lowering springs

Can you run 2" lowering springs on stock struts. If you can is it a good idea.

Not a good idea, but yes you can.

They will wear out VERY quickly. Stockers are not made to handle that type of stress and will wear out, and basically not not do their job after a while. And that "while" may be a couple weeks to a couple months, but they're going to fail.

We've got atleast one good suspension writeup, you should read it. Then you should post in the right subforums.

Lol..2"s on stock...have fun bottoming out your struts and risking F****ng your suspension components up.

I would recommend for the budgeters to go with KYB-GR2's...cheap , reliable.

... yet still stock replacements. If you're going to do it, do it right man. Modding like a cheap ass will only get you cheap ass results that you probably wont be happy with. Save up and get the AGX's or Illuminas.

Anything is better than stock unless it's some made in ebayland type crap with "Zero zone type-r racing" in the name or something.

Are there any differences in the non turbo springs from the FWD turbo ones? Will the NT springs fit in the turbo FWD?

... yet still stock replacements. If you're going to do it, do it right man. Modding like a cheap ass will only get you cheap ass results that you probably wont be happy with. Save up and get the AGX's or Illuminas.

I love my GR2's, ride like a dream, you dont even realize its a lowered car. And yes its a huge difference between stock since the GR2s are gas.

thanks tats good to know

Theres no difference between turbo and non turbo springs

I've been trying to find that anserw for a long time now. thanks

I love my GR2's, ride like a dream, you dont even realize its a lowered car. And yes its a huge difference between stock since the GR2s are gas.

GR2s???

KYB GR2 shocks/struts

Are they stockers? Or is there a height difference?

They are not meant to be used with lowering springs, they are meant to be "nice" stocker replacements. If he uses them with good results than good for him, but I personally wouldnt.

They are not meant to be used with lowering springs, they are meant to be "nice" stocker replacements.

Your right.
The only reason I bought them is because a guy from school with a GST bought the GR2's and the Sportline springs and didnt want them, so I got the springs and shocks for $300 brand new. Good deal I think. But yeah, good results for me.

gr2's and tokico hp's are both gas shocks and are fine for use with lowering springs. They sell them in packages along with lowering springs so obviously they are able to handle a lower spring. I have the tokico hp's not because i'm poor but because I do not need a 5 way adjustable shock.

gr2's and tokico hp's are both gas shocks and are fine for use with lowering springs. They sell them in packages along with lowering springs so obviously they are able to handle a lower spring. I have the tokico hp's not because i'm poor but because I do not need a 5 way adjustable shock.
i don't think i would benefit much from a 5 way shock either... how is the HPs ride? also, drive ability, and ground clearance? i'm doing my suspension as soon as i get out of my parents house (HUGE driveway) and was always thinking illuminas (s/p) but as it gets closer in time, i'm second guessing the adjustable shocks...

When I first got my illuminas in I was playing around with the adjustment on them and it actually made a difference in how stiff the shock was. Now that they are on the car I car adjust them and cant really tell a difference. I would just recommend going with the hp's.

They are quite a bit less in price. I don't regret not getting adjustables at all. The HP's lowered it almost 2" (perfect) and have excellent ride quality. It was fun putting them on and then dropping the jack and not being able to get the jack out from under it haha.

Here are some pics with them on and camber kits on.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd1/paulrockwood/IMG_0434.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd1/paulrockwood/IMG_0322.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd1/paulrockwood/IMG_0443-1.jpg

2" is a big drop! i can barely make it around town now at stock ride hight without hitting the ground... you ever bottom out paul? or scrape?

Yea.. bad at first. Especially up here in wisconsin with terrible roads and I'm living in Duluth right now which is a city on the side of a hill. I scraped up my stock bumper pretty bad but then got in that accident so I got a new one. Haven't scraped YET with that one.

It's all about going slow into parking lots etc. And take an angle at the incline.

I kept making offers on a Tokico HP strut and spring package on EBAY and eventually got them for 301 shipped. If you go with Illuminas you are looking at around 450 or so.... IMO and for my needs having 150 extra dollars to put towards something else made sense..

Do you guys think that it is worth buying megan lowering springs?

The silver GSX is pimpin! Looks good lowered, what camber kit do you have and how much was the cost? I think I can put a camber kit on the front of my car but I dont think I can put one on the rear with out rolling the fenders. Because my rear tires are tucking ...

Thanks man, I got a good ingalls front camber kit and for the back it's just shims you can get cheap on ebay.

That lowering job does look pretty sick. I can't wait to do mine hopefully this summer. I don't like the rims you have too much by them self but they look great on the car.

I have got to get a front camber kit on my car. I only put one on the rear when I lowered it and the inside of my front tires are wearing super fast. I think thats also why I have such bad traction problems.

Hah, join the club. My car eats tires too, but I kind of want to leave the camber there for handle purposes....and also because the crazy ass camber I got just looks sick! I've got 4 degrees in the back and 3 degrees in the front so it eats tires, but I never drive it anyway. I think I'm just going to try some Nitto Neogen tires next time.

Mine was noticable and I figured paying 150 for the camber kit was better than 4 prematurely worn 150 dollar tires

now this is dumb, i've always been a power guy, but in my build i do have suspention plans, and i'm probably going to go with HPs thanks to u paul, as opposed to the illuminas (s/p) what exactly does the camber plates do and why are they needed (i know what camber is! dont explain that) if i get the FWD HP's that have a 1.5" (IIRC) drop, would i need an aftermarket camber setup aswell?

also, paul, i notced you said something about shimms for the rear? could you maybe give me some more info on that?

i feel like a noob... haha

My package also said it was a 1.5" drop but I measured it and it was 1.75" at least at all four corners...

The rear's are nothing special at all, just unbolting the upper condrol arm from the body of the car and add as many spacers (shims) as you need in order to move the top of the tire out towards 0 camber. They give you a lot of the shims when you order a rear kit. I think I only used 4 per side so I have like 6 or 8 left over. It also gives you longer bolts that are necessary due to spacing it out.

The fronts are more difficult. This is the kit I bough for the front.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GENUINE-INGALLS-MITSUBISHI-ECLIPSE-FRONT-CAMBER-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33581QQihZ015QQitem Z250217910777QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

There is instructions for those in that link also. On the fronts you are replacing the anchor bolts with the kit that are adjustable.

I was a little pissed when I realized that I was going to definately have to shell out the money for a good front kit but it is definately worth it in the long run. Better than prematurely wearing out 4 of your expensive tires haha. I went 3 weeks without any camber correction front or rear and could slightly notice more wear on the inside of the tires.

hmm... interesting... and why are they needed? you couldnt just adjust the OEM camber back to 0?? is this something that can be done in the driveway? i HATE putting my baby in the shop.... even if it is just for an alignment!

Yea you can easily do it by yourself I did it with a friend who works at a ford dealership on a saturday and we had it up on the alignment rack and got to work on it all day. I don't know how much the camber can be adjusted without an aftermarket front kit... I remember two of the adjustments were rusted and would not budge for adjusting the toe on my car.

You can put the camber kit on yourself but you will have to take it to a shop to have them align the car.

Yea you can easily do it by yourself I did it with a friend who works at a ford dealership on a saturday and we had it up on the alignment rack and got to work on it all day. I don't know how much the camber can be adjusted without an aftermarket front kit... I remember two of the adjustments were rusted and would not budge for adjusting the toe on my car.

How'd you get the toe dialed in then?

I didn't its slightly off in the front right and rear right, Just barely though nothing that will cause a lot of damage.

You can also buy the heel / toe camber dial thingy from some auto parts shops and online. Stupid little guage is expensive as shit though.

can i do that shim thingy for the back camber of my 1g fwd tsi???

Stupid little guage is expensive as shit though.
havent been paying attention huh? :icon16:

Very nice looking car Rock. So how much did you spend over all on your suspension including shocks, springs, and camber?

Probably near 500 with the alignment plus quite a few hours working on it.

would putting 2" lowering springs on kyb gr2's better than if i put them on stock struts? Will the gr2's last long when it's lowered?

Stock struts are shit from the start. Like said earlier the GR2s aren't designed to run on lowered cars, but VG has had good results so I would say they are fine. Yes the GR2s will last longer than stock.

i hear people talking about the spring's should match up with the struts to, and i'm confused???? how are they supposed to match up??

The springs are rated by how stiff they are and the struts are rated by how strong of a spring they can handle. I think. You should just try and get the numbers close. You dont want a super stiff spring and have a weaker strut that cant slow it down.

ohhh i see alright thanks alot

man things just keep poping out at me.
Okay so, is the higher the spring rate the better or does the spring rate matter?
kyb gr2 i researched and couldn't find any numbers for the (don't know wat it's called)