Burgundy GT (http://www.tu5j4.com/MC_F1GT.html)


LM (http://www.tu5j4.com/MC_F1LM.html)

AMAZING!!!

Those are the first photos I have EVER seen of '58F1GT' and that says a lot as there aren't many McLaren pics that I haven't seen at least once.

Thanks a lot for sharing those - today you are a god. :D

EDIT: Incidentally, since we were on the subject of wheels in another thread, I'd just like to be the first to point out that the wheel on this F1 GT is simply beautiful.

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Oh my :eek:

I've officially decided I need an LM. Those pictures are just spectacular, the more pictures I see fo the F1, the more I fall in love.

Originally posted by Porsche
Oh my :eek:

I've officially decided I need an LM. Those pictures are just spectacular, the more pictures I see fo the F1, the more I fall in love.

Ditto. :D

i was looking through the old threads and i have decided to bump this one back to the top. im going to share these with everyone i know :biggrin:

this is my first look at 58F1GT. not the prettiest F1 in my opinion, but its an F1 nonetheless (meaning that i wouldnt mind owning it :bigthumb:)

i would like to take this oprotunity to request more pics of the F1 GT. only the rarer ones like the owns in the above link. i really dont have that many of it. cone to think of it, i dont think that i have ever seen 54F1GT....:frown:

Unless someone is hoarding photos I've never seen, I can guarantee that there aren't any shots of the GT that you don't already have.

I don't believe I've ever seen photos of 54F1GT either. Some of the regular photos appear to be of a black car, but 56XPGT is similar in color to the dark green of XP5 and that car often looks black as well. Colin Curwood is the photographer on most of the standard F1 GT shots you've seen btw. He also took the photos of the Clinic Model at the quarry location prior to the F1 Launch Party in 1992. His McLaren F1 photo collection would be second to none I would assume.

I have heard that the two customer F1 GTs are in the hands of people who also own a standard F1 road car an LM. Maybe someone here will know more than that. Anyone seen XOTech lately??

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anybody know the where and when of the picture?

I don't know when or where specifically the photos were taken. I can't even find an email address on that site to contact anyone. Surely they must know more on the origin of these shots.

I do know that the two cars are in the collection of a very wealthy Japanese car enthusiast/collector, but I'm not aware of his name. Just look at some of the surrounding cars though - Daytona Spyder, F40, F50 - quite a nice little row of cars there. This almost looks like some kind of museum more than a garage or car show. I've searched and searched for more photos or info on these two cars and this collection but haven't found anything else. :(

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do we have the chassis nr of the LM? for my pics...

I have no knowledge of specific LM chassis numbers unfortunately. :(

It's kind of a bummer, because if we could identify LM1 or LM4 and the photos of it are orange, it would provide proof that the "Driving Ambition" poster is incorrect where it claims that those two cars were finished in 'Black w/graphics'.

See the image of the LM chassis history from that poster below:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=917566

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Originally posted by Peloton25
I don't believe I've ever seen photos of 54F1GT either. Some of the regular photos appear to be of a black car, but 56XPGT is similar in color to the dark green of XP5 and that car often looks black as well.



See photo below. 54F1GT was painted in black with 10% flake according to classicars.com. Only two other F1s were originally finished in this color making it pretty rare. The other pictures that I have seen are of a green GT and the dark burgundy GT (which is 58F1GT). The black GT below is as black as black can get. It's possible that the green GT (from the McLaren shop tour photos) is the prototype 56XPGT and it was painted. Classicars.com lists it as originally in primer so we have no color to start with.



Originally posted by Peloton25
Colin Curwood is the photographer on most of the standard F1 GT shots you've seen btw. His McLaren F1 photo collection would be second to none I would assume.



This would be amazing! I think someone should get a party together and we can all fly to England to see it!



- D. Drew Ingram

Like I said in my previous post - most of the photos of 56XPGT make it appear black, but the car is really green. I can almost guarantee you that the car in that photo is the prototype and not the black customer car. I mean it's obvious what the car would look like in black because of this, but I still don't believe there are any photos circulating of the black GT.

Originally posted by drewwtms
It's possible that the green GT (from the McLaren shop tour photos) is the prototype 56XPGT and it was painted. Classicars.com lists it as originally in primer so we have no color to start with.

The "Driving Ambition" poster and QV500.com list it as "Silverstone Green" however QV500 also identifies the GT photo they have posted as '54F1GT' which would be incorrect, as it is one of Colin Curwood's photos and I know that his shoot was done using '56XPGT'.

My photo collection of F1 GT's barely numbers 30 images total - and a few of those are even duplicates. There's just not a lot out there. I have the name of someone who owns an official F1 GT brochure released by McLaren Cars - I have emailed him before about it. I think I should ask him to sell it to me so I can get some scans from it. ;)

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Here's the Colin Curwood F1 GT photo I would most like to have a framed copy of on my wall:

There are a couple of other not so good photos of the Burgundy F1 GT on that website which don't appear on the main page. Check out http://www.tu5j4.com/%20MCLARENF1/F1GT_03.JPG and http://www.tu5j4.com/%20MCLARENF1/F1GT_04.JPG

I have great news. Now you can all be happy. I know where these two cars are located and who is the owner. I even have more pictures. But I also want some help from you. For example, mini magic could post his pictures of 011 and I also want to see some more pictures. If you want to help me to get some more pictures to my collection, just make post and I write all informations here.
Thanks for reading.
Happy birthday to mini magic. I am three years older, if you want to know.

You know who owns the Burgundy GT and the LM? And you have more photos?

Cool - I wish I had some unique stuff to share with you. Hopefully mini magic will come through for the team.

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i don't need new pix of the gt, i don't like it and the lm i can wait for new pix, my love is the reg. road car. hehe, you won't get the pix out of me that easily ;)

thanks for the b day greeting btw

Way to be a team player mini magic. :lol2:

Well DiabloFan - he's obviously out, so what's it going to take? :confused:

I'd just like to mention, that I really hate this "what will you give me for them" game. Unfortunately, GT photos are almost worth it. ;)

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I WILL POST THEM!!! I HAVE SAID THIS SOOOO MANY TIMES!!!! I JUST NEED THE TIME TO UPLOAD THEM ALL!!!!! You guys are sooo impatient ;)

Sign up for Imagestation, create new album, upload photos, walk away.

30 minutes later - come back, copy album link, post to forum.

See how easy it would be?? :iceslolan

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I have great news. Now you can all be happy. I know where these two cars are located and who is the owner. I even have more pictures. But I also want some help from you. For example, mini magic could post his pictures of 011 and I also want to see some more pictures. If you want to help me to get some more pictures to my collection, just make post and I write all informations here.
Thanks for reading.
Happy birthday to mini magic. I am three years older, if you want to know.
so what exactly did you say you wanted us to do to get the pictures?

who knows?

Ok, I'll bite. Here's an LM pic I took.http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=501/60056f1lm_rf_1_sm.jpg

even though we already have that picture. i would like to personally thank you for bringing a camera and taking a snapshot of the car. :)

i wish someone told me it was hapening, i would have gone...

even though we already have that picture. i would like to personally thank you for bringing a camera and taking a snapshot of the car. :)

I should really finish cleaning up the most amazing picture of that car seen so far. I have been working on it for a while as it wasn't so amazing when I first stumbled upon it. Hopefully you will all be happy with it when I am done.

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Hopefully you will all be happy with it when I am done.

happy? yes. grateful?...uhh...

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even though we already have that picture.

You probably have pictures of the car but this is the first time I have posted my own pictures of it. I would like to see the new pictures that this person has of the GT and the LM in Japan. Hopefully he will like the picture I took enough to post his...

i would like to personally thank you for bringing a camera and taking a snapshot of the car. :)

You're welcome. I wouldn't have missed this opportunity - an LM on the streets of the US.

i wish someone told me it was hapening, i would have gone...

I would let you guys know if an F1 was definately going to be at a car show. TMS was going to this event anyway but it was only a few days before that we decided to bring the LM.

Believe me, the crowd was big enough when the car showed up. If we had announced ahead of time that ANY McLaren was going to be there it would have been a mob scene.

I can tell you that there is even an F1 GT model, but for now I don`t know what company has built it. And I also don`t know the scale of that model. I have one picture and it really looks like picture of model. It has the same colour as chassis 58F1GT.

1/18 and the company is UT, pelton has one. imo, its just one of their longail gtr race cars painted black

Well, you will be surprised, but it`s not. The model I saw is different in this:1. The car is burgundy, not black. 2. It has rear part as on real F1 GT, without rear wing. 3. The car has real F1 GT wheels, not wheels like on 97 F1 GTRs.
Now if you believe me and want to see picture of it and help me find more info about it, just make post.

Are you looking for us to beg? I don't really understand why you are asking. :confused:

Of course we always want to see anything you have to share. In recent weeks, some really spectacular photos and info have been posted by several of the regular members here, so I know that you are certainly benefitting from our participation here. If you don't want to share, that's fine - there's a few things I keep to myself too - but I don't come here and tease the masses with them.

To my knowlege, no other company besides UT has been given a license to build the F1 GT road car in any form. I am aware of several companies that have offered a 1/43rd scale model kit of the long tail GTRs. I have seen at least one of these kits built to look like a GT road car, though it was not burgundy. My guess is that is what you have found, but maybe I'm wrong. If there was something out there manufactured to any significant number, I'm sure it would be highly prized and would have popped up on Ebay at least once in the past few years that I have been monitoring McLaren F1 auctions.

Please share what you have so we can get to the bottom of this. :cool:

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So, here is the picture I found on one japanese page. It looks like that model was featured on in magazine about models.
http://www.neko.co.jp/guest/magazine/modelcars/images/2003_12/photo_01.jpg
I can post link to that site if you want.

Wow that is quite an impressive model - the details look great including those wheels, and what appears to be a finished interior. I'd love to see larger photos of that. Please post the link to the site - although I doubt I'll be able to read anything. :(

I was right in my assumption that someone used a long tail GTR resin kit to create it. You can tell by the large ducts over the rear wheels, which are much smaller on the real F1 GTs. I wonder where he got the wheels though, as I don't believe any of the long tail GTR kits feature wheels like that.

BTW: Are you going to be posting the owners name and any additional photos of this car the real GT & LM that you claimed to have? I know there are quite a few people here who would appreciate it immensely, including myself. :disappoin "Pretty Please!?!?" :iceslolan

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Yes, but I will do it tommorow, it`s too late now here, so I can`t do it now.
Here is link to that page, from where I have picture of that F1 GT model:
http://www.neko.co.jp/guest/magazine/modelcars/
As I read somewhere here, tvrfreak understand japanese a bit, so if he is not busy now, he could try to read and tell us something about that model from this website.

its quite possible its a custom. it would be quite easy to make out of a 97 gtr. i am about to make a 1/18 f50 gt model using just clay and some good 'ol wood ;) . In fact, if a damaged 97 gtr comes up on ebay, someone let me know and i'll try it myself

Sticking to the GT, but not the model. Is there anyone who agrees with me that the car in the GT promotional shots is black and therefore 54F1GT and not the prototype. There's a few points to back up my theory, but i'm not entirely sure how to post the pictures i'll need to back them up. BTW: does my avatar work or is it just an X?

TcarR - I would disagree with that suggestion - but I'm basing it on the text included with Driving Ambition which mentioned clearly that Curwood used the GT prototype for those photos. One other point that would sort of verify that, is these photos were used for the F1 GT brochure and certainly they needed that printed prior to building the two customer F1 GTs later in the year - correct? That's what seals it for me.

P.S.: Your avatar is working for me. :cool:

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Thanks for the link Diablo Fan!! :thumbsup: If I ever see a copy of that magazine, I'll certainly pick one up - in fact, I may go to little Tokyo here in LA and see if I can find it on a newsstand.

I used Altavista's translator on that webpage and this horrible translation is what it gave for the selection of text around that photo.

F1 of public road
After the automobile being born, 100 years or more. The many car was born in the long history, but as expected what strongest load car in history? Of course, there probably is various opinions, but the pillow which appears in 1991 - probably there is no objection in listing ream F1 to the head candidacy. Gordon マーレイ which develops the numerous machine as a F1 designer, regrettably did not look at the know-how of the racing machine /F1 which is cultivated to that and the next was packed, just F1 of the public road. When エンツォ Ferrari debuts, it tried that the automobile magazine of the foreign country the pillow - probably comparison test with ream F1, you will be able to infer about the capability of this super 弩 class machine even from the fact that it can convey the episode that, but with モデナ it refused the cooperation to the collection of data. This month the pillow - with 1/12 scratches model of wonder of ream F1 GT the pillow - we probably will send connected special edition.

So out of all that gibberish, the thing that interests me the most is the "1/12 scratches model" mentioned there towards the end. It leaves me wondering if this model is 1/12th scale. That would be incredibly impressive especially if it was built from scratch as the rest of that text might mean. I could only imagine starting with a PMA 1/12th McLaren if someone was really going to attempt something like this. Starting from scratch and ending up with that would be nearly impossible in my opinion.

I can't wait for you to post the rest of your information on the real cars tomorrow. Beyond the links posted here already, there's really no other info or photos of these two F1s that I'm aware of.

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1/12, man. i'll try 1/18 when one comes up, but 1/12, i may get too fustrated..from scratch, thats amazing if its true

OK, here we go. If the photos don't work tell me and put it right.

Example Numero Uno:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear three quarters outside.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear three quarters in scotland.jpg

Look at the first photo: it looks almost black. Now look at the second; that's black. Look at the first photo again; now it appears green.

Second point:

Look at the first photo; note the park distance sensors to the bottom left of the indicator, to the bottom left and right of the number plate and to the bottom right of the far indicator. Look at the second photo; no sensors.

Example 2:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/looking back from left front 2002.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/interior right.jpg

In the first photo the seat is clearly dark green at the top and the dash is murky sort of dark green. In the second they are both clearly black.

I disagree that they would have to do the photoshoot before the first customer car was built. The first customer probably bought the car as soon as it was announced. Who pass up the oppurtunity to have a car this rare and this good? The brochures were only made to make sure the car was legit for Le Mans.

Well, there you go. It's up for you to decide, but i think it is 54F1GT in the photoshoot, not the prototype.

Your pictures no worky worky... I even tried the 'cut&paste' URL trick.

You might want to try using the Gallery provided here or a site like Imagestation.com

EDIT: Weird - now they work!! :screwy:

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wow. i never noticed those park indicator things. you have a very good point man. btw, you made 2 posts, drop one ;)

everything OK now?

yeha good job man. well, i'm off to bed. don't post anything too important while i'm gone ;)

yeha good job man. well, i'm off to bed. don't post anything too important while i'm gone ;)

I think i'll join you (not in that sense you sick, sick people). I'll read about wether you agree or not tomorrow.

could someone explain to me again the 2nd point of example 1? im not too clear on what he means. i got confused with bottom left to right, left and right :uhoh: ....

I think i'll join you (not in that sense you sick, sick people). I'll read about wether you agree or not tomorrow.

I know how to solve this mystery and it's not with us going back and forth like this. There is an excellent source who would most certainly know the answer to this question. I will enlist his help and hopefully get our answer. I'll let you know either way, but for now I'm siding with the caption on the photos taken from the bible. ;)

Stratoraptor-
He's talking about these little things:

http://a4.cpimg.com/image/E8/F6/25902824-4c65-023C0171-.jpg

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i know about the parking sensors. i guess i just got confused when he said that the first photo didnt have any sensors when he just finished explaining that it did.

BTW: Talk about diluting the true spirit of the McLaren F1 with frivilous driver's aids - "Park Distance Sensors" :screwy: :uhoh: :sly:

I wonder who backed into something and forced them to add those?? :D

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BTW: Talk about diluting the true spirit of the McLaren F1 with frivilous driver's aids - "Park Distance Sensors" :screwy: :uhoh: :sly:

I wonder who backed into something and forced them to add those?? :D

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How's visibility when backing up though? If the car is backed up frequently, and like other exotics where little rearward visibility is offered, it may just be nessecary to have those things.

I'm certain it's not very good in the standard F1, and quite a bit worse in the F1 GT.

I can see its a practical application, still though - park distance sensors?? :banghead: :grinno:

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Ya I suppose, I think of Ford Windstar when I see parking distance sensors. It really just dosen't suit the car.

i also agree. these cars are not going to be driven on the road even on special occasions so parking sensors just seem kind of unnecessary and redundant. could you imagine seeing another Dan Kennedy trying to parallel park his one of three F1 GT on a public street to pickup his two kids from school?

my point is that when a car is as rare as an F1 GT, chances are its not going to be driven hardly ever. McLaren Cars Ltd. driving principals aside...

I'm not convinced by the parking sensors theory because they could have been fitted at any time. However http://www.qv500.com/mclarenf1p4.htm suggests that 54F1GT was infact used for the photoshoot in what looks like Scotland. It's interesting that the prototype had a chassis number greater than the first customer car. Maybe they built both cars at about the same time and used chassis 56 as the test mule. When they were happy with the body shape as fitted to the prototype they fitted the finalized new body parts to the pristine 54F1GT and used that for the photoshoot.

The only reason I can think of for them fitting parking sensors is if a customer requested sensors on standard road car. They would want to test the sensors in advance particularly as at that time parking sensors were new on the market and unproven. Using one of the prototypes for the test makes sense.

Never mind the sensors, just compare the colours. Next to each other one is clearly black and one is clearly dark green. It's the same with the interior. So then, who thinks that we do in fact have photos of 54F1GT? (apart from me)

I try to check what chassis nr. was used for F1 GT brochure. There is big picture of the interior, so maby I will see the number. But I think it`s 56XPGT. This car has on all pictures in that brochure other type of wheels as on 58F1GT. I saw this car with those new wheels only on tvrfreak`s pictures and on two group photos of F1s.
As for that 1/12 scale. In that text they are speaking about F1 development. I own Driving Ambition for one and half week and I have not time to read it `till now, so I am not sure about this, but in time of F1 GT development they probably made one 1/12 scale model to test aerodynamic of it before making first real car.
I want to ask you, if someone from you have any contact on Colin Curwood. In F1 GT brochure he is listed as photographer. And if you want, I can try to take some pictures of that brochure. Sorry, but becouse it is so rare and very valuable I don`t want to open the pages very much to scan it and damage it. I believe that you will understand me.
Peloton, when you will see that magazine for sale, please contact me and tell me it`s price. I am also interested and want to see it.

Colin Curwood is the person I was planning to ask. I do have his contact info, I've just been hesitant to bother him until now. I didn't get a chance to formulate the email last night, but I'll try to send it tonight. Hopefully he'll prove to be a good resource.

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Ask him also about photos of F1 GT. I don`t believe that he will give you some photos for free, but you can still try to get some hi-res pictures of F1 GT from him.
As for info about F1 GT in Japan. I try to get more info from my source. If you can wait `till end of this week, then I will have more info I believe. But if you need that info now, please make post.

I'm not convinced by the censors, the photos are so
washed out by shadows that they may just be in the shadows
on the second photo. and as for the color, that particular
shade of green has been proven time and time again to be
very deseptive. I think that TcarR has presented evedence
but for now I think that it looks to much like a slice of swiss
cheese.

i don't think they are censors. they are definatley something, but not censors. Besides, parking censors tend to be lower. they could be clips to remove the tail quickly

However http://www.qv500.com/mclarenf1p4.htm suggests that 54F1GT was infact used for the photoshoot in what looks like Scotland.

QV500 also has this photo captioned as being XP3 when in fact it's a photo of Carl Beal's F1 taken from the Road&Track magazine article:

http://www.qv500.com/McLaren%20F1%20P1%202.jpg

Back to the color thing though - what color does this look like? Looks black to me.

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02856.JPG

...and this - again, I see black.

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02857.JPG

But what color is it really?? It sure looks green to me. :D

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02858.JPG

I don't mean to restart the debate about the color, just reinforcing my point that this green car usually looks black. ;)

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hehe. i'm going with peloton

Me to.

yes that is the thing with the BRG coloring, it seems to have different shades of that can be so dark that it looks black. the XP5 also has the same problem and in this picture, it actually looks BLUE!!...

http://www.centralcoastweb.com/nsxb/media/pics/mclaren/img068.JPG

...it just all has to do with the camera, lighting, and picture development i guess. one other thing i have noticed is that when a picture is taken from an from a low angle of declination to the surface of 56XPGT, the color seems black, but when the taken at an angle so that the camera aims agains a relatively perpindicular angle and at a close distance, the green really shows.

my conclusion is that its 56XPGT in all the pictures.

by the way, does anyone know what "Black/10% Flake" looks like anyway?

it looks black. no noticible difference

by the way, does anyone know what "Black/10% Flake" looks like anyway?

Yeah, it looks like the pics of the GT in scotland :iceslolan . Since you alll seem to think the exterior colour is a bit trick and the green can look black, try the interior. Look at the pics again. One has dark green inserts, the other black.

I suppose only Colin Curwood can solve this one. I do kinda hope that the promotion car was the prototype, because it wouldn't be very good to find out that we did have 54F1GT pictures after all. I prefer the mystery. However i still think that on close shots of the exterior one obviously becomes green and one remains black. Compare the door surround of the scotland car with the close up of the prototype's front to see what i mean.

Have you sent that e-mail to CC yet Peloton?

do it urself, www.colincurwood.com

i was going to but peloton said he was sending one, and i didn't think CC would appreciate too much mail from car geeks.

yeah i know, i was thinking the same

The email is composed, but hasn't been sent yet. I don't have access to my personal email at work due to corporate firewall restrictions (more evidence of 'the man' keeping me down. ;) :lol: ), and I didn't want to send from with my work address.

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you mean you go on an internet forum when you have work to do?

get back to work, Mr. Ivegottajob!

haha. i got in trouble for going on sc.net today in computer apps. she was in a bad mood. i do it every day and she doesn't care. :)

nice pics and i really love that Mclaren F1 GT. :iceslolan

OK, here we go. If the photos don't work tell me and put it right.

Example Numero Uno:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear three quarters outside.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear three quarters in scotland.jpg

Look at the first photo: it looks almost black. Now look at the second; that's black. Look at the first photo again; now it appears green.

Second point:

Look at the first photo; note the park distance sensors to the bottom left of the indicator, to the bottom left and right of the number plate and to the bottom right of the far indicator. Look at the second photo; no sensors.

Example 2:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/looking back from left front 2002.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/interior right.jpg

In the first photo the seat is clearly dark green at the top and the dash is murky sort of dark green. In the second they are both clearly black.

I disagree that they would have to do the photoshoot before the first customer car was built. The first customer probably bought the car as soon as it was announced. Who pass up the oppurtunity to have a car this rare and this good? The brochures were only made to make sure the car was legit for Le Mans.

Well, there you go. It's up for you to decide, but i think it is 54F1GT in the photoshoot, not the prototype.the reason why is because some certain F1 GT's have those reverse sensors and those are pretty much useless.

the reason why is because some certain F1 GT's have those reverse sensors and those are pretty much useless.

how many F1 GT have them and which ones would those be? :biggrin:

Id say all three?
Well they were all made reasonably close together, I can't see why a change like that would only occur in 56XPGT. Has a Gt ever formally bin for sale?

uh oh. looks like we got another long quote'r :) . Guyanson_Mendiola, could u edit your post?

As used on the 54F1GT and 007 (and 015):


54F1GT(?) (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear%20three%20quarters%20in%20scotland.jpg)

and

007 (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/McLaren/mf1_rear.jpg)

The two cars are in my opinion one - the prototype. Check out the photo from the photoshoot after some filtering. Maybe I'm seeing things but I'm sure I can make out two of the rear parking sensors on that car.

http://www.myriagon.plus.com/rearfiltered.jpg

I wonder if all the GT's had them?

Thanks for the effort, but I think those are just random marks in the photo as the sensors were located in the screened cutouts below the plate. Take a closer look:

http://a4.cpimg.com/image/E8/F6/25902824-4c65-023C0171-.jpg

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I think we should leave it to CC to resolve. What exactly did you ask him peloton?

i think you are seeing things. I have the original pic on my lap and i guarentee you there are no sensor things on it.

haha, you deleted the post. didn't want to embarass yourself? hehe

I have one interesting thing for you which can bring some light to this problem. In F1 GT brochure you can find one big picture of interior. It has light colour, same as on tvrfreak`s photos. But on all other pictures in this brochure the interior colour is red. Really interesting. Maby they changed the interior colour and maby also exterior colour. I still believe, that it is 56XPGT on all pictures in F1 GT brochure. ClassicCars listed this car as first F1 build in 1997 and 54F1GT together with 58F1GT are listed before end of 1997. So I believe that all these shots were made with 56XPGT. But I must tell you that on all pictures in F1 GT brochure colour of this car looks to be black. On Tim Cottingham photos it also looks to be black and those pictures are showing 56XPGT.

So, here is the picture I found on one japanese page. It looks like that model was featured on in magazine about models.
http://www.neko.co.jp/guest/magazine/modelcars/images/2003_12/photo_01.jpg
I can post link to that site if you want.

Here's a few more photos of this thing - apparently the scale is 1/12th per the post I found these photos in.

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06a.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06b.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06c.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06d.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698388-427%20Z06a.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698388-427%20Z06b.jpg

Pretty incredible details. I'm really impressed by it. I just wish we could read more about it in English.

BTW: Diablo Fan - do you still have more info to share about the real GT and LM at the start of this thread?? Inquiring minds want to know... :D

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ER

Two more sections of the original scans:

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1699047-Peloton25a.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1699047-Peloton25b.jpg

The detail is amazing. I'd love to hear how this thing was really built.

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ER

I have several copies of the Model Cars magazine available if anyone is interested. It is No.91 2003-12 edition and is sold out everywhere.

can you confirm it is 1/12 scale?

Found more pics of both of them: http://www5.justnet.ne.jp/~h2room/zaz-2000.htm

awesome man, good work

I'm getting closer to figuring out who these cars actually belong to. I have some ideas, but I'm just not there yet.

Thanks for the new, although horrible, pictures. Unfortunately it seems these were taken several years ago by the date on that site. That was the same with the initial site as well. I wonder if this museum is no longer open hence why all the photos are old?? :(

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Matsuda? I know he has a yellow F50 with a burgundy (IIRC) interior. Where did the F50 pix on that site go?

Definitely not Matsuda. I'd rather not speculate without more information though.

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ER

ok...

For the arguement on "is it 56XPGT or 54F1GT", I just noticed something. Look at the pics on the GT photoshoot, preferably the one with the GT in front of the lake. The wheels appear to be 5 spoke flat ones with bolts along the outer edge. On the photo with all 6 McLaren's in one, or the pics that chernobyl posted a while ago from "super cars", the wheels are very different. They're thinner, they poke out more, and there are no bolts along the inside. Did they change the wheels or do we have pictures of 54F1GT? The license plates also don't match up, but those could be changed very quickly.

yeah, i've noticed that too. i assume they just changed the wheels

I can post info about owner of these cars, but I will need some help from you. I am planing to do very good website about McLaren F1 and I will need more pictures and info. If you can help me, we will be able to share all informations about these great cars with everybody on my website. I will post more info about my plans later. Thanks for help for now.

i'm not helping, i don't care enough to give in to bribery

Hello,

I have exclusive pics of #073 and maybe others stuffs like test F50/McLaren F1 which was real and made in Japan :)
I wait for your informations thanks

Ciao
Phil

i'm not helping, i don't care enough to give in to bribery

It's called 'extortion' in the context he's referring to. I do find it odd that is your stance considering how you've been in the past though. :p

DiabloFan - We've been through this before - I believe even in this very thread. I don't think anyone is really hording any great collection of stuff that hasn't already been posted here (except mini magic of course :iceslolan )

I know that when I come across a great McLaren F1 find I always post it here. If you have the information that you claim to and don't want to share it, then that's fine. If you do choose to share it, then we will all appreciate it. To come here and tease us with the info is not something I appreciate. Unfortunately, I don't have anything exclusive to offer you at this point, but even if I did, I'm not certain I would given your approach.

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ER