1/24 Ferrari 250...what is what!?

Hi all,

i'm intending to build a series of rare 1/24 Ferrari 250's, using the 250GT swb, california spyder, GTO & 275 nart kits as kit bases.
for some speciale Ferraris, i may be using the MGB, 300 SLR unhlenhuat, maserati 3500GT & even BMW 507!!!

i have a couple of questions to ask, please feel free to help if you have any information(s)

1) the LWB & SWB GTs...besides 2400 vs 2600mm wheelbases, are they using the same 'columbo' 3l engines?

2) if i wanna stretch the SWB into LWB, exactly how much length is that...in cm?

3) is there such a ferrari called 250GT FANTUZZI NART #2235GT? if so, what type of engine is this car using?

4) the Ferrari 375mm speciale(the mercedes 300 SLR lookalike), are the doors gull-wing too? whatz the wheelbase of this ferrari?

5) i counted 5 types of Zagato Ferraris so far, are they all LWB? engine type?

6) Bertone Ferrari 250GT(the bmw 507 lookalike), what engine is it based on? and the wheelbase?

7) Bertone Ferrari 3000, does it exist? if so, the wheelbase & engine type?

8) Ferrari 250GT Drogos, how many kind of drogos are there? i counted a 275 based, a 250GTO & a breadvan. about the wheelbases & engine types?

9) Ferrari 250GT Nembo, can i confirm that there's both a coupe & spyder versions? and the wheelbase & engine type?

10) 250LMS, the later type of road LM with a larger glass area...same engine as LM?

11) i believe there's a one-off 250GTO spyder existed in yellow, anyone have seen it too?

12) 250GT spyder series2, 275GTS & 250GT PF...how to spot which is which?

13) 250GT SWB california hardtop, anyone knows what's the height of the car with the hardtop on?

if you have any study on any of the above, please help...
Ferrari 250's are in my blood but i can't seem to figure out what is what all this while!! shame....

thank in advance!

cheers!:popcorn:

marc
SGP

First of all, good luck :-)

Second, try to tackle one at a time and share the results with other modelers too. And don't start with 250 GT Pininfarina coupe or series 2 PF Cabrio.

Third, only my opinion, forget Nembos and Drogos, there are more than enough "real" factory Ferraris to scratchbuild without these later (or perioid) rebodies.

1. There is only one (IIRC) Lampredi engined 250 Europa, rest of the 250 series are Colombo. This doesn't mean that the engines all look the same. There are a lot of differences between these. Different oil pans, carb setups etc.

2. (2600mm-2400mm)/24 = 8,33 mm (in 1/24 scale)

3. ??

4. Normal doors, 2600mm 375MM Chassis. BTW, ühlenhaut coupe is '56 and 375MM is '54 so which one is lookalike?

5. There are 10. Zagato bodied Ferraris. 1*330GTC based, 1*250 SWB, 3*166MM and 5*250GT LWB

6. LWB 250, don't remember the exact engine type.

7. ??

8. ??

9. ??

10. Yes

11. No. This was done at the 80's. Chassis was 330GT 2+2

12. A bit of surfing on www.ferraris-online.com should help.

13. ??

-Niko

As Niko said: First of all good luck!!! But please build the Drogo Ferraris.

For the Norinder-Drogo I can send you as many Detail-Photos as you want. It could take two or three weeks and you have to tell me wthat details are important for you.

A good source for the Drogos will be this page http://www.tybrainstorm.de/home/start-drogo.html

Thomas

1) the LWB & SWB GTs...besides 2400 vs 2600mm wheelbases, are they using the same 'columbo' 3l engines?

From what I've found:

250GT LWB - 128C/D/F type engines
250GT SWB - 168/168D type engines

Both types are Colombo V12 60degree 2853 ccm engines.


2) if i wanna stretch the SWB into LWB, exactly how much length is that...in cm?


You mean SWB Spyder into LWB Spyder or Berlineta?

Overall size length x Width x Height [mm]:

1. 250 GT SWB Spyder: 4200 x 1720 x 1370
2. 250 GT LWB Spyder: 4700 x 1690 x 1330
3. 250 GT SWB Berlineta: 4150 x 1690 x 1260
4. 250 GT LWB Berlineta: 4700 x 1725 x 1340



4) the Ferrari 375mm speciale(the mercedes 300 SLR lookalike), are the doors gull-wing too? whatz the wheelbase of this ferrari?

You mean sn 0456AM?
I think it didn't have gull-wing type doors. Maybe someone can confirm this.

Good luck and keep us updated on your advancement!

A good source for the Drogos will be this page http://www.tybrainstorm.de/home/start-drogo.html

Thomas


thankx thomas! the link you sent me is very useful, for now i finally realised there are so many more drogos! so diego drogo was the man behind all these super slick ferrari designs...and that includes the 206S & the P4!!!

so thatz what they called those wierd ferraris eh!?

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/siebenthalgt.jpg
siebenthal GT?

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/kerrisongt.jpg
kerrison GT??

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/silbenthalgto.jpg
siebenthal GTO???

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/norindergto.jpg
norinder GTO!?!?

well yes please! send me any info on any of the cars! you see, all info provided will help me into selecting which model kit matches closest to which drogo...for now, i can see a 250GTO & 275GTB kits can be useful here.

thankx again & keep those unknown info on these rare ferraris coming!

cheers!:grinyes:

marc
SGP

You mean sn 0456AM?
I think it didn't have gull-wing type doors. Maybe someone can confirm this.

Good luck and keep us updated on your advancement!


Hi there, thankx for the dimensions...they're certainly useful in calculating just how long is the LWB as compare to the SWB in 1/24 scale!

yes we all..the 250 fans, should fuel this tread with whatever information or pics to make known to ALL that there are really so many types of 250!!!

long live the 250s!!!:ylsuper:

marc
SGP

OK, I'll fill in some blanks:

1. Europa, Boano/Ellena have Lampredi engines, the rest like Niko said are Colombo design, but different types, even on the same cars, depends on particular chassis.
2. You sort of answered your question - 2400 vs 2600 mm that would be? 200mm? :-)
3. Rebodied 250 GT 2+2 (250 GTE) by Fantuzzi for Luigi Chinetti with 'basket handle' body like 250 P and fitted with TR spec engine.
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6. 3269GT - 2nd and last Bertone Ferrari, based on 250 GT SWB, steel body, LHD.
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8. Breadvan is based on standard 250 GT SWB
9. Both spyder and berlinetta were built, not sure if still exist.
10. Keep in mind that engines in all but very first 250 LM were in reality a 275 engines. But as far as your ? goes then - yes.

10. Keep in mind that engines in all but very first 250 LM were in reality a 275 engines. But as far as your ? goes then - yes.

Alex may be I'm in wrong but as far as I remember all are at least 275 (so, Lampredi? since max capacity of the Colombo was stimated in 3000 cc. or it wouldn't have metal behind pistons LOL). Enzo tried to call them 250 to get the FIA GT homologation, but the car was too much different to count all engines from the 250GT, like he done with the GTO, but you know this story..

Alex may be I'm in wrong but as far as I remember all are at least 275 (so, Lampredi? since max capacity of the Colombo was stimated in 3000 cc. or it wouldn't have metal behind pistons LOL). Enzo tried to call them 250 to get the FIA GT homologation, but the car was too much different to count all engines from the 250GT, like he done with the GTO, but you know this story..

250 LM made its official debut at the 1963 Paris Motorshow, but it wasn't until 1964 that the production version was ready. Main difference between the show car and all other 250 LMs was the engine displacement. The 250 LM still used the GTO derived 3 litre, in the production cars, however, a bored 3.3 litre version was used. In good Ferrari tradition it should thus have been called 275 LM, but for commercial and homologation reasons the 250 was used.

Q7:
1739GT, isn't it?
http://www.bertone.it/User/en/scheda_60_ferrari3000_en.htm
http://www.maranello.cc/All.Ferraris/by-serial-number/odd-serial-numbers/odd-1701gt-1799gt/index.html

Nice Idea.I have seen several of these cars in person.The "Siebenthal GT"
is owned by the guy who runs the Ferrari Expo Art/Model show along with me on April 12th,2008.
Bring a few of your finished models by.We would love to see them.

Go to www.kaz43.fotki.com (http://www.kaz43.fotki.com)

for photos of the Ferrari Expo 2007.

Go to www.cardatabase.net (http://www.cardatabase.net)
for photos I took of the above car.Look under photographer Scale Designs
or 250 Drogo..

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs

Q7:
1739GT, isn't it?
http://www.bertone.it/User/en/scheda_60_ferrari3000_en.htm
http://www.maranello.cc/All.Ferraris/by-serial-number/odd-serial-numbers/odd-1701gt-1799gt/index.html


ah yes! so it does exist!!!
besides the few pics, any info on the car itself!?
wheelbase, length & engine type?

ah yes! so it does exist!!!
besides the few pics, any info on the car itself!?
wheelbase, length & engine type?

According to barchetta.cc it is 250 SWB.


OK, I'll fill in some blanks:

1. Europa, Boano/Ellena have Lampredi engines, the rest like Niko said are Colombo design, but different types, even on the same cars, depends on particular chassis.


I checked my references, and yes, Europas had Lampredi engines (two had colombos, to add some confusion :smile: ) , but Boano and Ellena surely had Colombos.

Q9: There were several Nembos, quick search gave atleast 1 coupe and two spyders:

1623GT (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/Detail/1623GT.250GT.Coupe.htm)

1777GT (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/Detail/1777GT.250GT.Coupe.htm)

3771GT (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3771GT.250GT.htm)

-Niko

Hi Marc,

I uploaded a few pics for you (and maybe others with interest) to rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.com/files/92828781/250_GT_Drogo.zip

If you would like to have more informations about the history just give me a notice and I will try my very best pigeon english.

Thomas

niko,

thankx for your contribution to this 250 tread! the x-referencing between you & alex is very educating...at least to me & those who wanna know more about the ferrari 250's.

guess you're right, it's still very confusing!!! hehe...

anyway, it is my intention to build some rare 250's based on all the kits i'm holding now. yes, i'll go one by one & plan well cos' i can't possibly be building all of the discussed here.

that's why i need you all 250's experts to provide any info & pics, so i can choose the easiest & shortest time mod, also the nearest body shape to start with.

keep coming on this 250's topics ok?

thomas,

thankx for the share file but i'm sorry i just can't seem to access the files in the site...

please advise & thankx!

cheers ALL!:loser:

marc
SGP

Hi Marc,

I uploaded a few pics for you (and maybe others with interest) to rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.com/files/92828781/250_GT_Drogo.zip

If you would like to have more informations about the history just give me a notice and I will try my very best pigeon english.

Thomas

Thanks for the pictures!
Very nice car, I hope Marc will pull it off!

Thanks for the pictures!
Very nice car, I hope Marc will pull it off!


ooh, the pressure is piling up here! hehe...
i'm just a novice here, trying to build something different.
in fact i already have quite a number to stalled ferrari projects, it seems i've run out of wits what to do next...guess i've no skills & planning prior to building.

ok, more questions...

1)is this a LWB spyder? original ferrari make or speciale type? specs & engine?
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/qe.jpg

2)seriously, does it looked nearly a maserati 3500GT? LWB? original ferrari or...? specs & engine?
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/qc.jpg

3)what spyder is this? LWB, engine & specs???
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/qb.jpg

4)another spyder with hardtop...cool?? think it's the most beautiful spyder...
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/qa1.jpg

5)for those who never seen a 250LM speciale (aka 250LMS). i think it's better looking in this stance, more glass more airy...!?
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/qd.jpg

keep it coming!!!:popcorn:

marc
SGP

1. Series 1 Pininfarina Cabrio. 0811GT i think. LWB,250 Colombo
2. 250 GT Boano 0533GT. LWB,250 Colombo
3. and 4. LWB California Spyders. Real or replicas i don't know. LWB,250 Colombo.

-Niko

1. Series 1 Pininfarina Cabrio. 0811GT i think. LWB,250 Colombo
2. 250 GT Boano 0533GT. LWB,250 Colombo
3. and 4. LWB California Spyders. Real or replicas i don't know. LWB,250 Colombo.

-Niko

gee niko,

you seem to be a 250 dictionary man, nothing can escape your data!
say, you ever come across a ferrari book that gathers all the 250 series?

please keep it here niko, with the help of thomas(gotcha313) i've enough of details to start with a NORINDER GTO, using a italeri 275GTB kit as base.
your 250 knowledge is vital for the buildup.

thankx ALL!:p

marc
SGP

take a look at this!

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/q1.jpg

Never seen before. Is this factory built or modified!

Never seen before. Is this factory built or modified!

Hah jano! that makes the 2 of us, asking the same question!!!
hehe...:evillol:

marc
SGP

take a look at this!

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z217/sbc3133r/q1.jpg

Whoow! Thats horrible. I was a bit scared, because I couldn't believe that someone did this to an original GTO. I didn't heard before.

All I know right now is that the drumer of ZZ-Top build a spyder on a shortened GTE chassis in 1992. But his car was red. So Marc no need to build this one!!!

@Marc and jano: I'm happy that you like the photos it was so much fun to take them. Try yourself to take a picture with goosebumps all over your body while shivering the whole time.

Thomas