Originally posted by RACER D12


Heres the list the Mclaren is 11th on the list(this is from supercars.net)

1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2.409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
3. 406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
4.403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept
5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans
6.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept
7. 400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept
8.400 kph / 248.5 mph 1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 Record
9. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC
10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S
11. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1

And about the R33 i did get one a model:D that was a joke i have been waiting for some one to call me on that. And about Ferrari I didnt say they were german but I still want one
Well if you wanna get technical the world's fastest car is the Thrust SSC, holding the world land speed record of 1200 km/h. I heard of the the Railton cart RR toping off at a speed of 369.741 mph in 1939, but I've never heard of this car doing 433/269mph. I heard it was actually rated under the f1, (who knows) never the less it was not put into production (They were deemed unsafe due to there design and countless accidents). Honestly I have trouble believeing mercedes, or the rolls did such outrageous speeds in the 30's. Looks like i'll be hitting the library when I get back to school (Its gonna bother me until I know facts).
I'm not exactly shure what you meant by your statement here- "comparing German and Japanese cars is hard because they have different valuse Germans go for speed and handle at any cost MOST of the time but they also make really nice Lux cars but Japanese to me seem to go more for traction rallying and low end getup and go power but taper off on the high end" the blitz skyline is ranked at a top speed of 343,3-348 km/h or 213-216 mph HP 850,1 BHP @ 9.300rpm. (Also this statement does sound like your calling a ferarri a german car- "Thats the one thing I hate about German cars their too exspensive guess i will never own that Porsche GT2 or a Ferrari" But I understand what you meant, I want a ferrari too. :D Now lets just all play nice, that means no more being a dick DOHCam. (Just b/c someone else has a diff. view dosen't mean its wrong)

Um, I was talking about street legal production cars, and out of those, only the Dauer 962 is faster than the McLaren.

Also, although Bruce was a kiwi, the cars were designed and assembled in a small English town.

<hey Hybridsol, can you break your posts into paragraphs please? Thanks ;) >

Okay, Cbass. That's true. But I still call them Kiwi cars out of respect for Bruce. The man was one of the drivers I regret never having met. Though I'd give my first-eighth borne children to meet Il Commendatore.

As for the F1... Feh, it looks horrible in New Zealand's Orange (international racing color for New Zealand, all McLarens built under Bruce were painted this color) so it can't be a true McLaren. I don't care what you call it. It's an amazing car, but I'd never park it alongside a M8.

My first son will be named Enzo ;)

Oh yeah, check out my thread on Elva in the other cars forum, Octagon :)

Do you think he'd have an intense and heated rivalry with my future son Colin? :D

As for the Elva, *grumbles* Why'd you have to go and do that? A: My wish list is getting so long I'll have to devote ALL of my money to just purchasing the cars on it, let alone driving them. B: How many times do I have to remind you that Layla is one jealous little prima donna. I start looking at other classic British sports cars and she starts misbehaving. Remember that Spitfire I told you all about? The week I first saw that Spit, Layla's battery died on me, followed by her hood latch sticking, and finally her left headlight dimming while her right headlight gets brighter. She's like a smaller, blue, British, four-cylinder Christine.

Anyways, beautiful cars. Especially the GT1600. Only three in the world? That's about 2,999,997 too few.

Ah, it could be worse... You could own a Fiat, then you'd be able to complain about your car getting jealous... If the Fiat even THINKS you've had THOUGHTS about another car, you're doomed. An engine rebuild is a good starting point there... :hehehe:

I've decided I will either find a MK IV Courier, or make a replica. Full aluminum box tubing, fiberglass body panels made from original molds, that sort of thing ;) Perhaps a 1" flare all around, and a lower air dam, to clean up a little of the airflow...

You need a 924, my friend, plain and simple. The reliable sports car ;)

Originally posted by Cbass
Yeah, it should do high 10s with an AutoX suspension setup. Not bad, eh?

Of course, it would take at least $3000 to build an engine like that... You could just build a 9.5:1 302, port the stock heads, add a Trick Flow intake, a cam and get an EEC tuner... Bam, 350hp.


350 whole hp huh? My car makes that stock, not to brag or anything.

Anyways, wasn't the point of this thread to find the best street racing car? Well to answer that, I guess you'd have to kow what you want from the car. Assuming it's a daily driver, I doubt you'd want a McLaren F1 for obvious reasons.

If you like long, drawn out powerbands with little low-end torque, then I'd say a 240SX with a SR20 and Silvia conversion are the best buy for the money, looks, and performance.

If you like lots of low-end torque and shifting at 5k, then the raw, untamed power of a muscle car should work. Many argue from what are the best affordable muscle cars. From my experience, it comes down to brand loyalty when chosing a muscle car. But to me, it breaks down like this: Older mustangs and cameros (87-93 or so) are the most common and cheapest at street races out of the muscle car group. There are fewer newer stangs and cameros, but they still have that existing rivalry. Both are easy to find parts for and cost around the same, so it comes down to chevy or ford if you are trying to go with the crowd and fit in. There are limitless options of muscle cars if you want to be different though.

However, if we are talking exotics, then for the Japanese, I'd have to go with the flow and say the r32+ skyline. The RB26 never really impressed me stock, because it is twin turboed and still makes about 45 less hp than my car, stock. However, as someone earlier in the thread pointed out, it is probably the most tunable japanese engine in the world, even more so than the supra or rx-7. That's why I would pick the skyline over any other import, because of its potential, not stock power.


For the muscle exotic, I'd have to be biased and say the Corvette Z06 all the way. It's not that much slower than that stupid new viper and is 5x more comfortable, more economic, more practical, and the car stays about 100 degrees cooler. The Z06 is my cars' big brother. There's no replacement for dsplacement.

350hp isn't much, true, but the car weighs 2300lbs, and last time I checked, that was about half a ton less than a Corvette ;)

My chosen engine build should be good for around 375-400hp, and 475-500ftlbs, depending on the little details. That's a pump gas engine that should meet emissions, built for around $1500. Go Cleveland! :hehehe:

Anyways, I can't really think of a better street racer than a first gen RX7 with a 5.0 EFI Ford engine. Light, fast, great suspension... what more do you want? Oh yeah, lot's of body kits too, if ya swing that way...

350 whole hp huh? My car makes that stock, not to brag or anything.
92 Corvette's make 350 horsepower? I didn't know that, do you have one of those....eh ZR1's is it?

It's not that much slower than that stupid new viper and is 5x more comfortable, more economic, more practical, and the car stays about 100 degrees cooler.
lol how could it not be "not much slower" then a Viper. The Viper has almost 100 more hp and torque then a Z06. It should rip a Z06 to pieces. That little car probably dips into 11 seconds no problem.
If you got a lot money and aren't very tall I'd go with the Viper. To hell with comfort, what does that matter when racing. Not everyone has $75,000+ to spend on a car though, so if you got a decent amount of money the best american car to get would be that new Cobra or the Corvette. Or you could probably find a 1970 Chevelle SS on ebay for about 20-30k with a 454.

To each his own preference though why bother making this topic. It doesn't really matter what is the fastest stock car, people go with what they like.

cbass....yea you do have a point. 1000 pounds does make a huge difference. But why would you want to take the rotary out of the Rex? The FD3S happens to be my most favorite car on the planet, even though I didn't say its the best "street race car"...cause I dont think it is. The rotary engine makes the Rex very unique and special....I think that dropping a Ford of all things into it is ruining it. At least put in something decent like a stroked LT1...but its all up to personal prefrence of course.



devil...check the stats. i read recently in Road and Track Mag that the new viper pulls 12.2 in the 1/4 mile, whereas the Z06 hits 12.8. Not that much faster. And some test driver for Chevy can do clutchless upshifts, so it can potentially go even faster. For literally half the money, why would you want the Viper? To stand out? Then spend all that extra money you'd save and blow a Viper to Bumfuck and back, and get a body kit that would make AbFlug jealous. "if you swing that way....."

some people got owned... :D

Good Show Jspec Nightmare.:)

Well, the 13b rotary is a great, well built engine that will live forever if properly maintained.

The 1st gen RX-7 rotary, however, isn't. My car collector cousin had a 1st gen turbo Rex. Though he loved it to death, it gave him more fits than his CARBURETTED Ferrari 308.

I myself would swap in either a new Renesis (250hp stock, NA) or one of the Cosmo 3row rotaries. High revs, and torque, in a rotary.... OWNAGE!

Actually, I'll one-up you for weight savings, Cbass. RX-3!

whereas the Z06 hits 12.8. Not that much faster. And some test driver for Chevy can do clutchless upshifts, so it can potentially go even faster. For literally half the money, why would you want the Viper? To stand out? Then spend all that extra money you'd save and blow a Viper to Bumfuck and back, and get a body kit that would make AbFlug jealous. "if you swing that way....."
Yes magazine racing. So the Corvette has the potential to go faster, but the Viper doesn't. Why have a few people been hitting 11.9 in the GTS by nothing more then taking out the spare tire? Same tires, same everything that came with the car. I think 11.9 is probably the max of that GTS, and if thats the case, the new Viper should be able to manage a 11.7 at least. Why buy a Viper? Its a high 11 second car, Corvette isn't. 12.2 to 12.8, thats leaving quite a distance behind that Corvette. I still don't believe thats the best they can get out of the car.

Also you didn't answer my first question about your Corvette?

Not everyone has a Viper. It is also a car that stands out. i can't tell you how many people around here at least I see driving Corvettes. You pay that much more to stand out some. I probably see 1 Z06 a day. Vipers?....Maybe 1 every 2 weeks or so!

Originally posted by Cbass
Um, I was talking about street legal production cars, and out of those, only the Dauer 962 is faster than the McLaren.

Also, although Bruce was a kiwi, the cars were designed and assembled in a small English town.

<hey Hybridsol, can you break your posts into paragraphs please? Thanks ;) >
Dauer Porsche 962 LM does a 0-60 in 2.6 seconds which is the fastest 0-60 PV. The 2000 HKS Racing 180SX did a 0-60 in 1.2 seconds (not in production), and the 1994 Ford SVT 10.0L Boss Mustang did a 1.9 second 0-60.
PS-(everytime I try to put my writings into paragraph form via indent, my tab dosen't give me the proper indent when I post.?)

1994 Ford SVT 10.0L Boss Mustang did a 1.9 second 0-60.

A 10L? Jesus was that a V8? That must of been huge.

Originally posted by DeViL


A 10L? Jesus was that a V8? That must of been huge.
its a V8 with displacement of 9804 cc, HP at 855 bhp @ 6200 rpm and torque at 790 lb-ft @ 5200.

Ehhh. Caterham Super Seven. 0-60 in 3.4 seconds from less than 2.0L. That's something to impress people with. Yep, this spindly little aluminum milk crate'll out drag a Mustang, then lose it in the corners.

Of course, having vinyl snap-in doors, exposed wheels with cycle fenders, and a bare side exit exhaust right next to the cockpit is the price you pay.

Ehhh. Caterham Super Seven. 0-60 in 3.4 seconds from less than 2.0L. That's something to impress people with. Yep, this spindly little aluminum milk crate'll out drag a Mustang, then lose it in the corners.

Of course, having vinyl snap-in doors, exposed wheels with cycle fenders, and a bare side exit exhaust right next to the cockpit is the price you pay.

Yeah, Super 7 clones are good for 0-60, but take them on the standing mile, and they get dusted... BTW, the slower 4.2 Cerbera ran a 32 second flying mile...

Yes, as Octagon mentioned, the 12A rotary is not exactly a peach, and the 5.0 Ford is a much more reliable engine for daily driving. Jspec, you imply the Ford Windsor lightweight 5.0 is not a good engine, compared to the LT1. I disagree, although the LT1 may have a little more advantage in displacement, the 5.0 is mucher cheaper to attain, and with a little bit of tuning, can make quite a lot of power.

They are in junkyards everywhere, in everything from Thunderbirds to Licolns, to 5.0 Mustangs, with a good number of transmissions to choose from. The only weak point I see with the 5.0 is the T5 it comes with, it's not built to handle much more than the stock output.

As for the 10 liter Mustang, it's good to see I'm not the only one who's heard of it :D It was a big 429 Ford, that they stroked and built quite nicely... Then they put in the new Mustang :D

devil...Actually my car is only 325 stock, for I only have the LT1 engine...ZR-1 is a dream, but the Z06 is the real gold. however, I have a couple mods that should bump me up to 350hp/370 ft lbs or so.


cbass...yea the 5.0 motor is much cheaper in all ways, its true. But my point was that it comes down to personal preference, and I would have my own motor over any other.

And even though I have a sligh bias against Fords, I will admit that that 10l boss engine is absolutley terrifying. the SR-351(i think thats it) Saleen Mustang....I think 1995 year range also, is the only other type of mustang I show any respect for.

As for the Vette vs Viper argement...I don't think it will ever end. But all I have to say is the C5R tears the ass outta the Team Oreca Viper. Le Mans ownage.

I don't know what your talking about?! Those Team Oreca Viper's owned everyone for a long time! And, I agree if you want any real power out of a 5.0 you need to put on a tranny that wil handle it.

Heh no one ever argued that the Corvette was a better handling car, it certainly is. It's also said that the Viper will jerk you around if you don't be careful with it on the road, driving with one hand is a bad idea. Whether that is true or not, you'd have to ask a Viper owner.

The way I see it, the Viper is like a modern day version of the Shelby Cobra. Just with a big block V10 instead of V8. Which is another thing I find interesting about it because American Muscle was all about the V8s. Dodge didn't even consider a fuel injected Hemi for it, just went straight to a 10 cylinder. The Z06 is definately a nice car I got to sit in a yellow one at the autoshow in DC last sunday. For a car so low to the ground it sure is easy as hell to get in. Wide and comfortable, seems to have more space then that new Ford Thunderbird.

Jspec, the reason I recommend the 5.0 in this particular case is, the HO oil pan clears the RX7 front crossmember if the crossmember is installed backwards. The 5.0 motor mounts bolt right up, and the trannies fit nicely in the tunnel. There is a fair bit more work involved in putting a 350 into a first generation RX7.

Don't be so quick to put down Mustangs either, they're a good platform, even if they are a little underpowered from the factory. Just by doing a little porting, a cam and some exhaust work, you can really wake up those 5.0 engines. It's not that difficult to get the LX sedan style Mustangs under 3000 lbs, and there are a lot of suspension options out there. For the money you can get one for, they are quite a bargain, and a few thousand in the right places will have you running with Corvettes, even in the corners ;)

*looks very smug as he dons his Scuderia Ferrari cap*

Oreca Viper? C5R? Saleen S7R? In case no one has been paying attention, these cars have been owned in qualifying by the NON-FACTORY Prodrive Ferrari 575 Maranellos. V-12's OWN at Le Mans. FORZA CAVAILLANO RAMPANTE!

*shrugs shoulders* A Vette is a Vette and a Viper is a Viper. They're two totally different approaches to the idea of making an American sports car. The Viper is more coarse, more raw, and more of an exercise in the "Big Hammer" school of thought (ie. We don't have enough accel- bigger engine. We don't have enough grip- more tire, and so forth). The Vette is more of a being of constant evolution. It's layout is traceable straight back to the C2 Stingray (the first all independent suspension, closed cabin Vette). Even after nearly 40years, there's still a transverse leaf spring IRS, full frame, and an oddly laid back radiator. They've basically refined it to the point where they've got to investigate new technology to get any more out of the platform without a full ground up rethink.

I've never really been impressed with the Viper as a car. To me, a car with that much displacement, that little weight, and that much tire had better be running the numbers it does. It doesn't do anything astonishing once you look at its specs. Now, looking at the specs of, say, the new Maybach, you get impressed. Explain to me again what business a sedan weighing 6030lbs has doing 0-62mph in 5.2seconds. That's spooky. The Vette is more impressive to me since it does more with less, for less. I always thought sports cars were supposed to be minimalist, anyways. (probably why I own an MGB)

What the heck is a Maybach?

Wish the Corvette still had a 427....will we ever see that day again?

Maybach makes one crazy ass Benz's.

The Maybach 57:
Base price: $300,000
Weight: 5800lbs
0-60: 5.1

The Maybach 62:
Base price: $360,000
Weight: 6100 lbs
0-60: 5.4

The heart of both cars are the same... a 5.5 Liter twin turbo'ed v12. Yielding 550 hp and 664 lb/ft.

Problay the most luxurious car in the world, and pretty damn quick.

Doesn't seem like a strong running engine if its producing that with twin turbochargers. Don't the Lamborghinis produce around that without twin turbos? I know the Diablos had a 5.7L and 6.0L option.

For a car that costs as much as a Bentley, it better have the some of the best luxory available. Thats a little much to pay for a car.

True Devil, the Lambo's do make that much horsepower.. Butt no way do they make 664 lb/ft of torque. So I do feel that the engine is rather quite worthy... The sheer weight of the massive car requires that torque to get that fat ass moving..

2000 Diablo:
6.0 liter v12... 550 hp, 457 lb/ft.

Yeah no kidding thats certainly a heavy car. What is it made out of some of the heaviest metals on earth?

Nope, just big as hell. The car is 78inches wide, 225.5inches long, 133.4inches long, and 61.9inches tall. Plus it's riding on an air suspension and has every conceivable luxury feature available (clear roof that you can electronically tint to completely opaque, for example).

Not really a car to drive, but one to be driven in. Personally, I'm more partial to the equally ultra torquey Bentley Arnage type-R with the old pushrod V-8. I think they admitted to in the area of 600+ Pound feet.

Wow sounds like one hell of a car. Has everything except an electronic driver huh? Is there any pictures of it on the internet?

You know that black and purplish sedan in the one banner over to the left when you first log onto AF? That's a Maybach.

Originally posted by RACER D12


Heres the list the Mclaren is 11th on the list(this is from supercars.net)

1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2.409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
3. 406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
4.403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept
5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans
6.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept
7. 400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept
8.400 kph / 248.5 mph 1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 Record
9. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC
10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S
11. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1

And about the R33 i did get one a model:D that was a joke i have been waiting for some one to call me on that. And about Ferrari I didnt say they were german but I still want one
the reason the McLaren is the fastest car in the world is not b/c of its top speed, it is a combination of that and its quick acceleration. Also that list looks a little f-ed up to me I don't think thats right either, If you check the thread that goes along with the list very many other disagree as well. Anyway you do the math the mclaren adds up TS_QS.
PS Cbass- VTEC was first drawn up in the early 80's the very first model to use this engine was the DA6 Honda Integra RSi/XSi, first introduced by Honda in April 1989.

hemi cuda', boss 429, or copo/yenko camro with zl-1 427. (all with new drag tire)

hemi cuda', boss 429, or copo/yenko camro with zl-1 427. (all with new drag tire)

Go away... :twak:

For Fucks sake...