentioned. Will the stock mounts keep the DET from running away?

Damian Stevens
94 Black Widow P10

Originally posted by p_r_i_m_e_r_a
Awsome article and nice pictures George! One question though, I noticed that no aftermarket motor mounts were mentioned. Will the stock mounts keep the DET from running away?

Thanks for the kind words.

No aftermarket mounts in the car. In fact the ones I am using have 50k miles on them. I have no interest in stiff engine mounts in this car. I am trying to keep it quite civil. My goals have been a car with the feel of a good European tuner car. That means no vibrations in the cabin due to hard engine mounts.

They work just fine for me, but then I'm not at all hard on the drivetrain. Don't mistake that for a granny driver, but I'm sensitive to the machine and don't abuse it. They would not be what you wantn for a serioius drag or track car, but I'm not interested in driving a boy-racer on the street.

BTW, I'm really close to my goal for it. The coilovers are surprisingly smooth - only the worst bumps are really hard, and that's due to bottoming. If I can raise the front about 0.125 - 0.250" and/or get some Truechoice bumpstops on it, it should be really sweet. I get a bit more squeaking in the coachwork, but I should be able to hunt that down and stop it. I need to do something about swaybars. I've got a few things in mind.

Originally posted by P10DET


Thanks for the kind words.

No aftermarket mounts in the car. In fact the ones I am using have 50k miles on them. I have no interest in stiff engine mounts in this car. I am trying to keep it quite civil. My goals have been a car with the feel of a good European tuner car. That means no vibrations in the cabin due to hard engine mounts.

They work just fine for me, but then I'm not at all hard on the drivetrain. Don't mistake that for a granny driver, but I'm sensitive to the machine and don't abuse it. They would not be what you wantn for a serioius drag or track car, but I'm not interested in driving a boy-racer on the street.

BTW, I'm really close to my goal for it. The coilovers are surprisingly smooth - only the worst bumps are really hard, and that's due to bottoming. If I can raise the front about 0.125 - 0.250" and/or get some Truechoice bumpstops on it, it should be really sweet. I get a bit more squeaking in the coachwork, but I should be able to hunt that down and stop it. I need to do something about swaybars. I've got a few things in mind.

I didn't understand what you did to the exhaust. What exactly did you change?

:coolguy: :coolguy:

Originally posted by howard_w13
I didn't understand what you did to the exhaust. What exactly did you change?

Nothing. Right now it's stock. I did have to fabricate a downpipe from the turbo to the cat.

Originally posted by P10DET


Nothing. Right now it's stock. I did have to fabricate a downpipe from the turbo to the cat.

aren't you going to get the remus rear section and get a custom mandrel bend cat-muffler (when of course you find somebody that does mandrel bends)?

wow its only running 6 psi? is there any chance of overheating? man i cant wait til i get my P11 and my DET :D but probably not for a long time :(

got my copy today :D thanks for the great write up george... now, just to get a P11. :D

Originally posted by greekman
aren't you going to get the remus rear section and get a custom mandrel bend cat-muffler (when of course you find somebody that does mandrel bends)?

I do indeed plan to buy a Remus 2.5" dual outlet universal muffler and probably a Magnaflow resonator. I will be building the exhaust myself using mandrel U bends that are readily available. I'll have to borrow, rent, or buy a welder now. I borrowed a welder to tack the pipes for the IC and had someone else make the full weld.

Wouldn't 3" be better matched to a turbo application?

Originally posted by spnx
Wouldn't 3" be better matched to a turbo application?

If your goal is maximum power, yes. That's not my goal. I want my car to be very quiet with good flow. I'm willing to give up a few hp for a car that is extremely easy to live with as a daily driver.

James, I thought you knew that. :)

I didn't think that 3" would increase noise that much more though? However, I have to admit that I'm unfamiliar with turbo applications.

Very sweet setup.. Just wondering if you could provide a $$$$ amount on the cost. I would really like know how much $$$$ was involved. So I can start saving up.......


Juan

:bandit:

$4k to $6k

I thought JWT didnt offer any OBD-II ECU's?


on page 264 of George's article there is a box at the top of the page that reads:

Engine Management Parts:

JWT ECU: $500 OBD-I, $600 OBD-II




whats the deal here?

Originally posted by b-b00gie
JWT ECU: $500 OBD-I, $600 OBD-II

whats the deal here?
They don't have 98+ ECU's available. The 96-97 ECU is still ODB-II and you can modify that ecu to work with the P11.

Oh I see said the blind man to the deaf dog :)


any ideas what types of modifications and how extensive? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by b-b00gie

any ideas what types of modifications and how extensive? :rolleyes:
Change the rear O2 sensor to a 96 200SX P/N. Cut your wiring harness a bit. They have instruction (not specifically for the 99+ G20) and you can always call for help.

Hmm.. why havent we talked about this sooner?


Turbo time? :rolleyes:

I wasn't 100% if it could be done as easily on the 99+ G20 as it was to do in the 98+ 200sx. However after talking to Ben at JWT he got the confirmation for me.

I still don't like the fact that I'll have to cut up my harness. It just introduces another point of failure. But I probably won't have a choice. Like one of the members on the main SE-R list says, "Do you want to go fast, or do you want to suck?" :D

JWT has been giving some help on this...apparently, ONLY the 99 G20 wiring harness can be plug on to the 95-97 SER ecu, meaning that as of right now, if you want to turbo and get the right program, only the 99 G20 can benefit from both.
I am waiting for JWT to fax me the entire instructions on what exactly needs to be modded to make our harness work on the ecu, but from what i heard from them, it's very simple.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Hmm.. why havent we talked about this sooner?


Turbo time? :rolleyes:

I have. :D

BTW, I wrote a long response to your PM and my web mail ate it! :mad:

I ran out of time to rewrite it yesterday. I'll send you a new response tonight. I'm not blowing you off. :)

This is getting very interesting

Originally posted by P10DET


I have. :D

BTW, I wrote a long response to your PM and my web mail ate it! :mad:

I ran out of time to rewrite it yesterday. I'll send you a new response tonight. I'm not blowing you off. :)

OK ;)


I've had stuff like that happen to me tons of times when posting on the forum here. I'll mean to hit "shift+a" for a capitol A and I'll accidentally hit "control+a" which selects all the text... and then as soon as you hit the next key... BAM!!! the whole post is gone!! :(

if that happens, you should hit ctrl+z...

George, the DET has mechanical shim in bucket lifters?

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
George, the DET has mechanical shim in bucket lifters?

No. The Bluebird DET uses the exact same valvetrain as the DE (with the exception of sodium filled valves). It uses HVLAs and rockers. It has shims and rocker guides, but they are very different from what you are talking about.

The GTi-R engine uses mechanical lash adjsutment, but it still uses rockers, which is also quite different from what you are thinking about.

When I read the unstable hybrid list, they said the RWD DET has shim in bucket, I know this is true for the KA. I thought that the SR's shared the same valvetrain but I wanted to double check before I run off at the mouth sometime in the future. Thanks again.

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
When I read the unstable hybrid list, they said the RWD DET has shim in bucket

Nope. Same as the AWD DET.

I knew they were full of it. Did you read the newest SCC? Mike wants to put a KA crank in the SR. SR23DE.

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
I knew they were full of it. Did you read the newest SCC? Mike wants to put a KA crank in the SR. SR23DE.

I know that's what it says, but I don't quite think that's right. :D

I couldn't obtain a December issue of the SCC! But I am sure George did a great job....well done George!!

I did pick up a February issue.....neat stuffs....

is anybody can send me the article of the g20 sr20det into my email?
joselemay@videotron.ca
thanks! :)