What do all of you think of this car?

is there any pics?

I say its pretty interesting looking but for now its only a prototype so the looks will change if it will reach production. Also i want to see some specs.

Here is a link to a pic i found--->Caddy (http://se.news.yahoo.com/030106/45/13mqu.html)

The Cadillac Sixteen is rear-wheel drive powered by an all-aluminum 13.6-liter engine. It includes technology such as Displacement on Demand, which allows the engine to run on four, eight or sixteen cylinders depending on driving conditions. Other advancements include:

7,000 rpm capability
1,000 horsepower and 1,000 lbs.-ft. of torque
Advanced cylinder head port design
Titanium alloy valves and valve springs
Variable camshaft phasing
The interior is a pure expression of design, with fine woods, precision cut metals and crystal used in harmony throughout. The opulent, yet refined, interior features:
Hand-stitched Tuscany leather seats
Hand-woven silk carpets
Custom-designed crystal cluster dials
Custom Bulgari® clock
Reclining rear seats with foot and leg rests
Bose® sound system
DVD Information and entertainment system
Fifth-generation OnStar in-vehicle safety and security communication system


Theres some specs for you.They say theres a very good chance that they are making it.And if they do,the model they had a the Auto Show on January 5th is the one they will make.

Well- the sides and the pillarless windows are all gravy- haven't seen the rear-


But the front is :apuke:

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1355 nm to the rear wheels sounds like a stupid idea.
Oh, and a four speed automatic, wtf?

Why is this in here btw? (Car Comparisons)

Its a comparision between the Sixteens looks.

Originally posted by Deakins
1355 nm to the rear wheels sounds like a stupid idea.
Oh, and a four speed automatic, wtf?

Yea, I think the concept of the engine (Displacement on demand) sounds interesting, the car looks good (Some will love it, some will hate it)

But, I agree whole heartedly with Deakins. 1000+hp/tq to the rear wheel no less!? Common now people. I understand the luxury car with plenty of poke idea. Thats good, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Merc, ect ect have all done this. But I think 1000+hp is just a tad bit to much! Do we really want 70 year old (millionares) driving around in these monsters?

Any how [/rant]

V-16 and all aluminum body... plus the fact that its $200,000 Is all this necessary???? looks to me like a hardtop Prowler :rolleyes:

But see,it dont matter what it looks like.This car is very unique because unlike all other cars,it actually looks different...it doesnt look like everthing else out there.

plus the fact that its $200,000 Is all this necessary????

Well,let me ask you this...is the new Mercedes Maybach nesessary?$300,000?It goes both ways.If a Bently is worth 200 grand then why wouldnt this be?

But I think 1000+hp is just a tad bit to much! Do we really want 70 year old (millionares) driving around in these monsters?

Hell why not.Anyone who has millions to spend will buy one.And as I said before,this car has far greater looks then a Bently or Rolls,I say this because Rolls and Bently havent really change their looks for 15 years in my opinion.And this car has such excellent design,is got that sleek,romantic look to it.

It looks like the luxury version of the Batmobile.

Originally posted by WakkaWu
.And this car has such excellent design,is got that sleek,romantic look to it.


It looks like a giant black penis with a chrome head. :rolleyes:



Its total and utter excess taken to an absolute extreme, but I bet if the turn the traction controll off it does awsome burn outs. :D :D

i like it becuase its fast and its not ugly1

i didnt see anyone complain when the bugatti came out with these kind of power ratings, all this is is a high powered luxury car, the numbers are for effect. besides, most people who have this car would have a cheauffer driving them around anyway, i'm sure they would be capable of driving it properly.

That's the point. Do you seriously think a 70 year old American man will enjoy sitting in the backseat of that thing going 200+ mph?
The Bugatti EB16.4 is not a sportscar, but at least it has the suspension setup to handle the power. :rolleyes:

It looks like a giant black penis with a chrome head.

Thast just shows how perverted you are.LOL,just playing :D

i didnt see anyone complain when the bugatti came out with these kind of power ratings, all this is is a high powered luxury car, the numbers are for effect. besides, most people who have this car would have a cheauffer driving them around anyway, i'm sure they would be capable of driving it properly.

And whats wrong with the power rating anyway?I agree with you FYRHWK1


Do you seriously think a 70 year old American man will enjoy sitting in the backseat of that thing going 200+ mph?


Probably not but every rockstar,rapper and pro sports player will.

Originally posted by WakkaWu

And whats wrong with the power rating anyway?I agree with you FYRHWK1


#1 - The car doesn't need it.
#2 - The owner doesn't need it.
#3 - The hospitals doesn't need more patients.
#4 - The car probably can't handle it.
#5 - The driver won't be able to handle it.

#1 - The car doesn't need it.

And a Dodge Viper doesnt need 500HP.Theres nothing wrong with 1000HP.


#2 - The owner doesn't need it.


The owner also dont need Nitros in his Acura either but hey,there in there arent they.Just because cars dont need all this power doesnt mean its a bad thing if they do.


#3 - The hospitals doesn't need more patients.


The hospitals love having patients,they make so much money off them.And you wont have to worry about going to the hospital if you use it wiselly.And also,all speed limits in the US are all under 80MPH or close,highest I have seen is 75MPH in Forida so you cant use it anyway because its illegal,but then again,its only illegal if you get caught.


#4 - The car probably can't handle it.


The car is built to handle it.

#5 - The driver won't be able to handle it


Then the driver shouldnt be behind the wheel of the vehicle.

Originally posted by Deakins
That's the point. Do you seriously think a 70 year old American man will enjoy sitting in the backseat of that thing going 200+ mph?
The Bugatti EB16.4 is not a sportscar, but at least it has the suspension setup to handle the power. :rolleyes:

oh and the bugattis is worlds better, sorry i forgot the company that couldnt keep itself afloat so they had to be bought by VW made world class designs :rolleyes:

have you even thought about the fact that this car will run wide gears? you have any clue the effect gearing has? given the amount of torque this car produces they can pick and choose whatever gears they like, meaning wide enough to keep it tame and still give it great acceleration numbers.
and how much do you know about the bugattis' suspension? the Cadillacs'? hell i'm sure i've done more research on the Sixteen then you have and i havent found jack about its suspension, but after the job GM has done with the C5 and XLR, i'm not worried about it.

the car probably cant handle it? and again the bugatti can? you're full of lovely unsupported opinions, why dont you chew on this: this car would most definitly use a hydroformed steel frame, if you aren't aware of what that is, it's a process of molding a metal in a die and using pressurized water to expand it. It creates an even wall thickness and doesnt compromise the strength of the metal as casting or forging can, it also leaves no welds making the frame stronger, yeah, it cant handle it:rolleyes:
the driver can't handle it? here we go again, but a bugatti driver, since he has an import, automatically can, sorry i forgot you were gifted with magical abilities once you bought an imported car.
no car needs it, no car needs anything more then a small V6 to get around, yet the big powered ones still sell, wonder why? it's about image, and just the fact that GM CAN build a motor this good means they should use it, i'd put my money on this outlasting AND outperforming VW's W motor.

Thank You Sir:)

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
oh and the bugattis is worlds better, sorry i forgot the company that couldnt keep itself afloat so they had to be bought by VW made world class designs :rolleyes:

Yes, I know, only took two World Wars to stop them.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
and how much do you know about the bugattis' suspension? the Cadillacs'? hell i'm sure i've done more research on the Sixteen then you have and i havent found jack about its suspension, but after the job GM has done with the C5 and XLR, i'm not worried about it.

Are you saying the potential buyers will tolerate a suspension setup needed for such a powerful heavy car? I mean, the rest of your cars have "soft" suspension setups, so I can't Imagine someone buying a $250000 luxury car would wan't anything less.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
this car would most definitly use a hydroformed steel frame, if you aren't aware of what that is, it's a process of molding a metal in a die and using pressurized water to expand it. It creates an even wall thickness and doesnt compromise the strength of the metal as casting or forging can, it also leaves no welds making the frame stronger, yeah, it cant handle it:rolleyes:

Yes, I know what it is, VAG even partially uses that technology :eek:
But as far as I know, it's only ~20% stronger then a regular frame.
Do you know how a equal weight hydroformed steel frame would compare to a aluminum space frame?

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
the driver can't handle it? here we go again, but a bugatti driver, since he has an import, automatically can, sorry i forgot you were gifted with magical abilities once you bought an imported car.

If you buy one of the 300 Veyron 16.4, you get free driving education along with the car.
It could be interesting to watch someones butler go from driving a Towncar to this.

Who would want to drive a Towncar anyway?

Deakins raises a good point- US cars are always offered with soft suspension to 1- deal with awful US roads- such as the LA freeway

and 2- they perfer a floaty ride rather than an enjoyable drive with lots of spankage

The Sixteen is a luxury car- hence the springs will be soft for a softer ride- hence it is going to be one awful drive by the sounds of it.

Also an Aluminium frame is a lot better than ANY steel frame- it is lighter than any equivalent sized frame- it NEVER rusts- thanks to the Aluminium oxide layer.

Are you saying the potential buyers will tolerate a suspension setup needed for such a powerful heavy car? I mean, the rest of your cars have "soft" suspension setups, so I can't Imagine someone buying a $250000 luxury car would wan't anything less.

and this is where GM's suspension advancement comes into play. the shock valving plays a large part in the ride quality of the car, GM has (to my knowledge) the only magnetically controlled shock valving in existence, but even if it isn't it's a great setup. it allows the shocks to change on the fly, they can adjust i believe up to 60 times per second in order to cope with differing road conditions, which means the ride can soften up for bumpy roads in order for better wheel control and stiffen up on smooth roads to provide better control on a smooth highway, without compromising ride quality.
besides having that you're talking quite a heavy car, heavy cars have always had good ride control, it's not going to become wildly uncontrollable due to a 1000 ft lb motor, if i remember right bentley has been putting out 6 & 700 ft lb motors for years, the extra power will be controlled by the gearing of the car.

Yes, I know what it is, VAG even partially uses that technology
But as far as I know, it's only ~20% stronger then a regular frame.
Do you know how a equal weight hydroformed steel frame would compare to a aluminum space frame?

20% is quite a bit, and with a car this large a very strong frame could be used easily. i believe due to the fact that aluminum has quite a bit less elasticity, and it's lesser density, the weight savings would end up being about 1/3rd that of steel, but the Sixteen will have an aluminum *body*, not frame. the corvette won't even be using an all aluminum frame, aluminum would require a much larger amount of space since the wall thickness will be about 1&1/3 to 1&1/2 times that of steel. aluminum doesnt have a minimum stress failure level either, pounding on it with a very small force (like bumpy roads) will eventually bend it and thats a bad idea for longevity, moreso in a sportscar with a stiff suspension but it's a factor everywhere.

and the rest of our cars have a soft suspension? yeah, there's an intelligent comment, i marvel at the stupidity of the typical import driving know it all, come over here and drive the performance minded cars instead of believing a bunch of modem racers about how poorly a Fbody or vette handle.

and it seems like plenty of other companies survived WW1 & 2, bugatti fell apart after Ettore Bugatti died in i believe 1974 and went bankrupt in 1998 when VAG bought them, they used to be dependant on noone and now they use VAG powertrains, I believe Ettore would roll over in his grave if he found out about the W abomination being used in his car.

and an aluminum frame is not better then a steel one, it is only lighter. if you want osmply light chassis use carbon fiber since you'll get real results for your work. it costs quite a bit more however aluminum won't hold up in the long run. and again, US cars are not always offered with a soft suspension, i'd like to see you quote me the springrates for the typical Cadillac or lincoln, or is that too hard for you magazine racers?

I have driven a Camaro SS (1999) and earlier Z28 as well as Corvettes and Mustangs galore and I can honestly tell you that EVERY sporting model European and Japanese car not only glides through corners faster but are a lot more fun to hrow around the corners- Even a Peugeot 2O6 GTi is better through the corners than a Yank Tank V8.

i think it looks very modern. i personally like that style. and whats up with having too much hp? come on guys, you can never have too much hp:devil:

Originally posted by Jimster
I have driven a Camaro SS (1999) and earlier Z28 as well as Corvettes and Mustangs galore and I can honestly tell you that EVERY sporting model European and Japanese car not only glides through corners faster but are a lot more fun to hrow around the corners- Even a Peugeot 2O6 GTi is better through the corners than a Yank Tank V8.

your SOTP readings dont prove anything, what does prove something is track numbers, and Fbodies do very well around here with people who can drive them. yes its harder, you have a heavier car with alot of power compared to a small, lightweight one, it just means you have to drive on it's strengths, remember weight is traction if used properly.

i'll freely admit that their stock handling performance is not typically equal (Fbodies and mustangs) to a smaller european car, however they come stock with much better built suspensions, the Fbody and mustang have always been about upgrading things yourself, the suspension has alot of rom for improvement.
and claiming a CORVETTE cant handle? you must be a piss poor driver if you couldnt get a C5 around a track, let alone a Z06. where did you drive them? what road conditions? were they used? worn tires can play a huge part, i shouldnt have to bring this up but i'm sure you're aware that a C5 has stock runflats, a terrible tire if you're trying to track.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
and this is where GM's suspension advancement comes into play. the shock valving plays a large part in the ride quality of the car, GM has (to my knowledge) the only magnetically controlled shock valving in existence, but even if it isn't it's a great setup. it allows the shocks to change on the fly, they can adjust i believe up to 60 times per second in order to cope with differing road conditions, which means the ride can soften up for bumpy roads in order for better wheel control and stiffen up on smooth roads to provide better control on a smooth highway, without compromising ride quality.

As in CVRSS? I was under the impression that system didn't use valves, and had an updaterate of over 1000/second.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
besides having that you're talking quite a heavy car, heavy cars have always had good ride control, it's not going to become wildly uncontrollable due to a 1000 ft lb motor, if i remember right bentley has been putting out 6 & 700 ft lb motors for years, the extra power will be controlled by the gearing of the car.

Yes they have, but they still only have ~400 hp. Theyr only car set up for speed, the Arnage T, require such stiff suspension, the typical Bentley customers don't like it.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
and the rest of our cars have a soft suspension? yeah, there's an intelligent comment, i marvel at the stupidity of the typical import driving know it all, come over here and drive the performance minded cars instead of believing a bunch of modem racers about how poorly a Fbody or vette handle.

Why would you turn this into a F-body vs rest-of-the-world fight?
Compare the Neon, Focus, Civic, Accord, Golf etc. to they Japanese/European sistercars.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
and it seems like plenty of other companies survived WW1 & 2, bugatti fell apart after Ettore Bugatti died in i believe 1974 and went bankrupt in 1998 when VAG bought them, they used to be dependant on noone and now they use VAG powertrains, I believe Ettore would roll over in his grave if he found out about the W abomination being used in his car.

No, he died in 1947, right after the war ended. The company was revived in 1991, and was doing well, up untill the owner went bankrupt in 1995.

you're right, i misused the term, the system uses a magneto-rhetorical fluid that changes viscocity depending on the magnetic field, the point i was trying to get across is that you could have a very wide range of shock settings which can be changed on the fly, i dont know about the 1000/second rate changes but i'll look into it.

The Arnage T doesn't use an advanced shock system as the Sixteen is capable of, and the Arnage T puts out a large amount of torque and is still drivable, which is my point; the gearing of the car plays a huge role in how it acts.

Because i know the F body better then those cars, I dont like discussing cars i've no knowledge or experience working with. I can mention a few Japanese cars that had the same suspension as their Asian counterparts, but i'm sure you know which ones i'll say. We do have cars like the SVT focus and Neon RT/10 (which does very well in SCCA) over here, as for honda i make no notion of knowing the first thing about them.

1947, typo on my part.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
The Arnage T doesn't use an advanced shock system as the Sixteen is capable of, and the Arnage T puts out a large amount of torque and is still drivable, which is my point; the gearing of the car plays a huge role in how it acts.


No, the Arnage T/R/RL [the new Bentleys, Arnage Series II] doesn't, but all other Bentleys do.
Guess they found out a simple double wishbone setup does a better job getting the power to the ground.
The car still dives, rolls, understeers, spinns and slips. And I can't imagine a bigger, heavier and more powerfull car is any better.

IMO the scariest thing about the sixteen is some 90 year old granpa and granma that has no reflexes to speak of and with cataracts the size of long island. With 1000 hp at their disposal.:eek: :(

IMO the scariest thing about the sixteen is some 90 year old granpa and granma that has no reflexes to speak of and with cataracts the size of long island. With 1000 hp at their disposal.

Thats the day I stay of the sidewalks.:D

Nice Interior Shot..

looks sexy to me :)

The roofline is kinda strange but still a very gorgeus car. It's nice to see Cadillac go back to their heritage of powerful luxury cars, and this is a badass-looking one. :D

I like the cues the car has to Cadillac's past. The integrated exhaust with the tail lights is a nice touch, and the entire design is a series of abstractions from the 30's all the way to the 60's and early 70's.

As for the luxuries and appointments, if this car is built, it will become the Eldorado Brougham of our time.

Kudos to Cadillac for its gradual re-invention.

:eek: The interior is beautiful. I love the wood-grain. :D

I love it too. Those seats have to be so comfortable just by how they look. The grain is sweet looking too.

ugly like a monkey

Originally posted by Genesis3
ugly like a monkey

Nice reasoning... Please give a good reason. You made yourself sound very stupid. :rolleyes:

Nice reasoning... Please give a good reason. You made yourself sound very stupid.

Great Point... Yes he sounded very stupid saying that. All of his posts lately have made no sence at all and are just totally messed up. How about backing that statement up some Genisis3, we love hearing opinions from people like you. :)

first thing is first, I was not using that name yesterday,SO I'M NOT GENESIS3 OK, and I didn't say anything about the Sixteen, but I don't really like the shape

Originally posted by Genesis2
first thing is first, I was not using that name yesterday,SO I'M NOT GENESIS3 OK, and I didn't say anything about the Sixteen, but I don't really like the shape


Yes good point- there is no way that you can "back up" a cars ugliness- it is all just an opinion :rolleyes:

It looks alright, but I want to know who will buy it for what they will want for it.

I told you the kind of people who would buy it. Im guessing it will sell around $150,000-$300,000 no more than $300,000 or it would not be worth it.

This thing is hitting magazines all over the news stands, and not just car magazines. If this hits rich people as hard as it is hitting the media, this thing will be a hit.

Sure will be, I would like to see it sell better than what people are telling me it will.

is it true you can manually choose how many pistons are runing or am i just hearing things again.

in this car steve? wouldn't suprise me one bit.

Yes, much like Mercedes' (production) V12 engines, the engine will run on four, eight or sixteen cylinders, depending on load.

thats todays technology for you.

Originally posted by Deakins
Yes, much like Mercedes' (production) V12 engines, the engine will run on four, eight or sixteen cylinders, depending on load.

Exactly- So what some think is a revolution- has been used in production since the 1990's


:rolleyes:

That is still cool:cool:

I think the Sixteen is awsome. It's about time that Cadillacs stand out from the rest of the GM line instead of looking like clones of Chevys.
The thing that worries me is the selective displacement. Rememeber what happen with the V8-6-4? :swear:

Exactly- So what some think is a revolution- has been used in production since the 1990's

Cadillac used this before Benz.It may have not been succesfull,but the technology was used before.to me,this car is spectacular.i dont think it will hit production though.inly becasue most concepts dont.it wouls be nice tho.i read that even if they dont put her onto the line,they will use the engine in a upcoming Caddy.

Cadillac has confirmed they will not build the Sixteen.

That doesn't surprise me. This just proves they will continue building crap they want and not great cars like their consumers really want.
That's why most drivers under 50 choose luxury imports over American luxury cars. Imports are providing the consumer high quailty cars that domestic manufacturers are not willing to produce.

This comes after GM declared they seriously want to raise Cadillac to equal status with the best European manufacturers... I am disappointed.

They are probably just as serious about raising their status as they are serious about customer satisfaction.