Well, we had a good run. Time to say goodbye to America.

Now that Obama is president we'll have bailouts left and right, new regulations that hurt small buisness owners and entrepuneurs, and gun control only Hitler could dream of.

It's a basic fact of politics, more goverment control = less prosperity.

Here are some things we can expect -

- Higher taxes, fewer people paying taxes.
(only 48% of people pay income tax)
- A boost in secular-progressive attacks on christians.
- More pointless agencies and departments that hemorage tax dollars.
- Censorship of churches and political protesters.
(Case in point - Fairness Doctrine)
- More leftist propaganda in schools. (global warming, anti-American bull)

If you love America vote conservative.

Okay, instead of fear-mongering and throwing labels all around the place, lets have some rational analysis here. The president does not have dictitorial powers, dispite Bush and Cheneys efforts to increase the power of the Executive branch.

Modern economies like the US use spohisticated fiscal management policies to moderate and guide the economy. Generally speaking, 'bailouts' and taxes are just minor components of an extremely complex and interconnected range of fiscal tools to achieve reasonable economic goals.

To claim that 'more government control=less prosperity' is a gross oversimplification of the situation. For example, the Great Depression grew out of a period of minimal government influence in the economy. Government control was minimal and there was a dramatic decline in prosperity. It has been shown over and over again that minimal government control creates economic instability, with unmoderated periods of great economic expansion and crushing, miserable depressions. Such instability, in the long run, hinders prosperity.

However, the unprecedented economic prosperity we have seen since WWII have arisen, in large part due to the sober-minded and pragmatic participation of the government. Obama is NOT going to change this, regardless of what Rush says.

Frankly, the other, non-fiscal 'expectations' you list are ridiculous right wing propaganda and fear mongering.
If you love America, educate yourself, keep an open mind and do not let right wing pundits and religious leaders tell you how to think. :smile:

Modern economies like the US use spohisticated fiscal management policies to moderate and guide the economy. Generally speaking, 'bailouts' and taxes are just minor components of an extremely complex and interconnected range of fiscal tools to achieve reasonable economic goals.

So using taxpayer dollars to support failed buisnesses is a 'reasonable economic goal'?:rolleyes:

To claim that 'more government control=less prosperity' is a gross oversimplification of the situation. For example, the Great Depression grew out of a period of minimal government influence in the economy.

True to an extent, but the New Deal made things worse in the long run.

However, the unprecedented economic prosperity we have seen since WWII have arisen, in large part due to the sober-minded and pragmatic participation of the government.

Wrong, the prosperity was due to the rise in jobs held by returning troops and the expanding leisure industry (radio, tv, theme parks).

If you love America, educate yourself, keep an open mind and do not let right wing pundits and religious leaders tell you how to think.

1. I do not recall quoting or reffering to any religious leaders in any way.

2. You actually have the gall to claim thatconservatives are the ones telling people how to think? Ever heard of 'MSNBC', it's so liberal its painful to watch.
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Just another extremist right-wingnut posting. I get real tired of the wingnuts calling themselves conservatives, it just gives the real conservatives a black eye. ExoticSpotting just throws around a bunch of phrases that incite his own kind without elucidation of any kind.



gun control only Hitler could dream of.

secular-progressive

pointless agencies

Censorship of churches

leftist propaganda in schools


All of the above quote is garbage, unless you're a brain washed wingnut with the ability to see into the future you already preordained.

Pointless phrases?

"gun control only Hitler could dream of."
The handgun ban in D.C. that was recently overturned when people started thinking rationaly.

"secular-progressive"
The athiest sign in the Washington capitol. Schools banning christmas trees and renaming christmas break 'holiday break'.

"pointless agencies"
FEMA ring a bell? Responded too late? Handed out trailers manufactured with toxic materials? Never heard of them?

"Censorship of churches"
Laws have been passed that tax churches that include political issues in their sermons.

"leftist propaganda in schools"
So teaching global warming as scientific fact isn't propaganda?:rolleyes:

"Liberal president" doesn't begin to describe what we will have in January.

"Radical, Marxist", is much closer to the mark.

Take from those who work hard and give it to those that don't.

Pointless phrases?

"gun control only Hitler could dream of."
The handgun ban in D.C. that was recently overturned when people started thinking rationaly.

So Obama is Hitler because he doesn't want people to own assault rifles? Please rationalize private ownership of weapons that serve no other purpose than to kill large amounts of people. Should we legalize missile launchers next?:rolleyes:

"secular-progressive"
The athiest sign in the Washington capitol. Schools banning christmas trees and renaming christmas break 'holiday break'.

Religion has no place in politics. This is a fundamental American principle. If you love America as you say you do, you would understand this.:rolleyes:

"pointless agencies"
FEMA ring a bell? Responded too late? Handed out trailers manufactured with toxic materials? Never heard of them?

So FEMA is pointless but DHS is worthy? How much have they spent illegally wiretapping American citizens? I suppose the $1 trillion in Iraq was well spent though, and justified, too:rolleyes:

"Censorship of churches"
Laws have been passed that tax churches that include political issues in their sermons.

Most churches are non-profit organizations that are generally tax exempt. If religious leaders want to support political candidates, that's fine, but then they pay taxes like everyone else. A tax break in the form of an exemption cannot be bestowed upon religious organizations with political affiliations. As stated above, religion has no place in politics. This is a fundamental American principle. If you love America as you say you do, you would understand this.:rolleyes:


"leftist propaganda in schools"
So teaching global warming as scientific fact isn't propaganda?

Global warming is a scientific fact. Causality has not been established. Get your facts straight.:rolleyes:

While there is partial truth to some of this, it is not the whole truth. Like Thrasher said, global warming does happen, so does global cooling. The Earth has been warming and cooling since its life began...and we are currently supposed to be in a warming cycle. IMO, it is just being used as political propaganda right now. Now if schools started teaching that the Earth was warming because of people as a fact, I would have a problem with that. They just need to bring in the fact that the Earth does in fact go through warming and cooling phases...unfortunately I have had teachers teach otherwise.

Pointless phrases?

"gun control only Hitler could dream of."
The handgun ban in D.C. that was recently overturned when people started thinking rationaly.

What a bunch of Bull Shit. It had nothing to do with the “people thinking rationally”. It was The Supreme Court of The United States that overturned that ban.

Schools banning christmas trees and renaming christmas break 'holiday break'.

The word “holiday” is a contraction of “Holy Days” and is generally recognized as an inclusive term that takes into consideration the wide and varied number of faiths that observe their Holy Days about this time. The Christians came last to the season and now have the gall to claim it as their own? The Holy Days go back to long before the birth of Christ and the 336 years after his death when the Christians decided to usurp the Holy Days.

Oh, and by the way ExoticSpotting, I didn't know you were Catholic.

Christmas has nothing whatsoever to do with the pagan practices revolving around the "holidays". That is one reason why many Christians resent the notion of the Christmas greeting being bastardized into "Happy Holidays".

But....

This kind of crap can be expected to grow with the infiltration of the nation's conscience with the liberal notions and communistic philosophies of the radical left. These illogical concepts are growing more and more prevailent in our rapidly declining country.

Just think back to the beginning of WWII. Would we have elected a president named "Hirohito" just a few years after Pearl Harbor? When we fought WWII we fought to win. Now we elect a president who wants to surrender.

Just another extremist right-wingnut posting. I get real tired of the wingnuts calling themselves conservatives, it just gives the real conservatives a black eye. ExoticSpotting just throws around a bunch of phrases that incite his own kind without elucidation of any kind.

All of the above quote is garbage, unless you're a brain washed wingnut with the ability to see into the future you already preordained.
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Christmas has nothing whatsoever to do with the pagan practices revolving around the "holidays". That is one reason why many Christians resent the notion of the Christmas greeting being bastardized into "Happy Holidays".
Many of the trappings of Christmas are associated with Yule and are pagan in nature. Christianity has happily borrowed from other religions in the past. It helps make new Christian converts feel more comfortable with Christianity by customizing certain events.

Also they make the Christmas events more fun, especially for children........ which in turn helps indoctrinate those kids to Christian principles and helps the religion perpetuate itself........ so these pagan trappings (or the Easter Bunny for that matter) are good for Christianity, not bad......

This kind of crap can be expected to grow with the infiltration of the nation's conscience with the liberal notions and communistic philosophies of the radical left. These illogical concepts are growing more and more prevailent in our rapidly declining country.
The US is not in a decline at all. Faced with challanges, yes, but decline..... no. Frankly, the move of the US becoming more secular is simply a representation of changing times within a democratic framework. Maintaining rigid, Christian ideology is no more inclusive or democratic than Communism.


Just think back to the beginning of WWII. Would we have elected a president named "Hirohito" just a few years after Pearl Harbor? When we fought WWII we fought to win. Now we elect a president who wants to surrender.
What does he want to surrender?? The issues surrounding WWII are not analogous to those today. 'Fighting to win' against the nebulous enemies which the US has today will drive the US into bankruptcy and will result in the loss of everything. A more subtle approach is required, which Obama may well have.

This sounds familiar, very close to what Herbert Hoover said in 1929! :uhoh:

The US is not in a decline at all. Faced with challanges, yes, but decline..... no.

The fundamental business of the country, that is, production and distribution of commodities, is on a sound and prosperous basis.


Four days later, the stock market crashed, depression followed and Hoover became a joke. :crying:

I guess it depends on what the definition of ‘is’……is! :rofl:

I guess it depends on what the definition of ‘is’……is! :rofl:
Hey, I am being optimistic here. :smile:

^^So was Hoover...time to be realistic instead of opptomistic.

So Obama is Hitler because he doesn't want people to own assault rifles? Please rationalize private ownership of weapons that serve no other purpose than to kill large amounts of people.quote/]

There is no evidence that an automatic weapon that was purchased through legal channels has ever been used to commit a crime, not one case.

Since the average American who owns an automatic weapon legally and handles it in a secure manner poses no threat to anybody else, why ban them?

If a criminal wants to get an automatic weapon, laws won't stop them.
So why let the criminals have them and leave the hardworking Americans with only dinky little purse pistols to protect themselves?

Owning an automatic weapon legally is not dangerous to anybody else, so just because the decision to buy one doesn't make sense to some people, does that give the goverment the right to tell me I can't buy one?

[guote=thrasher] Religion has no place in politics. This is a fundamental American principle. [quote/]

You are right and wrong.

Should the goverment support one religion over another? No.

If I take into account my religious beliefs when making a decision about politics, does that make me a religious zealot? No.

The goverment has no right to use religion in politics, the people do.

[quote=thrasher]ost churches are non-profit organizations that are generally tax exempt. If religious leaders want to support political candidates, that's fine, but then they pay taxes like everyone else. A tax break in the form of an exemption cannot be bestowed upon religious organizations with political affiliations. As stated above, religion has no place in politics. This is a fundamental American principle. If you love America as you say you do, you would understand this. [quote/]

If a religious leader believes that a candidate would help the religious group acheive their goals, it becomes a religious issue, which is not taxable.

The goverment has no right to tax a religious institution on any grounds. Especially considering it's the religious institution that laid the framework for this country in the first place.

[quote=thrasher]global warming is a scientific fact. Causality has not been established. Get your facts straight.

It's common knowledge that change global temperature is caused by variations in the distance between the earth and sun that happen gradually over time in cycles. I was reffering to the fact that schools are teaching that global warming is caused by humans, which is false.

Christmas has nothing whatsoever to do with the pagan practices revolving around the "holidays". That is one reason why many Christians resent the notion of the Christmas greeting being bastardized into "Happy Holidays".

When we fought WWII we fought to win. Now we elect a president who wants to surrender.

I think I might cry a little...:iagree::15millionsign:

You are %100 correct, it seems you've heard about Jimmy Carter to.:iceslolan

The word “holiday” is a contraction of “Holy Days” and is generally recognized as an inclusive term that takes into consideration the wide and varied number of faiths that observe their Holy Days about this time. The Christians came last to the season and now have the gall to claim it as their own? The Holy Days go back to long before the birth of Christ and the 336 years after his death when the Christians decided to usurp the Holy Days.

Oh, and by the way ExoticSpotting, I didn't know you were Catholic.

Christmas was started by a Pope awhile back as a way to set a common date for the celebration of the birth of Christ and to cover up these pagan traditions. Two birds with one stone.

I'm not claiming christians 'own' the season, I was simply pointing out one of the changes caused by the secular movement.

By the way, i'm a Methodist who happened to go to a Catholic private school.

Don't try to insult Catholics. Sure, in the middle ages the Popes were messed up, but now they are a very helpful, welcoming group of people. Not the zealots liberals make them out to be.