Pros and cons of dodge


Mr_Meanor
02-20-2003, 12:25 PM
I am looking into buying a used truck. I have for the most part been a Chevy person but am thinking abouy getting a dogde. I was just wondering if you might be able to tell me some pros and cons for the dodge truck over the ford and chevy? Anything will help!

redimpss5
04-18-2003, 10:26 PM
the interior is pretty cheap plastic and when you take it in for service, it cost a few bucks. if you need a four door, stick with chevy or ford. all three tow well. just depends what you are looking for

PWMAN
04-22-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Mr_Meanor
I am looking into buying a used truck. I have for the most part been a Chevy person but am thinking abouy getting a dogde. I was just wondering if you might be able to tell me some pros and cons for the dodge truck over the ford and chevy? Anything will help!

You didn't mention what you are going to use it for? Towing? Or just a daily driver. If you want heavy duty, dodge is the way to go. also depends on what years you are interested in getting, just a year or two old or a few years?

IntakeMan
04-27-2003, 06:12 PM
Dodge is defenitely a good heavy duty truck, It will do anything you want it to. The only problem is in the past, chrysler has had a few problems with their transmissions in trucks, mostly around the 96-99 model years. However, I believe that has been taken care of, and the new rams rock, especially hemi.

2Fuzy
07-18-2003, 09:56 AM
depends what you want it for I have a 99 2500 4x4 that I bought new problems to date it has 134k on it are one of the moters in the power seat quit working and I broke the center out of the clutch .
the clutch proplem would probally not happen to most people as I used the sh** out of my truck (tows my backhoe gross combined wight truck trailer hoe is 34k) but over all I like it a lot but I am a little biased on the mopar side but my dad was a chevy guy until he bought a cummins dodge he now wouldn't buy anything else his 1st cummins he put 425k on never did anything to it but change the oil these have all been 5spd but to my understanding the automatics have proplems when used hard

Dimark
11-10-2003, 11:02 PM
Don't know if you're still looking but I've had tranny problems with the last two Dodges that I have purchased brand new. The first,an 89 Dakota at 78k(out of warranty)cost me $2300.00 for a hard parts rebuild. The second, a 99 Ram 1500. Out at 73k, dealer rebuilt it for me. Then, problems again at about 80k (out of warranty). At 120k, I'm looking at about $2200 for a rebuilt installed by Dodge. Probably won't risk another Dodge.

Alex435
11-12-2003, 06:23 PM
and another thing with older dodges I find that with '88. the parts are really hard to come by cause they changed the style in 87 88 so you gotta make sure you get the right part.

Notorious_Ford_Guy
11-17-2003, 08:57 PM
start saving money for drive-train parts if you gonna buy a dodge

PWMAN
11-18-2003, 08:10 AM
start saving money for drive-train parts if you gonna buy a dodge
Only if you buy an auto trans.

pkupmanvt
11-29-2003, 07:24 AM
dodge changed their automatics in 98. the only problem my 98 5.9 has had with the tranny stemmed from abuse. (J strips)

gstep
12-23-2003, 08:22 AM
95 ram 1500--pretty truck--trans out 28k--lost use of vehicle 2 wks--fac warr! 40k--diff brgs out--no warr! 59k--ecm out--no warr! 63k--(current)--abs out! trying to find a diagnostic flow chart to repair code 10! on the other hand my 92 gmc--160k--doing just fine! :screwy:

PWMAN
12-23-2003, 06:01 PM
95 ram 1500--pretty truck--trans out 28k--lost use of vehicle 2 wks--fac warr! 40k--diff brgs out--no warr! 59k--ecm out--no warr! 63k--(current)--abs out! trying to find a diagnostic flow chart to repair code 10! on the other hand my 92 gmc--160k--doing just fine! :screwy:

What did you use the truck for? Towing or working it at all?
Plus 94-95 was the first years of the new body style, there was a lot of Lemons those years for all makes(chevy and ford too) because they were kinda experimenting with new ideas.

gstep
12-26-2003, 03:41 PM
What did you use the truck for? Towing or working it at all?
Plus 94-95 was the first years of the new body style, there was a lot of Lemons those years for all makes(chevy and ford too) because they were kinda experimenting with new ideas.

It was used by the wife, drop kids off, grocery store, to and from work(4 mi a day), never had a load, towd a 14 foot john boat twice a year.
It's a 95 with 63k on it--make an offer!

Merlin02131
01-03-2004, 01:36 PM
Bought my 2001 in april of 2003 . 26 k miles on it . heard horror stories , but having some vibration in the rear . I understand its a 2 speed but that all i know . Been rebuilt and going back in this week . I'll let you know

pimp_squeak
01-03-2004, 03:20 PM
It's a 95 with 63k on it--make an offer! $20

PWMAN
01-03-2004, 06:22 PM
Bought my 2001 in april of 2003 . 26 k miles on it . heard horror stories , but having some vibration in the rear . I understand its a 2 speed but that all i know . Been rebuilt and going back in this week . I'll let you know

The only thing 2 speed about your truck is if it was 4WD the transfer case has 2 speeds. Hi and low.

Merlin02131
01-03-2004, 06:47 PM
Hey PWMAN

Thanks for the reply as i am learning as I go here .
I was told that the rear end had 2 speeds . I know that its a positve traction rear end . Do you know if that is true ? They supposed ly tore the rear end apart , and put it back to gether . I knew they did the seals but they mentioned that it was 2 speed and that these have been known to cause an issue . After they did that , it was fine for about 2 to 3 months .

PWMAN
01-03-2004, 06:58 PM
Hey PWMAN

Thanks for the reply as i am learning as I go here .
I was told that the rear end had 2 speeds . I know that its a positve traction rear end . Do you know if that is true ? They supposed ly tore the rear end apart , and put it back to gether . I knew they did the seals but they mentioned that it was 2 speed and that these have been known to cause an issue . After they did that , it was fine for about 2 to 3 months .

Is your truck 4WD?

It is impossible to have a 2 speed rear end. Yes your truck probably has a limited slip differential. It's very common in newer trucks.
Who did this work? Because if they specifically told you that you have a 2 speed rear they are retarded.

I work for a construction business. We have a dump truck, it has a 2 speed rear. Thats just a slang name kinda. It really means 2 speed axle. There is a step-down box on the front of the driveshaft, and I have a button on the shifter in the truck. It's a shift-on-the-fly deal, meaning I don't have to be stopped to change it. It simply has a high and low gearing in it. That is what a 2 speed ''rear'' is, it doesn't come any any kind of pickup truck.

Merlin02131
01-03-2004, 07:15 PM
Hi PWMAN

Thanks for that info . Mine is a 2 wheel drive 318 with fuel injection . I questioned them and thats what they said . Won't be the first time they lied . Thats why i joined this site . Appreciate the help . I am familiar with the 2 speed axles . I am bringing it to a Jeep dealership ( chrysler family ) as I have a friend in work that knows these folks . At about 65 I get vibration . I shut the cruise off and it is still there but not as bad . seems that when there is force constant on the drive train , I get the vibration .

PWMAN
01-03-2004, 07:24 PM
2wd! Nothing about your truck whatsoever is two speed!

A good idea is to get a tachometer. At 65, see what RPM you are doing. Then, get off the highway, and manually shift the tranny in first and leave it there. Drive until you reach that same RPM in first gear constantly and see if it rumbles. Do the same thing in second gear too. If it rumbles in any gear it's either engine or tranny. If it's strictly at 65 then it's in you differential or driveshaft. In fact, this really sounds like your driveshaft is out of round. To see if it is, take it off and put it on a flat surface. Roll it gently and see if it is a smooth roll or it hobbles up and down as you roll it.

Merlin02131
01-03-2004, 07:43 PM
HI

Never thought of that . You may be right . I have a tach , and low speed I can feel a little vibration . At approx . 1800 it shifts down at low speed and at 45 it goes to about 18 to 2200 before it shifts down to about 1100 . Generally when you are cruising around 40 MPH and let go of the gas .

sasquatch2550
01-03-2004, 08:03 PM
IF you like a dealer telling you your main engine bearings just go at 70k in the 350 chevy engine in a 4x4k1500 and there nothing you can do but replace the engine or look at all these other nice trucks we have here on our lot for you to buy, after we give you 2 grand for your truck you bought for 15000, then go ahead and buy a chevy. Or if you would rather have a dealer/ service manager go to bat for you and help find a solution to any problems that may not be covered by your warranty, go dodge. Chevy Service = Screw You Consumer, you bought it, now its your problem!

Kelly Chevrolet in phoenixville PA The worst service department and owners in the world!!!

Dambrosio Dodge in Elverson pa A+ operation.

PWMAN
01-03-2004, 08:09 PM
HI

Never thought of that . You may be right . I have a tach , and low speed I can feel a little vibration . At approx . 1800 it shifts down at low speed and at 45 it goes to about 18 to 2200 before it shifts down to about 1100 . Generally when you are cruising around 40 MPH and let go of the gas .

Yeah get your driveshaft checked out.

Another thought-Since your diff has been out those morons probably didn't replace your carrier bearings. They will need replaced. How many miles do you have on your truck?

Merlin02131
01-03-2004, 08:12 PM
Just around 42 K . The carrier bearings ?

I really appreciate all of your help ! Thanks !

merlin02131 on aol

GLASSMAN962
03-12-2004, 01:42 PM
I Have Worked For A Utility Co For 20 Years. We Have Changed Trucks Alot .used Chevy Fords And Dodges.light Duty And Heavy Duty From 12 Ton To 1 Ton.and I'm Here To Tell You Buy What Ever You Like The Most Cause We Have Had All 3 Last A Long Time On The Other Hand We Have Had All 3 Be A Big Piece Of S___,so Go For What Ever You Please.all Brands Have Good And Bad Luck.i Drive A 2001 1500 Quad Cab Dodge And A 2003 Heavy Duty Quad Cab Hemi Have Had Problems Nothing Major Warranty Covered All Cost.for Me Nothing Looks Better Than A Dodge Wheather On The Side Of The Road Or Flying Down The Road.long Live Mopar

GreenlandMopar
03-12-2004, 02:54 PM
You know i am really tired of all the people that do nothing but talk shit on the dodge truck trannys. Every auto maker has there own individual problems and for a few years dodges problem was there trannys. This problem was mostly cause by improper fluid being put into them. Because of this little problem everyong sas that all dodge trucks are shit and its totally not true.

GLASSMAN962
03-12-2004, 04:16 PM
Greenlandmopar,you Go, I Totally Agree.in My Last Reply I Made An Error.i Drivea 2002 ,that I Purchased In 2001 Along With The 2003 H.d Hemi.mopae A Head By A Hemi Sphere

Merlin02131
03-13-2004, 10:45 AM
Hey

Thanks for the replies ! I have to agree about the Dodge bashing . I love my truck and really want to resovle these issues .

The last stop at the dealer did this :

They removed the driveshaft and claim they rotated it 180 degrees , then re-installed it . It seemed to have worked for a while but is coming back slowly now .

Also , I stopped using the cruise control and it seems that the vibration is Definately not as bad . That has been about 5 - 6 months . The last time they rotated the drive shaft , it was a little over a month that the problem came back .

2 months ago , It was Super cold up here ( below zero ) , My trans shut down overdrive ( bulletin on this ) due to the lack of fluid when it gets that cold . Blew my mind but this truck does NOT like cold weather . I also am bringing the truck back as a new thng , everytime I use the cruise control , it smells like its burning . I looked but can't find a darned thing ( electrical smell in the cab ) .

Thanks

Rich

BleedDodge
03-13-2004, 06:17 PM
I've had my 1997 Ram since it was new, and everything is just as it should be, the only complaint that I have about it is the gas mileage. It's horrible. I have the 3.9 V6 with a 5 speed, and my grandfather has a 318 automatic, and the gas mileage is about the same between the two engines. I should have just bought the V8 for the amount of gas I buy. I would have taken advantage of the power I would recieve for the same amount of gas. Hindsight is always 20/20. Consider this:

Grandfather's truck: 318 Auto. 60 mph=1750 rpm in overdrive.

My truck: 3.9 5 speed. 60 mph=1750 rpm in 5th gear.

I've compared gas mileage calculations with him and they're about the same.

indyram
03-15-2004, 02:10 AM
this is for gstep. i have a '96 and a haynes repair manual it only lists codes from 11 and up. so i would double check the code number and if it is still 10 call a dealer and ask.

sak1
05-08-2004, 03:46 PM
Well, I couldn't say anything about the light duty trucks, but I've had 2 V-10's. 94, and 97, best trucks I've ever owned. Still driving the 97 with 179k miles. Only repair has been a couple of ball joints wore out. I haul a camper and tow boats. Towing about 120 days a year.

DeCon
05-09-2004, 11:04 PM
I don't think I would do the Dodge thing. Every auto maker makes some junk. I got one of the junk ones. Dodge has poor customer service and over all poor quality.
This is coming from someone that has a 69 dodge charger, 2004 Chrysler T&C LXI, and a 2000 2500 4x4 Ram. I still like mopar notice the DeCon (rat killer), but I have a lot of problems with my truck. My next truck will be a Ford or a I hate to say it Chevy.

slantsixness
05-10-2004, 10:58 AM
If you take care of any dodge, it'll take care of you.
I've had many, and still will buy Mopars, even the new ones.
The quality control issues with the transmissions, motors, electrical systems are really no suprise. GM and Ford have just as much trouble, and an equal amount of lawsuits, safety issues, hidden recalls, out of court settlements, etc... I truly believe that Diamler-Chrysler (before and afterDaimler) has been getting a bad rap unfairly over many years, when the other two of the big three have been lying and baffling us with promises they don't keep either. Anybody remember the GM 700R4 problems? Or Fords '95 3.8L motors...or '84 Escort motors? How about the Taurus/windstar transmissions (AXOD= "Axle Of Death" (now they add an E on the end and that makes it what...better?)? The Bronco II rollover scandal?(this was pre-Exploder/Firestone...) GM's Tech4 motor? GM's 2.8/3.1/3.5/3.8 V6's (with or without the spun main bearings...)? GM's disposable Cavalier 2.0L?
You know this could go on forever. I'll even admit that the 41TE/604 trans is a pile 'o sh!t, and there are many more problems, but every manufacturer out there has problems, not just the big three, either.
We have all been programmed to think that one brand is better than the other, that japanese cars last forever (NOT true...) and your warranty will last forever, too.

Wake up people!
Maintain your trucks and cars well. Listen when they tell you to use specific transmission fluid. Listen when the tell you the grade of the oil. Change your fluids and maintenance items regularly, and even the worst lemons will make you happy. (ok... '80s GM diesel cars are an exception here...)

I had a '97 dodge 2500 Laramie(who the hell is he, anyway...!) SLT, that I thought would last forever. I sold it, when I realized that I couldn't afford to keep dumping money in it. I still liked it though... I was fortunate, and I had kept my '86 D100 in the meantime. Now I drive the '86 every day. It's got over 400K miles witout the motor or trans evr being rebuilt. So there.

One things for sure:
If you Like the look and feel of a Mopar, you will always like it, no matter what faults (which, I may add, are ALWAYS repairable) it has.

Personally, I find Ford's trucks to be the worst at handling and have always had a "vague" handling feel when you drive them. GM's trucks always have had a "small" feel to their interiors. So the last choice (my first choice) is a Dodge, with nice, predictable and firm handling, a spacious interior, and enough balls to get the job done.
Don't bother with the T100 Toy'o'let, either... that's a full size truck? My ass...

Buy a Dodge, because I think other Trucks suck.

Slantsixness

BleedDodge
05-10-2004, 08:05 PM
I hear that!

moparboy99
06-12-2004, 10:58 PM
you know I have to say something. I've worked on alot of trucks. I have to say ford has got to be the worst truck to work on. My dodge isn't no walk in the park but it isn't so supidly designed truck in the world. it will out pull my budys chevy truck. it will carry more, I've had it loaded to about 13,000 lbs and still pulling away from has truck. never had a porable whit anything on the truck at all drives great. now chevy maks a good truck but the cabs are cramped and the truck are so heavy and I have replaced trannys in them to so no matter what you buy it is all about the way you use it and how much you abuse it. thay are all about the same anymore and they all need to have something down to it sooner or latter.

Spadez
06-13-2004, 05:14 PM
Just an opinion from mee!! I dont dabble much with the gas end of things.. As a Heavy Duty mech, I dont think theres any gas engine since the old school carbe'd GM 350, Ford 302, or the Dodge 318, 360, line of motors that deserve any sort of tried tested and true respect. However my experience deals with the one ton diesel department. (which in my opinion is the only realm of real trucks nowadays) As far as I'm concerned, anything that says 1500 or 150 on the side is as useless as the next. All crap designed to jump over curbs at the golf course, help your buddy move his couch, and have a tailgate party. So for those who say get what you want out of the big three....I agree wholeheartedly.
However.....some insight into the big players... First and formost I am a diehard ford fan and always will be. If you want a real workhorse and your not afraid of a sore back, lousy gas mileage, and having to stay awake and attentative just to steer the thing....Fords will put up with a suprising amount of abuse for those who need the job done. They will however have little problems all the time along the way. Nothing detremental until she's ready to die. Which seems to be a long time to come. Note (worst diesel motor for repairs and performance mods, extremely expensive, horrible fuel milage, however lasts forever if taken care of and makes the best stock power over the long run) Buy it, use it, like it, throw it away!
Dodge......Best diesel engine on the market for durability, power mods, fuel mileage generally all around the best in it's class. Problems with the Bosch rotary fuel pump at a respectively low milage, ends up bieng a $2000 dollar kick in the nuts, but I think its worth it cause by comparison, You can replace all six Injectors with perf. inj. for the price of ONE Ford injector. (theres 8 in a ford) Do the math!!
Interior...Better than Ford and GM....no stupid hump on the passenger side for exhaust down pipe like Ford. More astheticlly pleasing than the GM. Front end.....ABSOLUTE SHIT!! The only heavy duty truck you can buy with coil springs in the front end....build a service truck or an ambulance outta one and prepare to change ball joints on a regular basis for the rest of it's sad and sorry life. Huge weak spot on the dodge. No other problems to list other than that. ( incidently, the automatic trans is actually less problematic in the dodge than both ford and GM combined.)
GM....Shouldn't even bother building trucks for money.... Cast iron block with aluminum heads on a diesel.. Coupled together with GM's patented 'LIVING HEAD GASKET' ya guys...well whatever lives usually dies... Makes good power, but not enough to out pull a ford, and not what a cummins could be with the price of the chev in the first place. Worst ground clearance in its class, no longer comes with a straight axle configuration. Aluminum case for the front diff (get your axle seal installer out and prepare to swear) Lotsa little things to piss you off. ie. door handles breaking off, seat locks for the sliders breking etc. Oh and make sure they throw in a case of door pins when you buy one cause you'll be changing alot of those.
Best thing GM has going for them is a nice ride and a pretty looking extrior. (see you jokers at the course)

Dodge makes a good solid truck.....Not as solid as a Ford in my opinion. However I have to say it would be one hell of a hard decision for me to make if I had to buy one or the other.

slantsixness
06-14-2004, 08:05 AM
Spadez-
"Front end.....ABSOLUTE SHIT!! The only heavy duty truck you can buy with coil springs in the front end...."

Would you rather have ford's un-alignable or torch- alignable constantly failing "King pins"???

I had a D300 from 1972 (was a farm truck for years) and yes, the suspension up to '93 was identical. But wait, after abusing this beast for over 30 years, the ball joints are still good, only the centerlink and tie rod ends have ever given me any trouble, and I think bouncing around a field probably is what did those in.

I'm not saying it's the best suspension out there, but it's better than a straight axle!

Other than that, I kind of agree with you, but I'm and avid Anti-ford ford sucks ford hater.

Did you know that all early Ford trucks (and most cars) came with Dodge Brother's motors?
Even Henry Ford knew he couldn't make a truck motor!

:)

Slantsixness
(don't believe me? look it up!)

(I'd also like to say that the Dodge Brother's actually died, before the Dodge company was even bought by Chrysler, let alone building trucks. Dodge was aquired for their motor contributions to Chrysler the "powered by Dodge Brothers" was a FORD token, not Walter Chrysler's. I believe Ford still owns the rights to the phrase "powered by Dodge Brother's Motor")

quaddriver
06-14-2004, 01:22 PM
I guess I get to deliver my .02 since the topic has drifted to truck vs truck.

Hands down, ford builds the best light truck anywhere. the 1980-1996 models are proving/have proved to be the most reliable and longest lasting - period. With GM a close second, and dodge not on the map.

and since the topic has drifted to include non-truck hardware also...I may let a few things slip.

hands down, the gen 1 SBC and the ford windsor powerplants have always been the most reliable. It was only relatively recently that 2 separate 'polls', one by Ward Automotive, the other by the SAE, have given the 'best ever' type award to the buick 3.8 (aka 3800) over the SBC. You will note that dodge does not have any motors in the 'top xx best' of anything save the cummins diesel, which they do not even build.

I saw some earlier comments about trannies....and I will say, they are mostly wet. While it is true that other makers have had certain years of certain trannys (fwiw, the 700R4 was fixed by 84 - 20 years ago, and the AXOD's red letter year was 91 - 13 years ago) - all models of all CPD trannies for all years are bad bad bad. Talk to any independant tranny shop and they will tell you that when GM or Ford corrects a model, they still have dodge to keep them in business.

If anyone needs specific examples of the strengths/weaknesses of the big 3, just ask. But suffice to say, since DC owns CPD, it would be in their best interestes to completely abandon the truck business - period and concentrate on automobiles. They have enuf design initiative coming from europe and enuf hardware coming from japan that they really could put out world class vehicles in but a few years. The truck/suv division is just dragging them down (be careful before you reply, YES, the trucks/suvs are profitable, but that business model is dependant on demand staying the same. As fuel becomes more of an issue, as well as emissions this will go away. DC/CPD does not have the resources or buyer support to permit much of a drop in sales, and does not have the cash on hand to offer the incentives GM and ford can. I predict this country will return to emphasis on sedans/wagons and DC/CPD could position itself to be waiting)

slantsixness
06-15-2004, 09:59 AM
Now that we've started another hate thread here:

This is the "pro's and Con's of Dodge".

Not the "I hate Dodge" thread.

You Ford and Chevy guys are here just for our amusement.

Thank you for the laughs.

Quaddriver:
"All models of CPD (oh, gee I see you use acronyms... you can't just say Chrysler?) transmisions are bad bad bad?"
"completely abandon the Truck business"


What the F^ck are you smoking?

Dude,
I've got an A904 that has never been rebuilt that's got over 400Kmiles on it. Another, an A727 that's also got over 250K on it. and an A904 in my '69 dart with no rebuild and 170K on it. an A604 that's still purring at 130K....
I do have a bad tranny, too. It's an A540 toyota in my Camry. And it's not cheap, either.

What do you mean, "bad"? My '89 S10 blew the 700R4 at 50K(warranty) and still two more times after that,when it was supposed to be "fixed". I got rid of the wretched pile 'o sh1t. And don't think for a minute that I maintained it poorly or anything.
Wanna talk bad fords? 3.8L Windstar/Taurus? Aerostar transmissions? CrownVic's with no reverse....? How about the Tempo/Topaz/Escort transmissions?
I almost forgot GM's infamous 2.8L V6. What kind of motor lasts until the headgaskets or crank give out at 30K? Then a modified version (87) moved the dipstick tube, and still eats heads... what crap!

It was very nice of you to document and prepare such a lengthy statement about the particular downsides of Diamler Chrysler. If I were your English teacher, I'd give you an "A" for your report.

Maybe if you put that much research into GM and Ford, you wouldn't have this closed mind.

On the other hand, I'm always up for a good laugh.

Thanks,

Slantsixness

sasquatch2550
06-15-2004, 10:27 AM
chevy sucks balls, chevy service suck nuts, kelly chevrolet in phoenixville pa should be burned to the ground.

slantsixness
06-15-2004, 01:04 PM
Sasquatch,

You... um, don't like chevy, huh?!


I think that's clear!

Spadez
06-15-2004, 07:19 PM
:screwy:

Sound's like 'slanty' here had a nice tall, frosty glass of 'Carnation instant Bitch' this morning. :mad:

PRO'S and CON'S are as what I had stated! As a professional 'FLEET' maintainance mech, I see, with open mind, what I see! So far I have seen verry little trouble with the drive train on Dodge equipment. In fact I like them better than the ford transmissions. The two piece flywheel is a dumb assed idea, and who the hell likes to listen to a fried input shaft bearing??? Have You changed one lately??? Ford F*&%D up. But the front end on a Dodge doesnt stand up for shit......and that is a FACT!!!

DEAL WITH IT!!

Seeing as how were on a rant here, in case you havent noticed there bud, the 'Eliot and Reverse Eliot' straight axle king pin design has been used by more than just Ford one tons, and by the way is RIGHT NOW installed on your nearest 3 ton through biggest possible truck you can find, of AALLLL makes and models, right now and for a model year spanning.....oh I dunno.....the last, what, 50, 60, 70, years, for where ever in the hell you are. That's a guarentee!!! So tell me again how Ford engineered that wrong!!! It's been working since the first truck, and It'll be working for the last one!!!
Oh and by the way, look around......you might notice that most of the large fleets owned by survey, utility, telephone, oil, gas, companies are all Fords......Yah.....theres all to good a reason for it!!!
Who's the one with the closed mind!!! Who cares how good the shit is sitting in your back yard!! That's a little bias no??

Don't forget, I'm th Ford guy who came on the Dodge site to offer some non opinionated advise. I get into a different HD truck every month of all makes. By the way, the reason I came to a Dodge site is to see if anyone else has had the same charachteristic front end problems as I have experienced, and if there was any solutions. Why you ask.........Because I wouldn't mind one as a personal vehicle for myself. I like the truck already.

Have a nice Day.

:)

P.S. A real good friend of mine happens to work for the AMA!! Guess what the make of small vehicle is he tows most with trans problems????????????? CHRYSLER!!!!! Buy a 1999 Caravan!!!

slantsixness
06-16-2004, 09:55 AM
Spadez,
I didn't mind or disagree with your comments, save for the front end one, it's Quaddriver's 700R4 comment that set me off. I actually liked my S10 a lot, but he so unabashedly stated they were fixed, and therefore now the best thing since sliced bread.

I've had many dodge Trucks and Vans in service truck fleets for 12 years. Unless the were beaten to death by poor off-road conditions (and 2WD to boot) premature ball-joint failure is uncharacteristic. Mostly, the trucks have always gone 150-200K without any front end trouble, including alignments and tire wear. The trucks ranged from '72-'98 and are 100's 200's 2500's and two 3500 bucket trucks (96 and 98). When I sold the company (retired) in '99. Most of the newer (94-up) are still in service in the new company.

So, either I have had incredible luck, or the trucks just hold up under the abuse of installing and maintaining Satellite communication and cell systems.

as far as "Carnation Instant Bitch", yeah, I didn't want to see quad's post yesterday, kinda set me off. I grumbled at a supplier and two other engineers yesterday for no apparent good reason, too. I must be on the rag....

quaddriver
06-16-2004, 11:25 AM
How someone gets this:

it's Quaddriver's 700R4 comment that set me off. I actually liked my S10 a lot, but he so unabashedly stated they were fixed, and therefore now the best thing since sliced bread.

from this:

fwiw, the 700R4 was fixed by 84 - 20 years ago

Is truly an example of the internet miracle.

the pre-85 700 was a 27 spline weakling, the 85-on version 700/4L60/E is a 30 spline version with other enhancements over the years. Prior to 85 failures were common, post 85 they fail with the frequency of any other mainstream tranny. Your 89 blazer is not in the former group, it is in the latter, same as my 91. Mine failed at 157K after 10 years as a rural mail delivery vehicle. It has gone 40K since. I guess there is something to be said for 'when you fix something, fix it right'

BleedDodge
06-16-2004, 02:36 PM
Can't we all just get along?

slantsixness
06-17-2004, 08:32 AM
Oil and water don't mix, unless it's a Ford.

Quad,
I had an '89 S10 4X4. I had a TH-700XXX transmission in it and a 4.3L V6. I also had a 7/100K mile warranty. I took it back to the dealer 4 times for a bad transmission and 2 of those times, they replaced the whole tranny with a GM "factory new" trans. After 88K miles, and arbitrating with GM, they Bought the Truck back, save for the $3000+ that I had put down on it, which I figured was a fair deal.

That wasn't the only trouble I had with it , either. Front brakes, front hubs, something in the transfer case went bad, the gauges never read right (and that damn digital dash wasn't worth .02, either) I would say That the 4.3L motor was ok, but It shook like it missed at traffic lights, and GM just told me that that was the nature of the V6's.
So, wether I was the only poor bastard to own such a lemon, or maybe your assumption that the trans was "fixed" isn't exactly true in all cases.

I never drove the S10 improperly, and hardly ever off road, unless you consider washing it on the grass in the front yard off road.... I used my ramcharger, or one of my company trucks (all Dodge) to beat around the dirt in.

So how could I have had such bad luck with my 3rd of 4 GM vehicles? And, on the trade-in/ buy back, I did buy an Astro EXT AWD LT with the same damn trans and motor (but vortec) that was in it. The van wasn't nearly as troublesome, but it had it's share too, and 1 tranny at 98K miles, when it was fixed, then sold before it had the chance to die again.

On a lighter note, My brother is a rural route postal carrier, and uses a '96 town and country van as a 'postal' vehicle. Last I checked, he's got over 200K on it with the original trans...

I love chrysler. I trust my vehicles, and I've never been disappointed unless I bought a GM or Ford. Even my Camry drives better than any Ford I've driven.

Now, let's get back to being freindly, shall we?

Slantsixness

florida_dodge
07-04-2004, 11:04 PM
I had a vibration problem with my 96 club cab when I first bought it (new). When I complained, the dealer replaced the two piece drive shaft with a one piece. No more vibrations!

Merlin02131
07-05-2004, 09:09 AM
Good Morning

Thanks for the reply . I went out on the web and checked some bulletins yesterday and found that issue . I seem my have this problem after using the cruise control as it seems to put a certain drag on the drive train when using for a while . I use the cruise control on a highway every day and after about a month , I get vibration thru the drive train . I stopped using it and the problem went away ( go figure ) . Also , I now have an electrical smelll in the cruise control so I need to get it in for some warranty stuff . I'll let you know how i make out

Thanks

Rich

slantsixness
07-05-2004, 08:57 PM
What the?????

This is the pro's and con's thread....
Where'd you guys come from?

I was busily hoping someone had pissed in my cornflakes again, damn!

Oh well,
Have a nice day anyway...:)

gitrdonedakota
02-09-2007, 10:36 PM
i have been reading through the forums on dodge trucks and i have found quaddrivers comments to be very unaccurate. I have a 93 dakota that has 181,258 miles and has never had a tranny issue or any other problem. shes a 3.9L V6 and pulls like a V8! on the other hand, my mother had a 96 ford taurus which dropped the tranny at 96K, and my aunt had the same car that also dropped the tranny 63K. my dad had a 94 ford explorer with 103K which i towed home last week because it died on the way home from work. if ford builds tough stuff then why does a dodge with that many miles tow something home that has 78K less miles and is one year newer. the truth is there is good and bad in everything. sure ford builds a tough truck but so does chevy and dodge sure as hell builds a damn tuff truck!!!

2.2 Straight six
02-09-2007, 10:56 PM
a lot of it is in the care taken.

you look after you car/truck, it'll look after you.

PWMAN
02-10-2007, 08:18 AM
All makes have lemons though, and more people speak up when something went wrong with the truck than when nothing went wrong. It's doesn't take much to make a dodge automatic last longer, a good tranny cooler is the number one step and effectively doubles if not triples it's life. The other thing is to keep the bands adjusted properly, thats actually something you are suppose to do once a year or so it probably says that in the manual yet no one ever does it.
Do those 2 things and a dodge tranny is actually better than fords. Now I got to admit that chevy has just about always had the best tranny's. I know guys that put 400 horsepower and 700+ ft/lbs of torque with the cummins to a dodge 48RE tranny with the only upgrades being a better torque converter, tranny cooler, and proper maintenance. And I personally had a 94' cummins ram with a manual NV4500 trans and put 325 WHP/750 ftlbs to that tranny and that truck had 255K on it when I sold it with as far as I know the original tranny.
Now I own a 90' Dakota, manual trans the NV2500. It grinds going into second gear only until the fluid gets warmed up which takes about 5-6 miles then it's fine. Not bad for a truck that has 176K on it. It's a 4 banger the 2.5L SOHC and gets over 21 MPG 75/25 city/highway and 25-27 MPG highway at 65 MPH. The only complaint I have is I wish it had power steering, but I'll trade that for the fuel mileage any day rather than getting a V6.

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