Which one, and why?

the c5 would take all (stock for stock)

theres no replacement for displacement

I've ridden in them all. I own 2 VR4s. Nuff said.

r u talking performance?

because im pretty sure a c5 could take a vr4, but id also have to be more sure about the specs of a vr4 :p :o

please, enlighten me :D

M3 becsaue its just soo much more car then all the others. its still fast enough but its just pure refinement.

Originally posted by BlOOe46
r u talking performance?

because im pretty sure a c5 could take a vr4, but id also have to be more sure about the specs of a vr4 :p :o

please, enlighten me :D

There is information in the Mitsubishi/3000GT forum on the specs of the cars. You're right that the C5 is faster then a VR4 stock to stock. But, I dont buy a car for performance only. If speed were the only issue, I'd own motorcycles.

Originally posted by YogsVR4


There is information in the Mitsubishi/3000GT forum on the specs of the cars. You're right that the C5 is faster then a VR4 stock to stock. But, I dont buy a car for performance only. If speed were the only issue, I'd own motorcycles.

:D

I would have to agree there no questions asked, but I want to know what basis this poll is on. Looks, performance, price point, or overall?

This is an overall car comparison. If you had a choice of one of these, which car would you buy and why.

Supra Twin Turbo (MARK IV)/ 320hp
Corvette (C5)/ 350hp
M3 (E36) Coupe/ 240hp
3000GT VR4 Coupe/ 320hp

i would go vette. but that's just me.

i've seen so many problems with the 3000gt (the shop i go to has 3-4 that rotate in monthly) b/c they keep breaking stuff.

the m3 is ok, but too luxury for my taste... and if you've heard about the tons of blown motors they're having (maybe not tons, but enough to worry me)

the supra is nice. everyone has one on their list, but for what it is, it's kinda fat. like chunky kid needs diet fat.

i dig the vette b/c you can go zo6 parts right out the box, and tt, it would be unstoppable.

that's what i like. and i love v8 rumble.

Tough tough decision... But I'd take the TT Supra. It was either the Supra or the C5. If it were the z06, it'd be all over.. and z06 would rule, but its not.

Why I chose the Supra? I know its not as fast at the c5 in straightline or perhaps not in the twisties, but its quickness is pretty decent. Low to mid 13's for 1/4 mile right?

Theres the turbo whine.. Don't get me wrong, I love the v8 rumble too. And not to mention a motor thats very responsive to mods(2g's into the car and you're deeeep into the 12's) and pretty damn beefy.

This car is also not as common as a vette too! Well, not in my area at least.

Decent performance with good looks with the comfort and refinement and reliability of a Toyota makes the Supra my choice.

C5 all the way, I just think its a gorgeous car.

And of course the performance aspects of it as well, especially if it was a C5 Z06.

Although I think the rest of the choices aren't bad either. All are great cars.

i was under the impression this was a performance comparison . . .

well, i still dont change my decision, i love the c5 vette, and am really not one to complain about interior aesthetics, etc.

i also love the ability to perform mods, has anyone seen the 2002 hot rod cars of the year issue?

they had a 800hp vette that would cruise the highway at 200mph and get 28-32 mpg, i thought that it was pretty cool, and since then, ive not been one to doubt the c5, even if it isnt a z06

:flipa:

I have ridden in a tuned supra TT, a corvette and a VR4. I can tell you that the VR4 i got a ride in was awful the all wheel drive sucked up far too much power and all wheel drive is for guys who dont know how to launch. I rented a corvette at christmas in florida and i smoked an M3 cabriolet so bad on I75 when we got to 155 mph i quite the M3 power band is far to small to keep up with the vette. The tuned supra my friend owns is turbo which means lag. Enough said!

Supra = biggest potential.... probably biggest potential ever (lol).. I'd take supra or a corvette Z06... but when it comes to supra vs regular c5 i'd take supra... cmon , you perform a BPU modification for like 1500$ and you're pushing way over 400 hp...

What exactly lies in BPU modication?

so... if you were to dump that same 1500 hundred into a vette, you would have over 400hp as well. so what's the arguement?

the vette has quicker 1/4s stock (i'm pretty sure on that)

and it has a much higher potential for hp. you can get 800 out of it na. and then, you can turbo it. then your numbers go up. or...

since its a 350, you could put a supercharger on it... the numbers that motor can make are much higher than a supra.

if you were stock for stock on all these cars, the vette would win.

and handling, there's nothing a supra can do to catch a vette.

of course, this is off my "imports are better" train of thought, but hey... you asked...

wsi: If you extract 800 hp from the vette, then twin turbo it.. I'm pretty sure something will give way, and you'll end up with a blown engine. The Vette engine is pretty damn impressive, but so is the Supra's. You can get around 500hp with the stock bottom end. Pretty crazy. And its agree'd that stock out of the box.. Vette leads in every performance category.

if you take that 800hp na vette and turbo it, yeah, you'll blow it.

but you can build a turbo vette with a stock bottom end that's pretty strong. the stock bottom end of a vette motor can easily take 500+

deefffeeennnniiiittttllllyyyy supra......





i just luv em.. along with the type r of coarse.

Originally posted by fatninja19
What exactly lies in BPU modication?

BPU = basic performance upgrades. it includes all of the basics like downpipe, exhaust, intake, fuel cut control and boost controller
i would take the Supra cuz it has much more aftermarket support and it still runs fine with turbos over 200,xxx miles

that's pretty amazing for your first post...

any reasoning? if that's all you're going to say, just vote and don't waste the post...

fatninja...

what i meant was... you could build the vette to 800hp n/a, let alone turbo... i obviously didn't mean you could take that motor and then turbo it... it would need different pistons and what not...

i think you know what i mean though...

supra has more aftermarket support?

hello?

the corvette is running on a motor that was designed 50 years ago... and about aftermarket support...

you can buy anything for that vette... and i mean anything... and that's just from GM... let alone aftermarket

like:

lingenfelter
mallett
callaway
edelbrock
everyone that summit carries...

aftermarket support? the vette has that supra beat there as well...

Actually... the 350ci Chevy V8 wasn't produced untill 1967.

Before that Corvettes used 327 small blocks, and 283ci V8s before that which made 283bhp... and were Ram Jet Fuel Injected in 1957.

And before the 283 was the 265ci V8 that made 190bhp, and even before that they were powered by the 235.5ci Blue Flame Inline Six that made 150bhp.

The Big Block motors made their debute in the Corvette in 1965 with the 396ci V8, last year for the Big Block Corvette was 1974.

the 350 has been the only motor for the Corvette ever since... 1975.


Anywho... 350's have only been around 36 years is what i'm getting at... still a long time. :p

so what i meant to say is...

it's been around forever, and evolved, and every company that makes anything aftermarket (domestic of course) carries a part that will work on that motor.

pretty impressive aftermarket if you ask me...

Ah yes, Sorry about that Flylwsi... thought you ment the 350 sbc itself.

There are tons of companies that make crap for a Chevy V8 of any size.

Most importantly the Chevy 350. Get a Jeg's or Summit Racing catalog and just see... it's amazing all the thousands of engine components that you can get.

Endless motor variations... very cool stuff.

and i'm not trying to downplay the supra aftermarket, as there are companies completely devoted to it,

but don't use the aftermarket as a way to say it's better, b/c there are just as many, and more for the vette

Vette has waaaay more aftermarket than Supra.. hahahhahaha

thanks for the BPU explanation.

i'm hoping the laugh wasn't sarcastic...

true on the bpu... i've seen that and never knew what it was...

Nope, no sarcasm there. I think I was just really bored, and was a little bit crazy at the time. Sorry, I get like that sometimes.

i first voted for the M3. but since no one said anything baout the M3 *weird* i'll guess i'll have to change my vote. now my vote goes to the supra. the funny thing is, i'm not a supra fan, and i like hte corvette. but i still picked hte supra. hmmmmmmmm i guess its cause i'm just soo in love with turbos. and that i'm not much of a fan of the v8 rumble. its too loud for my opinion, and once you get hotter cams, the car at idle tries to choke it self out. i like cars that sounds like it has a smooth idle, but is a monster only when it has to be. thats what kind of car i like. even though the Z06 in dark blue is the most beautiful factory corvette, i still pick hte ugly supra.

Say now you HAD to live with the car you chose (literally buying one out of the four listed), even to be as a daily driver. Would that change your choice in any way. You must now put all things into consideration.

Enjoy.

I definitely would take the Vette. It wins in every category.

I'd still say TT Supra.

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
I definitely would take the Vette. It wins in every category.

? The comfort level in a vette is severly lacking.

I wouldn't say severely lacking... Sure it is a little uncomfortable, but I still take it over any of these cars.

if you're not allowed to mod it... vette... if you're allowed to mod it... i'd still take the vette...

you can take, oh, 10k for mods, and you'd still end up with a much faster car in the vette. and better handling...

i would consider the m3 for an unmodded driver, only b/c it's hella nice inside... but it's still not as fast as a vette...

I would actually probably go for the M3 just for kicks and a little variation in my life. Since I commute every day, the SMG option would be nice with the full auto mode. Which car do I think is all around best? The Vette. No question.

I think you gotta look at it like this, all things being equal you'll get alot more trim in the c5, thats the deal breaker

supra...no question.

ive driven in a new m3. Theyre nice but not worth the money. My friend's bpu supra handed the m3 its ass. vettes dont even compete with supras.



http://www.christurner.net/supra/SR-Supra-Viper-Camaro.mpg
that video pretty much says it all. t88 supra vs 300 shot viper vs camaro. 300 shot still isnt enough

http://www.christurner.net/supra/BPU-C5-1.mpg
and for the vette lovers. c5 loosing.:flipa:

http://www.christurner.net/supra/APU-C5.mpg
heres a great video of a supra vs c5 the video says it all "T64 supra vs full bolton + heads/cam/100shot 520+ hp."

http://www.christurner.net/supra/05-APU-Vette_1.mpg
same video as above but filmed from the supra. you can really see the vette getting beaten from this angle.

http://www.christurner.net/supra/supraVSz06-1.mpg
zo6 which is supposedly faster than a c5..doesnt really matter looses anyways.

VR4- only if it were a 6-speed post-95 model- the Transmissions are weak though- like all Mitsubishi transmissions


Vette- Very sexy, very fast, but loses out in the handling stakes


M3- perfection- well rounded, reliable (If you run it on higher Octane fuel), comfortable, fast and a great handling car


Supra- my "tuners pick"


But M3 overall

As an owner of two Supras, one being a stock twin turbo and the other being a single turbo monster I'm going to obviously have to vote for the Supra.
Car and Driver reported the stock twin turbo to run a 13.1 quarter mile while the stock C5 (not ZO6) ran a 13.5(ZO6 is in the 12's)
Good descrption of BPU earlier but a BPU Supra is able to put out about 460 rwhp. That's pretty impressive with very simple bolt on's.
My Single Turbo Supra has put out 631 rwhp on stock internals. I have the Dyno sheets. I have seen stock internal Supras put out nearly 700 rwhp on the Dyno. That's pretty impressive if you ask me.
Finally, My single turbo Supra has been that way for almost 70,000 miles and now has over 180,000 miles on the car. Can't beat that either.
But, that is just personal expierince.

Wow.. very cool cars!! But 631rwhp on stock internals??? Dang.. I'm kind of skeptical because most Supra guys say 600hp on stock block... not internals.. But wow.

Yes, stock internals.

In fact my next plans are to change the internals as well as a polished intake manifold and 100mm throttle body. It already has an aftermarket fuel rail and larger injectors so it only makes sense to allow it to make more boost.

I'd go for the Supra anyday. The Supra may not be able to beat a Vette, stock for stock, but damn when it is tuned is so fast, and the car looks awesome. Same with the Vette, but I hate the huge displacement, crap bhp-to-litre ratio, and the lack of technology (fair enough, there is some). The 3000GT, while a good car, weighs a lot (Mitsu SHOULD make another 3000GT correcting this problem), and the E36 M3 may be tunable (unlike E46 M3), but not to a great extent, and Im not bothered about a lot of luxury.

Just my 2hp :D

While they are all nice cars each with their own strengths and weaknesses, overall the C5 wins with me. In fact I just bought one a week ago. I love the deep V8 sound, beautiful body style, it handles great, is comfortable, has plenty of "toys" in it, lots of aftermarket parts and no matter how fast I'm driving I seem to have plenty of reserves of hp .:eek:

that video pretty much says it all. t88 supra vs 300 shot viper vs camaro. 300 shot still isnt enough

without even looking at it, i can tell you that it's bs that it's a 300 shot.

that would make it between 7-800 hp in the viper. doubt that severely...

and supras can make about 800hp on stock internals...

not too shabby...

i'll still take the vette for the larger aftermarket and more available power, as well as better handling and higher possible top speeds and 1/4 times...

i have to say 3000gt. i cant stand the way the c5 looks, the m3 is too lux, and the supra dosent have awd.

Originally posted by TatII
i first voted for the M3. but since no one said anything baout the M3 *weird* i'll guess i'll have to change my vote. now my vote goes to the supra.

well thats not very independent thinking! and to think a Supra is better than an M3! Insanity! you were right first time, i would take the M3 over any of these cars any day of the week and twice on sunday. Theres no substitute for M engineering

I just wanna know why you chose the E36 M3 coupe and not the E46 M3 coupe. Was the upgraded 333hp and seductive, sleek, powerful looking new body style gonna make it unfair to the other cars? :D

Originally posted by teresaluvr
supra...no question.

ive driven in a new m3. Theyre nice but not worth the money. My friend's bpu supra handed the m3 its ass. vettes dont even compete with supras.



http://www.christurner.net/supra/SR-Supra-Viper-Camaro.mpg
that video pretty much says it all. t88 supra vs 300 shot viper vs camaro. 300 shot still isnt enough

http://www.christurner.net/supra/BPU-C5-1.mpg
and for the vette lovers. c5 loosing.:flipa:

http://www.christurner.net/supra/APU-C5.mpg
heres a great video of a supra vs c5 the video says it all "T64 supra vs full bolton + heads/cam/100shot 520+ hp."

http://www.christurner.net/supra/05-APU-Vette_1.mpg
same video as above but filmed from the supra. you can really see the vette getting beaten from this angle.

http://www.christurner.net/supra/supraVSz06-1.mpg
zo6 which is supposedly faster than a c5..doesnt really matter looses anyways.



You moron.....I've seen all these races and you have no argument.

Its certain conditions, at certain speeds, with no regulations or classes.
Its not a good example.


I'd take the C5 anyday over these.

no need to call anyone a moron, Pick. keep it constructive

Originally posted by crayzayjay
no need to call anyone a moron, Pick. keep it constructive

My apologies.......

Well I own a C5, so of course id Pick C5. Before I owned a 3000gt and have rode in M3 and Supra. The Supra and C5 were a close pick for me when I was choosing cars. But Even if you like at the BPU ++++ Supra's that are pushing 500+ hp they still can barely break into the 11's. While in my vette I have the magnuson supercharger and intake and exhaust and can easily run mid 11's consistantly and low 11's.

If it was a single turbo supra I'd pick that, TT's are overrated by ''ricers'' that just think it's cool and it's got to be faster. Well it's not. And with 6 cylinders feeding a single turbo there's not going to be much lag at all. I still picked the supra cuz of it's potential.
Next choice goes to the M3-It outclasses the others if you're looking for style.
3rd goes to the 3000GT-TT has much potential there too.
lastly the vette, never been a big fan of them. The LS1 shares practically no characteristics of any 350 from the past so give me that crap. It doesn't even displace 350 cubic inches. It is a good engine, but once you've seen a turbo Honda (1.8L) smoke a Z06 (5.7L) than you no longer have the slogan ''there's no replacement for displacement''. Forced induction is where the power is. period.

Originally posted by PWMAN
If it was a single turbo supra I'd pick that, TT's are overrated by ''ricers'' that just think it's cool and it's got to be faster. Well it's not. And with 6 cylinders feeding a single turbo there's not going to be much lag at all. I still picked the supra cuz of it's potential.
Next choice goes to the M3-It outclasses the others if you're looking for style.
3rd goes to the 3000GT-TT has much potential there too.
lastly the vette, never been a big fan of them. The LS1 shares practically no characteristics of any 350 from the past so give me that crap. It doesn't even displace 350 cubic inches. It is a good engine, but once you've seen a turbo Honda (1.8L) smoke a Z06 (5.7L) than you no longer have the slogan ''there's no replacement for displacement''. Forced induction is where the power is. period.

too bad noones ever shown you a turbo on a LS6, there is no replacement for displacement, you can't compare a motor with 10K dumped into it runnign race fuel with a bone stock one. They've all got their strong points, i'd take th egvette simply because if i wanted to, i could make 1000+ BHP on pump unlike the others, thats true streetability.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1

you can't compare a motor with 10K dumped into it runnign race fuel with a bone stock one.

Since the vette costs 50K, I figure I can compare to a car that would only cost 15K to build. And I'm talking pump gas 400+ WHP street driven.
And how much does it cost to put that turbo on an LS6??? Not to mention the cost of the engine in the first place.

Originally posted by PWMAN


Since the vette costs 50K, I figure I can compare to a car that would only cost 15K to build. And I'm talking pump gas 400+ WHP street driven.
And how much does it cost to put that turbo on an LS6??? Not to mention the cost of the engine in the first place.

of course bang for the buck you've got a perfect argument, i'm not disagreeing that you could do more with the lesser priced vehicle, but you cant judge the Z06s performance by that as well either, people who do have the money for such things show what it can really do, besides theres more to a car then jsut its 1/4 mile times.

As to the kits, it depends who you go through, you have to remember this is being marketed to a certain audience willing ot pay 15K for good turbo kit whereas it should only cost 5-7. If you did it yourself as I've been it's probably a 4-5000 dollar job, but it's pretty involved and i can understand why people buy kits.

OK. I do agree about theres more than just 1/4 miles times.
My point was the LS1 is completely different than any other ''350'' preceding it. So people on this forum were saying how the 350 has been around for so long, when it's not even a 350!
I don't really like vettes, never have but thats just my opinion. I'm a MOPAR man myself, as you might tell from my sig and the vehicles I own.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
C5 all the way, I just think its a gorgeous car.

Isn't it??? GM has made those C5's into real exotics now (unlike previous models) - I mean, you see them at night in the rear view mirror with their head&fog lights on and are like "what kind of car could this be?" - CORVETTE! They're so fucking wide now and low to the ground. AWESOME!

But I'm worried about all the pictures I've seen about the new generation Vette.

Supra - turbo's just kick ass and i like the Japanese Highway Monsters

VR4's aren't great

Corvettes are too common (Plano TX)
M3's are for showoffs