i don't think they are censors. they are definatley something, but not censors. Besides, parking censors tend to be lower. they could be clips to remove the tail quickly

However http://www.qv500.com/mclarenf1p4.htm suggests that 54F1GT was infact used for the photoshoot in what looks like Scotland.

QV500 also has this photo captioned as being XP3 when in fact it's a photo of Carl Beal's F1 taken from the Road&Track magazine article:

http://www.qv500.com/McLaren%20F1%20P1%202.jpg

Back to the color thing though - what color does this look like? Looks black to me.

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02856.JPG

...and this - again, I see black.

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02857.JPG

But what color is it really?? It sure looks green to me. :D

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02858.JPG

I don't mean to restart the debate about the color, just reinforcing my point that this green car usually looks black. ;)

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hehe. i'm going with peloton

Me to.

yes that is the thing with the BRG coloring, it seems to have different shades of that can be so dark that it looks black. the XP5 also has the same problem and in this picture, it actually looks BLUE!!...

http://www.centralcoastweb.com/nsxb/media/pics/mclaren/img068.JPG

...it just all has to do with the camera, lighting, and picture development i guess. one other thing i have noticed is that when a picture is taken from an from a low angle of declination to the surface of 56XPGT, the color seems black, but when the taken at an angle so that the camera aims agains a relatively perpindicular angle and at a close distance, the green really shows.

my conclusion is that its 56XPGT in all the pictures.

by the way, does anyone know what "Black/10% Flake" looks like anyway?

it looks black. no noticible difference

by the way, does anyone know what "Black/10% Flake" looks like anyway?

Yeah, it looks like the pics of the GT in scotland :iceslolan . Since you alll seem to think the exterior colour is a bit trick and the green can look black, try the interior. Look at the pics again. One has dark green inserts, the other black.

I suppose only Colin Curwood can solve this one. I do kinda hope that the promotion car was the prototype, because it wouldn't be very good to find out that we did have 54F1GT pictures after all. I prefer the mystery. However i still think that on close shots of the exterior one obviously becomes green and one remains black. Compare the door surround of the scotland car with the close up of the prototype's front to see what i mean.

Have you sent that e-mail to CC yet Peloton?

do it urself, www.colincurwood.com

i was going to but peloton said he was sending one, and i didn't think CC would appreciate too much mail from car geeks.

yeah i know, i was thinking the same

The email is composed, but hasn't been sent yet. I don't have access to my personal email at work due to corporate firewall restrictions (more evidence of 'the man' keeping me down. ;) :lol: ), and I didn't want to send from with my work address.

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you mean you go on an internet forum when you have work to do?

get back to work, Mr. Ivegottajob!

haha. i got in trouble for going on sc.net today in computer apps. she was in a bad mood. i do it every day and she doesn't care. :)

nice pics and i really love that Mclaren F1 GT. :iceslolan

OK, here we go. If the photos don't work tell me and put it right.

Example Numero Uno:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear three quarters outside.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear three quarters in scotland.jpg

Look at the first photo: it looks almost black. Now look at the second; that's black. Look at the first photo again; now it appears green.

Second point:

Look at the first photo; note the park distance sensors to the bottom left of the indicator, to the bottom left and right of the number plate and to the bottom right of the far indicator. Look at the second photo; no sensors.

Example 2:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/looking back from left front 2002.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/interior right.jpg

In the first photo the seat is clearly dark green at the top and the dash is murky sort of dark green. In the second they are both clearly black.

I disagree that they would have to do the photoshoot before the first customer car was built. The first customer probably bought the car as soon as it was announced. Who pass up the oppurtunity to have a car this rare and this good? The brochures were only made to make sure the car was legit for Le Mans.

Well, there you go. It's up for you to decide, but i think it is 54F1GT in the photoshoot, not the prototype.the reason why is because some certain F1 GT's have those reverse sensors and those are pretty much useless.

the reason why is because some certain F1 GT's have those reverse sensors and those are pretty much useless.

how many F1 GT have them and which ones would those be? :biggrin:

Id say all three?
Well they were all made reasonably close together, I can't see why a change like that would only occur in 56XPGT. Has a Gt ever formally bin for sale?

uh oh. looks like we got another long quote'r :) . Guyanson_Mendiola, could u edit your post?

As used on the 54F1GT and 007 (and 015):


54F1GT(?) (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keir.johnston/keir.johnston/rear%20three%20quarters%20in%20scotland.jpg)

and

007 (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/McLaren/mf1_rear.jpg)

The two cars are in my opinion one - the prototype. Check out the photo from the photoshoot after some filtering. Maybe I'm seeing things but I'm sure I can make out two of the rear parking sensors on that car.

http://www.myriagon.plus.com/rearfiltered.jpg

I wonder if all the GT's had them?

Thanks for the effort, but I think those are just random marks in the photo as the sensors were located in the screened cutouts below the plate. Take a closer look:

http://a4.cpimg.com/image/E8/F6/25902824-4c65-023C0171-.jpg

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I think we should leave it to CC to resolve. What exactly did you ask him peloton?

i think you are seeing things. I have the original pic on my lap and i guarentee you there are no sensor things on it.

haha, you deleted the post. didn't want to embarass yourself? hehe

I have one interesting thing for you which can bring some light to this problem. In F1 GT brochure you can find one big picture of interior. It has light colour, same as on tvrfreak`s photos. But on all other pictures in this brochure the interior colour is red. Really interesting. Maby they changed the interior colour and maby also exterior colour. I still believe, that it is 56XPGT on all pictures in F1 GT brochure. ClassicCars listed this car as first F1 build in 1997 and 54F1GT together with 58F1GT are listed before end of 1997. So I believe that all these shots were made with 56XPGT. But I must tell you that on all pictures in F1 GT brochure colour of this car looks to be black. On Tim Cottingham photos it also looks to be black and those pictures are showing 56XPGT.

So, here is the picture I found on one japanese page. It looks like that model was featured on in magazine about models.
http://www.neko.co.jp/guest/magazine/modelcars/images/2003_12/photo_01.jpg
I can post link to that site if you want.

Here's a few more photos of this thing - apparently the scale is 1/12th per the post I found these photos in.

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06a.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06b.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06c.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698386-427%20Z06d.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698388-427%20Z06a.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1698388-427%20Z06b.jpg

Pretty incredible details. I'm really impressed by it. I just wish we could read more about it in English.

BTW: Diablo Fan - do you still have more info to share about the real GT and LM at the start of this thread?? Inquiring minds want to know... :D

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Two more sections of the original scans:

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1699047-Peloton25a.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-17/1699047-Peloton25b.jpg

The detail is amazing. I'd love to hear how this thing was really built.

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I have several copies of the Model Cars magazine available if anyone is interested. It is No.91 2003-12 edition and is sold out everywhere.

can you confirm it is 1/12 scale?

Found more pics of both of them: http://www5.justnet.ne.jp/~h2room/zaz-2000.htm

awesome man, good work

I'm getting closer to figuring out who these cars actually belong to. I have some ideas, but I'm just not there yet.

Thanks for the new, although horrible, pictures. Unfortunately it seems these were taken several years ago by the date on that site. That was the same with the initial site as well. I wonder if this museum is no longer open hence why all the photos are old?? :(

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Matsuda? I know he has a yellow F50 with a burgundy (IIRC) interior. Where did the F50 pix on that site go?

Definitely not Matsuda. I'd rather not speculate without more information though.

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ok...

For the arguement on "is it 56XPGT or 54F1GT", I just noticed something. Look at the pics on the GT photoshoot, preferably the one with the GT in front of the lake. The wheels appear to be 5 spoke flat ones with bolts along the outer edge. On the photo with all 6 McLaren's in one, or the pics that chernobyl posted a while ago from "super cars", the wheels are very different. They're thinner, they poke out more, and there are no bolts along the inside. Did they change the wheels or do we have pictures of 54F1GT? The license plates also don't match up, but those could be changed very quickly.

yeah, i've noticed that too. i assume they just changed the wheels

I can post info about owner of these cars, but I will need some help from you. I am planing to do very good website about McLaren F1 and I will need more pictures and info. If you can help me, we will be able to share all informations about these great cars with everybody on my website. I will post more info about my plans later. Thanks for help for now.

i'm not helping, i don't care enough to give in to bribery

Hello,

I have exclusive pics of #073 and maybe others stuffs like test F50/McLaren F1 which was real and made in Japan :)
I wait for your informations thanks

Ciao
Phil

i'm not helping, i don't care enough to give in to bribery

It's called 'extortion' in the context he's referring to. I do find it odd that is your stance considering how you've been in the past though. :p

DiabloFan - We've been through this before - I believe even in this very thread. I don't think anyone is really hording any great collection of stuff that hasn't already been posted here (except mini magic of course :iceslolan )

I know that when I come across a great McLaren F1 find I always post it here. If you have the information that you claim to and don't want to share it, then that's fine. If you do choose to share it, then we will all appreciate it. To come here and tease us with the info is not something I appreciate. Unfortunately, I don't have anything exclusive to offer you at this point, but even if I did, I'm not certain I would given your approach.

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