505 bored out?


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v10_viper
02-03-2003, 08:52 PM
I'm wondering if anyone knows what the new 505.5 cubic inch engine is capable of being bored out to?? I believe the 488's were able to safely go to 550, wonderin if this could go to more?? Anyone know??

Scott 02
02-07-2003, 11:07 AM
Im not completely sure, but I think you can bore one of these out to 550+ cubic inches. Aslong as the cylendar walls are not to thin......

Misundaztood
02-09-2003, 07:34 PM
That'd be pretty sweet actually.:cool:

Scott 02
02-09-2003, 10:28 PM
Yeah. I know for sure it can probably be 60 over... 600ci max. If you were to want more Cubic Inches then You would have to go to a different Cam Shaft.

Neutrino
02-09-2003, 10:45 PM
why would you bore out a viper engine IMO is plenty big. I don't think even the gts-r (full spec racing) was bored out. If you really want some insane power just slap a twin turbo. With 6 psi you'll probablly be over 700 horses easily.

Scott 02
02-09-2003, 10:51 PM
My guess would be looking for 1500HP + That would be crazy i'd think. But people love that HP and big motors these days. I rather have a Hog block bored out, but that would be too much weight and hard on gas. Oh well, its ass kickin Horsepower isn't it?:D BTW, you got your bragging right of saying " yeah, i got a 600ci V-8 with a Supercharger with 14:1 compression" Its may not be true for everyone, but it is for some....

why would you bore out a viper engine IMO is plenty big. I don't think even the gts-r (full spec racing) was bored out. If you really want some insane power just slap a twin turbo. With 6 psi you'll probablly be over 700 horses easily.

Yes its plenty big thats for sure. The Twin Turbo's and Superchargers come after you have reach the 800HP mark:D

v10_viper
02-10-2003, 02:20 PM
I'm sure it's capable of over 550.

why would you bore out a viper engine IMO is plenty big. I don't think even the gts-r (full spec racing) was bored out. If you really want some insane power just slap a twin turbo. With 6 psi you'll probablly be over 700 horses easily.

i was j/w how big it could get. anyways it doesn't compare to the 655 cid V-8 i have seen in Mopar Magazine

450HPviper
03-07-2003, 10:26 AM
Why????:confused: :huh:
Isn't 450HP enough. Over 1000HP would be uncontrolable unless you were an expert or did something else with it. Like Drag Slicks.

v10_viper
03-08-2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by 450HPviper
Why????:confused: :huh:
Isn't 450HP enough. Over 1000HP would be uncontrolable unless you were an expert or did something else with it. Like Drag Slicks.

no i'm talkin bout the new Viper engine, it's 505.5 base form, if I did the calculation right it should come out to around 567.5 c.i. does that sound right if you were to bore it out about .060"?

450HPviper
03-11-2003, 06:36 AM
no i'm talkin bout the new Viper engine, it's 505.5 base form, if I did the calculation right it should come out to around 567.5 c.i. does that sound right if you were to bore it out about .060"?

Sorry. That sounds about right. Big time power.:D

Scott 02
03-11-2003, 12:45 PM
That sounds about right
: :lol2: :lol2: : :hehehe:
How would you know steve? Show me your calculations.:finger:

450HPviper
03-12-2003, 09:19 AM
You don't even know what stroke means scott, so shut the hell up.

Scott 02
03-12-2003, 05:58 PM
You don't even know what stroke means scott
Oh my!!!!! I sure do, don't get me started b/c i might just have to write a damn long post about that it means and how its used to make HP.

v10_viper
03-12-2003, 07:06 PM
.030 over: 535.9 cid
.060 over: 567.5 cid
.090 over: 600.1 cid !!!

pretty awesome, wonder how much more you can bore it out to before they get too thin. if you want me to prove my calculations i will, but i'm just too lazy:D

450HPviper
03-13-2003, 09:40 AM
Hey scott, kiss my ass, because I do have the calculations right here.

The Formula.
Bore x Bore x Stroke x # of pistons x .7854 x 16.387 = Displacement cc

The Bore of the new viper is 4.03
The Stroke of the new viper is 3.96

4.03 x 4.03 = 16.2409
16.2409 x 3.96 = 64.313964
64.313964 x 10 = 643.13964
643.13964 x .7854 = 505.121873256
505.121873256 x 16.387 = 8277.432137046072

So that rounds down to 8277cc.

So scott, go search the internet and do your homework.

Ah, I almost forgot. 16.387 is the conversion for inches cubed to centimeters cubed. So the Displacement of the new viper in inches is ???????

505.121873256 inches cubed. So that would be 505 inches cubed.

Scott, both numbers are right, so if you want to know the displacement of your 3.8. just ask.:D

This forever proves that I know the most about VIPERS:D

v10_viper
03-14-2003, 01:09 PM
actually...it is...bore squared * stroke * pi * # of cylinders / 4, and to find out displacement in cc, u just take the bore and stroke*25.4 and that'l give you like, 100 and some mm, than ya just use the same forumla again....but ya get the same answers if ya do it 450HPviper's way.....well not quite, but to the nearest hundredth anyways..it's just simple math...

are you sure you know the most about Vipers???:flipa:

Scott 02
03-14-2003, 02:29 PM
are you sure you know the most about Vipers???
Yes! You don't understand....I go to school with 450HPviper and a good friend. He by far knows alot about Vipers. You can ask him anything and he will have a right answer. It gets kind of anoying at times, but I have got used to it.

450HPviper
03-17-2003, 04:57 AM
Bore x Bore = Bore Squared
:D :flipa:

Scott 02
03-17-2003, 01:34 PM
Screw you, You just wait smart a$$. I'll hit you with a question that will make you look stupid...:finger:

450HPviper
03-27-2003, 08:20 AM
Let's go:flipa:

Scott 02
03-29-2003, 05:14 AM
:rolleyes:

450HPviper
03-31-2003, 08:30 AM
:rolleyes:

Don't give me that look. :finger4:

Come on man, try me.:D

Scott 02
04-01-2003, 08:39 PM
POST WHORE!:flipa:

arthur12187
04-01-2003, 09:22 PM
i think scott is in love with the viper! your always posting here!

450HPviper
04-02-2003, 07:49 AM
You got it all wrong, It is me who loves the viper.

arthur12187
04-02-2003, 09:01 PM
either one of u guys like vipers! o ya 450, which viper was used in the car show called viper?? ( still remember that show and it was awesome )

Scott 02
04-02-2003, 09:36 PM
Damn Steve, you posted like hell today. :eek:

v10_viper
04-02-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by arthur12187
either one of u guys like vipers! o ya 450, which viper was used in the car show called viper?? ( still remember that show and it was awesome )

It was a red Viper RT/10 that turned into the "Defender". The Defender was built by Metalcrafters.

Here's a question, What are the four "fourfathers" of the Viper?

btw, I've never seen the show Viper, just know a lot about it cuz I know a lot about Vipers, and will challenge anyone who thinks they know more.:devil:

Edit: also, What was the first prototype vehicle to use the Viper's engine?

arthur12187
04-03-2003, 03:31 PM
u got it partially correct but it was a blue viper!

Scott 02
04-03-2003, 05:25 PM
What are the four "fourfathers" of the Viper?

450HPviper will be all over that question. He will have a good answer.

arthur12187
04-03-2003, 06:24 PM
some dude is rich enough to buy 2 vipers!
http://www.waxmycar.com/vipers.jpg

v10_viper
04-03-2003, 07:21 PM
u got it partially correct but it was a blue viper!

ok at first I was going to admit I was wrong and believe you but I remembered that I have a book that has it in it, and it clearly states, and shows, because they had a RED VIPER RT/10 that was cut off from the windsheild back for filming it, it was a red one, the Defender turned into a grey car that had "teeth" in the front.

450HPviper will be all over that question. He will have a good answer.

Well if he knew as much about the Viper as me he wouldn't have to be all over it, I can recite them all by memory.:flipa: :D

some dude is rich enough to buy 2 vipers!
I'm sure there are plenty of people able to afford two Vipers, all those people that bought the Enzo's, well they could afford 5 of them!!! just imagine, having 5 Vipers.....:D :D :D

arthur12187
04-04-2003, 04:37 PM
yup sorry correct! the first season was red, then the dude got cloned and he blew it up! second season was blue wid blue stripes!

v10_viper
04-04-2003, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by arthur12187
yup sorry correct! the first season was red, then the dude got cloned and he blew it up! second season was blue wid blue stripes!

Well then I was PARTIALLY correct, I guess I never heard much about the second season, but in the book it does say it ran for one season and 13 episodes. Was it like a light blue with dark blue stripes or vice versa??

450HPviper
04-22-2003, 05:17 AM
:cwn27:

Your knowledge surprizes me.

:hehehe:

v10_viper
04-22-2003, 08:37 AM
Still no answer?? I'm dissapointed that no one knows who the Viper was even created by!!!, and one is such a legend!!!:eek:

Scott 02
04-22-2003, 10:30 PM
Don't give it away yet, My buddy 450HPviper might know. :) He loves vipers more than you I bet. And I'm really serious about that, trust me.;)

v10_viper
04-23-2003, 07:16 PM
You can say all you want but that doesn't mean shit, still waiting for a reply, how long ago did I ask that?? hm.....I can recite them right away. There's another thread where a guy is wondering how much power the first RT/10's had, MAYBE he can help him, if he doesn't know well then I do.

450HPviper
04-24-2003, 08:39 AM
:cwn27:

450HPviper
04-24-2003, 09:00 AM
The team was Robert A. Lutz, Tom Gale (Designer), and Francois Casting (engineer). Caroll Shelby also played a rule in the production of the first Viper.

OK, Hot Shot, What was the only year the Viper GTS and RT/10 had different Horsepower ratings?

Should be an easy one.

v10_viper
04-24-2003, 07:14 PM
Good job, took long enough, where'd ya find the answer?? btw, it is Castaing not Casting. Carroll did not only play a role, he helped a lot on the Viper's design, take a close look at a GTS and a Daytona Cobra Coupe, they are VERY similar.

The year they had different power ratings was the first year the GTS came out, 96. RT/10's had 415 hp, bumped up from 400, and the GTS of course had 450.

Viper 10
04-24-2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by 450HPviper
The team was Robert A. Lutz, Tom Gale (Designer), and Francois Casting (engineer). Caroll Shelby also played a rule in the production of the first Viper.

OK, Hot Shot, What was the only year the Viper GTS and RT/10 had different Horsepower ratings?

Should be an easy one.

The answer is '96. The GTS was rated at 450 and the RT's were 415. That wasn't the only thing though. Chassis and suspension improvements and exhaust was routed rearward.

By the way, Shelby had nothing to do with the GTS. He pulled out early in the RT/10 prototype stages because of his heart problems. Peter Brock was was very involved with Lutz, Gale and Castaing on the GTS. He was the designed of the original Cobra Daytona Coupe. The GTS is a cross between the concept of the Cobra Daytona and the Ferrari 250 GTO. If you look at the profile, you can see GTO all over the GTS.

Now we have Toyota Camry designers doing the Vipers. What in the heck happened?

DeViL
04-24-2003, 11:08 PM
Nothing happened for the worse, after seeing a silver and red SRT-10 up close they look damn good. I take everything I said back about them not looking very fierce compared to the older styling. However I still like the GTS best of all, I'd be interested to see a hard top version of the new Viper.

450HPviper
04-25-2003, 11:15 AM
I figured I questions was easy.

My spelling sucks. :D

Japmetal
04-25-2003, 04:40 PM
No-one has answered where the engine came from, but I can only manage a partial answer;

I don't know exactly which one, but I know they took it from a truck, recast the block in Aluminium to reduce the weight, then wedged the result into that GORGEOUS concept car; after this my knowledge fails me & I have to admit defeat :(

Polygon
04-25-2003, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Japmetal
No-one has answered where the engine came from, but I can only manage a partial answer;

I don't know exactly which one, but I know they took it from a truck, recast the block in Aluminium to reduce the weight, then wedged the result into that GORGEOUS concept car; after this my knowledge fails me & I have to admit defeat :(

It wasn't really a truck though the engine has seen truck duty in different forms. The Viper engine, as far as I know, is based off of the Chrysler 360ci V8. This was used in a plethra of cars in the 60s and 70s. It has been used in the trucks and Jeeps. Jeeps with the 360 managed 6.0 seconds from 0 to 60 stock. It is not the same engine per-say, but it lends it's design to the 360.

Is that what you were looking for v10?

Scott 02
04-25-2003, 11:02 PM
The team was Robert A. Lutz, Tom Gale (Designer), and Francois Casting (engineer). Caroll Shelby also played a rule in the production of the first Viper.

:D Why to show Viper 10 what you know. Oh BTW Viper 10, He didn't look up the information. I'm telling you he just knows. ;) The reason he took so long to answer is b/c he gets on a computer every other day. Not every day. :rolleyes:

Hit Viper 10 with another question 450HPviper. I want to see Viper 10 OWNED!

v10_viper
04-26-2003, 12:01 AM
By the way, Shelby had nothing to do with the GTS. He pulled out early in the RT/10 prototype stages because of his heart problems. Peter Brock was was very involved with Lutz, Gale and Castaing on the GTS. He was the designed of the original Cobra Daytona Coupe. The GTS is a cross between the concept of the Cobra Daytona and the Ferrari 250 GTO. If you look at the profile, you can see GTO all over the GTS.

Very true, there were many phone calls between them and Carroll Shelby during that period. He also though that they could never remove more than three hundred pounds off the the production Vipers because most of what the put in there was as light as could be almost.


No-one has answered where the engine came from, but I can only manage a partial answer;

You are right, the basis for the Viper's engne was the truck engine, although the power ratings were all wrong and it was way too heavy, they also were going to put them engines in the 94 rams. They used expertise from Lamborghini though too and as you all should and probalby know, both the block and heads were cast in aluminum.

btw, i'm not the one lookin for that answer, I know my share about the Viper, but know one knows more than Brad, he is older than all of us and most importantly owns one, lucky :flipa:.


I do agree though, the SRT-10 needs a little bit more curves, and my background is one of the sweetest GTS's i've yet to see.


Why to show Viper 10 what you know. Oh BTW Viper 10, He didn't look up the information. I'm telling you he just knows. The reason he took so long to answer is b/c he gets on a computer every other day. Not every day.Hit Viper 10 with another question 450HPviper. I want to see Viper 10 OWNED!

Well if he knew the answer, why didn't he answer sooner, how many days, i' mean weeks did he have?? right.....can he not stand up for himself and not have you say everything how you THINK he knows more about Vipers and loves them more than anyone. My passion for a Viper is truly unbearable, it's one of the coolest cars, it is faster than hell and can run circles around Lambos and other exotics, and nothing is cooler than 505 cubic inches, i love every big engine, especially Mopars 655 CID engine, more on that later. I'm not just a fan of the Viper, i love almost everything Mopar. also Scott, i'm v10, not Viper 10, i would love to be in Viper 10's shoes though, haha. also i think it is my turn.

What is the first prototype/concept truck that a Viper engine was put in, this time there are limits, must be answered within a week, i think that's more than sufficient time.

450HPviper
04-28-2003, 09:12 AM
I have an idea, either it is the 97 Trex or 97 dodge dakota sidewinder. I know both had a V-10. So my guess is the 97 dodge dakota sidewinder.

If I am wrong, who gives a shit, because the questions should be about the viper, not it's 8.0 V-10. At least I answered in less then 24 hours. Scott is right, I can only get on AF every other day, if that.:(

Scott 02
04-28-2003, 11:04 PM
It's ok 450HPviper. The questions were supposed to be about the viper not it's engine.:rolleyes:

450HPviper
04-29-2003, 12:04 PM
You mean you want to see v10_viper OWNED!:D

v10_viper
04-29-2003, 10:51 PM
Oh, so you dont care??, then shut the hell up about you loving the Viper so much more than anyone or knowing more about it, and yes that does include knowing about it's engine, and if you can't get on every day i'm sorry then, but please answer ASAP, i myself can't get on every day either because i'm involved in track meet on the Varsity team so i have to run every meet which is about 2-4 times a week. but please, dont take too long to answer, actually instead, let's just drop it, cuz truthfully, i dont mind because I know what i know about the Viper which is quite a damn bit, maybe not everything though.

450HPviper
04-30-2003, 07:55 AM
Do you own a Viper?
Have you sat in a Viper?
Have you riden in a Viper?
Have you driven a Viper?
Have you felt the power? No, so you shut the hell up.

Owned

v10_viper
04-30-2003, 11:08 AM
Do you own a Viper?
Have you sat in a Viper?
Have you riden in a Viper?
Have you driven a Viper?
Have you felt the power? No, so you shut the hell up.

Owned

To all of those except for the first one, yes, you my friend are wrong!:finger:

450HPviper
04-30-2003, 11:41 AM
you my friend are wrong

Me, your friend?
Me, wrong?

Owned:hehe:

v10_viper
04-30-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by 450HPviper


Me, your friend?
Me, wrong?

Owned:hehe:

That just shows how childish you are, you think your never wrong?? What would you know anyway, you wanna be owned, come up to Iowa and I'll own your ass in a fist fight, enough, I'm no leaving this thread because you and scott had to bastardize it by coming in hear and changing the subject, how many other threads have you done this too, leave.

Japmetal
04-30-2003, 03:32 PM
I can't quite see where the argument came from [I think too many ppl with too many hormones, but I dont wanna get involved] but knowing about what powers a car [drivetrain, engine, etc] is an integral part of knowing about it - without it's powerplant, ANY car is just so much scrap metal/plastic

I also don't see the relevence of the first car to use the Viper's V10 - but since the Viper was first built in 1996 I dont think any guesses of cars from '97 are gonna be anywhere near [I always thought the engine was actually devised in 'viper' form to actually go in the Viper concept car]

If you guys wanna argue can't you find somewhere better to do it than clogging up these forums ?

450HPviper
05-01-2003, 11:46 AM
childish

You are 15 years old. You don't even have your licence yet, do you? HAHA You driving a Viper My ASS, You can't even bare the sound of one!
450HPviper OWNZJOO!

v10_viper
05-01-2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by 450HPviper


You are 15 years old. You don't even have your licence yet, do you? HAHA You driving a Viper My ASS, You can't even bare the sound of one!
450HPviper OWNZJOO!

Can you be any more immature?? Have you ever heard of a learner's permit, must not have, it's a little card like a driver's license you can get at the age of 14 that allows you to drive with someone with their license, anywhere anytime. think about that dumbass.

Edit: Poly, any way you can close this thread because it's going absolutely nowhere, as Japmetal said, this thread is being clogged up by Moron 1 and Moron 2 aka scott and 450

450HPviper
05-02-2003, 07:59 AM
With your permit, you cannot drive with just anyone. You can only drive with a parent (OHIO LAW). But anyway, by chance did you max the viper out, did you spin the tires?

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