Why do people hate hondas/honda owners so much ? I drive one and i still dont see why people always try to rag on us in diffrnt msg boards. Around my city ,honda owners are praised , so i dont know what the deal is .

B/C EVERYONE AND THEIR MOMMA SEEM TO DRIVE A HONDA AND THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO CUSTOMIZE THEIR RIDE PUT ON AN ILLUSION THAT THEY'RE FASTER THAN EVERONE ELSE B/C THEY HAVE AN A/M EXHAUST

MY OPNION....B/C THOSE THAT DO MODIFY THEIR CAR THE "RIGHT WAY" PUT OUT HUGE GAINS IN THEIR 4 CYLINDER WHILE OTHERS IN THEIR V6-8 BRAG ABOUT PUTTING OUT HIGHER GAINS...ALSO...MORE HOT SPOTS AND HANGOUTS WITH HONDA OR "IMPORT" OWNERS

Yeh i know what you're sayin. Theres quite a few Nissan owners that dis on honda along with VW. Me i'm gonna be a soon to be owner of a pulsar. I just love any cars man!:)

WHY POSTING THIS IN THE 240SX FORUM :confused:

Who me?

NO...CHRIS26969..:frog:

because most (NOTE: I SAID MOST, NOT ALL) Honda owners make the worst modifications to their cars, such as Altezza lights and other ugly ass shit, and then claim that they're the fastest thing on the road and can take all challengers. i'll admit, there are some hardcore guys out there that own Honda's that are truly fast (such as Spoon Honda's), but the majority of the ones you hear about today are ugly-ass show cars with huge, heavy, ugly body kits, heavy ugly chrome wheels, neon kits, altezza's, aluminum wings and nothing done to the engine.

Originally posted by chris26969
Around my city ,honda owners are praised , so i dont know what the deal is .

so that means you must live in imaginaryland...or wisconsin

dont think so kid . Civic owners are the cream of the crop around here . Rims , body kits , altezzas , lookin pretty nice , engine swaps , turbos etc . If you hate a nice looking car and speed then thats your problem.

Originally posted by TheLogikal1


or wisconsin

LMAO!! Man i hear ya on that one!:)

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
because most (NOTE: I SAID MOST, NOT ALL) Honda owners make the worst modifications to their cars, such as Altezza lights and other ugly ass shit, and then claim that they're the fastest thing on the road and can take all challengers. i'll admit, there are some hardcore guys out there that own Honda's that are truly fast (such as Spoon Honda's), but the majority of the ones you hear about today are ugly-ass show cars with huge, heavy, ugly body kits, heavy ugly chrome wheels, neon kits, altezza's, aluminum wings and nothing done to the engine.

I agree with you but theres also nissan owners be doin the same shit.

waste of a thread?

this is gonna become a flame war and a 1/2...

who cares?

we all know why people hate on certain cars of certain makes, not just hondas...

there's ricy everything. end of story.

i've seen some ugly (and slow) 240sx's as well, so it's not all honda...

and it's not just honda and nissan... rice has no OEM manufacturer... it's an aftermarket universal product.

get over it.

Chris, its not that we dislike honda owners, its the fact that everywhere you go you see that same annoying honda look that everybody is copping. There is no room for innovation when dealing with hondas because ideas are being stolen as soon as you think of them. Signal auto just recently put a NSX engine in a ek hatch! Now thats innovation!Instead of following trends,you should set them.





PEACE!

Originally posted by silviarb26
Chris, its not that we dislike honda owners, its the fact that everywhere you go you see that same annoying honda look that everybody is copping. There is no room for innovation when dealing with hondas because ideas are being stolen as soon as you think of them. Signal auto just recently put a NSX engine in a ek hatch! Now thats innovation!Instead of following trends,you should set them.





PEACE!

then again, theres us, "sr20this, sr20 that"

*except you. and your rb26....


*drools* rb26.........

I have respect for any fast car, domestics included. The reason why I think most people hate on honda's is because thats what most 16 year old kids end up getting as their first car because it's "the cool thing to do" and since their part-time jobs can only allow them to afford things such as body kits, wings, and crap that doesnt help your car in any way. I know that wings and body kits can be functional, BUT how many 16 year old kids do you see driving around with mugen body kits that have a function. I have friends that drive honda's and I love their cars. There's a local guy who dynoed 500 hp and 350 lb-ft of torque on his turbocharged SI about 3 months ago. The reason why people hate on honda's is because the majority of them driving around with their body kits and 5 inch tips from walmart, well.... suck. I've seen an S13 fastback in my area driving around with red window tint, ugly graphics on the side, and a huge wing, while his motor is stock. I put this guy down with all the honda ricers. Just because he's driving a ricey nissan doesnt mean that I like his car any better than the ricey hondas. That's my opinion at least

What if thats all we can afford . Us teenagers still in highschool can /want to only put so much money into our cars . I mean my car is only useful for a little bit more , then i gotta sell it cuz im going to college . Ya know? From what your saying your ragging on kids because they dont have enough money...come on man .

no he's not. he's ragging on kids that buy a honda because everyone else bought a Honda. a used S13 240SX costs WAY less then the average used Civic, so if you have enough money for a Civic, then you have more then enough money for a 240SX, so don't even try to bring the money aspect into this. and besides, if you only had enough money to do certain mods, why not pool the money together that you would spend on crappy mods (wing, body kit, graphics, altezza's) and buy something useful that would actually do something for the performance of the car.

As a civic owner . I did not buy a civic because it was "cool" i bought one because the other cars i wanted were no were to be found in my state . Ex , 240sx,dodge stealth,mustang . Cars where i live are pretty hard to find , to get a decent deal you got to drive 75 miles west .So a civic was the next best thing , reliability and a decent body shape .

Originally posted by chris26969
What if thats all we can afford . Us teenagers still in highschool can /want to only put so much money into our cars . I mean my car is only useful for a little bit more , then i gotta sell it cuz im going to college . Ya know? From what your saying your ragging on kids because they dont have enough money...come on man .

yeah I meant it like S13_Iketani said. they buy a honda because their friend bought a honda. believe it or not, my first car was actually a 91 civic dx sedan :o I hated the thing with a passion but it's all I could afford at the time. I didnt put any money into that and I just drove it to work everyday and then saved all my money from work so that I could one day get rid of the civic and get a better car. Oh yeah, and I'm still a teenager in high school as well

i eat rice for lunch and dinner everyday!!!:devil: that is because i'm chinese, but oh wait wrong topic. anyways, i don't disrespect hondas. i like all cars. and you know what i hate worse then honda ricers? nissan ricers, there are plenty of those in nyc.

you know what i hate worse then honda ricers? nissan ricers, there are plenty of those in nyc.

that is so tru, lately i 've also seen alot of nissian ricers in nyc n it pisses me off!!!

people like them is going to give nissian a bad name!!

Originally posted by TatII
and you know what i hate worse then honda ricers? nissan ricers

You wanna know why they are worse? Cuz as Nissan owners...we expect better from our ppl. I dont hate all Honda's...just stupid ones...it takes alot for me to respect a FWD Honda...but I drove my mom's '03 CL Type S (6 spd manual) and it was alot of fun...260HP; LSD; 230TQ and 0-60 in 5.9 seconds

So I mean ya...sure you can make your lil DX fast by swapping motors and stripping out your interior and slapping turbo or NoS on your car...but anyway you slice it...you are still FWD and to me...it's no the true form of a sports car...

Sure there are nice handling FWD cars...namely the ITR...but it's quite sad when the ITR is probably the best handling car and it only has 195HP and really there is none higher

Honda has some other decent cars like the NSX and S2k...and they are RWD...I think that was a good move...

But think of all the sucky cars (dont say you cant swap motors into them too) Honda cars make...namely the new Si...bleech

Nissan...oh yea...we make the 240SX, Silvia, Sileighty, 180SX, 300ZX, 240Z, 260Z, Skyline GTR, Skyline GT-S, Bluebird (SR20DET; AWD) and Pulsar GTi-R (SR20DET; AWD)

Wow...

THE JDM ITR PUTS OUT 210HP....SO IN ORDER TO BE A SPORTS CAR...A REAL SPORTS CAR YOU HAVE TO HAVE RWD :confused: SINCE WHEN HAS THAT BECOME A STANDARD :confused:

MY 1ST CAR WAS A 93 NISSAN NX2000 WHICH WAS NAMED ONE OF THE BEST HANDLING CAR BY CAR AND DRIVER...WHICH CONSEQUENTLY IS FWD AND DESIGNED TO BE A SPORTS CAR...DOES THIS MEAN ITS NOT CONSIDERED A SPORTS CAR CAUSE IT'S NOT RWD

Originally posted by NISSANSPDR


you are still FWD and to me...it's no the true form of a sports car...





WHAT??!!?? Ok what do u call the new 350z? family sedan? That is not true what you're saying. Sport cars come in fwd,awd and rwd! Get it str8 man.

FWD cars can be "sporty", but I wont consider them "sports cars".

1 - FWD is bad for acceleration. Under acceleration, weight is transferred to the rear, thereby lightening the weight on the front wheels and reducing traction.

2 - FWD is badly balanced. 60% or more of the cars weight is up front, which causes understeer.

Of course, I wouldnt call MY car a sports car because it has no grip and its slow. :toothless

I KNOW WE'RE GOING O/T....BUT HERE'S A QUESTION....


SINCE YOU ALL SAY FWD CARS CAN'T BE CONSIDERED A SPORTS CAR.....THEN WHAT IS CONSIDERED A SPORTS CAR??.....WHAT MAKES A SPORTS CAR A SPORTS CAR??

I THINK IT'S JUST.....STUPID TO SAY A FWD ISN'T OR CAN'T BE A "SPORTS CAR".....

In my opinion a sports car is defined by , looks , handling ,and one of good acceleration......whether it be fwd,or rwd. thats just my 2cents.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
WHAT MAKES A SPORTS CAR A SPORTS CAR??


ok, i might get flamed by my fellow nissan owners here...but my opinion of a "true" sports car is power, RWD, non-converatble and a 2-seater

example: mazda rx-7

^^I agree, except for the 2 seater part :mad:

RWD, good weight balance, independent suspension, +.8gs on skidpad, and no more than 15 seconds in the 1/4 ;)

The 4DSC. The almighty Maxima. Especially the 4th Gen. Great styling. Incredible engine. Eats Honduh's for breakfast.

Originally posted by 3.0L_Playa
The 4DSC. The almighty Maxima. Especially the 4th Gen. Great styling. Incredible engine. Eats Honduh's for breakfast.

dude, idont mean to hate, but youre wacko.

maxima? sports car? almighty?

maybe luxury/sports car, but not a "true" sports car, and im sure most poeple on this thread will agree


ps. i do not think any sports car should have 4 doors

errr so what do you call the mitsubishi evolution series? what about the sabaru wrx sti's? those things are super car slayers, and guess what? they come in four doors. its freakin awesome. i can go out kill most cars i see on the road, with the kids in the backseat and on my way to buy goceries. you just can't beat that man~!:smoka:

Originally posted by TatII
errr so what do you call the mitsubishi evolution series? what about the sabaru wrx sti's? those things are super car slayers, and guess what? they come in four doors. its freakin awesome. i can go out kill most cars i see on the road, with the kids in the backseat and on my way to buy goceries. you just can't beat that man~!:smoka:

just cause its fast, doesnt make it a sports car.

dont get me wrong tat, im not trying to contradict you, im just saying, i consider the WRX and STI sport sedans. rmore rally bred cars than a sports car is supossed to.

yes they can kill my car and many other cars on the road, but so can this new cadilac SUV that i saw at the chicago autoshow. does that make it a sports car?

hahah i don't care if its a sport car or not i'll like it as long as its fast:cool:

All I need to know is where you live so I never go there. Yes there is a respectable aspect to a car...and I mean any car... when it is hooked up right! Regardless, 99.9% of Honda owners do DUMB shit to their cars and pretend like they are cool. NO HONDA is Cooler than a good ol' DOMESTIC BEAST!!! I have a Spec V, I realize that my car is an import, but I know and respect the true great cars of OUR NATION... The GTO, Corvette, Chevelle, Saleen! These are what I refer to as IMPORT EATERS.

Originally posted by TatII
errr so what do you call the mitsubishi evolution series? what about the sabaru wrx sti's? those things are super car slayers, and guess what? they come in four doors. its freakin awesome. i can go out kill most cars i see on the road, with the kids in the backseat and on my way to buy goceries. you just can't beat that man~!:smoka:

:grinyes: :iagree:

If you got a clean ride with no altezzas, big ass aluminum thing on the back, auto in your car, then I like your Honda:biggrin2:

To reiterate the point that several of you have made here...

I don't like the 'ricers' I see running around my area. There are thousands of them, and each one is worse than the last. Standard features include: 5-inch fart pipe, 100-pound park bench wing (on a FWD car, no less), 'euro' tail lights, 18-in alloys and a 2-in drop. Worse are the ridiculous 'grafix' idiots plaster all over these monstrosities, citing the 'turbo' power or 'racing' gear they have. I regularly dust these people in the 6-cyl Taurus I unfortunately own.

HOWEVER, there is a guy who lives in my apartment complex who owns an '01 Civic Si that is a pristine example of what to do with an import street racer. This car is entirely black, 5-spoke redline rims included, and dropped really low. That's it. Aside from the fat exhaust tip, I barely recognize it as a Civic. To boot, he regularly has numbers markered on his windows on Monday mornings, detailing what he actually does with this car on the weekends.

That's what I'd do if I owned a Honda, Nissan, etc. Anything else (other than stock) is bullshit.

OK- saying that all Honda owners do dumb stuff to thier car is just bullshit not true- my mum kept her '01 Civic VTiS 5 door hatch completely stock until last month when she traded it for a Skoda Octavia

Not all Honda owners are dumb little kids- Hondas are reliable economical motors- the Civic Si/Type R is a Sportshatch- all other Civics are economy cars- simple as that. The Prelude and Integras I do define as Sports cars- the Inegra 4 doors are Sports Sedans- but either way they both look very nice indeed. Integras are very capable machines- reflected by Ronnie Lim of NZ- pulling 9.89 second 1/4's in his FWD Turbo'd B18C- and it proves more reliable than the 8.6 second Skylines! Well from what I've seen anyway.

Anyway I do respect Honda- but as an awesome chassis designer, an innovator and an A-to-B car maker


:bigthumb:

You're right, and any car can be fast. I once saw a jet engine-equipped semi do 300mph.

Bottom line, Civics and Integras are a lot of fun to drive. They handle well, are suprisingly quick, and are very economical. When you put a 14psi turbo and a shot of nitrous under the hood they can run very short quarters. Their being small and lightweight greatly assists the 4-cyl motor in pulling that off, and those qualities have always been greatly sought after by drag racers (most notably with Darts in the 60's and 70's).

However, most of the "tricked out" Hondas I see nowadays look like shit, and I'm only criticising those particular owners who have absolutely no grasp on aesthetics. I've seen plenty of Mustangs that look terrible, too. Bad taste is not a genre-specific affliction; it just so happens that a lot of younger Honda owners seem to be retarted, and have given the masses a bad name.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
THE JDM ITR PUTS OUT 210HP....SO IN ORDER TO BE A SPORTS CAR...A REAL SPORTS CAR YOU HAVE TO HAVE RWD :confused: SINCE WHEN HAS THAT BECOME A STANDARD :confused:

I agree here too. Apparently some people are so uncultured in the automotive world that they have never seen a SAAB Sonett, or a DKW Monza - both of which are more of sportscars than anything being produced today regaurdless of whether or not the rear wheels are powered.

Originally posted by 3.0L_Playa
The 4DSC. The almighty Maxima. Especially the 4th Gen. Great styling. Incredible engine. Eats Honduh's for breakfast.

ditto....just see my avatar

I don't hate Hondas/Honda owners. I don't like idiot ricers, regardless of what car they drive.

Originally posted by Polygon
I don't hate Hondas/Honda owners. I don't like idiot ricers, regardless of what car they drive.


So fucking true!!!!! :sunglasse

Well I dont know where you live, but around here only the highschool drop outs and dirty minorities (no offense but its mostly true) drive "pimped out Honda civics" Now dont get me wrong, I think that Hondas and Ford Focus and Cavaliers are fine cars for just driving from point A to point B but its just sad and pathetic when people do stuff to them. They look retarded, most of the owners are drugged losers anyway, and they're a threat on the roads. Every summer when the car show comes to town, who causes the accidents, those dumb ricers and neons and ****. Thank God none of my friends drive Hondas, I would be embarrased to ride in one of those. I'm a fan of sport cars (Porsches, Ferraris, etc.) and muscle cars (Mustangs, Camaros, etc.) And the funny thing is most rice racers think they can take those cars.... they must be on crack, but its always fun to win the races when your out w/ the friends, b/c then you have more stories to share about those dumb Honda lovers...........................

And in my area, those kids who drive souped up whatever, are a drain on the local economy, they commit insurance fraud by slicing there own interiors to get insurance money for a new interior, then its the normal people who have to pay higher rates for thier insurance..............and another thing most of them purchased their own cars, and I respect that, however they began to purchase all these upgrades for it when they can't afford it............how dumb do they get, and now I'm starting to see Saturns pimped out, that crosses the line, in no way shape or form should Saturns ever have upgrades...................but in conclusion, I don't hate everyone who drives a Honda, but I hope you can understand my reasoning behind why I do hate most of them........... and all of you who like muscle cars and sports cars, like myself, you are part of a dying bread, soon all Hondas w/ their wings made out of erector set will inherit the Earth

Something I want to bring to peoples attention about honda and why a lot of people hate honda owners is...1. the afore mentioned ricers eg. gay body kits, huge ugly pointless wings, huge ugly pointless exhausts. retarded looking grafix etc. 2. btw I am using the 4th gen f-body as comparison. Everytime me and my buddy waste some "tricked out" honda in his 98 trans am they almost always say well lets go to the roadcourse and see who wins...well guess what, their still gonna loose there too...3. gas mileage, yes they are very economical, but if you can manage to keep your foot out of it, it is not rare to see ls1/6spds getting 30+ mpg...

I respect just about anything that is fast, but what gets on my nerves is the sheer stupidity and ignorance of most honda owners. They think they know what their talking about but the longer they talk, the more and more foolish they make themselves sound.

If you are part of the .2% of honda owners that actually care about performance and going fast, not looking "pimp" and acting like you know everything then I respect you...But for the other 99.8% you are a disgrace to auto. community.

1 more thing and I promise Im done, but one things that truely pissed me off and I see it almost every day is seeing stupid riced out hondas weaving in and out of traffic doing double the speed limit. I dont care if you own a lambo or ferrari, that is just plain stupid!

Originally posted by carkulture
...!

:iagree:

It's not that people hate honda's themselves, its just that they are very common now. Alot of the honda's are now being done the same way. There is no immagination left to a honda. In a honda, they can be done the same way, body kits, undercar lights, altezza lights, u get the picture. But if u choose an out of the ordinary car, u can personalize it, so it doesent look like the rest. So its not that they are necessarily a bad car, its just that there is alot of the same car going around now.

I love fast cars as well, but for the money there are better buys than hondas, like one of my best friends he bought a 1991 or 1990 not quite sure Camaro RS V8 I thought they were always 6 cylinders however we did change spark plugs and its definately a V8, anywho he got that for 1,000 dollars, a fast car for cheap cheap cheap. And I just got a 1986 Porsche 944 turbo, holy crap is that thing fast, only cost me about 9 thousand and its a great car.............a lot of work was done has well over 300 horsepower, and I am hopefully going to purchase a stage 4 turbo system from a local tuner other people who have them get over 510 bhp, thats insane, anyways for the money you can find faster cars than hondas :-/ oh and carkulture, 98 trans am.......very nice. And you are right, Hondas are very common and they all look the same

Generally speaking, I feel that a sports car has to be:

1) RWD or AWD (i.e. Camaro, S2000, WRX)
2) Relatively fast or handles well or both (i.e. Miata, BMW 3-series)
3) Designed for performance out of the factory (i.e. Corvette, NSX)

personally, I don't mind Hondas. My aunt has a Civic Hatch and it's still running great after all the crap she put it through. what I DO hate is ricers. i think all cars should have a personal body guard to keep the "pimp parts" away and either stay stock, or get performance mods. well, that's just my 2 cents in this little flame war :biggrin:

Originally posted by numbware
personally, I don't mind Hondas. My aunt has a Civic Hatch and it's still running great after all the crap she put it through. what I DO hate is ricers. i think all cars should have a personal body guard to keep the "pimp parts" away and either stay stock, or get performance mods. well, that's just my 2 cents in this little flame war :biggrin:

Nothing wrong with putting bodykits/tims/tints/whatever on Civics- what we need to do is stop assholes who think they have a Corvette/Ferrari/whatever killer because of that.

In my opinion a sports car =

*a strong V8+ (or a well boosted v6/4cyl)
*RWD, AWD
*Solid Axle (im partial to drag racing, IRS isnt good for quarter mile times)
*2 Doors
*Runs no more than a 14.2x 1/4 time

In my opinion a sports car =

*a strong V8+ (or a well boosted v6/4cyl)
*RWD, AWD
*Solid Axle (im partial to drag racing, IRS isnt good for quarter mile times)
*2 Doors
*Runs no more than a 14.2x 1/4 time


Solid axles are bullsiht- especially for track racing- drag racing is the sport of Rednecks and Ricers- I would go by Nurburgring lap times before 1/4 mile times. Secondly if driven properly FWD is an excellent drive train for racing on tracks as well- any decent driver can minimise understeer- and you say V6- but What about Inline 6's (GTR, Supra, XR6 Turbo) These cars can outperform most V6's.

ok, i might get flamed by my fellow nissan owners here...but my opinion of a "true" sports car is power, RWD, non-converatble and a 2-seater

example: mazda rx-7

About the non-convertable part - does this mean that a convertable cobra, viper, corvette, m-3, s2000, camaro, or a 350z isnt a sports car??

Solid axles are bullsiht- especially for track racing- drag racing is the sport of Rednecks and Ricers- I would go by Nurburgring lap times before 1/4 mile times. Secondly if driven properly FWD is an excellent drive train for racing on tracks as well- any decent driver can minimise understeer- and you say V6- but What about Inline 6's (GTR, Supra, XR6 Turbo) These cars can outperform most V6's.

Drag racing is the sport of high horspower machines that strive to accelerate the fastest. What is redneck about that? I understand if you drive a car that has a 15 sec 1/4 time, you will probably make excuses for yourself. Im sorry Ricers are not drag cars, dont get me wrong one can be made a dragster but its not a very good platform to drag with. When somebody sais "that car is fast" they are not usually talking about skidpad #s. I dunno about you but there is nothing like driving a high performance beast that can accelerate AND handle, so dont hate.

FWD is not a sports car im sorry, anything "can be made" to do things well, but RWD, AWD are much better platforms.

FWD is not a sports car im sorry, anything "can be made" to do things well, but RWD, AWD are much better platforms.

Yeah RWD and AWD are far better for drag racing, but FWD can be made into just as good of a road racing car as RWD and AWD and FWD are far better for drifting.

I don't hate Honda, I hate the owners who think they have the most reliable cars out there. Sorry but Toyotas can take more abuse than Hondas, Toyota has the most reliable cars in the world, they have the most reliable trucks in the world, toyota has better large SUVs, honda and toyota both have great small SUVs (RAV4 and CR-V), at the moment the only thing I think Honda has that is better than Toyota is the Odyssey.

AWD and FWD are far better for drifting.





uh.....no.....

FWD is not a sports car im sorry, anything "can be made" to do things well, but RWD, AWD are much better platforms.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what a sports car is. FWD has been kicking RWD's ass since it became popular for production automobiles. Most notably you might remember that Citroen's front drivers enjoyed a winning streak in the monte-carlo rally, followed by a winning streak of SAAB 96 sedans, followed by a winning streak of BMC Minis. These cars beat more powerful RWD cars - and outside of the Monte Carlo, FWD kicked ass in all sorts of events.
There's a common and somewhat unfounded belief that RWD is somehow supperior to FWD when it comes to motorsports - and it's just that - an unfounded belief. It has simply sprang up because old-fashioned companies didn't want to tinker with FWD sports cars, and continued doing it the old fashioned way, with a motor up front and the driving wheels in back(even Panhard, the first company to make cars with this layout, way back in the 1890s switched to FWD - and that should tell you something). Just because there's a larger number of "true" sports cars that are RWD, doesn't mean that there is no such thing as a FWD sports car. DKW's Monza, SAAB's Sonnet, Panhard's 24(Tigre) were all early FWD sports cars - real sports cars. DKW went on to become Audi under VW's control, and we both know how impressive Audi's and SAAB's cars have been in various events.

uh.....no.....

don't know much about drifting do you.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what a sports car is. FWD has been kicking RWD's ass since it became popular for production automobiles. Most notably you might remember that Citroen's front drivers enjoyed a winning streak in the monte-carlo rally, followed by a winning streak of SAAB 96 sedans, followed by a winning streak of BMC Minis. These cars beat more powerful RWD cars - and outside of the Monte Carlo, FWD kicked ass in all sorts of events.

Read my post again plz, and note I said "anything can be made to do things well". FWD can be MADE to perform well just like anything else, what I said is that RWD & AWD are better platforms to work with. Please tell me what it is that FWD is superior in? Is it cornering? Acceleration? oh yea...drifting, ::funny:: Im kinda boggled here...from my experience FWD is a limited platform, but then again I do mostly drag racing personally. I have seen many FWD cars lose control because of weight transfer that doesnt benefit FWD as it does RWD. And we all know about that pesky thing we call understeer. FWD cars just cant put the power to the ground like AWD and RWD can in a high hp/tq application.

don't know much about drifting do you.


ok expert....go and post in the drifting forum that FWD and AWD cars are better at drifting than RWD cars.....


if you are such an expert i'm sure you can back up your claims in that forum

its under racing...see ya there

FWD cars just cant put the power to the ground like AWD and RWD can in a high hp/tq application.

Hmmm, I see this must be why RWD cars do so well in snow? :rofl:
And just for your information, understeer is a common trait of ALL front engined cars, reguardless of whether it's the rear or front wheels that are being powered.
In many respects, FWD is better than RWD (especially when you're using an engine mounted in the front, rear engined cars are a different story) FWD is more versatile than RWD in many ways and there is no reason, that a FWD platform would not be able to perform as well as a RWD platform in drag racing - maybe if drag racers would stop being so old fashioned and reluctant to try out something different, there'd be more FWD drag cars out there?

Hahah

I think you are just blinded with your Voltswagen Beatles that you autox with, or whatever those ugly things are in those pictures. Take a FWD and 500-600lb of TQ and put the power on the ground w/o slicks. Hell it would be a nightmare on slicks too. Not sure if you realize that weight transfer occurs when launching that takes traction off of your front tires and transfers to the rear. Have you ever owned a ~3100lb car w/ 550+ HP/TQ, I have, try launching that on FWD. That is what I meant by the platform is limited. If there was anything beneficial in using FWD for high horsepower launching/acceleration they would be getting used in proffesional drag racing.

Hmmm, I see this must be why RWD cars do so well in snow?
What does snow have to do with racing 99.99% of us will ever see?? How is that a measure of getting power to the ground?

And just for your information, understeer is a common trait of ALL front engined cars, reguardless of whether it's the rear or front wheels that are being powered.
No, its not. Ive owned 6 RWD cars in the last 3 years, never saw Understeer, RWD has oversteer, FWD has understeer typically.

In many respects, FWD is better than RWD (especially when you're using an engine mounted in the front, rear engined cars are a different story) FWD is more versatile than RWD in many ways and there is no reason, that a FWD platform would not be able to perform as well as a RWD platform in drag racing - maybe if drag racers would stop being so old fashioned and reluctant to try out something different, there'd be more FWD drag cars out there?
Thats funny, I want to see you go out to a dragstrip and say some nonsense like that, do some research first, stop fooling yourself.

ok expert....go and post in the drifting forum that FWD and AWD cars are better at drifting than RWD cars.....


if you are such an expert i'm sure you can back up your claims in that forum

its under racing...see ya there

didn't say i was an expert asshole. I was typing fast and screwed up, yeah rwd are better than fwd at drifting and its very hard to drift an awd. happy?

didn't say i was an expert asshole. I was typing fast and screwed up, yeah rwd are better than fwd at drifting and its very hard to drift an awd. happy?

btw here we have this thing called banning so keep it up......


and if you would be anything close to maturity you would've admited earlier that it was your fault due to the mistype instead of saying that do not know anything about the subject and supporting your mistake....but instead you decide to call me names....good move :thumbsdow

btw here we have this thing called banning so keep it up......


and if you would be anything close to maturity you would've admited earlier that it was your fault due to the mistype instead of saying that do not know anything about the subject and supporting your mistake....but instead you decide to call me names....good move :thumbsdow

i called you an asshole because i make a mistake when typing and you get all sarcastic. oh, i'm going to get banned for calling you a name? there's more name calling on these forums than any other i've seen. by the way i'm not a newbie, my old account had over 300 posts.

i called you an asshole because i make a mistake when typing and you get all sarcastic. oh, i'm going to get banned for calling you a name? there's more name calling on these forums than any other i've seen. by the way i'm not a newbie, my old account had over 300 posts.


i don't care if you are a noobie or not...i never brought that up....fact is that no matter how many people use profanity it is still not apropiate for you


and i was not sarcarstic....i said: "oh....no" basically disagreeing with your statement....i had no way to know you mistyped.....your reply was to tell me that i don't know anything about drifting......so grow up and just admit you made a mistake and you continued it :rolleyes:

so it comes down to this: you made a mistake i corected you then you came back and said that i don't know what i am talking about i replied again that you are wrong and then you came back again and started swearing

I don't knock Honda's or people who drive them....It's just that when one tries to do me dirty and pass me, I mean it's like where are you going....I mean I hear your exhaust tryin, but you aren't goin anywhere. So before you throw all those stickers on your car and body kits, then try to race me...First make sure your engine is up to par! But for those of you that keep it cool then more power to you....I mean some people just like Hondas?

honda's are fine as long as the serve their purpose. "Civic" means city = city driving/lower speeds. They weren't meant to have stupid coffee cans and neon blue wipers. People who own these cars think everyone is envious - only poor people. most normal people aspire to have something a bit better than a $ 12,000 ECONOMY car.

hey it's not just hondas that are horrid 98 % of asian cars are the same ..no

the reason ppl hate honda is becasue you ppl put on a coffee can muffler and all of a sudden you can pull off a porsche or so you think! i drive a almost completely stock 74 camaro i bought myself and i smoke you little ricers all the time! i will give props to the guys who are willing to spend the money and the time to make their honda truly fast but thats only about 2% of the "racers" with a honda! but in order to make a honda fast you pretty much gotta put a whole new engine in it! unless its a older prelude or the s2000 becasue you can get huge hp gains out of those two engines. but overall you ppl drive like shit in and outta traffic thinkin you a fuckin hardass and your cars super fast! where it sounds and moves more along the lines more like a lawn mower. stop thinking your fast and make the car fast! and "fast" begins at being able to run a mid 13 quater mile. or you can spend half the money and buy a older muscle car and be able to make it fast alot cheaper and quicker then your asain pieces! ppl hate ricers becasue they are gay!

the reason ppl hate honda is becasue you ppl put on a coffee can muffler and all of a sudden you can pull off a porsche or so you think! i drive a almost completely stock 74 camaro i bought myself and i smoke you little ricers all the time! i will give props to the guys who are willing to spend the money and the time to make their honda truly fast but thats only about 2% of the "racers" with a honda! but in order to make a honda fast you pretty much gotta put a whole new engine in it! unless its a older prelude or the s2000 becasue you can get huge hp gains out of those two engines. but overall you ppl drive like shit in and outta traffic thinkin you a fuckin hardass and your cars super fast! where it sounds and moves more along the lines more like a lawn mower. stop thinking your fast and make the car fast! and "fast" begins at being able to run a mid 13 quater mile. or you can spend half the money and buy a older muscle car and be able to make it fast alot cheaper and quicker then your asain pieces! ppl hate ricers becasue they are gay!



That is half-correct and half naive- Honda have 4 good engines for racing and/or tuning- the H22A series (Accord SiR & Prelude VTi-R) B16a (Civic SiR and Type R), F20C (S2000) and B18C (Integra VTi-R & Type R) there is also the engine from the NSX- but for a Honda engine I'd perfer the I4 series seeing as they are lighter. While tuning JApanese cars is more expensive it's more rewarding- how rewarding woul it be to get 1500bhp our of a 2.6 litre RB26DETT- which in a correctly prepared Skyline shell with the ATESSA AWD system will run 1/4's with pretty much any muscle car imagineable- and while it'd be crappy around corners- it'd probably run better around them than the Muscle car of similar bhp.


Yet you are very right- people should stop driving like assholes and overcompensating for small wee-wee's- it's idiots like them that give true import enthusiasts like myself a bad name- and I have to bear the brunt of their stupidity. I'd probably put 14 sec 1/4 for a respectable time- and a good lap at Nurburgring is also important

like i said bro, if you take the time and spend the money to do the work to make the car fast ill give you all the props in the world i love any car as long as it commands respect through PERFORMANCE. I'm a muscle car lover myself and only 16 so i probably only know half of what you guys do, so if i left a couple of the honda engines out it was just oversight i wasn't trying to be naive. lol. thanks for fillin me in though!

like i said bro, if you take the time and spend the money to do the work to make the car fast ill give you all the props in the world i love any car as long as it commands respect through PERFORMANCE. I'm a muscle car lover myself and only 16 so i probably only know half of what you guys do, so if i left a couple of the honda engines out it was just oversight i wasn't trying to be naive. lol. thanks for fillin me in though!


No problem- we all gotta start somewhere :smile:

Funny I like Hondas I just don't like that many honda owners.

If you've never owned more than 4 cars in you're life.....dont talk to me.

I agree with racingbreed, the problem with hondas started with "The fast and the Furious" it made the drivers little pricks. They have this obsession with Folgers can exhausts and carbon fiber steering wheels. In turn they sit there and knock you down for not doing up your car the way the movie said to and race around thinking they're professional drivers. Now, I like the old honda Preludes I think they are quick for what they were originally made for but I like "muscle cars" more. Everyone who says that ricers are better and faster etc.... don't take into account that they also weigh 1/4 of what a "muscle car" weighs. Today fiber glass and plastic make up about 65% of the car, import or domestic. back in the day only a few cars were made of these materials, i.e. Corvette and the Shelby cobra. Honda's are good long lasting commuter cars that have potential to be brought up to racing class. Same goes for all the old Chevy's, Pontiacs, Mopars etc... it's all the same but a whole lot smaller now.

I have respect for any can that can talk the shit and walk it but it is the hondas who r dx coupes that have intake and rims and think that they r the sh*t that pisses me off. It is those guys who give honda owners a bad rep.

i have the same problem in my town. there is a tricked out eclipse with the rims carbon fiber hood and great decal job along with paint and body kit. About 5 grand worth of stuff on the body, But it was taken on the strip by a stock SVT Ford Contour. i have nothing against somebody who can walk as well as talk, but for those retards who trick out the body but yet can barely pump their own gas let alone install a turbo kit system GIVE IT UP!!!!!!! just because you guys look stupid dont mean u gotta act like it

in my city its kinda diff, most people around here know what there doing with there honda's, i've been in a few hard races with some integra's and one civic hatch. these guys look pretty and they back there looks along with it, maybe not running 12's but low 14's and high 13's is respectable from a honda civic, let alone there are some 12's around.
and as for the dumb guys with a can and rims, i like em, they give me something to laugh at.

FWD is better than RWD (especially when you're using an engine mounted in the front, rear engined cars are a different story) FWD is more versatile than RWD in many ways and there is no reason, that a FWD platform would not be able to perform as well as a RWD platform in drag racing - maybe if drag racers would stop being so old fashioned and reluctant to try out something different, there'd be more FWD drag cars out there?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I just revisited this thread, and I couldnt help but laugh my ass off at this post again....what a troll... :screwy:

with FWD the power to the car goes to the front wheels, therefore inhibiting the steering on the road. it ok for straight shots, and it or 4WD is always a must in places where winter happens. RWD is ideal for better steering response because your front tires are not under so much stress when turning and accellerating at once. i think both can be good, it just depends on your reasons for having one or the other. however FWD cars are more known for less power at the wheels, and are typically smaller than RWD

You could say I'm more of a domestic guy, but I don't hate Hondas. The only Honda car I would build would be a hybrid hatch, though. What I do hate is cocky and disrepectful drivers. I can't stand the sore loser that does a flyby, and puts the hazards on after you beat him. I also hate it when you get beat and the other guy goes on and on about how slow your ride is. Sh*t, if you really are a car enthusiast, you would be helping other people out instead of bashing their ride. I think tuning an LS1 to run low 11 is cool, but I think tuning an integra to run a 13 can be equally cool.

i have never really liked hondas. cuz most of the hondas i see here (kansas city metro) are jus eye candy and have no speed. i have beaten a couple hondas with body kits on and i have an oldsmobile. i am getting a 300zx soon and cant wait to beat all the hondas. there are a couple hondas i admire (prelude and S2000), but i dont like the majority of them.

I hate kids that go "all show, no go" and then think they are fast. I don't care if its a import or domestic. Luckily we don't have that problem out here in corn country. Very hard for a kid to make money and most kids just put a system in their car, very little performance modding goes on and just as little "ricing".....Except this damn avenger with fake plastic hood scoops, wheels, a window banner, and nothing else and this kid acts like hes got a ferrari.

Except this damn avenger with fake plastic hood scoops, wheels, a window banner, and nothing else and this kid acts like hes got a ferrari.

Time to put his punk ass in his place. :D

Time to put his punk ass in his place. :D

Some kids were talking about taking his plastic hood scoops and putting them on the principals van.

well thanks to me there's a lot of car doors laying around in the streets that belong to ricers, i put them in there place while most people with fast cars don't even bother to race them i do it to show them just how slow there cars are. my girlfriend tells me all the time "pic on somebody your own horsepower" but i let them know that they are slow as hell.

In fact I dont even think that avenger has custom wheels just the scoops and banner.

Chris,

If you're wondering what the big deal is, i'll tell you: there are too many people with the same cars (like hondas for instance) that all have the same looking mods and stuff. People try to be independent but end out looking the same. Not only do these people argue over who's faster, they boast that they can beat anyone. "Anyone" are the people who hate hondas and other rice burners. When people make their hondas look fast, the think they're bad.... These people make others that own REAL cars hate hondas. SO, hondas are trashed to keep honda owners from thinking thier 16.5 sec cars are fast.

well thanks to me there's a lot of car doors laying around in the streets that belong to ricers, i put them in there place while most people with fast cars don't even bother to race them i do it to show them just how slow there cars are. my girlfriend tells me all the time "pic on somebody your own horsepower" but i let them know that they are slow as hell.

I hear you man. That's exactly what i'm doin in my town. Lots of rice burners think they're cool, but i put them in their place. So far, me:6 rice burners:0.

SO, hondas are trashed to keep honda owners from thinking thier 16.5 sec cars are fast.

Lol, my pickup was a whole second quicker stock. Stupid rice.

Around my city ,honda owners are praised , so i dont know what the deal is .

Civic owners are the cream of the crop around here .

:lol: You're hanging around the wrong crowd. That may be the case among the 16 year old street racer crowd, but nowhere is a Civic considered "cream of the crop" among the real "fast" guys. Can they be fast - yes. But there are many, many other cars that can be just as fast if not faster.

Originally Posted by Idelaysionl
But there are many, many other cars that can be just as fast if not faster.
hmmm, i would have said something more along the lines of, "almost every other car in existence is faster than a honda" but thats just me.

hmmm, i would have said something more along the lines of, "almost every other car in existence is faster than a honda" but thats just me.
Believe it or not, there ARE Hondas that are very fast.

hmmm, i'll go with my theory on aliens with this one, i'll believe it when i see it.

Believe it or not, there ARE Hondas that are very fast.

True, but not very many.

Why Do i Hate Hondas.. I dont :)

I Hate Honda Drivers who slap a big fancy wing on the trunk and put a bodykit and some flames on and pull up to my 64 Polara and think they have a chance.

Oh well, Whatever trips your trigger.

Hondas can bemade to be very fast. 9 and 10 second Civics/CRX's are not uncommon, there is a 7.something arather Civic in the States and PLENTY more running 13's and below.

It's not even that hard, with all the high quality tuning parts available.

Hondas can bemade to be very fast. 9 and 10 second Civics/CRX's are not uncommon, there is a 7.something arather Civic in the States and PLENTY more running 13's and below.

It's not even that hard, with all the high quality tuning parts available.


"9 and 10 second Civics/CRX's are not uncommon"

:rofl:

"It's not even that hard, with all the high quality tuning parts available."

You gotta be kidding right? Oh its not hard, :rolleyes: you just need about $25,000 + car and you get a un-streetable, unreliable car. For less money I would have a v8 and have something that is streetable/reliable and runs on pump-gas. Hell for THAT much $$ I would sure the hell expect better than a 10sec slip.

A moment in Highschool revisited...

Upon the first day, he drove his brand new civic to school. And was as cool as the rest of them. The second day behold, sporty seat covers and blue foamy steering wheel cover, his car was stylish as them. Dawn upon the third morning shinned brightly upon the engine mods, composing of an VTech logo and super glue, his car was faster then them. Upon then forth day he tinkered, and into the fifth, and finally the sixth day, the master mechanic finally completed his oil change. Soon to follow the coffee can tip (Screw on, non the less), two rear spoilers, since it was truly a face car, and fog lights (Guess somewhere it says somewhere in the owner manuals that fog lights make you see better at high speeds), and the most important of all, the offical "NOS" sticks on the windows, the most powerful of all upgrades. His car was complete and untouchable. For upon the thirteen day, he laid his car to park, and let the world star in awe as its highly powerful engine and superb exhuast system hummed like a honey bee. Heads turns and eyes glanced slowly, for he was now a god street racing. Up until his world was shattered with the murky red fluid oozed from his window as the cheese burger laid splattered upon his windows (With extra Ketchup). Laughter soon erupted and was drowned out in the sounds of an old Chevy small block 5.0 V8 on open exhuast :owned: . And soon was smoked by dozens of cars (Most stock), even a '87 Ford astro van, and most unrespectible of all, my moms minivan as he tryed to pass her in the turning lane at a red light.

And people wonder why people hate honda's since they where at one point the wet dream of all ricers.

Hondas can bemade to be very fast. 9 and 10 second Civics/CRX's are not uncommon, there is a 7.something arather Civic in the States and PLENTY more running 13's and below.

It's not even that hard, with all the high quality tuning parts available.

a 7 second civic, yippee. and what do you get with that? a completely unpractical car with giant Hoosier tires that cant do shit other than drive in a straight line while looking like a fag. and if its not all that hard, why is there only one? :smile:

Yes, you can drive a 10 second V8 car, in the rain, without compeletely chewing through the tyres. Very simple innit? Fucking hell, people who build drag cars have to be prepared for breakges, but fuck it, I don't drag, that's for idiots with ill-sorted suspension- probably why V8 owners love it so much.

With about US$10,000 work I bet I could turn my EG into a repectable track car that will wipe the floor with most V8 crap. Not bad for a $2000 car, has a good set-up to become an FWD track-monster. Honda are after all, the makers of some of the greatest-ever chassis'.

But I don't have US$10,000, nor do I even have enough to re-buy my car, so I won't do it, I'll jst save money and buy a JDM Intergra Type R, same effect, better engine

I just got a 1986 Porsche 944 turbo, holy crap is that thing fast, only cost me about 9 thousand and its a great car.............a lot of work was done has well over 300 horsepower, and I am hopefully going to purchase a stage 4 turbo system from a local tuner other people who have them get over 510 bhp,


RICER ALERT!!!!

don't know much about drifting do you.

PLEASE TELL ME YOUR FUCKING WITH US! YOU JUST SAID A FWD IS BETTER FOR DRIFTING OMG!

Yes, you can drive a 10 second V8 car, in the rain, without compeletely chewing through the tyres. Very simple innit? Fucking hell, people who build drag cars have to be prepared for breakges, but fuck it, I don't drag, that's for idiots with ill-sorted suspension- probably why V8 owners love it so much.



Yep, invest 10,000 in modifications into a $2000 heap, just to be upto par. Thats a GREAT idea! $12,000 spent on something thats worth less than $2,000 now. I knew I was doing something wrong this whole time! ;) Ill sorted suspension? I can tell you have no knowledge of what you speak, if you dont think suspension is key in drag racing, you sir are an idiot. :banghead:

Have you ever drove a 10sec V8? Most use a centrifugal SC or a turbo to get to those numbers. Power would kick in around 2800~ rpm. In every day driving I shift around 2100-2500. It would be a bitch to drive in the rain ofcoarse, but it would be ALOT easier than a 10sec Honda because FWD is meant for grocery getters, not performance cars, sorry.

grr too many post to read through but either way i'ma post on the subject if u guys detoured or already metioned this sry ...
I think the honda hatred stared witht he CIVIC it was made to be an economy car not a "race" car people got these cars and started saying how light it is and i can smoke anything on the street just b.c its lite ... yea its true alot of peeps have been able to get some nice tuning to there cars but the majority is wat kills it. then you got them follower with the nissan sentras omg lol thats all i gotta say... if u got an accord civic or other economy cars .... don't wasit ur money get a sport car and soup that up ;)

http://www.warehousemotors.com/store/item.asp?id=253 :X!! LOL LMAO! that says it all!

or if u really wanna c all the pics without clicking on all those links and see a funny trac vid then click here
http://cis8.lb.devry.edu/pcus6239/ricerocket

so that means you must live in imaginaryland...or wisconsin

hey now......

I agree, Hondas suck, they're the worst form of rice especially with the fucn fart cans....they piss me off too when they put the weird taillights on it, and they're hey man, this is cool, and i'm like hey man, no its not, shut up

plus, dude, wtf???

wisconsin?

im from wisconsin........well.......okay............they'r e a fucn load of ricers here, haha :banghead: :eek7:

Asians.........

Honda chassis aren't built for racing whoever it was that said that they build great chassis. S2000 yeah, NSX yeah, Civic NO!!! Accord NO!!!
And a chassis doesn't make a car great.

FWD Track monster? That's an oxy-moron when you are refering to civics and whatnot isn't it?

Honda chassis aren't built for racing whoever it was that said that they build great chassis. S2000 yeah, NSX yeah, Civic NO!!! Accord NO!!!
And a chassis doesn't make a car great.

FWD Track monster? That's an oxy-moron when you are refering to civics and whatnot isn't it?
Um OK...............Glad to see you are fully in the know about Hondas and FWD cars in General.............



Do these names mean anything to you?

Honda Integra Type R, Honda Prelude Type SH, Peugeot 205 GTi, Alfa Romeo 156, Peugeot 106 GTi, Alfa Romeo 147, Ford Mondeo ST220, Ford Focus ST170, VW Golf GTi Mk 1, 1969 Mini Cooper S, Citroen Xsara VTS, EK9 Honda Civic Type R, EF9 Honda Civic SiR.

These are a few of the examples of FWD cars that have been known to provide better handling than many RWD chassis' So yes I do believe FWD cars can make great track cars. Oh and all of these cars had economy car roots.

A chassis doesn't make a car great???? WTF??? It's about 60% of what makes a car great. The engine/Gearbox/Brakes are 15% (As it is easily swapped), Technology 10% and any other minor little stuff make up the rest.

If you have a crap chassis, you can't make a great car, simple as that. OK that's not true, Lotus turned a Lada into quite a stunning car on Top Gear once and that cost 100,000 pounds.


i love this mentality eh, "Oh it's a economy car aw! It is shit den eh b0e?" Notice how most people will criticise a Civic Type R or SiR and then not criticise a Neon SRT4???? Hypocrisy and bigotry IMHO.

That's not what i meant... Just because a car has a good chassis doesn't mean it is a good car...that's what i meant. And no, as much as you would like to believe, Honda chassis were meant to last, not race. You are talking to me like i know nothing about cars, that is aggravating. I'll be honest though, i know enough about Hondas to know that it's nothing i would buy. I'm driving a 1994 Honda Accord EX right now(for free while my other car is getting fixed), and i could tell you...I wont ever own one. Road course car, yeah it could be good, but for the strip i would rather have RWD. My car that i'm getting repaired is a FWD car(89 LeSabre T-Type),so yes i understand FWD quite a bit. After owning this car, i wont ever own another kind of car(Buick).

No one was talking about all those cars, they were talking about Civics, which is what i was refering to. You're talking to me about mechanical stuff? Have you ever even worked on an engine, or tranny? Of course chassis are 60% of the car, without it it wouldn't be a car now would it. Personally no, those names dont mean a darn thing to me, never will. How about this: 1987 Regal= Regal T-Type=Grand National=GNX. We soupe our cars up here to, start base and go from there.

You can "mention" all the cars you want. Those are all GARBAGE in any application when it comes to SERIOUS speed, be it at the track, and lets not even go into straught line... And PEUGEOT?!? OH MY GOODNESS!

i love this mentality eh, "Oh it's a economy car aw! It is shit den eh b0e?" Notice how most people will criticise a Civic Type R or SiR and then not criticise a Neon SRT4???? Hypocrisy and bigotry IMHO.

Well, now you're the one being ignorant. The SRT-4 only shares a few interior bits and some sheet metal with the Neon SXT. The chassis on the SRT-4 is different from any regular Neon. Z28 Josh is right. I have driven an Accord and I will say that it isn't a car I would like to take Auto-Xing. I don't know about the Civic but I doubt it is much better. These are economy cars that were never built with speed in mind.

Well, now you're the one being ignorant. The SRT-4 only shares a few interior bits and some sheet metal with the Neon SXT. The chassis on the SRT-4 is different from any regular Neon. Z28 Josh is right. I have driven an Accord and I will say that it isn't a car I would like to take Auto-Xing. I don't know about the Civic but I doubt it is much better. These are economy cars that were never built with speed in mind.
That's my point, the Civic SiR, especially in EF9 form has about as much in common with a dual-carb 1.5 Civic as the Neon and SRt4 do- maybe not as much as that, but still little in common.

You're starting to sound like a Skyline GTS/GTSt/GTS4 owner, they always accuse SiR's and Type Rs of being economy Civics and then get all defensive when someone points out that the performance Civics have as much in common with the humble Civic as thier errr....things have with the mighty GTR. Usually this is after they get beaten by an SiR or Type R.

As for the Accord, bah! the bigger US Market ones usually are awful, the Accord Type R served up in Europe and the Japanese market Euro R are the sporting Accords.

brodie50 STFU, you don't even get PEugeots in the USA, so what the hell do you know about them? The 206 GTi 180 is faster than every new car under NZ$40,000 (About US$25k) the only one that might stand a chance is the Neon SRT4, but I don't have any acceleration times handy, nor do I reckon it'd retail under $40k if they sold it here, so the relevance to me is nowt.

Like I said, bigotry.

How can you say that Peugeots are faster, when:

1: you dont have the stats to back up your claim.
2: you know nothing about american cars
3: you're biased toward that car, so it's not like anyone here will believe you anyway, unless you can prove it.
4: as for a 25K car, why dont we compare it to one of our sedans for good measure, lets say the 2004 Grand Prix GTP. You get some stats and ill give you mine.

You're probably the type of person who thinks the only good cars in the U.S. are the Viper and ZO6.

OK, the particular car I am reffering to.

Peugeot 206 GTi 180
Price: NZ$39,990
0-100 km/h: 6.89 seconds on Autocars VBox (Claimed: 7.4)
80-120 km/h: 4.49 seconds
100-0 km/h: 34.86 meters

Wieght: 1115 Kg (With full tank of gas)
Length: 3835 mm
Wheelbase: 2447mm
Width: 1900mm
Height: 1430mm

Weight distribution: 64:36 (F:R)

Engine: Transverse 4, displacing 2.0 litres through a 5 speed manual, obviously to the front wheels.

Power: 130Kw@7000rpm (180bhp)
Torque: 202nm@4750rpm


That is basically what you need tyo know, but those really say nothing about the amazing engineering done to make this baby handle, a drive of that can only justify it.


if you want proof of these (Think they are falsified), I'll happily photograph the portion of NZ Autocar that I got them them from, as my scanner is screw-loose.

I doubt a GTP woul be faster, especially if they use the Supercharged 3.8 still. The Commodores that use these engines aree something of a joke, especially to Ford (Falcon/XR/Fairmont) fans. The Commodore is lighter and also RWD, so I reckon the GTP'd be slower than the Commie-whore, hence I can't imagine it being faster.

Even still we've got to remember that cars, especially when new are cheaper in the US than over here and the currency of New Zealand is strong at the moment, while the US one is weak, so really, when you think about it, the 206 is damned good bag for buck, as it'd probably be about $15-17k if sold in the US.

That's my point, the Civic SiR, especially in EF9 form has about as much in common with a dual-carb 1.5 Civic as the Neon and SRt4 do- maybe not as much as that, but still little in common.

You're starting to sound like a Skyline GTS/GTSt/GTS4 owner, they always accuse SiR's and Type Rs of being economy Civics and then get all defensive when someone points out that the performance Civics have as much in common with the humble Civic as thier errr....things have with the mighty GTR. Usually this is after they get beaten by an SiR or Type R.

As for the Accord, bah! the bigger US Market ones usually are awful, the Accord Type R served up in Europe and the Japanese market Euro R are the sporting Accords.

brodie50 STFU, you don't even get PEugeots in the USA, so what the hell do you know about them? The 206 GTi 180 is faster than every new car under NZ$40,000 (About US$25k) the only one that might stand a chance is the Neon SRT4, but I don't have any acceleration times handy, nor do I reckon it'd retail under $40k if they sold it here, so the relevance to me is nowt.

Like I said, bigotry.

See, now that is a different story. Unfortunately we aren't lucky enough to get the SiR or the Type R Civic or Accord. You're right the chassis for the Type R and SiR are different from a normal Civic or Accord and is much stiffer.

I will also stand up for Peugeot. They dominated WRC last year, so they know how to build a chassis and suspension right. Also, don't knock it if you haven't driven it.

2004 Grand Prix GTP: Testing By: Pro Formance and sanctioned by the scca-

Comp G- $36,000
Road Course lap time: 43.328 Seconds
Quarter Mile: 15.015 Seconds
Braking 60-0: 112.3 Ft.
Lateral G's 100 ft.: .0827 G's
600 ft. Slalom: 62.47 seconds

Curb Weight: 3583 lbs.
Length: 198.3"
Width front: 61.6"
Width Rear: 61.3"
Height: 55.9"
Electronic Throttle Control
Horsepower:260 fwd
Torque: 280 lb-ft
Axle ratio: 3.29:1
Engine: S/C 3.8 ltre, SeriesIII 3800
Fuel cap.: 17.0 gallons
4 Speed tap shift/ Overdrive- 4T60E

Also, the 3.8 that GM uses is very different than what Ford uses.

Yep a Chevy 3.8 3800 is totally different from a Ford 3.8. The Chevy 3.8 series 2 is highly regarded.

I am a Die hard American Classic enthusiast but I dont hate imports with a passion, I simply dislike them. My problem with hondas and other ricers is that They are so widely available, everyone and their little brother has one and because they sound like someone done pissed off a bumble bee. Also because all these kids get them put some plastic wheel covers on them and a 4 foot wing on the back and think their cool. One more thing for all you performance minded import owners and your sacred wings. Think about it, the point of a spoiler/wing is to increase downforce right? but all your imports with the exception of a few like the eagle talon are front wheel drive so putting more downforce on the back end thereby lifting the front end up will give you LESS traction NOT more Giant wings screw up Hondas they dont help them.

saddly I agree with you .. i do love imports though but the fact of the wings is soo true ... thats Y i drive a rwd supra :) and don't plan to do any body mods until i'm done with my engine and drive train ...

because most (NOTE: I SAID MOST, NOT ALL) Honda owners make the worst modifications to their cars, such as Altezza lights and other ugly ass shit, and then claim that they're the fastest thing on the road and can take all challengers. i'll admit, there are some hardcore guys out there that own Honda's that are truly fast (such as Spoon Honda's), but the majority of the ones you hear about today are ugly-ass show cars with huge, heavy, ugly body kits, heavy ugly chrome wheels, neon kits, altezza's, aluminum wings and nothing done to the engine.

i duno why u seem to hate on hondas.. even if u put in an intake and think ur car is fast.. it IS FASTER even marginally faster than the stock car.. so whats there to complain about.. looks are also subjective.. what if someone lives in an area where altezzas and fancy lights make ur car? then whatever u drive won't be nice in their eyes.. don't be so biased.. looks are subjective

I am a Die hard American Classic enthusiast but I dont hate imports with a passion, I simply dislike them. My problem with hondas and other ricers is that They are so widely available, everyone and their little brother has one and because they sound like someone done pissed off a bumble bee. Also because all these kids get them put some plastic wheel covers on them and a 4 foot wing on the back and think their cool. One more thing for all you performance minded import owners and your sacred wings. Think about it, the point of a spoiler/wing is to increase downforce right? but all your imports with the exception of a few like the eagle talon are front wheel drive so putting more downforce on the back end thereby lifting the front end up will give you LESS traction NOT more Giant wings screw up Hondas they dont help them.

thats why we put body kits on our cars so it'll create downforce equally on the car lol.. anyways it'll just push the back of the car down once ur going like 60mph n faster.. it wont' make the front of the car higher.. just the back lower.. and some people like the sound of an exhaust.. i wanted a deep sounded exhaust on my accord.. but i found out a majority of the "rice" exhausts actually make ur car slower

hey now......

I agree, Hondas suck, they're the worst form of rice especially with the fucn fart cans....they piss me off too when they put the weird taillights on it, and they're hey man, this is cool, and i'm like hey man, no its not, shut up

plus, dude, wtf???

wisconsin?

im from wisconsin........well.......okay............they'r e a fucn load of ricers here, haha :banghead: :eek7:

Asians.........

lol asians? i live in rosemead.. which is near montebello.. n its fulla mexican ricers.. they're even worse than the asian ricers so dont start being racist now

Rice is Rice, the persons race has nothing to do with anything. If the shoe fits....

These people that hate Hondas are feeling jealous. I think. I mean, don't these Chevy Malibu drivers feel like dumbasses when their pieces fail after 50k miles? Hondas are made to last, and thats why they are expensive, which alienates all kinds of cheap people. Eat that.

Read any car magazine or speak with owners of recent GM products and tell me that GM is back in the game. GM is still tying its shoes while everyone else is out playing.

These people that hate Hondas are feeling jealous. I think. I mean, don't these Chevy Malibu drivers feel like dumbasses when their pieces fail after 50k miles? Hondas are made to last, and thats why they are expensive, which alienates all kinds of cheap people. Eat that.
You're right, they were made to last; they are economy cars. Besides that, I always thought Hondas were pretty cheap vehicles, and I highly doubt that anyone is jealous of honda owners. Why would someone be jealous of honda owners and then go spend more money on another car when that money could have gotten them a honda? See where I'm going? As for reliability of GM, I work at a GM delearship and I have seen MANY vehicles come in with 150k, and even a couple with 270k miles on them, just getting regular maintenance(i.e. oil changes, tire rotation and such). If you look at the engines, you'll see that overall they are good build quality. The 3.8 is one of the best engines they have ever built; remember the GN? That's a Series I 3.8 with a turbo charger, GREAT car, and something I would take over any turboed honda or acura, even if it was done right. I have a 3.8 in my car and I didn't have to replace the head gaskets until 80k miles, I don't know if that means much to you but oh well. Hell, even the 3.4 is a strong engine, if it weren't for the damn leaks that engine would be more well thought of.
I used to be the same way you are ya know? I used to swear that ford cars suck, specifically the mustang, but you know what? I don't think that way anymore. Just because there is a vehicle I would rather have in place of a mustang, doesnt mean that they are crap, it just means that I favor the other vehicle more.

t. I have a 3.8 in my car and I didn't have to replace the head gaskets until 80k miles.

Why did you have to replace the head gaskets so soon. I have a Park Ave with the 3.8 that has 193,000 on it and have never had to replace the head gaskets. Or is this the 3.8 that Ford makes.

thats why we put body kits on our cars so it'll create downforce equally on the car lol.. anyways it'll just push the back of the car down once ur going like 60mph n faster.. it wont' make the front of the car higher.. just the back lower.. and some people like the sound of an exhaust.. i wanted a deep sounded exhaust on my accord.. but i found out a majority of the "rice" exhausts actually make ur car slower

1. Im willing to bet very few of those body kits have been wind tunnel tested and proven to reduce drag and increase downforce.

2. On a FWD you want more traction over your drive wheels, that spoiler does nothing for you. During a drag launch your weight transfers to the back and your front wheels just spin. Do you really want to increase the weight over your rear wheels?

3. Getting an exhaust because you like the sound of it isnt wrong. Its your car and your money. The line ends there... too many people cross that line when they overestimate the gains of said exhaust, and consider their cars "sports cars" becuase they sound such a way.

Well, we had just gotten the car and I went over everything and checked them out and there was a problem in the gaskets; a bit of a defect, so I replaced it. It's the GM model. Like I say, it was a defective gasket, which come about every once in a while.

oh.

I am a Die hard American Classic enthusiast but I dont hate imports with a passion, I simply dislike them. My problem with hondas and other ricers is that They are so widely available, everyone and their little brother has one and because they sound like someone done pissed off a bumble bee. Also because all these kids get them put some plastic wheel covers on them and a 4 foot wing on the back and think their cool. One more thing for all you performance minded import owners and your sacred wings. Think about it, the point of a spoiler/wing is to increase downforce right? but all your imports with the exception of a few like the eagle talon are front wheel drive so putting more downforce on the back end thereby lifting the front end up will give you LESS traction NOT more Giant wings screw up Hondas they dont help them.

i like both import and american, and honda is known to last long, even lots of american car owners will admit that. why do they put wings on the proffesional import cars that race? moderator carrnuut has went over this plenty of times, wings are not bad, they actually help. i own a vr4 with a sticker on the side of it that says south bend clutch, and, i've blown the doors off many american cars. and why are people on here talking down on asians, as if there dumb. most the ricers around here are white, and lots of asians have 12 sec integra's. so what, does that mean to talk down on white's.

please people , no racism!! :nono:

i like both import and american, and honda is known to last long, even lots of american car owners will admit that. why do they put wings on the proffesional import cars that race? moderator carrnuut has went over this plenty of times, wings are not bad, they actually help. i own a vr4 with a sticker on the side of it that says south bend clutch, and, i've blown the doors off many american cars. and why are people on here talking down on asians, as if there dumb. most the ricers around here are white, and lots of asians have 12 sec integra's. so what, does that mean to talk down on white's.

please people , no racism!! :nono:
I agree, racism is just plain dumb, and besides that, all the Asian-Americans that I have met have been very knowledgable and intelligent. Stereotypes suck.

There actually is no need to get all excited over some fucking retarded crap like this. I formed my opinions because my dad has been a mechanic for over 15 years and a lot of the cars that come in the shop for huge repairs while having very low miles. I completely agree with your statement that car magazines have given GM heaps of praise over the last couple of months, but you have to understand that they always give their compliments in a kind of, "the new Buick so and so is cool, but" kind of way. I'm really sorry if you feel offended by my statements gonenuts15792, but the truth is, you can't deny the impact the Honda motor company has made on the cars of today. Even including fleet sales, the Taurus and Impala STILL don't outsell the Accord. That is a testament to quality engineering. As far as Bob Lutz is concerned, let's not bullshit ourselves here. Do you honestly expect one man to undo the damage caused by decades of mistakes? The new Malibu was supposed to be all about Lutz, and where is it's flair and excitement? As far as convincing me of the quality of GM products, we will have to see in the future. There are a lot of promising products in the GM pipeline. I am anxious to see how the new products stack up. But for now...the sad truth is that GM is behind the times. Also, I'm not ALL HONDA or anything, I think people have that wrong. I am currently lusting over the new Mustang and the upcoming Grand Am looks awesome. And after all who THE FUCK CARES WHAT YOU DRIVE????JUST DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!!!

I didn't find your post offending in anyway.

Good. It will be better for everyone involved. Bye.

WHY HONDAS SUCK - "ACCORD"ing

1) #1 stolen car in the world. The security system can be easily disabled by reaching underneath the fender in most civics and you can kiss your honda goodbye.
(I know 2 people that got their cars stolen, one had an accord and another friend of mine had a civic)

2) Aside from the Acura TL the interior looks... well pretty cheap and uh BASIC also not to mention NORMAL. Not exactly a Mercedes Benz in terms of luxury. Even the NSX cockpit cant compete to the looks of the cockpit in the Chevrolet Z06 or the Dodge Viper or Ferrari or Lamborghini. My friend has a 95 prelude and it looks basic and cheap. I showed him my 2000 Eclipse and his words were "Woa man, this is crazy! It's like a spaceship!" I guess it is a spaceship comparing to the cheap honda interior.

3) Hondas usually are not good for building a race car, unless you own AEM and drag race their 1500 HP Civic. At best you can add maybe 200 extra horses and that's with a turbo and other mods. Even the NSX has less than 300 horses and that's a supposed to be honda's top of the line car. I'll take a 1995 Mazda RX-7 Twin Turbo instead and modify it to 900 HP any day.

4) It's a car for your mom and not for you if you have a need for speed. I consider the Civic as a notch up from Geo Metro.

5) They can look so ricey I wish I had a gun to shoot myself than to see one in person. I would not be caught dead in one.

6) Honda owners usually boast about how powerful their "V-TEC" engines are. Yeah sure it is Variable Timed which makes the engine more efficient. Like if it is only a specialty trait of honda. Guess what the Lamborghini Diablo has the same thing only they call it Valve Timing Management. The 03-04 Eclipse GTS also comes in at 210 HP because they also have the same thing. "Yeah my integra has a powerful V-TEC engine. It's one of the best engines in the world!" two words sucka: LS6 and Twin Turbo 13B FD3S.

Heck I bet if you ask any kid with a civic and you ask them what V-TEC stands for 75% of them wont know! :rofl:

7) Hondas pretty much maintain their same normal and basic design and style. This years civic wont look that much different then the one coming out next year.

8) If you own one you are one of these: A lazy or fat person, someone who does'nt give a damn about style and drives anything on wheels, just needs a car to go to work, lives in a fantasy world thinking your are the fastest, more car for less money. Oh and dont forget to add a 8" muffler!

Temple of V-TEC Translation - Temple of RICERS

V alve
T imed
E ngine
C rap

What does Honda stand for?
H idious
O utside
N o
D amn
A cceleration

Their main purpose in this life for hondas is to get smoked in every category even their own.

dude whats wrong with you? PMS?

I think that I have a problem:banghead:...I hate hondas, but i like acuras. Thouogh i do admit some hondas are friggin sweet like the s2000 and the si hatchback. But I dont know whats the deal with that? Like the other guy said, as long as its fast its nice. and so far everything is basically nice.

MY problem is that ever ricer and there mama's mama has a civic. Everywhere i got i see a damn 'tricked-out' civic and there shit! I dunno... RSX is cool and S2000 are cool.. but i think Civic ruined it for me even thinking about buyin a Honda or Acura

dude, MelficeRSX, calm the fuck down. Jesus, it's only cars, there is no need to get all pmsy over gay shit. Calm the fuck down fag! Drive it and shut the fuck up.

He was just voicing his opinion... So you should both calm down..

thanks TechBandit, but I can handle my own. CHAVOCRAZY69 you are the fag here! you fucking bitch how and where the hell do you come from to talk shit like that? I bet you barley know shit about a honda...FUCKIN PANSEY! back off my nuts and hate hondas not my opinion!!!!!!!!!!:nono:

How can you say you "hate" Hondas so much, and have RSX on your name????? WTF? Just what the hell do you think an Acura is???? Find the dipshit Forum and post there. This forum is for REAL car people. People who KNOW the diff between cars.

This is rediculus your acting like a bunch of middle schoolers, all of you need to grow up. This site wasn't set up so you people could name call and bicker over pointless shit, now grow up or shut up. If you want to keep bickering like little kids, do it with private messages.

Hey thanks Z28Josh, and if I've offended anyone I'm sorry. I will try to grow up and stop this dumb bickering. No more arguing over Hondas. If you don't like Hondas then thats your opinion right? I don't like some cars, but I don't put my opinions all over a website. I'm done here.

Even tho thats what i said before... nicely put.