Whats your favorite skyline and why... mine is the r32 gts b/c if i ever get a skyline, it will be the r32 gts (because its the cheapest:D )

Screw cheapest, go with the best.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Screw cheapest, go with the best.
my thoughts exactly.

I picked the R32 GTR for a number of reasons, but foremost as it is the orginal Godzilla, lightest, nimblest of the lot. The R34 GTR is a close second though.

i was jus thinking, an r32 gtr with a 4wd sr20det and custom s15 headlights would be sooooooo cool.:flash:

Ahhh lets see the best....R34 GTR V spec II

Originally posted by jeelani
i was jus thinking, an r32 gtr with a 4wd sr20det and custom s15 headlights would be sooooooo cool.:flash:

This just blasphamy! :finger:

Sheesh anymore and the GTR gods will roll over in their beds and the thread will DIE :devil:

haha blasphamy?

I dunno, i wouldnt mind seeing a "silvia GTR", it would be kinda cool and unique.

I don't want this thread going off topic so I will be breif :)

no one in their right mind would bin an RB26DETT motor for an SR20DET. Usually they slot the RB26 mill into the silvia not the other way around.

I can't choose any of your poll options, unfortunately. My favourite would have to be the 280MR, next would be the R33GTS25t. After that it would be a toss-up between a number of models: 400R, R34GTR, or (just to be different) the old old KCPG whatever the hell it was (specially with an RB26 in it :D :D :D :D :D)

What about this skyline?:D


http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t11846.html

Sorry not a skyline.

Originally posted by RazorGTR
Sorry not a skyline.

yeah i know is not technically a skyline but is made by a renouned skyline tuner and it has the skyline engine and drivesystem only the chassis is diffrent so in a way is a super skyline.:)

dude you missed out on a whole lot of models.

My fave is the R32 GTS-4

Originally posted by RazorGTR
no one in their right mind would bin an RB26DETT motor for an SR20DET.
I don't think he was being serious.

With all do respect to all of you skyline lovers.....I could fix that car. It's a hard job and would take about a month. Ordering custom parts from nismo isn't that hard and you can re build the drivetrain and piece back the chassi. The engine is ok if it has been displaced in the bay, if the block is dented you'll have better luck buying another RB26 then trying to replace the block and switching the crank/cams, piston heads and use the better timing chain from the two. It one monster of a job but it is possible. Resheeting the shell will have to be done buy a professional fabricator, I could try it but the tools and matierals would never pay for them selfs. The front differential I beleave is located on the left side, most likly it was crack againest the engine in the crash. Intieror is easy to replace, they need better seats anyways and you can customize the dash and central electronics anyway you want anyways so after two months of some TLC and too many late nighters to count, if you do it right, you should have a finished product. If anyone wants some indepth instructions and how to's on starting and finishing a project like this just leave your e-mail on this thread and i'll point you in the right direction.

P.S. I posted this as a new thread instead of a reply so who ever reads this, please forget about the new thread, it has the same post but please don't reply to other thread, lets keep the convorsation here in this thread. Thanks..........and keep those tires hot!

I would say R32 GTR or R34 GTR V-SPECII N1 Nur.
In white with the black Carbon Fibre bonnet it looks crazy straight out of the dealership.
Mid 12 quarter miles standard

superstreetcar...

are you talking about the blue one that was pictured, or the one from ebay?

the one from ebay was totalled, and would never gain back it's original structural integrity... assuming that's what you're talking about ...

but your reply doesn't correspond with the topic at hand...


for anyone that's interested...

i'm one of the r33 gtr votes...

r34 is so hyped up and is loved by everyone, but it weighs a bit more... i like r32s, but for some reason, i just dig the r33 bodystyle...

I was speaking of the the skyline being sold on ebay. It is fixable, I have restored cars before, it's just a matter of time and money. I forgot to put this in my last post but someone said something about the R32 being more nimble (handeling wise) than the other two. If the truth be told, it's not, it had a big understeer problem. It had pretty bad body turn in, it would have the initial body sway, then it would pitch into major understeer at high speeds. Yes it was lighter than the R34 but only by 200lbs. The newer electronical systems in the R34 are by far better than that in a R32. The R34 has much better handeling than the R32, they all have there problems. I havn't seen a skyline i think is the "my favorite". I dislike the RB26, It's way to heavy for a 2.6L I-6. The iorn block is great for taking on mass HP/torque. In my eye it's out of date. I'm happy to see the the new VQ go into the skyline, it's a great racing engine!

uh hello the skyline that you are talking about is in this thread......http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t85609.html

I was speaking of the the skyline being sold on ebay. It is fixable, I have restored cars before, it's just a matter of time and money. I forgot to put this in my last post but someone said something about the R32 being more nimble (handeling wise) than the other two. If the truth be told, it's not, it had a big understeer problem. It had pretty bad body turn in, it would have the initial body sway, then it would pitch into major understeer at high speeds. Yes it was lighter than the R34 but only by 200lbs. The newer electronical systems in the R34 are by far better than that in a R32. The R34 has much better handeling than the R32, they all have there problems. I havn't seen a skyline i think is the "my favorite". I dislike the RB26, It's way to heavy for a 2.6L I-6. The iorn block is great for taking on mass HP/torque. In my eye it's out of date. I'm happy to see the the new VQ go into the skyline, it's a great racing engine!

Car is beyond repair.

R32 and understeer, what suspension are we talking? You do know they have the ability to tune the suspension as well:) How many R32 have you drivin?

Do you have pics of your R34, I would love to see them.

I would like to know what he is talking about. My 32 does not do that. I know the electronics are better on the newer cars you would expect that. That doesn't automatically make it a better handling car.

superstreetcar please stay on topic in the threads. Those comments should have been made in there.

Sorry I can't resist commenting on this off topic...er... topic.

SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr,

This car is totaled, end of story. You would be hard pressed to find a panel on this vehicle that is not wrecked or at least tweaked. If only reskinning the car was the issue... this particular vehicle has had it's entire unit body skeleton demolished.

These newer unit body cars are built like a couragated cardboard box. There strength comes from the form and shape of the tack-welded metal sheets that all work together as a whole. Once you grossly disturb the structure there is no bringing it back. It would be like sitting on a cardboard-box and crushing it, then straightening it back out again and refolding it back to it's original shape. The major side panels have been bent and creased ruining their original structural integrity. This is further complicatd by the fact that seams, welds, and bonded joints have been compromised, sometimes in areas hidden by the structure itself.

On top of all this is the fact that the transmission tunnel, roof, cowl/firewall structure, and rear firewall comprise the very backbone of this car. These peices are severly distorted. There is no way to pull or push these members back to their original shapes. Therefore replacing these would essentially mean replacing the entire unit body skeleton.

As for the engine and tranny, I will refer to my original post on those. By the way, I thought the RB26DETT engine had a cast iron block. In which case cast iron doesn't dent it fractures.

Summary: This car is scrap. Maybe the ashtray and tail lights are still salvagable?

AL

Originally posted by flylwsi
superstreetcar...

are you talking about the blue one that was pictured, or the one from ebay?

the one from ebay was totalled, and would never gain back it's original structural integrity... assuming that's what you're talking about ...

but your reply doesn't correspond with the topic at hand...


for anyone that's interested...

i'm one of the r33 gtr votes...

r34 is so hyped up and is loved by everyone, but it weighs a bit more... i like r32s, but for some reason, i just dig the r33 bodystyle...

r33 isnt aggressive enough (appereance wise). The R34 is wild. If i was to spend all that money, i would want something wild looking. I would want a car that even ppl who dont know anything about cars would think is amazing. If the average person saw an r33, he would think it was jus another maxima/accord/camry type car, if u know what i mean.

hey everyone, post some pictures of some cool skylines

R34 looks like a squared up family car, not cool in the slightest bit.

R33 with the right body kit can look the business.

R32 looks like a proper high performance sports car, very sleek, and more aerodynamic. IMO of course, to each his own.

For your reference

More R32s

And one last one.

Hey SkylineUSA

Is that a model (the last white one)? Sure looks like one. What type of body kit is that if its real? I dig those side vents.

No, its not a model. Here is the link http://www.kakimotoracing.co.jp/06-01_kr32.html . Its a bad ass kit. Between the Do-Luck and Kakimotot would be a tough choice.

Ya the Do-Luck kit is the one i was going to install when i get the car back but im having second thoughts now thanks to you... hehe.

Do you know a source in the USA that could get it?

I can not find a sourse out side of Japan for that kit, plus the damn body kit will kill a lot of dead presidents, I mean a lot. I would think in the neighborhood of 15k-18k when it would be said and done.

Go with the Do-Luck :D

mrsky, do u have any pictures of your car (i see ur icon but its very small)

Wow! 15k!! Umm hehe ok maaaaaybe not. The doluck is still subtle yet aggressive. so ill stick with that. Although i think i might use the Top Secret front.

Top Secret R32 (http://www.topsecretjpn.com/aerokit/32-33R/bnr32.html)
More like stock with the Nismo style ducts integrated and the side vents for brake cooling i assume.

JeeLanim,

heres a side shot.

and heres an engine shot...
the white tank is alcohol injection
and the black thing after the filter... well thats my secret way to bring full boost at 2700rpm...

and the black thing after the filter... well thats my secret way to bring full boost at 2700rpm...

Wud you tell me what the secret is if I say that you have a really nice GTR there? Really...sweet ride man...:cool: Now, cud you pls tell me the secret? Need prompt boost here....:D

i like the way the r32 looks, it jus looks a little "old" or outdated. The r33 is too rounded and the r34 is too boxy.:mad:

o yeah mrsky, i love the skyline:D

This is a nice one
http://www.upimports.com.au/Downloads/Wallpaper/Wallpaper_01.jpg

Yep, that is a very good looking family car.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Yep, that is a very good looking family car.


did you just call the r34 gtr a family car.:biggrin2: :badass: :huh: :greenchai :stormzap: :machinegu :twoguns:

I am sorry, I should have said nice looking boxie family car:)

when i hear the word "GTR", i automatically think "R34". The R34 is a little too boxy, but the other ones are not extreme enough. If they could make the r34 a little more rouded like the r33 and smaller like the r32, it would be the bomb (lol im bringing the phrase "the bomb" back)

If you knew the history of the car, GTR would mean Godzilla.

Godzilla means R32 GTR:D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
If you knew the history of the car, GTR would mean Godzilla.

Godzilla means R32 GTR:D

Yeah... i dont know anything about the history. Why are r32's praised so much? What makes them better than others? Personally I think the r34 looks the best (i like the tail lights of the r33 better tho). but why do people always talk about "Godzilla" How did it get this name?

Read my friend.

May 1989

Magazines preview the R32 model range. Even one month prior to release, the Australian press think the new model will share a v6 powerplant with the Infiniti range.

July 1989

One month after the R32 launch in Japan. The GT-R is covered, and a Group A version is pondered, the Australian press not realising the first 500 GT-R's built are in fact the homologation build run.

October 1989

Gibson Motorsport take delivery of four R32 GT-R road cars from Japan. Gibson Motorsport has been recognised by Nissan Japan for their efforts with the previous HR31 GTS-R Skylines. Gibson Motorsport are the only team outside of Japan to get GT-R's at such an early stage. Initial plans are to disable the HICAS 4 wheel steering system until the rest of the car is sorted. Due to homologation, they can run the cars either with HICAS or without.

The homologated weight is 1260kg, which is still heavier than the Ford RS500 Sierra at 1185kg. Gibson expects the first engines to have an output of 600hp – much more than the HR31 GTS-R's RB20DET-R which pushed out 460hp in 1989, and 370hp in 1988.

Fred Gibson flew to Japan in mid October with Nissan Motorsport Manager Paul Beranger, engineers Trevor Jones and Andrew Bartley to inspect the first GT-R race car built by Nissan Japan.

The Gibson team invest AU$300,000 - AU$400,000 in a sophisticated telemetry system in anticipation for the GT-R development programme.

Anders Olofsson (Swedish) becomes the first western driver to sample the Nissan GT-R prototype race cars. He reports that he has driven two GT-R race cars, the first has been around since May 1989 and has been a homologation development "mule", with the second being the prototype race car. The development car was built to test engines, transmissions, suspension, and cooling systems. It was equipped with sophisticated instruments. Both cars were trailed with Bridgestone and Dunlop tyres. As a side note, the Gibson Motorsport team were contracted with Yokohama.

November 1989

Australian's see a burgundy GT-R used as the official pace car at the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide.

March 1990

The GT-R is officially homologated for Group A racing on 1 March.

April 1990

Gibson Motorsport roll out their first GT-R for a shakedown at Winton raceway on 11 April. Engineers from Japan and England join the team for the shakedown. Mark Skaife does the driving duties, while Jim Richards drives the current HR31 GTS-R as a measuring stick. Gibson had pulled the car's debut back because of parts supply issues. Nissan Japan sent four engineers from their experimental department to help Gibson Motorsport build the first car. All the parts arrived in assemblies eg. front suspension, engine and gearbox.

At the Winton test, the engine used was a unit sent over from Japan. It used a Japanese management system which restricted boost to 1.3 bar and power was about 550hp. The Gibson Motorsport team intended to replace the Japanese management system with their own Electromotive system and run higher boost, around 1.5 bar for 580hp.

Hollinger are commissioned to design and build a 6 speed gearbox for the GT-R. Nissan Japan decided they would also use the Hollinger box and placed their order.

During the shakedown, the team experimented with different EPROMS in the 4WD system. They started out with 45% front bias, and have different EPROMS to deliver 10, 20, 30% splits. [I'm unsure if the system uses EPROMS, perhaps it's a bit of bogus information in the report]

Wheels magazine staffer Peter McKay joins the Gibson team at Mallala for a test session. McKay is lined up to have a drive of the prototype - but the car breaks two half shafts, and the team have to wait for spares to arrive from Japan. A later test session takes place at Calder. McKay reports the Electromotive management system is in place, as is the first of the Australian built engines – the power output is quoted at 520hp with 1.2 bar boost, and 576hp (429kw) / 410nm with 1.8 bar boost. Tyres are 11 inches wide, and run at about 5 degrees of negative camber.

McKay reports the car is easy to drive, with a light clutch and a smooth power delivery (unlike the previous HR31 and DR30 that he has driven). The car has four electric coolers for the front diff, rear diff, transfer case, and the gearbox.

June 1990

The GT-R race car has it's competition debut at Mallala on 8 June 1990. Mark Skaife is the driver. The decision to use Mark Skaife was due to Jim Richards' points position in the Australian touring car championship – it was thought that having Jim debut the new car would jeopardise him winning the championship if anything went wrong.

The GT-R used Japanese wheels that cost the Gibson team AU$2,000 each, and only last one race – this is just one example of how important it was to develop local content for the GT-R programme.

During unofficial practice on the Friday, Skaife was under the lap record by 2.4 seconds, and was 1 second quicker than the fastest Sierra (Brock). The reported power output was 585hp or 436kw.

Saturday qualifying saw the car was sidelined briefly when a left front hub failed, damaging an oil cooler, the brakes, and causing the wheel to depart. The car was quickly repaired, and Skaife was able to qualify third on the grid.

Skaife started out of the third grid position, and was able to get into the lead on the 10th lap. The car retired about lap 20 with another broken left front hub.

Jim Richards takes over the car at the next ATC round at Wanneroo (24 June 1990) – he had to finish in front of Dick Johnson to keep his title aspirations alive. Both he and Mark Skaife were cross entered in the GT-R and the GTS-R. The team were still fiddling with the 4WD splits, and an engine management problem that saw the motor to over-fuel and misfire during qualifying. Jim managed to qualify 4th on the grid. The GT-R had a new engine transplanted and all the electronics replaced after qualifying on the Saturday night.

At the start of the race, Jim launched into second place. The decision to put Jim in the GT-R was justified when Skaife broke a half shaft in the GTS-R on the startline. Jim was overtaken and pushed back to 4th on the road for most of the race, eventually finishing in 4th 50 minutes later. Dick Johnson meanwhile had crashed out with a broken brake calliper taking out the right front wheel.

July 1990

Sansui come on board as a major sponsor for Gibson Motorsport, the money rumoured to be around AU$1,000,000.

George Fury (long time Gibson Motorsport driver) departs the team.

The final ATC round at Oran park (July 15 1990) saw Jim attempt to secure his ATC championship. The GT-R again proving troublesome during the qualifying sessions, needing a turbo downpipe replaced and a diff change that took 6 hours. Jim qualified first, a tenth of a second in front of Dick Johnson. At the start of the race, Jim lead with a couple of car lengths and soon drew it out to a 3 second margin back to second place by lap 2. By about lap 20, the gap was out to 20 seconds and building. Jim took the flag, still leading by a fair margin.

August 1990

The Bathurst entry list is released. Nissan enter only one car – the pairing of Jim Richards and Mark Skaife, the second car couldn't be completed due to parts supply problems. As a side note, the name "Godzilla" is yet to surface – Gibson Motorsport and the press refer to the GT-R as "The Weapon"

September 1990

Gibson Motorsport miss the Sandown 500 race. The rest of the entries to the race was slim, with most of the major teams entering only one car.

The Bathurst previews predict that the GT-R will be hampered by it's weight, stressing components like brakes and suspension. Only in Japan had GT-R's had any endurance testing, locally the GT-R was still an unknown as to how it would do over 1,000 km.

October 1990

The GT-R debut at Bathurst.

The Gibson Motorsport team arrives at Bathurst with two GT-R's, with four spare engines, four differentials (two front, two rear), spare gearboxes, 30 wheels, 150 tyres, and 20 team members. 10 members remained at the Melbourne base in case of emergency.

The GT-R destined for the race was brand new, it was still a bodyshell when the existing GT-R won at Oran park. The other GT-R was the championship winning car – it was to be used for testing to keep wear and tear on the new car to a minimum.

Early qualifying saw the GT-R hampered with bad brake problems. The team experimented with different wheel cylinder and master cylinder sizes, front to rear. Skaife had many spins off the track as the ideal balance was worked out. Jim Richards eventually qualified the car with a disappointing 2m 15.66 seconds for 11th on the grid – in two wheel drive mode! The electronics had packed a sad leaving the car with only the rears driving.

The race itself was a different picture – by the end of lap 1 the GT-R was up to 8th and in the second lap was a second faster than any other car in the field. Jim blasted by the leading Niedzwiedz Sierra going up Mountain straight on lap 10, waving as he went past. By lap 20, the GT-R had extended the lead to 20 seconds. By this time Fred Gibson was on the radio telling Jim to back off.

Jim responded by going one second a lap quicker. When the lead was out to 32 seconds, the pace was relaxed to 2m 19s a lap.

The first pitstop for the GT-R was on lap 34 when Jim bought the car in for new brake pads, fuel, tyres and Mark Skaife to take over the driving duties. The stop took 1m 30s, far longer than most of the other leading teams. By lap 40, the GT-R was back up to 6th place on the road. It was back in the lead by lap 58 thanks to some of the leading cars pitting.

Three hours into the race, the GT-R was still running, and still in the lead. Skaife bought the car into the pits on lap 72 for a scheduled stop for brake pads, fuel, Jim, and something that was pumped into the cooling system. The stop took 2m 22 seconds – another long stop. The car rejoined the race in 9th position.

On lap 95, the Nissan came in with a diff problem that sidelined the car for 25 minutes. It rejoined, but 13 laps later returned with a misfire – an electrode had "fallen off" one of the sparkplugs. After the stop, Mark Skaife set a new lap record of 2m 15.46 seconds. The car continued to the end of the race with no further problems, finishing 18th, 15 laps behind the winning Percy / Grice Commodore.

November 1990

The Group A circus moves to Adelaide to support the GP. Skaife rolls one of the GT-R's and suffers bruising. [I'm missing details on this event]

The Eastern Creek raceway opens with the Nissan 500 endurance race for Group A cars. Most of the Bathurst teams enter. Qualifying was interesting as the track surface was "green" and some of the drivers found it difficult to master the new track.

The GT-R qualified on pole with a 1m 35.26 second lap. Skaife is scheduled to share the drive with Richards - but due to Skaife's bruised condition, Neil Crompton is pencilled in as a potential relief driver. The team experimented with spring and sway bar changes to get the best from the hard "S" compound Yokohama tyres.

In the race Richards sprinted away and had a 50 meter lead by turn two. The car lead strongly until lap 21 when it lost the left hand front wheel. Jim bought it into the pits, where another wheel was fitted. The car rejoined in 11th position. Lap 51 saw the GT-R back in the pits for a driver change to Skaife. The GT-R had lost all it's coolant due to a split bore or blown head gasket. Despite the teams attempts the engine wouldn't restart and the car was put away.

The major teams made the trip over to New Zealand for the Nissan Mobil 500 series at Wellington and Pukekohe.

Wellington [Missing details] won by a European BMW M3

Pukekohe got off to a slow start after Wellington – the track was still undergoing work being bought up to international standards, pushing the Friday practice session to Saturday morning.

Overnight rain saw the conditions as wet (we bogged the Fairmont doing donuts in the car park). Skaife did the morning session, with the team mucking around with the suspension. My main memory of his session was the GT-R doing a huge backfire - leaving a smoking patch on the track.

Mark Skaife and Jim Richards qualified third on the grid behind Dick Johnson (who lost two engines on Saturday) and Brock, both in Sierra RS500's. In the race it took Skaife two laps to get past the Sierras. The Nissan game-plan called for the car to pull a 30 second lead, and then settle into a more relaxed pace. By lap 23, the GT-R's lead was out to 20 seconds over Brock. We were entertained with the DJR RS500 blowing intercooler hoses off multiple times, and another Sierra smacking into a kerb.

The GT-R kept leading until lap 32 when Skaife reported a loss of power – one of the turbos had blown. The car was retired. The European BMW M3's also expired within a couple of laps, one with a blown engine, and the other with accident damage. The Brock Sierra cruised to the finish and took the flag.

There was a good interview with Fred Gibson published in Auto Action which gives some interesting insights: In Japan, the top GT-R teams are reported to have reached the 600hp mark in competition, up from 570hp that most of them have been running with. The main problem with the Australian developed GT-R's were brakes, the cylinder bore or block cracking and the turbos. For 1991 the rules were relaxed on brakes, so that problem could be more easily worked through. The blocks had been cracking due to a harmonic in the engine – up until Pukekohe the team had been using a block every race. New engine mounts were used to cure this. The turbo failures were blamed on quality control at Garret – the Gibson team invested in their own balancing machine so they could assemble their own turbos instead of buying complete units from Garret in Japan.

January 1991

A bit of background is needed here as the 1993 rule change was essentially influenced by these events and conditions.

The CAMS motorsport body was in trouble. It was running out of money, and needed restructuring. To compound the issue, there was a general downturn in the economy. CAMS responded by charging large registration fees of AU$6,000 per car for the ATC, and tracks were charged AU$10,000 to host a round. In addition, because the Group A format was administered by FISA in Europe, the regulations were hard to work with. This had caused delays in getting the new VN Group A Commodore homologated for competition.

The rules were revised for the 1991 season aiming to keep the fields even. The Sierra's had 85kg removed from their minimum weight, bringing them down to 1,100kg. They also got a six speed gearbox. The Commodores also lost some weight – 75kg down to 1250kg, and a host of freedoms including the entire inlet system, the valves and ports were free, and the inner wheel guards could be modified to fit wider tyres. The BMW M3 was allowed to run similar freedoms as the Commodores, at a featherweight 960kg. The GT-R had it's minimum weight increased to 1360kg. [the reporting of weights is not consistent – the homologation weight of the GT-R was 1260kg, yet the press report an increase of 35kg from 1325kg. Go figure]

In April, the minimum weights are further revised with an across the board increase of 2.5% in all cars. This was done so the private teams didn't have to resort to expensive exotic materials to reach the same weights as the factory teams.

The season looked like being a difficult one – the entries were well down, with a core group of 12 cars contesting all rounds, and very small fields. Even at this stage there was talk of making a full grid at Bathurst by allowing the standard Group E production cars to join the Group A race.

February 1991

The first round of the ATC at Sandown. Jim Richards qualified on pole, with Mark Skaife 0.04 seconds behind. Skaife was complaining of some problems. Behind them it was wall to wall Sierra's, now a little faster with their new 6 speed gearboxes and lighter minimum weight. The field was small, only 19 cars on the grid.

The race itself was over with a minute of it starting. Jim and Mark blasted off the start line and had a 20 meter lead over the next car on the track. On lap 2, Jim laid down a new lap record – 1m 15.70 seconds – quicker than the fastest of the Sierra's by 1.31 seconds. Ouch.

One interesting moment occurred at the three quarter mark in the race – the new BMW M3 of Tony Longhurst demonstrated it's future potential by out braking Skaife going into a corner while Skaife was attempting to lap the slower M3. The GT-R's crossed the finish line for a 1-2 result, Richards leading Skaife.

March 1991

The second round of the ATC at Symmons Plains. Qualifying made for an interesting race – Jim qualified on pole by a huge margin of more than 2 seconds, helped by damp conditions. Mark had damaged his GT-R in practice and was at the back of the grid in 13th. The economy and stiff registration fees were having their impact on the size of the field – the privateers could no longer afford to compete in the ATC. Win Percy put his Commodore alongside the GT-R on the front row, the first time in 5 years that a Commodore has made the front row of a ATC grid.

By this time, there was a fairly unified plea from the other drivers to CAMS to slow the Skylines down – the results so far were crushing to say the least. CAMS sat on their hands for the moment. Some of the teams resorted to using non-homologated add-ons to their cars: huge brake cooling ducts, fins on wheels etc. The touring car entrants association moved to have a cleanup of the cars – the ducts disappeared from some of the Sierra's and the Nissan's had to raise the height of some coolers that protruded below the front spoiler.

The start of the race was cautions with a bit of pushing and barging at the front. Jim was able to establish a 4 second gap back to Johnson by lap 8. Skaife meantime was working his way through the field, and by lap 24 was behind Richards, making another Nissan 1-2 formation finish.

April 1991

The third round of the ATC at Wanneroo April 14. The touring car circus made it's way over to Western Australia. Only 11 cars fronted for the race. Expecting to be humbled by the GT-R's again most teams had spent the time between Symmons Plains and Wanneroo testing and reducing weight in their cars.

Dick Johnson managed to qualify his Sierra on pole, with Win Percy's Commodore alongside. Jim Richards was one row back in third, suffering from understeer, which also afflicted Mark Skaife back in 6th position on the grid. 1.48 seconds separated the first and last cars on the grid after qualifying, even though the field was small - it was close. Some of the other teams assumed the Gibson team were sandbagging – to hide the potential of the cars. Jim explained "There are lots of high speed changes in direction here and with a full load of fuel the car has inherent understeer characteristics". During qualifying, both cars had spins off into the sand, and were able to simply drive out thanks to their 4WD.

At the start, Dick launched his Sierra perfectly, Percy was slower and jumped in behind the fast starting Sierra – this blocked Jim in, leaving Skaife with an open track ahead. Skaife basted through and took up second position on the road. Johnson pulled out a 2 second lead back to Skaife, Percy and Richards. Skaife grabbed the lead when Johnson's Sierra lost water and power. On lap 10, Richards slipped past Percy to make another GT-R 1-2. By lap 30 they were 6 seconds clear of the cars behind them. Mark lead Jim across the line.

AMSCAR at Ameroo, April 21. The AMSCAR series is made up of short sprint races of 10 laps each, very different to the 50 minute ATC touring car rounds. The Gibson Motorsport team entered one GT-R for Mark Skaife. In qualifying, the GT-R struggled with understeer, but still claimed pole position - and still faster than any other Group A car had ever lapped Ameroo Park.

At the start, Skaife blasted away and set a blistering pace. By lap two he was 2 seconds clear of the second placed car, and claimed a new lap record of 51.16s. Skaife took the flag with a 16.3 second gap back to Tony Longhurst in the M3.

The second race start was a carbon copy of the first. Skaife got away to a good start – but was unable to extend his lead further than 1.7 seconds over Longhurst. Skaife lead until lap 5 when a bad misfire developed – Skaife said "I could have got out and run alongside, it was going so slow". The car made it back to the pits and retired.

Lakeside April 28 Round 4 of the ATC. The Lakeside track in Queensland is home track to several teams so it was anticipated there would be better competition for the Skylines. In qualifying Jim planted his GT-R on pole in front of Tony Longhurst. Skaife was back in row two in 3rd position.

At the start of the race Richards lead , and Skaife was up to second by the end of the first lap (yet another 1-2). Richard had lapped the entire field up to 5th position, behind him Skaife held a 9 second gap back to the third placed BMW M3 of Longhurst. This was the way they finished.

The name Godzilla is used in race reports – starting the widespread acceptance and use of the term.

May 1991

Round 5 at Winton in rural Victoria. Qualifying was a repeat of earlier rounds with Jim putting the GT-R on pole. He revealed his secret "It's simple. You just go as fast as you can without slipping off the track". Skaife listened and ran off the track into the dirt many times in an effort to go faster. He ended up in 5th position on the grid.

At the start of the race Jim assumed the lead off the start line. Skaife decided to use the grass beside the track as an alternate route and pushed his way to 3rd giving Percy's Commodore a hit on the way. Some of the field were smothered in dust from Skaife's launch which caused them to hesitate and bunch up. Skaife made his way into second position on lap 12. The Nissan 1-2 continued to the flag, Richards leading Skaife over the line.


June 1991

Round 6 Amaroo Park June 2. By now things were looking a bit glum for the ATC – The GT-R's had dominated the first 5 rounds and finishing in 1-2 formation at each. More work was needed to match the pace of the GT-R's.

Dick Johnson had some trick Japanese Dunlop tyres to try – the head of development from Dunlop Japan had flown in to watch. The tyres worked - Dick Johnson and John Bowe made the first all Sierra front row in a while. Skaife made 3rd on the grid trying harder tyres to counter the GT-R's tendency to understeer in and oversteer out of corners. In contrast, Jim ventilated his GT-R's block when a conrod bolt failed, forcing him to start from last position on the grid. "It will be fun" he commented.

At the start, both Sierra's got away to a good start side by side – preventing Skaife from getting past them. On the first lap, Richards passed 8 cars to move from 22nd to 14th on the road. Meanwhile Bowe was blocking Skaife while team boss Johnson pulled out a handy 2 second lead after 4 laps. After a while, Skaife was able to use his superior traction to get past Bowe's Sierra coming out of a sharp corner. By lap six the lead was cut to a second, two laps later Richards was up to 8th and carving through the field fast. On lap 10 Skaife was able to overtake Johnson and take the lead. Johnson was quickly taken as well by Tony Longhurst in the rapid M3.

Longhurst applied lots of pressure to Skaife from lap 15 to 28 when Tony was able to dive up the inside of the GT-R and take the lead. By lap 36 Richards was up to 4th on the road, loosing a little time with a huge powerslide. Jim was able to make it up to 3rd after overtaking Bowe whose tyres had expired. Skaife repeated the same powerslide mistake a couple of laps later - allowing Jim to slip into 2nd place. Jim set out with 5 laps remaining to catch the BMW. Richards got to within 1.6 seconds of the M3 – but Longhurst took the flag making the first car other than a GT-R to win a round of the ATC. Tony later confessed "The last 10 laps went on forever and when I realised it was Jim and not Mark in my mirrors, I sh1t myself"

Round 7 Mallala June 23 bought some interesting developments. The Gibson Motorsport team was still short of sponsorship, and at that stage they may have had to cut back to one car in 1992. Jim Richards was reportedly in discussion with TWR and Win Percy about a possible move to Holden at the end of the year. In response, Fred Gibson swapped Jim's faster car with Mark's – the official team line was that it was for testing and set-up purposes for the endurance races later in the year. Political darts.

Skaife qualified on pole, with Richards alongside. In the race, they both got clean starts and took off in typical GT-R style. By the fifth lap, the GT-R's were lapping one second quicker than any other car in the field. By lap 20 the gap was the full length of the back straight between Richards and the pursuing Glen Seton Sierra.

The finish wasn't a formation – Skaife crossed the line 20 seconds ahead of Richards, and a further 3 seconds back to Longhurst.

Early June saw a series of options from the CAMS motor racing commission to hobble the GT-R for 1992. Among the recommendations were ideas such as forcing the cars to run in rear wheel drive only, to put restrictors in front of the turbos like the WRC cars, to reduce the tyre width (so the GT-R had the same amount of driven rubber on the road as a rear drive – making 5 ½" tyres all round!). Not surprisingly, Gibson Motorsport and Nissan threatened legal action. CAMS then asked Gibson to produce a counter proposal to bring the GT-R's performance back to the rest of the field.

According to reports at the time, Gibson had been testing the various options – at Wanneroo the air restrictors were in place for the qualifying, but not the race. They also tested the car in rear wheel drive mode with the front drive shafts removed. Lap times at Winton were 2 seconds slower with the 2WD. Fred Gibson points out the cars were built to meet the rules and should not be penalised for doing a good job.

July 1991

Round 8 Lakeside July 14. This was quite a rare event – a circuit hosting two rounds of the ATC. The development work done to the cars was graphically illustrated by Mark Skaife claiming pole going 1 second faster than the lap record he set back in April. The team experimented with different compound Yokohamas as well as hard and soft suspension settings. The cars were quicker with a hard suspension despite Lakeside's bumpy surface. There was some controversy when Skaife spun off the track blistering the soft tyres fitted. Gibson got the go-ahead from officials to replace the tyres with a new set, making some rivals unhappy [Shell series rules at that time were to qualify and race on one set of marked tyres]

Jim qualified third on the grid after a minor off during his hot lap.
During the race warm up, the GT-R's ran quite a few laps at race pace – and people were wondering about the durability of the soft compound tyres the team had chosen to use.

At the race start the GT-R's used their proven 7,800 rpm clutch dumps to rocket off the line, Jim getting past Brock for second before the first corner. By the 4th lap Skaife and Richard were 2.36 seconds clear of Brock back in 3rd. The Sierra couldn't maintain the pace and began to drop back with a blistering rear tyre. By lap 12, the GT-R's were 7 seconds clear of Longhurst's BMW M3 who had just overtaken Brock. The BMW pushed hard and eventually got the gap to the leading GT-R's down to 3.81 seconds – making the Nissan's drive harder than intended. Skaife pulled into the pits for fresh rubber, rejoining in 6th. One lap later, Longhurst drove around the outside of Jim's GT-R into a corner to take the lead. Richards pulled into the pits for new tyres, rejoining in 5th – Skaife was now 4th on the track. Both Skaife and Richards were able to pass Glen Seton's Sierra to make it into 3rd and 4th. Skaife claimed a new lap record 53.16, but soon began to slow with a misfire attributed to a fouled plug - Richards overtaking Skaife on lap 45. Longhurst and Alan Jones (both BMW M3's) crossed the line ahead of Richards and Skaife.

With a 3rd place, Jim had claimed the title in the slower of the two GT-R's. If Skaife had crossed the line in front – the title fight would have gone onto the next round. The rumours of Jim Richards leaving for Holden were put to rest when he signed with Gibson Motorsport for another two years pending sponsorship.

Thursday 25 July 1991 – The Bob Forbes owned GIO team take delivery of the first privateer GT-R. The car had been build by Gibson Motorsport as a customer car. One major issue that impacted the GIO GT-R was tyres. They were unable to get the Yokohamas that the factory GT-R's used, so were limited to using Japanese Dunlops. In Japan, there was a major tyre "war" going on with stiff competition in the Japanese Group A scene. As a result Dunlop Japan wouldn't supply their best tyres to the GIO team for fear that the GIO team's close ties to Gibson's team would see bitter rival Yokohama get their hands on the trick Dunlops!

The team were able to get about 50 laps of shakedown testing done before the final AMSCAR round at Amaroo, Mark Skaife helping to set the new car up. Gibbs commented that the Nissan people claimed it had no lag, but compared to his previous Group A VN Commodore, he could feel lag.

Longhurst grabbed pole, with Gibbs back in 3rd spot, still getting to grips with the new car.

The first race start was interesting: Gibbs making a demon start "I could not believe it, it just shot off the line. I was past Tony before he had even moved". He had been told to stand on the gas for maximum revs and dump the clutch. "I don't like working the engine like that, but that's what they told me, and that's what I did." By the first corner he was one second clear of the Longhurst M3. Mark Gibbs managed to hold the lead for the first lap, bit on the second was taken by Longhurst in an outbraking manoeuvre. Gibbs blasted past for the lead once more, but was again taken by Tony on lap 4. Over the next six laps the pair raced side by side, swapping the lead twice with Longhurst managing to take the flag by 0.2 of a second from Gibbs.

Race two saw a similar start for Gibbs, another launch from the second row and he was in the lead by the first corner. Gibbs kept the lead on lap two, with Longhurst nearly alongside. On lap 3 the BMW grabbed the lead for a few brief seconds before the Gibbs GT-R muscled past. Longhurst managed to get past on lap 7, and kept the lead up to the flag – winning by 0.36 of a second from Gibbs.

Overseas in Europe, the Nissan GT-R's dominate the Spa 24 hour classic. The Group A entry of Anders Olofsson / David Brabham / Naoki Hattori qualified on pole and lead the race from start to finish. The GT-R had a one minute lead before the end of the first hour. By the early morning - the GT-R was clear by three laps, eventually winning by a crushing 21 laps from the Porsche Carerra 2 in second. In the Group N class for standard production cars, the Nissan GT-R's finished 1-2. All three of the GT-R's crossed the finish line in formation.


August 1991

The final ATC Round, Oran Park August 11. Skaife claimed pole – he was simply faster than any other car in all the practice and qualifying sessions. The car was badly affected with a "pig-routing" exit to one of the off camber corners, the shock absorber rebound getting the blame. Team manager Fred planned to return here to experiment with suspension in the near future. Jim was a little slower in 3rd spot on the grid after similar handling problems to Skaife – at one stage the car scraped a wall after it jumped sideways. 9th on the grid was the GIO GT-R, Gibbs commenting he needed more time in the car. During practice he was able to lower his lap times by 2.5 seconds as he got used to the GT-R.

Skaife demonstrated the GT-R's launching capability once again, leading off the line. Jim however was a little slower off the mark and kept his 3rd position. Gibbs was squeezed back to 11th on the track in the opening corner scrap. At the end of the first lap – Skaife was nearly three seconds clear of the second placed Sierra of Bowe. There was a huge battle between Bowe, Richards and Brock for the second position, Brock managing to get past Richards. The Commodore was doing quite well with some special Bridgestone tyres and a fresh race motor (it was the fastest car down the front straight all weekend).

Further back Gibbs was baulked when he was faced with a RS500 hatch falling from the sky – Johnson had clashed with Percy's Commodore and the complete rear hatch had been torn off and hurled skywards. Jim was able to make it back to 3rd after Bowe's car started to develop a misfire, both Brock and Richards got past the slowing Sierra. Jim overtook Brock for second place, but shortly afterwards the GT-R's engine expired leaving oil everywhere. Jim later explained that the engine had done 2,000 km, and the failure may have been caused by a cam follower or valve breaking.

By lap 15 Skaife was 8.46 seconds clear of Longhurst and Jones who had got past Brock. Gibbs was up to 6th. At the end of the race, Skaife took the flag by 23 seconds back to the Longhurst and Jones M3's, Mark Gibbs bringing the GIO GT-R in for 5th place.

The entry list for Bathurst is released – there is a full field of 57 entries without resorting to padding out the entry list with the Group E production cars. There is a media and test day at Bathurst – some of the leading teams appear including the Gibson team. Jim cleans up the test day with the fastest lap (2:14.95s) and reaching 299kph on Conrod Straight. Win Percy almost matches with 297kph in his Commodore.

September 1991

The 1 September Sandown 500, again saw some of the major teams missing – the Gibson GT-R's and the Dick Johnson team didn't enter.

The GIO team bought their new GT-R out to play at Sandown. With a small field of 15 starters and a high attrition rate the GT-R driven by Mark Gibbs and Rohan Onslow won the race by 6 laps. It wasn't quite as easy as it sounds – Glen Seton had chased them very hard until his Sierra expired, and the GT-R was having some difficulties with the brakes. The Sandown 500 did demonstrate that the GT-R could last the distance in an endurance race. Roll on Bathurst!

The Gibson team reveal the drivers of the second GT-R – Drew Price and Garry Waldon.



October 1991

The first day of practice opened on Wednesday. The much fancied Shell 17 and 18 Sierras started off well with a split bore, and a detonated engine within the first couple of laps – the start of a disastrous Bathurst for the Johnson team. The Gibson team started bedding in brake pads on the #2 car. They felt it was a bit faster then the #1 car, so the team changed the lead car's specification to match the #2 entry. The ducts that had been removed earlier in the year showed up again on the GT-R's – the Gibson team figuring that Bathurst was very separate from the regular ATC rounds.

The GIO team GT-R was running well in the first practice sessions, they were pulling 2m 18 second laps without pushing hard. Mark Gibbs commenting he was more confident in the car with more time under his belt.

On the Thursday practice sessions Skaife turned in a lap of 2m 12.84 seconds, good enough for provisional pole. Richards was able to get within a second of that lap time on a full load of fuel. The team spent most of the practice sessions working with the brakes – last year had shown that the GT-R's were very hard on their brakes. Different combinations of pads were tried as well as different nozzles on the brake water spray. The second GT-R was a little slower, both drivers spending time in the car getting used to it. Draw Price managed a best lap of 2m 20s. The GIO GT-R was also taking things quiet. The team thought their Dunlops may give them a little trouble – they had a smaller rolling diameter than the Gibson teams' Yokohamas. If anything the smaller Dunlops gave the GIO a fair bit of speed: 4 kph faster up Mountain straight than the Skaife car. Gibbs put in a best lap of 2m 15.45 seconds. The BMW's that had been close to the GT-R's during the ATC managed a best lap of 2m 17 seconds – thanks to a special screamer engine that was built with only one piston ring on each piston and a higher rev limit of 9,700 RPM. Not bad for a naturally aspirated 2.5 litre engine!

On the Thursday practice sessions – the GIO GT-R had some computer problems that caused it to run roughly. The Gibson motorsport team plugged in their laptop and solved the problem. GT-R's now held first, second, and third fasted qualifying times. Gibson claimed the cars were in full race trim. He also announced the team could change the brake pads quicker than dumping in a full load of fuel.

The Friday practice session allowed the GT-R based teams to work on their race setups while the other teams were still working at putting in a quick qualifying time. The GIO team practised changing the brake pads, as well as the disc rotors.

Saturday's top ten shootout saw the fastest 10 cars in the field have a single lap on a clear track to try and get the pole position.

Drew Price cut a 2m 16.30 second lap for his run in the second Gibson GT-R. Mark Gibbs pulled a very clean and quick lap of 2m 13.88s. Mark Skaife drove a awesome lap and recorded a 2m 12.84s. Skaife later said "It was a pretty good lap, I got bit untidy in a couple of spots, but that is about as good as we could do."

The starting positions were settled: Skaife on pole (Richards would actually start the race), Gibbs in second, and Drew Price in 4th behind the Glen Seton Sierra. The top ten was made up of three GT-R's, four RS500 Sierra's, and three VN Commodore's.

The Saturday afternoon was spent with a little more practice changing the brake pads. The Gibson team were able to change the pads in about 35 seconds, the GIO team about 90 seconds. The reason for the difference in times was the Gibson cars were using 4 spot Nismo/Alcon calipers, while the GIO team had 6 spot calipers that took a bit longer to change the pads with.

Raceday – October 6 1991

The GIO team scored a prize before that start of the race – best presented race car. The race start was a different story – the GT-R's were expected to make their normal quick getaway, but Jim muffed the start and allowed the Gibbs car to lead into the first corner. By the end of the first lap Gibbs had a 2.75 second lead over John Bowe's Sierra. Jim Richards was able to out brake Bowe to claim second during lap 2. By the third lap Jim was in the lead.

The second GT-R of Drew Price had briefly scrapped for 5th place with a group of Commodores, but began to drop back with a very soft brake pedal. Price had to pump the brakes before each big corner.

Jim was lapping in the 2m 18s times, and by lap 6 had a seven second gap back to the GIO GT-R. Bowe was able to overtake the Gibbs GT-R shortly afterwards, claiming the fastest time down Conrod of 283 kph. Lap 10 had Jim leading Bowe by 11 seconds with Glen Seton back a further 2 seconds.

By lap 20 the lead was out to 13 seconds over Bowe, with Gibbs sitting in 5th place. Bowe pitted early allowing everyone to shuffle up one spot. On lap 29 the second Gibson team GT-R pitted for a 27 second pitstop – a fresh set of tyres and a load of fuel. The brake pads weren't changed as Drew Price had got used to the soggy brakes. The GIO team pitted on lap 32 for a front brake pad change – which was done in 1 minute. Rohan Onslow took over the driving and resumed in 8th place. The team examined the old pads to monitor the wear, they were only half worn but the team decided to change the pads at every stop anyway.

The second Gibson GT-R began to have troubles around this time. The first problem was a bad vibration and handling from the fresh tyres. Price bought the GT-R into the pits for fresh rubber and a check over. The vibration was gone. A couple of laps later a turbo hose blew off. During the pitstop to rectify that problem, the team changed the brake pads. All these dramas saw the car drop to 32nd place, 15 minutes behind the leading Richards / Skaife GT-R.

Jim pulled the GT-R into the pits on lap 36 for tyres, fuel and Skaife. The stop was completed in 25 seconds, and dropped the car into second. Skaife pulled a blistering 2m 16s lap, more than 4 seconds faster then Dick Johnson who was currently leading. Dick pitted, handing the lead back to Skaife.

At lap 40 Skaife led the Seton Sierra by 37 seconds. The GIO GT-R was back in 9th position, with the Price / Waldon GT-R way back in 30th. The pace of the leading GT-R was such that it was lapping other cars in the top ten by the second hour.

The Price / Waldon GT-R pitted again on lap 45 for a quick diagnostic to work out why the car was off song. An intercooler hose was replaced, and Garry Waldon left the pits to find the car back at full health.

Skaife pulled into the pits with a lead of 2m 5 seconds over John Bowe. The stop took 50 seconds for a full load of fuel, tyres, a brake pad change and Jim Richards to take over driving. The GT-R resumed still in the lead. On lap 69 the GIO GT-R with Rohan Onslow pitted for a pad change, he resumed in 7th place after a 52 second stop. The Gibson team started planning a rear brake pad change – they had initially planned to change only the front pads, but got the pads ready for the next stop. The rear pads took much longer to change than the fronts. Out in front, Richards was in cruise mode. The gap back to Glen Seton was around the two minute mark. Seton was pushing his Sierra very hard, but Jim was able to respond easily matching the 2m 19's that Seton was pulling. Jim potentially could go 2 seconds a lap quicker if needed.

The GIO GT-R had a minor incident – it nudged a Commodore, breaking the left front headlight. Jim bought the leading GT-R into the pits on lap 95. The stop went to plan, the team changing brake pads on all four wheels, with Skaife back out in 55 seconds – still in the lead.

By lap 122, Skaife held a lead of 3m 22 seconds back to the Percy / Grice Commodore. Lap 123 and another pit stop for the GT-R. This time there was no pad change, and Jim Richards was back out with a fresh set of tyres and a full load of fuel, and still in the lead. Skaife put his helmet back on five minutes later and jumped into the second GT-R of Price / Waldon to try and bring it up into the top ten from 13th position. Skaife absolutely wrung the neck of the GT-R, recording the fastest lap of the race (2m 14.50s). He had set fastest lap in the lead car earlier (2m 16.60s) and was under that lap time for 15 of the 17 laps he did before the GT-R broke a rear half shaft and retired.

The GIO GT-R was up to third on the road by now, the leading Fords of Johnson and Seton had either expired or were close to expiring. The car came into the pits for it's final stop, no brake pad change this time, Gibbs staying in the car to the finish. The car rejoined in 3rd position. 14 laps before the end, Jim pitted the lead GT-R for the last time, taking tyres and fuel only. The pit crew cheered as he left the pits, starting the victory celebrations early.

On lap 156 the GIO GT-R developed a misfire – causing it to backfire up mountain straight. They still had a 1 minute lead over the 4th placed car behind them. The misfire got worse – the GIO team were in the pit next to the Gibson team – one pit was starting to celebrate, and the other were willing their ailing car on. Moffat gave his 4th placed car the instruction to attempt to overtake the GIO car. Gibbs was able to lap in the 2m 28s region, just enough to maintain his lead over the Moffat Sierra to the end of the race.

Jim took the flag – making the first outright victory for a Japanese car at Bathurst. Grice crossed the finish line 2 minutes 30 seconds later, in his speech on the podium he said "The Datsun was too good for us!" Mark Gibbs bought the misfiring GIO GT-R in for third place with the Moffat team Sierra in 4th (which was excluded after post race scrutinising)

In the background during the Bathurst race week, there were moves being made about the rules for 1993. Because of the economic situation and the ever increasing costs of running a Group A car, CAMS had moved to develop a new formula for Australia's leading category. The aim of the category was to provide close racing with a substantially lower cost than the current Group A scheme.

It was eventually decided that the new formula would revolve around the Holden Commodore and the Ford Falcon. At the time Australia lacked the technology to develop 2 litre engines like those used in the British Touring Car Championship, and it was decided that turbos were too costly for many teams to run. Both the Sierra RS500 and Skyline GT-R were costing around AU$500,000 for a competitive car. That kind of cost was well beyond most of the privateer teams. The v8 was the cheapest option to develop and race in Australia.

Holden and Ford took the unprecedented step of releasing a joint letter to CAMS during Bathurst – telling them to get their act together and set the rules for 1993, or Holden and Ford would consider other forms of racing (NASCAR / AUSCAR).

There is much more to come - the 1991 Wellington and Pukekohe 500, the 1992 ATC rounds, and Bathurst 1992. Stay tuned.

In a nut shell, the R32 GTR was banned because it kicked eveyones ass. Ask how the R34s are doing? I will tell you, they are far from producing the wins that Godzilla did, infact not even close.

I have watched a lot of races with the R34s in the field, and not once have I seen it cross the finish line in first place:rolleyes:

Tony, you just ruined my *working* day, now I need to read all that... :)

the interesting note here is that he likes the looks of the r34...

that doesn't mean much in racing...

the r32 is much quicker, and most of the 10sec and below skylines i've seen/heard of are r32 or r33 cars...

that is one hell of a post... geez.

Sorry sami, I apologise :p



flylwsi,

Not only is it one hell of a post, its also my last post.

It just backs up the folklore of the badest GTR of them all. The R32 GTR... One day the unknowing will know

Bye guys.

HaHa, SkylineUSA, you need to settle down, it's the internet, not real life, and it's a discusssion not a lecture. You talk very disrespectfuly to me and other people and I didn't want to respond when i first read everything today but I thought maybe you could have a change of heart. I do agree with you on the R32 is the best, it's the most original and more straight to the point than the other two. I like the handeling of the R32 over my R34 but i like to R33's looks the most. Tell me, have you ever driven a Skyline before or are you taking the word of reviews and other people posting in this forum? I have driven an R32 once, my dad is a editor for our local newspaper and he has a friend who is a columist for AUTOMOBILE magazine and his son owns a R32. He let me drive it around L.A. while i was on vacation, I told him I notised braking understeer and he told me he knew. One of his dads friends heard at a press meeting for the new skyline concept that nissan had a mild problem with understeer with the R32 when pushed. It's not a bad thing, I would rather understeer with such a quick car. My car is a white R34 v-specII from motorex, I'm putting out around 750BHP and I can do 0-60mph in about 2.5 seconds and a 10 second 1/4 mile @141mph. You can argue as much as you want about that crashed Skyline but i know it is salvagable. I wish you would take my word for it.

heres another picture.

and another

last and all

These picturea were taken before I bought it by my friends down in L.A. at motorex, it's looks a bit different now.

i've got a few questions...

your dads friend works for AUTOMOBILE... who is he, just out of curiousity...

enough money to buy his son a skyline...

braking understeer?

understeer comes from when you're pushing the gas pedal down, not the brake pedal.

if you've ever read any articles on the new M3, they are known to understeer slightly when pushed to the limit on the track as well...

his friend "heard" at a press release for the new skyline that the r32 had a mild tendency to understeer? that would be brought up at one of those press conferences because?



and to top it all off...

those pics are straight from motorex.net. i just checked it. that's really funny stuff you got there.

http://motorex.net/WhiteVspecII.html

anything else you've got to say?

that's the skyline they've got in stock my friend.

and.........


you had the balls to ask him if he's driven a skyline, when he owns two r32s???

have you been on this site to look around before you started spouting off?

Originally posted by SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr
You can argue as much as you want about that crashed Skyline but i know it is salvagable.
That car is gone to heaven, it's just an organ donor.

to top it all off... you can't afford a skyline at your age pal...


August 25th, 1985. yeah. that makes you what, 17 right now?

you can afford the 95,000 dollar skyline from motorex, and then mod it to 750 hp?

fat chance pal.

i like the r32, but i still think it looks a little outdated.

Originally posted by jeelanim
i like the r32, but i still think it looks a little outdated.
A lot of people change their mind when they see it live.

i've never seen one live, but i've seen enough modded r32's in mags to know that they look hella tight compared to the stockers...

sami, i'm not sure if you've posted em before, but do you have pics of yours?

if you did, just gimme a link to the thread... i'd love to see it

what are some good r32 body kits?

Originally posted by flylwsi
sami, i'm not sure if you've posted em before, but do you have pics of yours?
They are on the link on my sig. Unfortunately ImageStation changed it so you have to register (it's free and quick so no biggie) and I haven't had the time to move them. Movies are in www.sami.kallio.com (need Divx players to view them, www.divx.com/divx) but don't expect anything like Exvitermini-movies... :)

Here is one from my own site:

http://12.239.130.41:6969/pics/skyline/sky.jpg

it looks good all the same...

in light of the way everyone is about the r34, i'd rather have an r32 or r33 if i had the chance... a. because they're less expensive, and b. b/c in a few months, they'll be in that damn movie, so the older styles won't be familiar, while everyone with access to a theater will know what an r34 is...

nice ride...

r32 body kits?!?!?!?!

i'm not sure what you meant by that, but there's tons of companies that make kits for the r32... nice lookin stuff to...

flywsi, of course there is understeer due to braking. Watch Best Mototring Vol5 and the final battle at the end with 600HP car. The s15 is understeering badly towards the end of the race due to being the only car without ABS and the brakes smoking up on everycorner. There is understeer and there is power understeer.
Understeer just means u go straight instead of turning. If ur brakes aint working well u will go straight and not turn.
Power understeer would be when ur on the gas and it doesnt turn.

The R34 is supposedly the best handling of all the GTR's due to the ATESSA system being upgraded dramatically.
I know I would prefer an R34 or R32. R33 is supposedly shit in all respects (handling, speed), the R34 IS the fastest of them stock.
13.7 1/4 in an R32 is slower than a EVO7, 6 and 5's s1/4 mile time.
And Australia got R32 GTR's so there are many tests done in Australia.
13.7 is what they definately got.

i'm well aware of the problem but we're talking about 600hp cars there, and i'm pretty sure that car's got some wicked camber on, as opposed to being a street car. you can find understeer in anything on the track.

i'm highly doubting what has been posted by our friend who "owns" the skyline that's still for sale on motorex's site. i would think you'd have to push a car pretty hard to find it's limit in that sense.

i see what you're saying, but my post was directed more at doubting the previous post.

I'm starting to think you are all just punk 12 years olds. Very imature comments. My dads friend is Mark Gillies. HAHA, your not as smart as you wish you could be flylwsi, understeer is a wiegh problem smart one, added wiegh to the front of a car creates understeer dragging it's nose wide in the corner, oversteer is the opposite, it's accerating suddenly in the turn putting wiegh to the rear quarters and while in the corner turning, the rear will want to fish out, you apply more gas and you'll brake the tires free from traction and the centrifical force will do the rest, both understeer and oversteer are not smart if actually competing. Looks like you little boys have been playing to much GranTurismo? The M3 understeers when pushed because of aerodynamic downforce, most all cars do that but with the R32 the recovery from the braking understeer takes to much effort in my opinion. Yeah my pictures are from motorex.net dumbass, they havn't undated there website in months! Oh, the R32 i drove was all stock accept for the motorex standard emissions tuning. And where do you come off judging my income when you don't even know me?

i doubt you.

i asked questions. you answered them. supposedly anyways.

you're 17. i doubt you could afford a skyline.

i'm not trying to be smart here pal.

i doubted you. i called you out.

now you're getting all defensive.

big surprise.

i still highly doubt anything you posted.


as stated, the m3 has a tendency to understeer when pushed hard on the track. what's wrong with that? you just agreed with it, and you want to call me out? 12 year olds?

i've got a few years on your my friend, let alone a few years on this board.

i could just as easily pull a name out of a magazine and say my dad knows them. i could give you a run down of people in the automotive aftermarket that i know by name. what does that prove?

nothing. you're all talk my friend. i really doubt you own it.

and just to clarify. i've never played any video games in regards to what you are trying to say. sorry. i'm not a child of the computer.

do you have anything else you'd like to throw at me?

95,000 dollars and the insurance that is astronomical seems pretty far out of reach for a 17 year old, unless of course, daddy paid for it.

and to clarify some more...

understeer has nothing to do with having a "heavy" front end.

you can try again though...

there are enough light front ends out there that still understeer to prove you wrong. anything else?

Superstreetracer: Please check your PMs.


Now, as for your technical mistakes.

Understeer. A lack of traction on the front wheels. This is not caused by weight on the front wheels. In fact, more weight on the front wheels is what you need in order to correct understeer. Why is this you ask? Because traction is created when your tires are pressed agianst the road, press them more, and you have more available traction. Why do you think downforce is such a big deal? Why do you think drivers practice left foot braking in order to shift weight forward through corners not requiring a downshift? In general, 4wd/awd cars have more of a problem with this then RWD cars because 2 of their drive wheels lose traction when they understeer.

Oversteer is the exact same thing, just in a different area of the car, and it's easier to correct. To a certian point, a little press of the gas will shift weight backward and plant the rear.


Oh, and understeer and over steer happen all the time on racing. You may even hear announcers talking about how on a certian turn onto a straight they "really come barreling around that turn, all 4 sliding to get as much momentum as possible for the straight.

As for your mention of "R32 braking understeer recovery" You will experience understeer while braking because your wheels are locked up and you are past 100% traction, to correct this, try... oh... Not braking hard while turning.

yeah, my dad did pay for it, he was going to buy it for him self. his dad bought him a charger when he was my age (the cool car back then i guess) so my dad did some research and phone calls and sure enough my dad bought it for me last july. You guys really need to actually drive a car, this is very annoying when you guys keep trying to state "facts" that are not true to real life, maybe in a video game, not on the track. Have any of you been to a performance driving cool? My dad went to the skip barber driving school in montoray CA 1 1/2 years ago. He knows what he is talking about, at the end of the classes they would take them over the Laguna Seca in montoray with some corvettes and teach them how to take the track in less that 1min50sec, which is pretty hard to do. Weigh distrobution is the most complicated area in designing a car. Why? because it determanes to handeling carateristics of a car. Anymore uneducated posts you would like to throw at me cus it's my day off. What is a PM?

um, hello...

i'm not a video gamer. i drive cars. please don't tell me what i should and should not do.

PM is a personal message.

you may want to go to your profile and see what's there.

your dad went to laguna so he must be some god of the track.

gontrax just told you that weight distribution has to do with how a car handles, and now you want to throw it back like you came up with that?

and you have the balls to call anyone who has posted here uneducated?

come on now. grow up...

you're still 17 and you're acting your age. i don't care what you "drive".

I havent driven a gTR on the track so I dont know, but from what I have read, GTR's tend to understeer into a corner and oversteer out of it.
In best motoring they normally just take them sideways thru the whole corner. hehe

well, that makes two of us who haven't driven them...

if you understeer in and oversteer out...

that usually means you're driving it beyond it's limits anyways, and that no matter what the car is, you'll understeer...

if you were to take a car that shows NO understeer and over drive it into a corner, it'd understeer in and oversteer out...

under in b/c it's going too fast to turn, and over out b/c you'd be trying to steer with the throttle to bring it around and not go off the track...

just b/c you see something one way doesn't mean that a car does it all the time...

if a car is smoking it's tires while understeering, it's highly likely that it was driven too hard into the corner in the first place.

i see your point though.

All 4WD's understeer into a corner, thats just how they work, but because atessa allows torque split it also allows power on oversteer which is unusal for a 4WD.
Thats why GTR's are the only 4WDs that drifters use, otherwise its RWD.

whoa...

jun evo drifting... and wrx's...

i've seen a few professionals drift em...

option had a video with that jun evo drifting in it...

it honestly depends on the suspension and the corner, and the car. not all 4wd/awd cars understeer into a corner. that's a bit of a generalization.

you can, however, make ANY car understeer into a corner...

awd would understeer less than your regular rwd car, though... provided equal suspension setups and what not...

Originally posted by flylwsi
i'm not sure what you meant by that, but there's tons of companies that make kits for the r32... nice lookin stuff to...

I want to see some pictues of r32's with body kits. I fo0und some nice ones on takakaira.

http://www.veilside.com/veilsideusa/frames.html

go to the body kits, they've got two...

http://www.bomexaero.com/bomexusa.html

go to nissan, then r32 gtr... couple kits there...

that's a couple...

WRX's are the worst understeerers of them all, evos are set up fro a bit of oversteer, but it is coming into the corner. Every review u read about WRX's has ppl complaining about understeer.
It is due to the front wheel drive, a wrx is set up as more of a FWD driver than any other 4wd car while the EVO is set up a bit more neutrally and the GTR is set up as more of a rear driver.
FWD understeers the most
AWD the second
And RWD understeers the least.

All cars are made to have a little understeer into corners as understeer is much easier to control than oversteer into a corner.

WRX's are 50/50 split. Except the earlier STi's which had a dial control, 50/50 to 35/65 F/R split. I have no problems with understeer in my WRX. In fact, it is less prone to under steer than my GTS25t was, go figure. Simple things like a little more pressure in your front tyres and less in the rears or a strut brace on the front take car of any understeer that there may have ever been.

As for your mention of "R32 braking understeer recovery" You will experience understeer while braking because your wheels are locked up and you are past 100% traction, to correct this, try... oh... Not braking hard while turning.
Agree'd, use less brake....... like non at all. Speaking from experiance, more gas is a better solution to help in that situation. That's what ATTESSA was designed for.......

Ask how the R34s are doing? I will tell you, they are far from producing the wins that Godzilla did, infact not even close.

Awesome the R32 is, and may have been, it doesn't have the same record as the KPGC110 GTR from back in 1969-70, a car that won almost every race it was entered in.

So I guess, that makes the KPGC110 GTR my favorite Skyline.

Originally posted by flylwsi
http://www.veilside.com/veilsideusa/frames.html

go to the body kits, they've got two...

http://www.bomexaero.com/bomexusa.html

go to nissan, then r32 gtr... couple kits there...

that's a couple...

Veilside sux

Originally posted by Nemesis
Simple things like a little more pressure in your front tyres and less in the rears or a strut brace on the front take car of any understeer that there may have ever been.

Right on, it works wonders in a WRX, just a strut brace makes it handle like a whole new car :)

And I didn't think WRXs were 50/50 split. Somthing like 48/52 or somthing. Mby just the USDM ones:confused:

And Superstreetracer: I beleave you need to practice what you preach with the uneducated posts tripe. I refer you agian to your PMs.

Australia has had every WRX there has been and they have heavy understeer. The only WRX where u could change drive bias was the 22B.

that would mean you've been to australia and driven every variation pretty hard to come up with a statement like that... right?

Why the put down on video games? I play GT all the time and I believe it helps my racing. I won the 2001 Southeast Region NCCC championship in 1SC class. Driving helps my video game playing too! ;)

Besides in the military we don't call them video games, we call them "simulators".

As for all this talk of racing, under steer is simply the car pushing into a turn (i.e. not turning as much as the driver inputs), and oversteer is the rear end coming around (usually due to a heavy foot on the loud pedal). Now, what causes both of these is the laws of physics. When the momentum of the car exceeds the traction of the tires, the car obeys the laws of physics and continues in a straight line until another counter force is applied.

The reasons for loss of traction can be any number of things, like: too much momentum, worn tires, slippery or dirty track, weight transfer due to applied gas or brakes, etc... The number one reason is probably agressive driving or driving the car past it's limits. A bit of wisdom that any good racer knows is that sometimes slower is quicker. Meaning that any monkey can push an accelarator pedal, but a skilled driver will find the best line, carry reasonable speed through the turn, and by keeping the car settled will be on the gas sooner out of the turn.

All these things are duplicated extremely well in GT 2 and 3. Take the time and drive some of the base model cars, without the race tires and tweaked engines. Drive them like you are really afraid of crashing and you will see what I mean.

AL

Originally posted by sami

That car is gone to heaven, it's just an organ donor.


Organ Donor! I didn't think they could harvest organs from a dead patient. Especially one that's been dead for a year.:p

SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr must be pretty good to have mastered autobody and collision repair by the age of 17, all the while being a racing expert as well. Hell it took me until at least the age of 19. But then again I took some time off to work on my pimpin' skills. :cool:

Youth isn't a bad thing, it's just a shame it's wasted on the young. kind of reminds me of the story of the old bull and the young bull....

AL

i know what you're saying, but being a video gamer and not having real world experience, as many members of this site are doesn't constitute having real knowledge.

i simply stated that i don't do video games for answers. i drive cars.

i'm not against videos games a suppliment to actual driving, but when your opinion comes from the games only (as yours obviously hasn't), then there's a problem.

i know the logic on understeer, and the problem noted in "braking understeer" can be explained by what i've said earlier, about overdriving a car into a corner. it doesn't matter what kind of car it is, you can over drive it into a corner. that's my point. you can make anything understeer...

i agree on your thoughts though, 17 and able to rebuild a skyline with extensive knowledge of driving competitevely? right...

Originally posted by phatdex
Australia has had every WRX there has been and they have heavy understeer. The only WRX where u could change drive bias was the 22B.

Yes, they can understeer, but as said, it is real easy to solve.
As for the adjustable bias........
The STi type R had adjustable bias........ I should now, I have been in one and played with the selecter switch while driving it. The car is still in the same city I live in here in NZ.

Also available in Japan, are Subaru models modified by
Subaru's advanced vehicle division, STi (Subaru Tecnica
International). STi are responsible, along with Prodrive in the
UK, for creating the WRC cars driven by the likes of Colin
McRae and Richard Burns. Over the years, they have produced
a number of production models (STi versions 1 to VI), in coupe,
saloon and five door format. They have also released a number
of limited edition models such as the V-Limited range and the
22B-STi wide bodied Coupe. Specifications for the STi models
can include blueprinted engines, with different pistons and
crankshaft, closed deck blocks, uprated close ratio gearbox,
uprated suspension (i.e. hard!) and brakes, as well as nice
toys such as water spray cooling for the intercooler, and
driver adjustable differentials. STi engines rev to a 8250
rpm red line whilst the normal Japanese spec WRX's red
line at 7500 rpm. Typically, the equipment specification of
the Japanese WRX models are higher than that of the
standard export models.

The Japanese spec WRX STi is also available as the 2-door
coupe "Type R", which has the same equipment as a STi
saloon plus driver-controlled diffs, and an intercooler water
spray, but no ABS!.


Taken from an FAQ website about the WRX

Cool, if u r from NZ u have probably had every sorta jap car there is, even more than AUS.
NZ would have to be No1 in Jap imports, then Australia.
Was talking about stock WRX's tho, prone to much more understeer than an EVO, even if it is easily correctable.

Originally posted by SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr
I'm starting to think you are all just punk 12 years olds.


:lol2: :hehehe: :hehe:

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. We're the punk 12 year olds. And we're the ones who don't have or know about Skylines. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.......

If you weren't so unintentionally amusing, I'd be offended :lol2:

Hehe - this thread has given me muchas chuckles today - which makes me very happy :D

- And I definitely agree with Nemesis about the KPGC110. (I'd still put an RB26 in it though)

I had to go with with the R32 GTR Just one run in this guys GTR and I was hooked....Dont tell my GTS-T though!!

...............

Originally posted by SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr
I can do 0-60mph in about 2.5 seconds

Wow a full second quicker than the McLaren F1 road car.

Dude I suggest you stop smoking crack/smack/weed or whatever it is you are on, no one here believes you.

A few of us here do actually own skylines, so we know a shitload more than you about them.

Originally posted by darkness


Wow a full second quicker than the McLaren F1 road car.

Dude I suggest you stop smoking crack/smack/weed or whatever it is you are on, no one here believes you.

A few of us here do actually own skylines, so we know a shitload more than you about them.

To sorta add to that in a much nicer way :D That sort of performance would put your GTR over at about the 800hp mark. I would suspect you have a different gearbox, dif gears, axles an such to handle that sort of power.

he did say it's modded to 750hp... :rolleyes:

That may be but the Skyline is pretty heavy (no offense) so unless he put it in LA Weightloss, forged everything in the engine and put in a new transmission or tuned the ratios on the original I can't see this happening. That would all cost a whole lot of cash so this guy has got to be rich and turbos to put out over 750hp are expensive too. By the way just to see if you have the small chance of making this believable what turbos are you running and add many other stats. The Mclaren F1 is much lighter and is almost a full race car so this I doubt even though the GT-R could kick a Mclaren's ass:D

Ok this ones good

Originally posted by flylwsi
he did say it's modded to 750hp... :rolleyes:

Hence my saying


I would suspect you have a different gearbox, dif gears, axles an such to handle that sort of power.

Just because someone says they are getting 1000hp doesn't mean it is real. He may have posted his mods, yea so what. What else did he do to secure the car for that sort of grunt? Gee I didn't see anything.

The fact remains once you achieve the mark of around 650hp the factory gearbox gear set will die, and rather quickly. The Front axles are at or near their limits also, not to mention the front and rear diffs. How do I know this?
I have seen two GTR drag cars here in NZ shatter enough gear, and I have witnessed many of them.

Now there is also no way he will do that sort of time as just mentioned with the weight he would be carrying. I didn't want to say it but since it hs been brought up why not. The stresses on the drive train with near factory weight and that sort of power level, then launching the car just don't add up.

Kids :rolleyes:

keep in mind that we're talking about a newbie that posted pics from motorex.net and claims the car is his...

i'm well aware of the limitations of the car, and i know you'd need to upgrade the items in question...

notice >:rolleyes: in my post...

that says it all...

:D

Originally posted by darkness


Wow a full second quicker than the McLaren F1 road car.

Dude I suggest you stop smoking crack/smack/weed or whatever it is you are on, no one here believes you.

A few of us here do actually own skylines, so we know a shitload more than you about them.

Cmon James, you know that my Lada does a 6.4 second 1/4 mile. Maybe he IS talking the truth?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

Originally posted by Nemesis


Cmon James, you know that my Lada does a 6.4 second 1/4 mile. Maybe he IS talking the truth?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

Oh yeah, well thats an exception:p

Originally posted by darkness


Oh yeah, well thats an exception:p

There's always gotta be one...........:bloated:

Favorite would be GTR 32 cause it likes to test limits. Specially when it snows.

Why would anyone take a GT-S over a GT-R?

Originally posted by GT-R4life
Why would anyone take a GT-S over a GT-R?

Why not????

Well, not that the GT-S is not great car, just from my point of view if I was going to own a skyline (which is my dream car) I would want a GT-R. Granted, the two cars have obvious differences, a big difference being price. I was just wondering if there were any GT-S owners who actually prefer the GT-S to the GT-R.

If both cars were sitting there, an R34 GTR and an R34 GT-T and u could have one for free, u would have to be the stupidest person in the world to take the GT-T!!!

Originally posted by phatdex
If both cars were sitting there, an R34 GTR and an R34 GT-T and u could have one for free,

Now, there's a situation that comes up everyday.

Personally, I wouldn't have either of the above cars........... I'd sooner have an R33 or a new V35 coupe..... or even a 350Z.

Originally posted by Nemesis


Now, there's a situation that comes up everyday.

Personally, I wouldn't have either of the above cars........... I'd sooner have an R33 or a new V35 coupe..... or even a 350Z.

Oh yeah me likes the 350Z

The new 350Z is quite OK but I wouldn't take the new V35 unless I had a car seat put in it. I would upgrade from my R32 to a stock R34 though.

with all do respect. why do you guys like these skylines so much? if you would, please be as detailed as possible. thanks

coz they are a great car. One of the fastest cars there is off the line.
In Australian Motor magazine they compared the porsche GT2 to an R34 GTR and they said its launch was easier and more fuss free than the GT2's!

yeah, my gt2 has a temper. but isn't that a unfair comparison? doesn't the skyline have awd? please give me some more insite on this car, it's very interesting:)

My temptation to get a skyline is based on the fact that most americans didn't even know what one is. Plus being a rather fast car with a strong engine makes it quite nice. Unfortunatly with Fast and the Furious coming out, and some well known PS2 games it is becoming rather popular extremely quick. Less than six months ago you could barely find anything over the net about skylines unless you knew exactly where to search. Three years ago when I say my first one it was next to impossible. Now you can find a bazillion topics about it. The good thing about popularity is that it makes prices go down and availability to go up. Sometimes.

yeah, i have read a few articals about this skyline car. But i have seen better figures in other cars (performance wise). it just seems like it's just another car but with extra gadgets, i say ditch the gadgets and loose some wiegh. i think it looks like a greet car and seems to have enough technology to ride out a decade without really being 'outdated'. does anyone here have a first hand account? it seems that it costs so much but wheres the horse power? this car is starting to grow on me, i like the idea of awd, aws and awb. plus the design makes me droowl. :sun:

I just have an R32, even with all the extra gadgets and stuff the car is still some what simple. Of course there are a bunch of things that you learn along the way. I am sure if you ask any person who owns a gtr or a regular skyline for that matter, they will tell you that it drives nicely and handles great. Looks good along the way. Unfortunatly GTR's do get pricey depending on what you want to do with it. If you just want simple under 400 HP it really isn't bad. Of course if we all had the money I would definatly go for about 1300 hp.

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
yeah, i have read a few articals about this skyline car. But i have seen better figures in other cars (performance wise). it just seems like it's just another car but with extra gadgets, i say ditch the gadgets and loose some wiegh. i think it looks like a greet car and seems to have enough technology to ride out a decade without really being 'outdated'.
That's what it did, the R32 GT-R is still a better performer than most of todays performance cars.
Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
does anyone here have a first hand account?
I can say that for comparison to the R32 GT-R, C5 Corvette for example was a big disappointment. Everyone around me hyped it to be a great car and when I finally got a chance to drive one it really wasn't all that.

I'll have a chance to drive a modified TT 996 soon so I'll get to see how it compares.
Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
it seems that it costs so much but wheres the horse power? this car is starting to grow on me, i like the idea of awd, aws and awb. plus the design makes me droowl. :sun:
Didn't you just say lose the gadgets? Make up your mind, man! :)

It only costs a lot in the US because of the DOT and EPA approvals that are done by a 3rd party, Nissan never imported it here. In Japan a new R34 GT-R was ~$45k vs. ~$90k in the US.

Anyway, the power is there. 320hp-350hp in stock form depending on the model. Up to 400hp with minor mods (not adding anything, just removing :)) and then it depends on what you want. I'm running around 600hp atm and some of the guys I know are running 100-200hp more. Most of them are with bolt-on mods like mine.

www.skylinesdownunder.com is a good place to go if you want more info.

you guys seem to know what you are talking about, can you explain what a "bolt-on" mods are is? i like to think i know more about a cars than the average joe but i want your opinions (if you will please), I was thinking about trading in my gt2 for a turbo, do you guys think thats a good trade? i drove my dads turbo the other day and it was alot easyer to drive than my gt2:(, it was very awe inspiring with it's awd, i felt i could drive hard and not crash, i heard the porsche turbo drives like a skyline, is that true? if it is maybe i should get my dad to buy me and skyline rather than a turbo. what do you guys think?

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
you guys seem to know what you are talking about, can you explain what a "bolt-on" mods are is? i like to think i know more about a cars than the average joe but i want your opinions (if you will please), I was thinking about trading in my gt2 for a turbo, do you guys think thats a good trade? i drove my dads turbo the other day and it was alot easyer to drive than my gt2:(, it was very awe inspiring with it's awd, i felt i could drive hard and not crash, i heard the porsche turbo drives like a skyline, is that true? if it is maybe i should get my dad to buy me and skyline rather than a turbo. what do you guys think?

If you in fact have a GT2, I'll trade you (and then get another R32 GT-R)... :)

To be honest, from your first post I thought you were trolling the board, and I still have my doubts (if I'm wrong I apologize). Your dad bought you a $182k twinturbo car? Good thing my dad isn't that rich, I'd be dead by now.

In case you're not trolling, bolt-on is a modification that "bolts" on directly. For example my Garrett GT25 aftermarket turbos, take the old stock turbos out, put the new ones in, straight fit.

Something is not quite right, but I'll bite.

Bolt ons, Turbos, injectors, boost controlers, intercoolers, water injection, air filter pods, ecu re-map, etc. Anything that can be used by the engine, without having to break the engine down for mods. GTRs, are very easily capable to go into the 550hp range, without dumping lots o cash. After that point, thats when you are pushing limits of some of the stock driveline items. ie, clutch, tranny, crank, MAFs, and cams.

Can we see some pics of your GT2, what color, what size tires, does it understeer, or oversteer?

sami, where do you live? you mite have a deal;) hakuna matata. what do yo mean by trolling? are bolt ons reliable? what would lead you two to have second thoughts about me? my gt2 is all stock, i don't know much about modifieing. skyline usa-is that "does it understeer or oversteer" a serious question?

RyNoSeRuS,

is that "does it understeer or oversteer" a serious question? Well I thought so:)

Do you have a pic of the interior? Do you have the stock soundsystem?

Are bolt ons reliable? Depends on what you buy, depends on your knowledge of what to look for, depends on how it maintained, depends on how its installed, etc. For the most part, they are better than stock items.

You have a lot to learn, young jedi:D

Do you actually know what your car is worth? I really would like to see what your engine looks like, I am very ignorant to the GT2s. I must do some research.:cool:

as i said, everything is stock. i am willing to learn 'master':D lol. I'm sorry, i really don't know the worth of it, how would i tell? is there some place i can take it and they can give me a estimate?

i have another picture, be happy guys cus it's cold out there and i went out there just to take these pictures. is there any other car that handles like a skyline that i mite be able to compare it to?

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
as i said, everything is stock. i am willing to learn 'master':D lol. I'm sorry, i really don't know the worth of it, how would i tell? is there some place i can take it and they can give me a estimate?
MSRP is $181,xxx. :)

OK, may have stuffed up my post, is it the GT3 that is AWD? Whichever the AWD porsche is, the Skyline is supposedly alot better to launch.
The GT3 (i think) was doing 4.11 0-100KMH and a R34 GTR with exhaust was doing 4.5 0-100kmh. which is ~0-62mph.
The skyline has a lot more power than it states. Jap cars are only allowed to state 276hp.
An R34 GTR in Australia costs about $85K fior a V-spec, thats around $50K US.
A bit cheaper than a porsche. Imagine there were GTR's that cost the same as a porsche, would rip it a new asshole.
Buy a GTR, and then spend the same amount on mods to take it up to the price of a porsche. There will be no comparison.

i am willing to learn 'master' lol. Just Yoda:D

You have a very nice car, my man. If you sold it, and you bought a R32 GTR, and spent say 25k in mods, that car would be almost second to none.

the 911tt is awd.
the gt2 is rwd and tt. more hp than the 911tt.

the gt3 is an na car designed for the racetrack.

oh yeah, and i don't think you own the gt2.

you're 22, you don't have a credible job listed...

and you don't know the "worth" of your car...

you don't even know what it cost... you'd at least know that, not even the current value...

and i'm sure if i tried, i could find pics of a brand new gt2 from some enthusiasts site and claim it for mine.

just a heads up.

flylwsi-how many people have you called liers? there was a resent medical study about how people that acusse people often of the same thing, are probly trying to cover up some lie of there own. credable? i said i am a bum-and i am a bum- i leach off my parents. my dad is a exsecutive software editor for Microsoft (not a big title, but he makes enough money not to care about me). I said i don't know much about cars-and i don't-plus, i didn't even buy the car (my dad did). It was his at first but i drive it more than he does (he still thinks it's his). i am a enthusiasts-and those are my pictures. i am just trying to have fun on the internet-please don't make waves out of a stupid thing. just because you don't have a car doesn't mean others do not. i'm not trying to be snotty or mean at all. i just want you to notise what you are doing and that no one likes it. i just came here wanting to know more about skylines.

Forget about it RyNoSeRuS, Continue to have fun and learn. My tech skills still suck as far as cars go cause my dad didn't sit me down and show me how to break apart then build up my ol 57 chevy truck. Unfortunatly I lost interest in it. Now I am back with a vengence with my skyline. There are tons of knowledgeable people here willing to help out.

Lets get back to skylines before this post gets locked down.

i heard the awd on the skyline is different then a regular awd system. how is that? i heard 911 turbos have a awd system close to it. i saw some photos of the concept of the new skyline-why have the changed it's looks? i thought they were good enough on there own. thanks for being cool with me Assasin11-17. you live in japan? do you ever come to the states? if you are ever in washington near seattle i would be happy to show you around. doesn't a i-6 engine with twin turbo only putting out 320hp sound funny, arn't turbos supposed to give a average of 40% hp. if i do my math right that means the engine it self is only putting out around 220hp.

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
I was thinking about trading in my gt2 for a turbo, do you guys think thats a good trade? i drove my dads turbo the other day and it was alot easyer to drive than my gt2:(, it was very awe inspiring with it's awd, i felt i could drive hard and not crash, i heard the porsche turbo drives like a skyline, is that true? if it is maybe i should get my dad to buy me and skyline rather than a turbo. what do you guys think?

Are you sure you want to trade your GT2 in on a turbo car instead???

So, could you sell the GT2? Or would pop say "What you talkin about" if you brought it up to him.

I have nver driven a Porsche, so I can not compare. I can tell you, that with the amount of money you could put into a R32 GTR, it would be leathel. Actually you might be too young for that amount of power. If I was your age, with a car you would be capable of buying, I would not be here writing this, if you know what I mean. I was DUMB like that :p

Here's a clip I just found:

www7.http://www7.ocn.ne.jp/~o-dv/dori/kyoudori.htm

I like the paint Job.

Here's another I don't want to see behind me. Unless he wants to race.

Nemesis-what do you mean? instead of a skyline?

SkylineUSA-i don't think my dad would care. he has a new corvette to play around in for right now. he doesn't like the bumpy ride in my gt2 anyways, so i don't think he even cares about the car. why would i want to buy a r32? don't they have newer versions? yeah, i like the idea that it's so upgradable. how much money would it take to fully modify it? lol, maybe i should hold off on the skyline cus i'm still that dumb:sun:. myabe i could pay one of you guys to come to seattle and upgrade the skyline for me and teach me a little about the car while you're at it.

Assasin11-17-in seattle we have some pimped out mustangs and corvettes for some of our cop cars. corvettes scare me, mustangs? i don't think so. i have been reading more and more about these skylines and all this talk is getting me excited:flash:. i can't wait to get my hands on one, maybe i should just keep my gt2 and buy a skyline? or should i still trade my gt2 for a 911 turbo. or......just trade my gt2 for a skyline? what seem like the best deal to you guys?

Keep the GT2 if you have one, no reason to sell it if money isn't an issue. Buy one the already legalized R32 GT-R's that are for sale in California:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB24&Number=67290570&page=33&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67307290&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Then ship it over here and we'll build you a balanced, reliable 700hp road race car. :cool:

My Stang will kill most GTRs in the 1/4:D

I guess you could afford a R33, or an R34. For the money, the R32 is by far the best bang for the buck. Its more of a pure sports car, less bells and whistles. They are roughly 150lbs lighter, plus they look a lot better in person. Pictures do not do the R32 GTR justice.

There is a guy locally around you there that has one. He is on here every now and then.

Its not that easy to just fly in and do the work. I wish it was, I would be all over that:D

R34 GTR would be my choice. In Japan they have many street driven, everyday R34's doing 9 sec 1/4s on road tyres. Thats the beauty of a GTR Vs a RWD car, the RWD car will not do that time on the street. A GTR will.
GTR's AWD is different because in essence it is a RWD but when slip is detected in the rear wheels torque is given to the front wheels as well, thats why u can still get them sideways around a corner etc, but flooring it in a straight u will get nothing but grip and straight acceleration.

Originally posted by phatdex
but flooring it in a straight u will get nothing but grip and straight acceleration.
On a stock GT-R maybe... :)

please don't accuse me of being a liar.

you just said it's your dads car.
coulda said that a while ago..


and if anyone hasn't opened their eyes yet,
the gt2 is a turbo car.

the gt2 is a 911tt minus the awd and with more hp.

so you'd trade it for a turbo car... except it is...

the only thing you'd get is awd, more eletronic controls and less hp... why would you want that?

learn to drive what you've got...

technicaly it's my dads car. my mom is on my side and says it's mine. if i didn't drive it, it would be sitting in our garage being a waste of money. by turbo, i mean a porsche 911 turbo. i didn't say you were a lier flylwsi, you called me a lier and i stated a sientiffic fact. why i want a 911 turbo is cus i like the awd on it. just like you guys would take a skyline over a nsx i want a turbo over my gt2.

skyline and nsx are two different animals and not comparable in the same sense you're comparing.

you want an awd car, not the turbo.

the gt2 is a turbo car.

it has more electronic stability controls, which make the difference in the handling as opposed to its having awd.

and to clarify, alot of people on this site claim they own some car and post pics. that's why i called you out. you proved yourself. i'm done with that.

back to my point though...
most road tests i've read in regards to the turbo vs. gt2 compare the different electronic "controls" and aids the cars have as opposed to the fact that it's awd. in a car like a porsche, it's not as important.

picking a skyline over an nsx has more to do with things than just awd...

flylwsi-i understand what you mean but all i ment was a rwd compared to awd. i just like the control of awd. from what i have read the porsche 911 Turbo is totaly different than a gt2. yes they are both turbo charged but two different cars in there own respect. gt2 is stripped out and ment for the track and the Turbo has more luxary and more of a "daily driver" as they said on some review in a magazine. not that i would compare a nsx to a skyline. it's just a rwd to awd comparison. in regaurds to the awd system in the skyline. the awd system on the turbo seems to be like the awd on the skyline. it's mostly rwd then when you push the car and it puts power to the front wheels. i was reading about the 'differentials' on the turbo at my friends house and from what they discribed they are totaly different then other differentials. i guess they use some kinda liquid system, lol, sorry, i'm not to smart on cars. i just like to drive them. GUYs! you'll never beleave this---------i smoked a viper!!!!!! it was the most exciting thing. i have left my dads Z06 in the dust but i never thought i could shoot down a viper. i like to think he was trying. i was on the freeway and he came up beside me and flipped his head lights of and one a few times. i couldn't see the driver (it was to dark) but i flipped my lights off and on and he started to take off, i just put the petal to the metal (i was in 4th gear keeping the rpms down). then, next thing i know, i'm passing the viper. i took it to the redline in 4th gear (that was the highest i have ever reved in any car). right as i was thinking about shifting, he slowed down. i don't remember how fast i was going. i didn't care, but i remember it was scary going that fast. after i slowed down he took an exit. what do you guys think? we he just taking it easy on me or is my car really possible of that? he seemed to be serious about it------i was.

Quite possibly, you could have very well handed the viper his ass. Then again you have to think in the other box. He may have pulled off in disgrace, or he needed to get gas. Of course I would say that I smoked him. Reminds me of the other night when a WRX pulled up and wanted to race. I didn't for a bunch of good reasons. There at least quarter inch thick ice up and down the road. The roads were narrow. I was actually contimplating it until I thought of my friends most recent confrontation with the guardrail in a different WRX. Well regardless the other guy luanched it. He was just a little bit in front of me so I started pushing on the gas. At that same moment I felt some fishtail so I decided against it.
At the very same time the WRX slipped out just a bit but recovered. Then he hit a small and unfortunate feline. To make a long story short the WRX snuck away at the next red light and I just laughed at my own stupidity. I should have launched instead of waiting. I would have beat his ass easily.:)

Make sure you guys think before you make a life altering mistake, OK:cool:

i have never driven a viper so i don't know if it was possible for me to beat him. poor kitty, i'm glad they are redesigning the wrx, it's wide, flat front just didn't make me feel warm inside.

Assasin11-17-how much hp does your skyline have?

Some cars can be faster the way they are designed, but its also easier to make mistakes. Personaly I would like to have the awd system, not that I am bad driver, but they are more forgiving, and get a little water on the track, the awd car will kill all the rwd cars.

There's a good article in Sports Compact Car with an R33, WRX, Lancer, and Audi TT. Skyline had good numbers. WRX got wrecked. Audi was slow. Tested on a wet track. It just takes a split second to make a car completely useless. With that fact in mind ya gotta still have fun. The mag was April 03 so you might not see it anymore unless your overseas and have slow shipping.

Originally posted by sami

On a stock GT-R maybe... :)

We have a Top secret GTR here in Aus which has a T88 on it and it doesnt spool up till about 5500rpm, and supposedly no grip is lost and u hold ur foot down and just go straight. Judging from the review I read.

I thought a GT2 was bloody fast.
The awd TT porsche did 0-100km/h in a mag I read at 4.11, and the new viper did it in 4.3, so I guess u would beat it. The R34 did it in 4.5 with an exhaust and thats it.

Originally posted by phatdex
We have a Top secret GTR here in Aus which has a T88 on it and it doesnt spool up till about 5500rpm, and supposedly no grip is lost and u hold ur foot down and just go straight. Judging from the review I read.
I quess it once again depends on the tires and surface. My GT-R with twin Garrett GT25s, ~600 hp and 245/17 Yokohamas is having traction problems when you floor it. Not so much on a straight road though but even there you can burn rubber on 1st and 2nd.

hmmm... but if your turbo didn't spool til 5500, you'd at least be moving, and wouldn't have to worry as much about traction b/c it's not making massive power until at least 1/2 way through the gear, so you'd at least be rolling... kinda makes sense...

but keep in mind that that type of car has massive mods all around... that's the same reason that drag cars get massive traction, they've got suspensions built for it... so i'm sure that car has an upgraded suspension to keep up with massive power...

Originally posted by flylwsi
hmmm... but if your turbo didn't spool til 5500, you'd at least be moving, and wouldn't have to worry as much about traction b/c it's not making massive power until at least 1/2 way through the gear, so you'd at least be rolling... kinda makes sense...
I'm sure they'd still be driving it above 5500 most of the time... :)

I'd be more worried about sudden burst of power, if it happens at the wrong place, you'd lose control quite easily if you're not prepared for it. And sometimes even then. Once again applies more to road with turns on it.

my gt2 does hall ass. i did some reading up on vipers today, the viper i smoked wasn't one of the new vipers. it was one of the older designs. but from what i read, i had to of wipped his ass, big time. i don't know if i could stand my turbos kicking in until a higher rev. i love how my gt2 has such a sudden kick straight from idle. i talked to my mom, she doesn't care if i trade in my gt2 for a new turbo. my dad is out of town for the weekend and even if he wasn't he probly wouldn't notice the gt2 was gone. and by the time he finds out he probly won't have time to yell at me! pretty clever huh?:sun: i think so. i heard you can tune a turbo to some where over 600hp. does that sound about right? i think 600hp is enough to take on any skyline that comes my way (with all do respect-i love you guys;) [totaly not being gay]). how much money would you guys think it would take to get a turbo to 600hp? the artical was not specific.

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
i think 600hp is enough to take on any skyline that comes my way
That might be true when you consider the number of Skylines in this country. Just don't try to run any of the Seattle Skylines, they'll kill you. ;)

There's always somone out there faster than you. Just hone your driving skills. The better you are at driving all around, the more horse power you can handle. The less inclined you are to do crazy stuff. Or so I'm told. To get back to the original pos I still love my R32 cause it is awesome in the snow. It just dumped about 8 inches here.

I guess diff changes and tyre and suspension changes would make the difference.
I wouldnt weant a turbo spoolin at 5500rpm tho, think I would go GT2530's like the MINES car.

2530's are very good all around up-grade for GTRs.

I too would not want to wait until 5500 for the boost to really hit, plus you would need a differnt cam set-up, more$

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
2530's are very good all around up-grade for GTRs.

I too would not want to wait until 5500 for the boost to really hit, plus you would need a differnt cam set-up, more$
5500rpm would be a pain to drive. I have full boost by 3500 with the GT25's.

I got my whole camkit for $1000. HKS 272/272, adjustable cam gears, springs...cams by themselves would have been only $500 for the pair so definately even with 2530's I would change the cams.

Yes, but with a turbo that only starts to hit boost at 5500, it will need a cam change a lot worst than a GTR with 2530.

The power band would be so far off, it would be a waste of money if the stock cams were left on with that other turbo set up.

SkylineUSA,
Alright man, here's the deal. As much as I know you love your R32 I have decided it is time to finally make a purchase. MotoRex has finally called me back and told me that they have an R33 GT-R that is for sale. Although it is not stock, like I wanted, they are going to put it back into stock form (turbos) but change out the gears and put in an OS Giken Gear set for me so that I won't have to worry about transmission problems. I will be sending them the money for the car on Monday. So here's the question...What would you do to make the 33 GT-R "bad-ass" since the 32 in your opinion is better. By the way, I'm not to fond of the color, it's white.

How come theres no KPGC10 KGC10 or C110 Skylines in the poll?

They are the best Skylines ever hands down.

BTW you guys should see www.rbmotoring.com

MotoWrecks has some competition.

Supra650, why would u want motorex to change ur GTR to stock just so u can mod it again? If u wanted to change the setup u could just sell the bits already on the car.

Originally posted by Dorikin
MotoWrecks has some competition.
Motorex is doing the legalization for RBMotoring so it really isn't competition.

Yes, like sami said RBMotoring, sub-contracts the legalization out to MotoRex, so how could that be competition:confused:



Supra650RSP,

J you have a PM:cool:

it's desided, i have talked to the seattle porsche dealer and i can make a clean trade with my gt2 for a brand new turbo. i'll talk to some local street racers some time soon and ask them about the best place to go for modifieing porsches'. i really like these skylines, but i like 911 turbos better----sorry guys. maybe some time in the future i can talk my dad into buying one of the new ones coming to america and then just 'steal' it.

http://www.roadfly.org/porsche/forums/

http://www.986forum.com/forums/index.php

http://www.carpassion.com/en/forum/viewforum.php?forum=10

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10

I would go to sites like this and ask about work on Porsches, not street racers.

Working on cars is a little more detailed than you think, its almost like learning a new language, I know a lot of detailed information on a lot of cars, but not Porsches. I would not touch a porsche, since I really have not studied them.

GO TO A SPECIALIST, that's the best advice I can give you.

Tony

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
it's desided, i have talked to the seattle porsche dealer and i can make a clean trade with my gt2 for a brand new turbo. i'll talk to some local street racers some time soon and ask them about the best place to go for modifieing porsches'. i really like these skylines, but i like 911 turbos better----sorry guys. maybe some time in the future i can talk my dad into buying one of the new ones coming to america and then just 'steal' it.

if you are really serious about modding that porsche and can afford it then there is only one answer RUF.

Actually, it's to get the car cheaper and to get a set-up that would be more prefered for me personally. I'm going to be dumping a lot of money into the car itself so if I can get MotoRex to set-up a good platform for me I will have them do that...and use the parts they take off the car as kinda a payment method.

true on rbmotoring.


their site wasn't even fully up the last time i looked...

sean (tyndago) is working with/at rb motoring, and he was a motorex employee.
he also said directly that they are not taking themselves as competition to motorex...

ryno...

i personally wouldn't trade the gt2 in for a turbo. you'll be disappointed when you drive the other one.

the power difference of almost 50hp is pretty big...

less gizmos, but more power... if you want to mod a car, you should start with what you've got and learn how to drive it... not trade in for a less powerful car...

consider what it would cost to get the extra 50hp back...

why not just work with what you've got?

learn to drive the difficult car instead of going to something that's less powerful and more electronically controlled.

Dont both those porsches have the same engine, just one has a bit more power?
If theyre the same engines, I'm sure its not too hard to get the 50hp back.
And u have 4WD to work with too. For a normal everyday driver, hte 4wd WILL be faster, on the street launches etc etc.

yo flylwsi i know what you are saying. hey if you are going to post something for me can you please do it in my thread, i just happened to fall accross your post. that would suck if a ton of people were trying to post to me and i never got them cus i don't really read all of the threads, only the ones that seem interesting. i have actually been falling in love with my gt2 all over again sence i last posted. when you drive sencably you can't really tell the different between awd and rwd, unless of course i stomp on the gas then i loose major grip but you would be suprised at how long i burn out, one mite think i would burn rubber forever (at least thats what i thought) but even with gunning it at a green light i don't burn out much. i think it's because the engine is in the back.

i understand the awd vs rwd thing, but the turbo has more electronic controls and what not, compared to the stripped down gt2.

that was one thing that's been noted in the reviews quite often...
the turbo will catch you, but the gt2 is more of a "real" car, and allows you to overdo things...

i'm not saying keep it just b/c of the rwd vs awd thing here...

there's more to it than that...

RyNoSeRuS,

Whats your story? I would like to say that I don't begrudge you your cars and material possessions, however it is hard not to be disturbed. I am not sure if you are aware that it seems you are flaunting your wealth and good fortune. It would be one thing if these possessions were the fruits of your labors, but it doesn't sound that way.

I don't mean to preach (much), but it appears from what you have posted, that you may not have a full appreciation of how the rest of the world lives. I may be wrong, if so I appologize.

Al

HellBent-if i have seriously offened you i'm very sorry, i have not tryed to (in anyway) flaunt anything, not to be snotty or anything but i really don't see what you are saying about my posts. i understand how the world lives and i have travled.....alot (not flaunt anything, but to show that i have seen many cultours). i didn't come here to brag, i came here for help and disscusion, a friend told me about this site. if i was really trying to impress someone i could take pictures of every thing that i own. i do apreciate what i have and i respect most everyone on here. again i'm sorry if i have made waves. i just love my gt2, thats all.

RyNoSeRuS,

I am not trying to put you down or disrespect you. However, I grew up with people who did not appreciate what they had after it was handed to them. They ended up as managers and CEOs, yet had no idea of the value of money or how the world works, and they treat their people with indifference.

I shouldn't vent on you, but I just see some of you words echoing theirs. I am glad to hear that you have traveled and seen other cultures, it is a good start. I hope you will challenge yourself and seek your own fortune.

I am not offended just concerned. Sorry if I came across as angry.

Al

R34 M Spec NUR :D

The most powerful (detuned from 450hp to 280hp), and simply beautiful! It is the luxury version of the R34 GT-R too!

HellBent-it's all good man. water under the bridge, and you didn't seem angry just jumped to a assumtion. i don't plan on being a big shot dude, i acctually want to be some kind of a entertainer.:flash: i'm just greatful for what i have man! too change the subject, i heard the skyline for america will be getting a v8 instead of the ttv6. is that true?

I heard that too, if it does its pretty gay. Why change what nissan does to suit the American market?!?!
A Jap sports car with V8? Just seems wrong.

R34 GTR...

because it's the best and I have one model 2000 !

Originally posted by Dorikin
How come theres no KPGC10 KGC10 or C110 Skylines in the poll?

They are the best Skylines ever hands down.
.

yes they are, but the R33 is just so sexy man:p

I have to agree...R33's look pretty damn good

The R33 is a great car and looks really nice. I must say that my favorite Skyline GT-R is the R32. It started everything and the R32 in gunmetal grey metallic is in my opinion one of the best looking cars ever made. R34 GT-R M-Spec NUR is my second favorite though so nice :)

to clarify, the skyline will be getting at ttv6, not a v8.

the jgtc cars already have the v6tt in them.

Originally posted by flylwsi
to clarify, the skyline will be getting at ttv6, not a v8.

the jgtc cars already have the v6tt in them.

ANd what a glorious day it will be, once we get over the fact that it has no RB.

I hated the idea at first, but a bunch of guys on here have swayed my opionion ;)

But what we were saying is, supposedly the japs are the only ones getting the V6TT and the rest of the countries are getting the V8, now that would be gay. Hopefully its not true.

I also heard that rumor. They think us Americans are obsessed with big V-8's. The muscle car era is over even though I love a lot of those cars. I don't want no V-8 unless its a friggin Hemi!!:D The V-6TT should be good as the GT-R's with them seem to be doing just as well the RB powered ones if not better. Now its the damn price tag that is gonna hurt I heard $70k+

Originally posted by R34 GT-R SKYLINE
I also heard that rumor. They think us Americans are obsessed with big V-8's. The muscle car era is over even though I love a lot of those cars. I don't want no V-8 unless its a friggin Hemi!!:D The V-6TT should be good as the GT-R's with them seem to be doing just as well the RB powered ones if not better. Now its the damn price tag that is gonna hurt I heard $70k+
correction 85k+, I swear it tear's my heart out to hear that.:(
The "v-8 era is so over in the states, all you see is honda civic's with bodykit's, flashy strobe light's, 50 pound 17 inch "CHROME" rim's and a wack ass exhaust "shrieking" from a block way.
-Dave
not all of this is true though, there are a few "real" japanese car enthusiast that don't fall under the "vinyl sticker on the whole body curse", hey that's a great name, from now on wil call it that.:D

did I forget to add a big ass nast ass hell wing,hehe.

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