pro's and con's

Ok, so I am know looking at the Stealth TT. The reason for this is beacuse the VR4's iv bein finding r just way to expensive. So far i havnt really been able to find much about the stealth tt (trust me iv been lookn). So i was wonering (if you own one or just know about it) if you could help me. All I am wondering is if its a pratical daily driver and is it reliable

So far those are my only questions (but by the time anyone respondes to this ill remember more questions)


Thanx to anyone who helps!

Ok, so I am know looking at the Stealth TT. The reason for this is beacuse the VR4's iv bein finding r just way to expensive. So far i havnt really been able to find much about the stealth tt (trust me iv been lookn). So i was wonering (if you own one or just know about it) if you could help me. All I am wondering is if its a pratical daily driver and is it reliable

So far those are my only questions (but by the time anyone respondes to this ill remember more questions)


Thanx to anyone who helps!

Mine is my daily driver in the non-snow months, always been reliable to me. It all depends on how it's been cared for. Check out the 'common questions' section.

reliable if taken care of.

but, like any used car, i wouldnt blow all of your money on it...keep some just in case money. odds are if someone's selling a car, theres something wrong with it.

Mine is my daily driver in the non-snow months, always been reliable to me. It all depends on how it's been cared for. Check out the 'common questions' section.

Same here, except I do drive in the winter.

it's ok for daily driving...dont expect great gas milage. but the tt allows for a lot of things. it's not a true sports car, but a grand tourer(cheaper for insurance that way). therefor u get luxeries but u still get thrills when u want them.

i like mine, it's been ok to me. just an ecu issue and hit a tree thanks to some bald tires

They are the same the car, the stealth and the 3000GT.

if you could say there is one rly bad thing about the car that you cant stand, what would that be?

It isn't running...

Jason

haha.. other then that.. its heavy..

if you could say there is one rly bad thing about the car that you cant stand, what would that be?

...age?

also they are addictive. You'll find quite a few owners who have multiple 3/s's. Doesnt sound like such a bad thing...but it can bankrupt you. I pay off my 93 in a few months and i think im gonna get a '99 SL :icon16:

they are addictive. i've wanted to sell mine for a while, but just can't part with it. my ex can't part with hers either.

weight, granted power kinda makes up for it

age...parts arent gonne get easier to find unless u know someone

...age?

also they are addictive. You'll find quite a few owners who have multiple 3/s's. Doesnt sound like such a bad thing...but it can bankrupt you. I pay off my 93 in a few months and i think im gonna get a '99 SL :icon16:


Its so true!! I have two.. and almost got a third!! didn't.. but almost.. and my black one I am easy 20k into it.. (and its not even running yet!)



age...parts arent gonne get easier to find unless u know someone


You all know some.. haha wink

I am goign to say no, its not a good daily. While mine has never left me stranded and always started I couldnt think of having to rely on one as a daily. There are alot that do though. The only problem with it is when something goes, its not cheap, and its not easy to get to. Plus not a whole lot of places will work on it, so you HAVE to learn to work on it yourself unless you have $$$ to blow. Plus the urge to mod is unreal and there goes all your money.


Coop

yea i know we all know someone...

so your saying that if i got one and had to use it as a daily drive it wouldnt be smart, on account of finding/paying for parts if sumthen goes bad? so pretty much money problems? right?... also i wont im not that old and dont have the best of jobs, is the car really had to keep on the road? like with keeping up with part and insurance, n all tht other stuff.

(thanx for all the help also)

like I said, it has never left me with a towing bill. Cant say the same of my 00 blazer with less then 100k on the clock. But the alt that went out on my blazer was 50 bucks. Its around 200 for the vr4. Unless you know how to take it off and get it rebuilt for 20 and then put it back on yourself. (kind of get the idea?) Plus people didnt buy these cars to drive them nicely. They are all driven hard so then its really up to how well that person kept up with leaks and fluid changes. Good luck finding a 1st gen that doesn have some sort of syncro problem, and then good luck finding the synco to fix it. On top of that, ever drop an awd tranny? Not fun. I dont want to scare you away from one because if you ever get to drive one then thats all you will want and you will not care. If you want a 3/s then I suggest you start with a DSM. Cheap to find, cheap to fix, and cheap parts. With a better aftermarket. Then if you want to get a 3/s later, almost everything is the same. Or get a 3/s and a cheap honda to daily while you do have fun with your 3/s.


Coop

i own two cars...a stealth and a 944...they both are expensive to repair. but if u do some of the work yourself it's cheaper with the 3/s, i dont even mess with the 944. as for insurance, theres to many factors to tell uwat ur quote will be. i pay only 363 every six months...but it's listed as a secondary car that is used 2 or 3x a wk. the 944 is more.

mine hasnt given me issues other than the ecu. about 800 for a new one. and about 10 bucks on labor to put in...not that difficult.

if u buy one...get something like a civic or accord or like them that dont kill u on gas, and are most of the time reliable.

I've had about 20 or so 3000GT's and Stealth's. Twin turbos, non turbos, etc. They're great cars. And very reliable if you leave it stock, and maintain it. Fix small problems before they come BIG problems. And spend the extra money on a well maintained car, because you'll spend twice as much in the long run if you get a cheaper one from a kid who couldn't afford to keep it anymore.

How much are you looking at spending on one?

Don't forget... these were 40k cars brand new. They still cost as much as a 40k car to repair.

^ all i gotta say is damn

ooo! ooo! I thought of another con!

SHITTY REAR VISIBILITY! as i backed into someone today lol.

not a car, dont worry, no damage...luckily people are soft and fleshy haha.

and luckily the dude was cool about it...he kinda laughed.

I dont think that its totally fair that em say this. Em has a bf that owns a 3/s shop in New york. So no only does she know EXACTLY what to look for buying them if anythign does go wrong she has someone who knows how to fix it. She is right, stock is reliable. But its so easy to get that downpipe, turn up the boost, get bigger intercoolers, bigger fuel pump, ext, and ext.


Coop

it might b easy...but i have no want to mod my car so that i'm running in the 12.something league.

everyone has their own opinion on whether a car is reliable. i dont really think a honda is any more so than a chevrolet...it depends on the owner of said vehicle

and rearward visibilty...i think thats more an issue for the 3kgt...the stealth has a bigger wondow behind the driver and passenger. i went from driving the 96 sl to driving the 92 rt...world of a difference looking thru the back

and rearward visibilty...i think thats more an issue for the 3kgt...the stealth has a bigger wondow behind the driver and passenger. i went from driving the 96 sl to driving the 92 rt...world of a difference looking thru the back

yea, i can imagine not having the giant B-pillars would help.

so...enough of the con's...shall we start on the pro's? How many pages can we make this thread? :lol:

power, all season usefulness unlike the other cars in the class. even tho not as rare, u dont see em everyday. u got a great community of people on here and 3si

insurance is a down.

insurance is a down.

see, i dont understand that one. People always say that these cars are expensive to insure, but My insurance is pretty freaking cheap. I pay less than 100/mo. with collision and comp w/full glass.

You guys should go get Geico quotes.

i pay 363 for 6 months coverage. it's listed as car number 4 in a family with 3 drivers...cheaper that way.

I dont think that its totally fair that em say this. Em has a bf that owns a 3/s shop in New york. So no only does she know EXACTLY what to look for buying them if anythign does go wrong she has someone who knows how to fix it. She is right, stock is reliable. But its so easy to get that downpipe, turn up the boost, get bigger intercoolers, bigger fuel pump, ext, and ext.


Coop

it isn't totally fair that I say what??

and he owns a shop in PA.

I didn't always have someone to fix my cars, I used to fix them myself.

my first Vr-4... I did all the maintenance on it myself, I couldn't afford to pay anyone else to do it. I paid $3k over blue book value for it... and for the 55k miles that I drove it, the only things I ever had to do, were oil changes, change the thermostat, and brakes.

you wait around, and pay for a well maintained car, from someone who is OBSESSED with their car, and the cleanliness and perfection of that car... and you will have a headache free ownership

i'm only 17.. 6 months for mine is like 1800. i'm rated under my moms cadillac for about 110 a month though. when i turn 18 in june i'm pretty screwed unless i still am rated under her.

crackhedbob... im only 17 also n im lookn at the Stealth TT (is it a VR4 u own?)... did u read the thread about being to young to own a VR4? n do u think any of tht is true? bc theres a kid at my skool whose only 16 with a VR4 and has had it for about a year know and hasnt killed himself or the car yet. All i really wana know is it not logical for me to get a Stealth TT? bc iv found 1 for like 6k with only 88k miles on it n its a 92. n iv been driven my dads s2k for a bit so i can handle a fast car...

But whts really up is do u with its worth me droppn 6k n then payn for insurance n then sum gas ontop of tht... bc i rly love the VR4, iv driven my friends n its amazing... and if you are wondering why im lookn at the Stealth instead is because they are alot cheaper

age is just a number...its all about mentality, maturity, and experience.

this is true... but im stuck right now... i no these r 2 completly different cars but im considering both bc im looking for one i can mod after i buy, ones a stealth tt for 6k and only has 88k miles on it.... the other is a SRT-4 03, with 75k miles and cost 10k....

im looking for a car that i could use as a daily drive but then on the weekends kill bitches...

thanx for all the help also

i've been in and out of this thread at work and school.

theres a guy at my school who has a 1st gen tt stealth. i think it's worth it if you can get rated on another car. insurance won't be so bad. the vr-4 or stealth tt don't get good gas milage, but what turbo'd car does?

personal preference. if you have a steady job, go for it. don't go for the srt-4. are you an experienced driver? do you have raging hormones? i bought my car from my old lady math teacher at the end of sophomore year. i can't say i don't race a lot, but i am to the point where i can handle my power, and need more (like a twin turbo)

go for it. it will be worth it in the end, instead of saying "Damn, wish i did when i had the chance"

u can be 29, and still drive like an idiot therefor making a tt 3s a bad option...we had an example on here a few wks ago of just that situation.

i'm 20, the only thing i've ever done bad with my 92 tt, hit a tree, and thats cause i lost traction in the snow going down the driveway

EhyBrah123 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=526826): I've got a 92 TT, 74k miles, 93 Vr4 engine (forged crank, 4 bolt main) w/65k miles, rebuilt transmission that shifts PERFECTLY!!!, and a brand new paint job and near perfect interior for 7500. I'm willing to guarantee the quality of the car. lol

And I'm located in PA... a few hour drive from MD :)

haha yeah iv seen ur Stealth for sale... tht cars is RLY nice...

but the only reason why im leaning tword the 03 SRT-4 is because it get like 29/36 mpg... n iv seen it don so i know it does tht (when u drive it like u rly should be driving it) and the car is turboed, thts a rly big reason why im leaning more tword it... n also bc its an 03 compared to a 93... parts are goina be alot easyer to get... also like people were saying earlyer.. tht isnt it goina cost me crazy money to get sumthen fixed on it? like no joke iv seen a VR4 stay in a shop for months at a time... sad story actually, this guy got his VR4 n had it for like 3 months n got into an accident n it was in the shop for like 3 months got it back, n then 8 minutes on the road an idiot runs a red light n tailes the hell outta him... tht happen in september, and he just got his car back this past week.. he said it was because the ppl had a probelm finding the parts and then getting them on... thts my only conser, is if i drop a ton of money on tht car then the smallest thing can happen and i wont get it back for months bc of finding parts and getting someone to get em on at a price i could pay for

plz post back to this, i rly want to know what you think of it now

haha yeah iv seen ur Stealth for sale... tht cars is RLY nice...

but the only reason why im leaning tword the 03 SRT-4 is because it get like 29/36 mpg... n iv seen it don so i know it does tht (when u drive it like u rly should be driving it) and the car is turboed, thts a rly big reason why im leaning more tword it... n also bc its an 03 compared to a 93... parts are goina be alot easyer to get... also like people were saying earlyer.. tht isnt it goina cost me crazy money to get sumthen fixed on it? like no joke iv seen a VR4 stay in a shop for months at a time... sad story actually, this guy got his VR4 n had it for like 3 months n got into an accident n it was in the shop for like 3 months got it back, n then 8 minutes on the road an idiot runs a red light n tailes the hell outta him... tht happen in september, and he just got his car back this past week.. he said it was because the ppl had a probelm finding the parts and then getting them on... thts my only conser, is if i drop a ton of money on tht car then the smallest thing can happen and i wont get it back for months bc of finding parts and getting someone to get em on at a price i could pay for

plz post back to this, i rly want to know what you think of it now


I have about 3 cars worth of any parts you could ever need for that car, and I can guarantee the transmission (because it's out of my personal car that my dad drove for the last 40k miles, and some old lady had it before him, then a lawyer before that), and have no doubt in my mind about the engine and rest of the car :)

As for how long it's in the shop.... it just depends on what shop you take it to, and what's being done. Sometimes they're in for hours, sometimes days, sometimes months.

Drive a Vr-4/TT like it should (casually), and you'll get mid 20's/gallon :)

another thing... the srt-4 is fwd... TT/Vr4 is AWD. better traction in bad weather.

i've been in and out of this thread at work and school.

theres a guy at my school who has a 1st gen tt stealth. i think it's worth it if you can get rated on another car. insurance won't be so bad. the vr-4 or stealth tt don't get good gas milage, but what turbo'd car does?

personal preference. if you have a steady job, go for it. don't go for the srt-4. are you an experienced driver? do you have raging hormones? i bought my car from my old lady math teacher at the end of sophomore year. i can't say i don't race a lot, but i am to the point where i can handle my power, and need more (like a twin turbo)

go for it. it will be worth it in the end, instead of saying "Damn, wish i did when i had the chance"

Subaru WRX, Legacy GT, SRT-4, VW Jetta 1.8T (along with there other 1.8T vehicles) to name just a few.


I would say for a 17 year old this is definately NOT a good daily driver. Can they be reliable? Yes. However, if you compared them to true reliable sportier cars, they are not. Most every single person I know with one has had a fair amount of problems or at least a few. And when things do break they are not cheap and sometimes not easy to find. TT's are not especially great on gas mileage either.

um...might wanna check to see if your insurance company insures srt4's. not all company's do. think 230-ish hp and inch wide tires...fwd and torque steer galore. the srt is a good alternative to a vr4/tt. it gives the turbo so u can kinda get used to the idea of a "surge" of power. and it's a compact sport, not sport, therefor a lil cheaper if u can insure it

Subaru WRX, Legacy GT, SRT-4, VW Jetta 1.8T (along with there other 1.8T vehicles) to name just a few.

great... but now let's compare them to a honda civic, or any other n/a 4 banger. turbo will = less mpg


TT's are not especially great on gas mileage either.

exactly my point.

strait line performance, the TT/VR-4 and the SRT-4 are actually very comperable. But when you factor in grip and cornering, the 3/s is just miles ahead.

I was debating the same thing when i was car shopping...VR-4 vs SRT-4. But, not for the reasons you are. I actually test drove an SRT-4 and came pretty close to buying it. The main thing that steered me away was price (back then it was a new vehicle).

For you...just weigh out all the differences. 3/s looks better, is more unique, and more capable handling. SRT is newer, cheaper to own/mod (probably), and still has great strait line speed and ok cornering, and gets better MPG.

Back when mine had 550 injectors I drove it back from AL and it got 27mpg, I didnt take it easy either. Just make sure you know how to work on your own car or you will be broke quickly.


Coop

Back when mine had 550 injectors I drove it back from AL and it got 27mpg, I didnt take it easy either. Just make sure you know how to work on your own car or you will be broke quickly.


Coop

Thats just insane for a vr4. The best ive been able to pull was 23.5. havnt measured strictly highway though.

the best i ever got with the tt was 25...rt81 south to VA in september.

and not all turbo's are bad...TDi anybody? i believe vw is getting around 50mpg with those cars...even the civic hybrid doesnt get that much

great... but now let's compare them to a honda civic, or any other n/a 4 banger. turbo will = less mpg




exactly my point.


You asked what got good gas mileage, I told you what did, and they do. That is like me saying now, well the Honda Civic? Let's take a look at the Prius, it gets better mileage. And it came if that your point was that turbo cars don't get good gas mileage. That is what I took from this specific quote of yours, "don't get good gas milage, but what turbo'd car does?". While of course there are some n/a cars out there that get better, they still do very well. The TT does not get the best mileage do to the fact that it is heavier, AWD, and has to have more power to pull the weight around.

I would say for a 17 year old this is definately NOT a good daily driver. Can they be reliable? Yes. However, if you compared them to true reliable sportier cars, they are not. Most every single person I know with one has had a fair amount of problems or at least a few. And when things do break they are not cheap and sometimes not easy to find. TT's are not especially great on gas mileage either.

I have to disagree here. I bought my first Vr4, a 95, just after I turned 18. It was probably the best purchase I've ever made. If you take the time to learn about the car, learn how to fix it, and learn how to maintain it, it's not as expensive to own as you might think. If you're paying a joe-shmoe mechanics shop to do the work, you'll be paying out your ears, and if you find a reputable local shop, it's not too bad.

The best advice I can give you, spend the extra money for a car you KNOW is well cared for and problem free... from someone who is obsessed with their car and the quality of their car, and learn how to do the basic stuff yourself. Get someone local from 3si to help you out, that's how I learned how to work on my car myself. Ownership will be enjoyable, and you'll REALLY appreciate your car, when you've done the work and fixed it yourself :)

BTW... these cars do get good gas mileage. In a TT/Vr4, if you keep it out of boost during regular driving, and drive like a NORMAL person lol, expect mid 20mpg. Best I ever got was high 20's per gallon, probably around 27 or so. That was just cruising on the highway, 70mph or so, moderate to light traffic. I was at about 300 miles at 1/2 a tank.

You asked what got good gas mileage, I told you what did, and they do. That is like me saying now, well the Honda Civic? Let's take a look at the Prius, it gets better mileage. And it came if that your point was that turbo cars don't get good gas mileage. That is what I took from this specific quote of yours, "don't get good gas milage, but what turbo'd car does?". While of course there are some n/a cars out there that get better, they still do very well. The TT does not get the best mileage do to the fact that it is heavier, AWD, and has to have more power to pull the weight around.

right, but you named all 4 cylinder turbos. my exact point was stating that a n/a would get better mpg.. most of the time. compare a turbo 4 to a n/a 4.... then a n/a 6 to a turbo 6.

understandably, the 4 cylinder would save gas. i see your point of those cars get good ok mpg, but they are also smaller than the 3000GT, so i guess i should have stated a 6 cylinder turbo that gets 4 cylinder mpg.

ok comparison turbo 4 to n/a 4. my 944 is a 2.5l 4, i get if i'm lucky highway cruising only 27mpg. my neon with a 2.0l n/a got me at best 29mpg highway. an srt4 gets wat 26mpg from a 2.4l turbo? hmm only one less than my 944.

a 3kgt n/a and turbo get around the same mpg. hell i drove to va and got better gas milage than my gf at the time who owns a 3k sl, granted she's not exactly wat u'd call light footed either.

to compare a turbo to a n/a is stupid and nothing short of it. u want performance but with good gas milage, go buy a 911 or a vette, both advertise 26mpg and give u 325hp(911) 430hp(vette) but i dont think u have between 46k and 73k...now do u? even at that the 911 turbo(997) gets around 23mpg...pretty good with 480hp and 505tq and awd, with 3350lbs to haul. and the zo6(as much as i doubt this) gets 25mpg highway, with 505hp and around 3100lbs to hual.

a tt 3/s; awd, 3750lbs(close to), 300-320hp, 305-315tq, aws on some(not sure if that affects mpg), gets advertised 24mpg...most of us average highway 22-23.
a na 3/s; fwd, wat 3200lbs(correct if wrong), 218-222hp, 201tq?, gets advertised 25mpg(o boy one better)...my experience 24. again only one mile difference. over the course of the tank, that's like 19miles and change. yes i relize that big out in the plians, but coasts, gas stations every 200yrds.

like girly said, stay out of the turbo's and u get good gas milage, not great but it's a sports car, ur supposed to care. u pay 73k for the 911 u shouldnt care about how bad gas milage is, u can can afford the car u can afford the gas. if not than tough shit.

every car has it's pros and cons. my neon con: bad resale among a few other things pro: good first car among many other thing 944: con: part costs pro: its a porsche stealth: con: gas milage(i dont care) pro: one hell of a fun car


note: sorry todays hasn't been my best

this thread is alomst worthless. if u have a choice between the two cars the srt4 and a tt stealth. write down on a piece of paper everything u want in a car, than colomize it, and see which of the two cars meet the most aspects. i chose the 944 over a 96 240sx that way, and i havent second guessed my purchase yet. hell for the fun of it, add in a 3rd car that's n/a...u may b surprised

fed-ex vector a zanex... lol wow.

just kidding. yeah, make a list and make a choice depending on situations.

i believe the +1 mpg on the 3/s is incorrect. that's an estimation by the factory.. egh like i trust factory anything.

fed-ex vector a zanex... lol wow.

just kidding. yeah, make a list and make a choice depending on situations.

i believe the +1 mpg on the 3/s is incorrect. that's an estimation by the factory.. egh like i trust factory anything.

i'm actually not allowed to accept packages from fed ex as i work for ups...it's in a contract that i signed. i can only accept from usps or ups...no joke.

i dont trsut most things that fctories say about cars, but for comparitive reasons i just went with what i thought factory said it got

i'm actually not allowed to accept packages from fed ex as i work for ups...it's in a contract that i signed. i can only accept from usps or ups...no joke.

i dont trsut most things that fctories say about cars, but for comparitive reasons i just went with what i thought factory said it got

haha that's funny. i work in a ups store. i didn't know that though. you must actually work deeper into the company to have to sign that contract.

i'm not deep at all, i only work till christmas eve, thats it. it doesnt really matter to me tho, i dont get anything shipped. just a new porsche emblem coming in, that's coming via Porsche truck...kinda cool.

I HIGHLY doubt you are made to sign a contract saying you cant accept a package from FedEx. You have no control over how people ship items. For instance, my company uses solely UPS. Say we were to solely use FedEx and I sold you something. I would ship it FedEx. They can't stop you from accepting a package sent to you.

Now maybe they can make you send solely UPS, but not solely receive.

I have to disagree here. I bought my first Vr4, a 95, just after I turned 18. It was probably the best purchase I've ever made. If you take the time to learn about the car, learn how to fix it, and learn how to maintain it, it's not as expensive to own as you might think. If you're paying a joe-shmoe mechanics shop to do the work, you'll be paying out your ears, and if you find a reputable local shop, it's not too bad.

The best advice I can give you, spend the extra money for a car you KNOW is well cared for and problem free... from someone who is obsessed with their car and the quality of their car, and learn how to do the basic stuff yourself. Get someone local from 3si to help you out, that's how I learned how to work on my car myself. Ownership will be enjoyable, and you'll REALLY appreciate your car, when you've done the work and fixed it yourself :)

Best overal post in the thread... follow it. :grinyes:

I have an sl and get around 27 around town and about 30-32 highway, but I only blow out the cabon deposits like 4 or 5 times a tank.

I think I hate how huge our tanks are btw, man it really hurts to spend upwards of $70 on gas per fill!:uhoh:

dude up to 70 bucks...how much is gas for u. i pay 3.05/gal. but when i was paying 3.51 when i bought it last summer, it sucked. the bigger tank makes up for the gas milage, i get more miles per tank with the stealth than i did the neon, the 944 does better than both.

Gas is a little cheaper around here than most places ( I live in southern VA) regular is $2.70 right now, but what i am saying about the truck sized tank is that its cool you dont have to fill up often, but it makes you feel like your spending so much more moneda!

gas here in SW florida is 3.32 premium.. gay.

welll anyways EhyBrah123 how much are you looking to spend? are you willing to travel?

this goes against my will as i hate the car and the company, but have u considered a honda civic si. they get somewhat decent gas milage, reliable, and relativly decent performance.


stealthee ur right, i can receive cant ship

how can you not ship? how would they know?