and the winner by a long shot the Ford F-150

Well, the F-150 has zero votes, the Titan has got one, looks to me like "the winner by a long shot is the Nissan Titan"

I'll pick anything over the F-150.

The F150 is the best selling vehicle in america. It gets my vote

Originally posted by Fliquer
The F150 is the best selling vehicle in america. It gets my vote

Yeah, but that doesn't make it better.

Originally posted by Fliquer
The F150 is the best selling vehicle in america. It gets my vote

nope, it isn't by a good amount, Ford counts the F-150, the fleet sales, the superduty and one of the SUV's based on the F-150 chassis in those sales. GM counts solely the silverado and sierra 1500 sales for hteir numbers, if they included avalanche and fleet sales alone they would be higher, let alone the envoy & trailblazers which are based on the same chassis, ford loves to mislead people.

And i'll give my vote to the Titan, hopefully its got a better chassis then the ford.

FYRHWK1 this is not true ford only counts the f150 sales and heavy duty they dont include the Expedition with that said the Expedition is the Best Selling Full Size SUV all though it is on the same chassis,Chevy sometimes includes the GMC Sierra on all of there sales when it is the same exact vehicle except for badging, but on any other note the F-150 has better quality thatn the vehicles and is better in all other categories the Titan wont even come close to the F-150 so the hands down winner is the F-150

yes, Ford DOES count one of their SUVs, i just cant remember which one, and they DO count fleet sales while the GM counterparts don't. and no, CHEVROLET does not count the sierra sales, GM as a whole does but thats because its the EXACT same truck with different badges, a superduty with a different chassis and a SUV with a new body and structure. if you counted the silverado 1500, sierra 1500, and just their fleet sales the 1500 truck would outsell the ford, if you counted the SUV's based off of those frames (which you shouldn't) then the gap would be even further.

and QUALITY? the ford automatic is piss poor copmared to GM's offering and the 6L walks all over the 5.4, interior wise . .. they're trucks, noone cares much about their interior.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
and QUALITY? the ford automatic is piss poor copmared to GM's offering and the 6L walks all over the 5.4, interior wise . .. they're trucks, noone cares much about their interior.

Good point, Ford can't touch that Allison tranny. I am sorry but IMO Ford is in a distant last with quality, power, looks, and usefulness. Dodge and Chevy are the REAL workers trucks.

combined, the silverado/sierra line outsells the f-150 considerably. but since they're counted separately, it's a different story.

and being the best seller doesn't automatically imply it's a better car. for strictly a work truck and heavy duty work, i'd pick the f-150 over the nissan. sorry, but US still builds the best work trucks out there. but to live with on a daily basis, i dont' see why anyone would pick the f-150.

No the f150 is the best selling single vehicle in america. THat is not including anything but the f150, ur an idiot. I would take the tourqshift transmission all day long over the allison, and as far as quality goes f150's stomp GM products, thats why they sell more, they are better trucks. 5.4 has much more torqe than that 5.3 and as for the heavy duty with the 6 liter, it cost 45 loaded, what a rip, i could get a harley truck that would stomp it for 7 grand less, plus the new 5.4 is coming out and its no comparison. The only competition is the 5.7 hemi, buts its more of a horsepower motor, it doesnt make its torqe till 4400 rpms.

i dunno much about the F150 but from what i'm seeing, the titan looks pretty hot. its got a really nice interior for a truck, and is better then most car interior. its runs on the nissan 4.5 liter v8 which is also one of nissan's master pieces, but i cna't imagine anyone using that truck to do any heavy duty work, its too pretty to get dirty and so on.

I wasnt quoting ford. I was quoting nearly every automotive magazine sold on these shores.

Yep chevy out sales and out performs Ford. I raced my 99 Silverado Ext. Cab 5.3L, with just a Borla muffler against my buddies 01 F150 single cab with the 5.4L. For about the first 2 gears its pretty dead even, and then once i shift into 3rd i start walking away.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
Yep chevy out sales and out performs Ford. I raced my 99 Silverado Ext. Cab 5.3L, with just a Borla muffler against my buddies 01 F150 single cab with the 5.4L. For about the first 2 gears its pretty dead even, and then once i shift into 3rd i start walking away.

Thats basically what it is, they're both dead even down low and then the 1500 starts walking away up top, have your cake & eat it too i suppose.

Yup I have no respect for the f-150 and only a little bit more for the superduties.Ford can't make a good auto tranny to save its life and I'm not terribly impressed by the triton engines either. Ford just continues to put out poor quality products

I'm sorry what trucks are we comparing? F-150 - Silverado, F-150 - Titan?

I'm suprised to hear all the bad comments about the F-150? Has anybody ever ridden in one? You have no idea what a truck ride should feel like until you have ridden in their new ones. Its simply outstanding.

I've rode in both Silverados and F-150s (not Titans, but doesn't seem its in this thread) and let me tell you, the F-150 is a far superior ride (if that means much to some people). The torque is instant and when your pulling anything, it hardly feels like there is anything behind you (same for the new silverados to). Their a big improvment from their counterparts. Weren't they the truck of the year anyways? Thats gotta take count for somthing.

I myself would take a Titan over an F-150, but would take any ford diesel over the any Nissan truck any day of the week. Gotta love the International built diesel engine.

anyone see the car&driver that compared the 5 top trucks?
Im pretty sure they were comparing 4 doors but anyhoo... its still relative.

here are the final stats:
1st Nissan Titan
2nd Ford F-150
3rd Dodge Ram 1500
4th Toyota Tundra Double Cab
5th Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab

anyone see the car&driver that compared the 5 top trucks?
Im pretty sure they were comparing 4 doors but anyhoo... its still relative.

here are the final stats:
1st Nissan Titan
2nd Ford F-150
3rd Dodge Ram 1500
4th Toyota Tundra Double Cab
5th Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab
yup i saw that. nissan did me proud. 7.6 0-60 vs f150's 9.8. the f150 is pushing 20 lbs per hp

BOTH companies count ALL domestic sales of the 8600GVWR vehicles in making thier claims. GM just does not add the Chevy and the GMC models as one, ford does outsell everyone else, ford has greater owner loyalty.

As for the allison transmission, its only available on select models. the 4L60E is the std tranny....ford has a slight edge on tranny durability, fords diesel is better and ford offers a V10 to compete with the 6.0 altho ford makes a 5.4 supercharged in select models that kills the 6.0 - at any rate, you cannot say one is superior and the other is junk. That argument was dropped for most people in the 8th grade.


However, the poll was F150 vs Titan, here it is no contest - F150 hands down, the nissan has zero track record, zero longevity claims. Come back in 10 years and run the poll

And btw, I own both an F150 (222K miles) and a K2500 (231K miles) and the ford is by far the better quality vehicle in the long and short run.

And yes, todays consumer DOES care about the interior and its appointments. With gas prices at record highs and truck suv sales now surpassing those of 'cars', the choice is clear as to what is preferred.

Although it is new to the market, my vote still goes to the TITAN.

Although it is new to the market, my vote still goes to the TITAN.

My vote also goes to the titan.

i would like to know what you all think makes a good truck?
most people seem to be concerned with an engine....power power power

but what good is a 300, 350, 400 hp engine if the truck falls apart?
who floors the accelerator and drags from stop light to stoplight?

engines are a vital part of a truck...but trucks are for work..and it takes more than an engine to haul a load. if you want to race, buy a sports car...

and the allison tranny? ford's new torqshift beats the hell out of it. motor trend said it, four wheeler magazine said it, pickuptruck.com said it
hell, even i say it. and dodges auto trannies are terrible...as far as the nissan...whos to say....its new.

and as far as being number one not signifying a good truck...if ford didnt make good trucks, no one would buy them...being number one doesnt make them good, being good trucks make them number one...

and a lil known fact most dont consider...ford has the highest owner loyalty of all pickup truck manufactures. 56 percent of ford owners buy another ford at their next purchase. and while the fact that f-series is the number one selling truck is based upon the 150, 250, and 350....the fact that the f 150 is the number one selling VEHICLE is america, car or truck, is based soley on the sales of the f150.

so while im not saying that chevys and dodges, and all the others arent good trucks, they are not number one. america is a democracy after all, the people have spoken.

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