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2002 Town and Country - automatic transmission shifting problem


modasrar
01-06-2008, 09:58 PM
I have a 2002 Town and Country LX with the 3.3L V6. Recently the check engine light went on and later the transmission stopped shifting from 3rd to 4th gear. All the gears work properly except for 4th. It doesn't seem like anything is wrong with the transmission, would this be a sensor problem? If so which sensor would need to be replaced?

modasrar
01-06-2008, 10:07 PM
I also forgot to mention that I got the codes off the vehicle that were tripping the check engine light. The codes that were tripped were "P0700" and "P0888"

RIP
01-07-2008, 01:44 AM
Can't say much beyond P0700 is a Transmission Control System circuit failure and the P0888 is a Transmission Control Module power relay sense circuit malfunction. I did read of an EATX relay fixing the later. Pretty good bet you fix one you'll fix both. How's the fluid level?

modasrar
01-07-2008, 04:42 PM
Can't say much beyond P0700 is a Transmission Control System circuit failure and the P0888 is a Transmission Control Module power relay sense circuit malfunction. I did read of an EATX relay fixing the later. Pretty good bet you fix one you'll fix both. How's the fluid level?


The fluid level is fine. That was the first thing I checked. Do you know where the EATX relay is located and is there only one EATX relay or multiple ones?

RIP
01-07-2008, 06:31 PM
Not positive about a 4th generation 02 but, I believe there is one and it's in the PDC (fuse box next to the battery). Check for an identicle relay near it you could swap it with.

modasrar
01-09-2008, 03:45 PM
New EATX Sensor. No difference shifting pattern is the same. I did find this on automotiveforums.com... http://www.automotiveforums.com/t196775.html ...it talks about how there is a flaw in the Chrysler splicing of wires...I can't seem to find the wires that this person is referring to in the vehicle. I am also unsure where to look for the ground strap on the transmission. Any thoughts anyone???

RIP
01-09-2008, 05:09 PM
I read the same thing but, believe it applies to early gen 3 vans 96-2000. Could be wrong.

Cntrysthbst
01-10-2008, 03:50 AM
Another thing that might help is just taking it to the dealer. They can hook there machine up to it and find out if your shifting pattern is out of wack. I had the dealer look at it and they said it was way out. They flashed it, reset it, and it just amazed me, I watched the whole thing. Sometimes when something goes bad as in a sensor, etc., the shift pattern can change, and if you don't drive the same way every time then this can happen too. It's somewhat normal from what I understand. There is alot of technical stuff involved with these transmissions. I just found out that my PCM needs to be replaced again because they did not install the upgraded one, and on top of that they have to do 12 software updates/upgrades to the new PCM, 7 are for communications between the PCM and the transmission computer. I would surely check into the dealer if you go and find one your comfortable with. I've gone through 4 and finally found a really good.


The grounds are to the left of the left side speed sensor, there are 2 grounds. Kinda hard to see from the top. The bolt that the grounds are attached to is the bolt that holds the transmission to the engine, one of them of course. I had to replace one of mine because the wire was falling out the eyelit, it wasn't soldered into the eyelit.

modasrar
01-18-2008, 03:54 PM
I took it to the dealer and they replaced the power distribution center.

RIP
01-18-2008, 05:44 PM
Thanks for returning with the fix. Seems PDCs are failing more often. I've read they are easily corroded and it seems mainly on gen 4 vans.

Cntrysthbst
01-19-2008, 06:43 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what is the power distribution center? Is it the one by the battery? And did this fix the shifting issues?

zukdj
02-27-2009, 11:44 AM
I have a 2002 T&C that is shifting weird too, I checked the fluid, not burnt and full. The problem is there is no specific time this happens, some days it shifts perfectly and other days it bucks going from 1st to 2nd and shifts all over the place. When coming to a light when its not shifting correctly it will stall, other times its fine when shifting correctly, My issue is there is no check engine light on at all so it is hard to diagnose. I think it sounds like some sort of snesor failing but have no idea where to start, anyone ever seen this? Any help is appreciated.:banghead:

Cntrysthbst
02-28-2009, 10:08 PM
got one to and all tested fine and have same issue..have done everything just about..was reading into this and learned it may be engine management causing it to..so far no luck..the last thing leaft is cam and crank sensors that may cause this even though they are not putting off a code..dont know why or if its true but seems like the more I replace or have replaced it gets better..the crank sensor is located on the transmission side but dont know where..hopefully RIP will reply to this with better info..

does it act up more in wet weather?

zukdj
03-02-2009, 09:59 AM
I'm in NY, it's cold, damp and snowy and has been since it happened so I can guess yes but its only a guess. I can get back to you when Spring emerges, LOL! :biggrin: I am so ready for Spring, it has been way too long of a Winter in the Northeast! Anyhow, what is Engine Management, and what have you done so far?

zukdj
03-04-2009, 06:14 PM
It threw a code today, I'm going to Pep Boys to get the code, I'll let you know what I find out.

zukdj
03-04-2009, 08:14 PM
PO123, TPS (Throttle Position Sensor), apparently since the sensor isn't working it can't tell the van when to shift properly since it isn't seeing the throttle open. The part was $40, I'm going to put it in this weekend. I'll report back with my findings. BTW, I was told this part seldom throws a code so if your seeing these symptoms this may be your issue as well. You have to remove the throttle body to replace the sensor. Anyone else ever replace a TPS?

zukdj
03-07-2009, 08:01 PM
Much better, the TPS seemed to do the trick for me. The part was $40 and was fairly easy to install. While you have the throttle body off you should probably clean it good with some Gumout, replace the air cleaner at the same time. WOW, what a difference, no more bucking or tranny problems.:lol2:

allenprimo913
03-08-2009, 10:56 AM
does it apply to older vans too? i have a 1998 ply voyager and it jerks a lilttle right after 2nd gear shift but runs fine above that then it jerks again when you slows down to a stop. i did almost everything all i can think of to do. i replaced tranny fluid & filter, replaced busted tranny mount on the front, adjsuted shifter cable, repaired leay tranny hose and replaced both input & output sensors.

the jerking is less but i still feel it once in a while both after take off then when you come to a stop.

i got no code , how much did you pay to get those tranny codes?

thanks

allenprimo913
03-12-2009, 10:55 AM
any replies guys

tnks

jreodica
11-20-2009, 03:40 PM
I've got a 2002 T&C FWD 3.8L...

Sometimes I would get "bucking" between 1st and 2nd gear.

More recently, the van would not shift between 3rd and 4th gear! Plus the Check Engine light was also on. I thought this meant I'd have to drop a few thousand dollars for the transmission to get fixed.

But I came across this thread and found my solution!

The ERROR CODE I was getting was "P0700" without using any readers - just by using the van keys, ignition/diagnostics process - OFF/ON x 4 and the error code gets displayed on the digital Odometer.

(P0700 = Transmission Control System circuit failure)

It turned out to be a faulty Throttle Position Sensor. It was only a $36 CND part that I bought at Part Source here in Canada!

It took me about 1.5 hours to fix by following these steps:


Disconnect the negative battery cable from the terminal. Remove the hose clamp from the air inlet-to-throttle body. Take off the two mounting screws and remove the air inlet resonator.
Step 2
Remove the throttle as well as the speed control cables from the lever and the bracket. Disconnect the electrical connectors from the idle air control (IAC) motor and the throttle position sensor (TPS).
Step 3
Take the vacuum hoses (http://www.ehow.com/hoses/) from the throttle body. Loosen and remove the mounting nuts that hold the throttle body in place.
Step 4
Lift out the throttle body assembly and the mounting gasket. Place a clean shop cloth over the manifold to prevent debris from falling into it. Unscrew the old TPS (Throttle Body Sensor) and remove the small seal so you can re-use it on the new TPS. Screw the new TPS to the throttle body. Spray electrical contact cleaner on all electrical contacts before plugging everything back in.
Step 5
Set the throttle body with a new gasket on the intake manifold. Place the mounting nuts in position. Torque the the nuts to 18 foot pounds.
Step 6
Reconnect the vacuum hoses to the throttle body. Reattach the IAC motor and the TPS electrical connections to the throttle body, then connect the throttle and speed control cables.
Step 7
Place the air cleaner/inlet resonator assembly in position. Reconnect the negative battery cable. Start the engine and check for proper operation.


Thanks for the help guys!

http://invite.gailandjoel.com/chrysler_town_country_2002_3.8_throttle_position_s ensor.jpg

Alphabravo
11-20-2009, 07:19 PM
WOW! How did you come up with a bad TPS from that code? I'd have never thought about a TPS. The same P0700 code popped up on my 97 GV 3.3L today. I hope it doesn't send me on a witch hunt.

icebox114
11-22-2009, 09:46 AM
mark t&c tranny problems

Bigbuckjohn
02-14-2010, 06:54 PM
My Daughter's 2000 Grand Caravan had s similar problem. I read all this posting and followed it. I changed out the speed sensors ($17 each at Auto Zone) but that didn't help. I found out someone who was messing with my daughters car had pulled the fuse for the ATX relay(or AVG)? something like that since the car is not here I can't double check it. I replaced the 20 amp fuse and it worked just fine. Thanks to all of you who responded to this thread. It helped me find the speed sensors and they were very easy to replace.

treglassman
01-11-2013, 03:03 PM
I am new to this forum and hoping to find some answers regarding my 2000 town and country. I was wondering if replacing this TPS sensor would help with my limp mode tranny problem. I went to auto shop yesterday and got some codes. P1790, PO733 and P1792. He told me it was internal, but i dont believe it. I have already replaced the input and output sensors and the selenoid pack and also changed filter and fluid (atf4). The van has been giving me a hard time starting also. Tranny was running fine and all of a sudden it made a whineing noise and lost power. Pulled over to the side of road, turned off and then restarted. I could only do about 30-35 mph with rpm around 3. made it home and started to do some research. I replaced items according to other forum info. But van still has the problem. Any advise would be appreciated.

RIP
01-11-2013, 05:52 PM
I am new to this forum and hoping to find some answers regarding my 2000 town and country. I was wondering if replacing this TPS sensor would help with my limp mode tranny problem. I went to auto shop yesterday and got some codes. P1790, PO733 and P1792. He told me it was internal, but i dont believe it. I have already replaced the input and output sensors and the selenoid pack and also changed filter and fluid (atf4). The van has been giving me a hard time starting also. Tranny was running fine and all of a sudden it made a whineing noise and lost power. Pulled over to the side of road, turned off and then restarted. I could only do about 30-35 mph with rpm around 3. made it home and started to do some research. I replaced items according to other forum info. But van still has the problem. Any advise would be appreciated.

It appears the computer detected a fault code and put the transmission into what's called "limp mode". This limits you to 1st, 2nd, and reverse gears to decrease the chances of further damage. Of the three codes only the P0733 (A/T Additional Gear Ratio Error In Third Gear) will trigger limp mode. The P0733 code could be caused by a data mismatch between the input and output speed sensors or a slipping or worn internal UD clutch.
The P1792 code indicates a power interruption, maybe a battery disconnected and the P1790 code indicates this:

"P1790(36) -Fault Immediately After Shift When monitored. This code is set if the associated gear ratio code is stored within 1.3 seconds after a shift. This code will only be stored along with a 50 (gear ratio) series code. If this code is set, it indicates the problem is mechanical in nature. When this code exists, diagnosing the transmission should be based on the associated gear ratio code and primarily mechanical causes should be considered."

Could have them check the Clutch Volume Index (CVI) numbers for the UD clutch. Out of range numbers will mean a rebuild.

treglassman
01-11-2013, 07:39 PM
Thanks!! I will bring it to the shop tomorrow and get more details. I will let you all know my fix. Question: what would cause a data mismatch with the sensors and is there anything true about the wire splices and ground strap?

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