hey im new but learning fast in this business. im 17 and have a budget but its not strict. i was wordering how would be the best way to get the most horses out of all motor without spending tons of money and not doing to much internal work. then once i acomplish this with yalls suggstions and help then i will drop a turbo with phat boost or something. but i have a 95 civic coupe ex 5 speed i had for 2 months and the only mods yet are 17" white tenzo r shu 4, tenzo r type 2 rear section with 2.5" pipe all the way to the head and high flo cat. and a aem short ram. so all suggestions are welcome to give me the most horses for as cheap as possible. thanx

Originally posted by civic_runner>
so all suggestions are welcome to give me the most horses for as cheap as possible. thanx

I've to free ones for you.
1.) Remove your power stearing belt, same concept as underdrive pulley's but taken a step further.
2.) Advance your timing a couple of degrees, you must use 92 octane gas with this mod.

NOS is cheap, but illegal

Nitrous isn't cheap or illegal(at least not everywhere).
Nitrous would probably be the best way to go if you're looking for a good power boost without all of the hassle of a FI setup. It's not "cheap" however. CHEAPER, yes, but not dirt cheap either.
And the legality of nitrous various from state to state I believe.

save the money and do it right and go turbo!
i would say thats the best way 2 go
wit all motor u can only go soo far..
but wit turbo u can start at low boost n work yoour way up, n wit turbo u can build ur motor t take lots of boost,
n u know more boost=more hp:D

:flipa: Listen boys, the best thing do, is get a turbo kit. They're cheaper than nos and the won't blow the shit out of your motor. They also give you more horsepower than nos and nos only lasts a few seconds while turbo is always on. :flipa:

They're cheaper than nos and the won't blow the shit out of your motor

not tru
nos is way cheaper than turbo kit can cost anywhere from 3,000 to 5,000
that is alot more expensive. and wit a turbo kit u can blow your motor 2 if u run 2 much boost especially with the weak internalls of a honda that take only 6-8 psi stock!

but i still save up and do it rite n go turbo!

If you are one of those people that look at your engine everyday just to see if everything is okay.....I would go turbo because it takes a little bit more maintenance then nos....If you just want speed really quick and dont want to worry about anything then go nos....thats all I have to say....peace..

especially with the weak internalls of a honda that take only 6-8 psi stock!


DUDE! Honda internals are NOT weak!!!

duuddeee, yes they are,
honda internals go fter 10psi
the only thing good are their crankshafts,
but after 10psi da motor goes,
by nigga had a 95hatch wit a turbo gsr stock internals,
he boosted 14psi n blew on of his rods!!!!
hondas can run if u work them propaly,
also their fuel and ignition system has 2 be upgaded 2,
hondas need a lot of work 2 run efficiently:D

Nos vs. Turbo

Nitrous Express wet kit $465 shipped for up to 75 hp safely!!!
Break it down, thats $6.20 per hp

Rev Hard stage 2C $2750 shipped for +120hp at 9psi
Break it down, thats $22.91 per hp

The only problem with nitrous is $40 to fill the bottle. If you are like me and would use 2-3 bottle a month. Thats another $960-$1440 a year for nitrous. Its up to you. If you need to know where to go to get these prices, just let me know.

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
duuddeee, yes they are,
honda internals go fter 10psi
the only thing good are their crankshafts,
but after 10psi da motor goes,
by nigga had a 95hatch wit a turbo gsr stock internals,
he boosted 14psi n blew on of his rods!!!!
hondas can run if u work them propaly,
also their fuel and ignition system has 2 be upgaded 2,
hondas need a lot of work 2 run efficiently:D

Honda internals aren't weak...What are you comparing them too? How much should stock internals be able to hold boostwise? All vehicles need a fuel and ignition upgrade when running FI or nitrous...

im comparing them to othe cars that comes wit turbos,
4g63 internals can handle 20psi
13b internals can handle 14psi
sr20det internals can handle 14psi
3s-gte internals can handle 14psu
2jz-gte can handle 15psi
rb26dett can handle about 15psi
vg30dett can handle about 15psi

see compared 2 other turbo cars honda itnrenals is weak!

but dont get me wrong i luv hondas n their capabilitites but u jus got 2 wrk dem rite, look at stephen papsidaki low 8sec civic!

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
im comparing them to othe cars that comes wit turbos,
4g63 internals can handle 20psi
13b internals can handle 14psi
sr20det internals can handle 14psi
3s-gte internals can handle 14psu
2jz-gte can handle 15psi
rb26dett can handle about 15psi
vg30dett can handle about 15psi

see compared 2 other turbo cars honda itnrenals is weak!

but dont get me wrong i luv hondas n their capabilitites but u jus got 2 wrk dem rite, look at stephen papsidaki low 8sec civic!

I knew you were going to say that...NO DAMN DUH cars that come with turbo's STOCK have stronger internal engine components. They're built to handle boost. They come with forged components. Honda's and other cars that don't come with turbo's stock aren't made to handle boost, so of course you're going to have to put more into them if you want to run a lot of boost. Comparing non-turbo cars to turbo cars is like apples to oranges...NOT a good idea.

I'd like to know whats the best boost kit to get if u just wanna stay at
7-9psi?

rev hard?
drag?
greddy?

Originally posted by 97gsr
I'd like to know whats the best boost kit to get if u just wanna stay at
7-9psi?

rev hard?
drag?
greddy?

Drag gets my vote.

Whoever is using Garrett turbos would have my vote.

Originally posted by Polygon
Whoever is using Garrett turbos would have my vote.

DRAG does:)

Drag = lag
If you only want to run low boost you'll have quicker spool up with GReddy or Revhard stage 1.

duuddeee, yes they are,
honda internals go fter 10psi
the only thing good are their crankshafts,
but after 10psi da motor goes,
by nigga had a 95hatch wit a turbo gsr stock internals,
he boosted 14psi n blew on of his rods!!!!
hondas can run if u work them propaly,
also their fuel and ignition system has 2 be upgaded 2,
hondas need a lot of work 2 run efficiently

What the hell do you expect from non-forged engine components? 25psi??? 10psi is good. the stock B18C1 is good for about 270 hp and after that you'll have to do a rebuild of the motor. How much do you expect man?? Chill out. And about that max motor you mentioned......it's a higher compression 6 cylinder engine of course it will have thicker connecting rods and stronger internals.......what is this world coming to......people just ddon't use their brains anymore.....Dude...I think you be playing too much Gran Tourismo.....:flipa:

VORTECH SUPERCHARGER....

If you got the time and money don't even ask again just turbo it and get a great fuel management system and never look back at a NA car

Its not that the internals are necessarly weak its that the engine is not made to have forced induction. Every factory turbo engine has a low compression ratio. Honda's are higher, that is how they make power. To get into high boost levels with a honda you have to lower the compression ratio, or you run the risk of detnation boosting over 8lbs.

"...Dude...I think you be playing
too much Gran Tourismo....."



gran tourismo my ass..
yo i get my knowledge from da street, is seen 2 much turbo hondas get blow away at street races. that shit aint funnie, people go n turbo a gsr block and then turn there boost up to 14psi and race n blow there block cause they redline every gear in dat honda n still lose the race n blow there motor and then they wonder why their motor blew....
....such dumasses if u gona build your cat do it rite, build your internals first then boost the car to your heats contient....

but plz dont say i dont no bout cars for a 17yr old i think i no alot n im still gettin crazy knowledge...

Originally posted by sr20det2nr

yo i get my knowledge from da street, is seen 2 much turbo hondas get blow away at street races. that shit aint funnie, people go n turbo a gsr block and then turn there boost up to 14psi and race n blow there block cause they redline every gear in dat honda n still lose the race n blow there motor and then they wonder why their motor blew....
....such dumasses if u gona build your cat do it rite, build your internals first then boost the car to your heats contient....

but plz dont say i dont no bout cars for a 17yr old i think i no alot n im still gettin crazy knowledge...

your're an idoit..it's quite clear u get ur knowledge from the streets and not the books :eek: great english i must say..

anyways if ur seroius about slapping a turbo on ur car u need to rebuild to handle a deacent amount of boost

"your're an idoit.."

word...
how am i an idiot?
well? how....
by sayin that you need to build a honda motor to take more then 10psi of boost?

we in real life you do have to build the motor also you have to upgrade their ignition system and fuel system if you want the motor to run efficiently.

dont call people an idiot un less u really know that they are one!

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
"your're an idoit.."

word...
how am i an idiot?
well? how....

heres an example!

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
"such dumasses if u gona build your cat do it rite"....

how do u do this? pin it's ears back for better aerodynamics...:D


Originally posted by sr20det2nr
"yo i get my knowledge from da street"....

word homie!

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
[B]"that shit aint funnie, people go n turbo a gsr block and then turn there boost up to 14psi and race n blow there block cause they redline every gear in dat honda n still lose the race n blow there motor and then they wonder why their motor blew....
B]

what can i say about this? ahh hooked on phonics mabye?

ur grammer sux which is why i called u an idiot... der dat's da balls

:finger:

ohhh
so im a idiot because i dont type proper english.....

yo whatevers..

i really dont care

no!
your're an idiot cause you don't know how....

sorry everyone ..done whoring
:bandit:

listen here you damm ricer i can type proper english,
so stop dogging on me shit yo i didnt event get at u and you want 2 start beef damm.
yo just drop it..
shit yo what part of that dont u understand?????

go put some more stickers on your honda maybe you wil get like 15hp more
:eek:
hahahah

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damn this thread's funny!

only way to make a cat go faster is pin its ears backwards and shave its hair

hooked on phonics! works for me!


hahahahah


okey let's go back to the subject,

i myself prefer a turbo, that's what i did to my civic. i'm using stock internals and boosting only 6 psi and 9 psi max.

honda internals are not weak, it's just they are not designed for FI so if you're gonna be boosting it then better boost conservatively or else you'll have to change the internals.

now it's not fair to compare stock NA engines to stock turbo engines. their totally different. like somebody said, it's comparing apples to oranges.
Let's level the playing field a bit and compare two NA engines instead.
let's say if you remove the turbo from an SR20DET engine and run it NA with stock non-turbo internal (non forged pistons, etc.), then the stock honda engine would be more powerful in NA form.

will that be a fair comparison?

another problem with turbo systems is engine management. even if you re-built the engine using stronger internals that can withstand tons of boost, without the proper engine management and not enough fuel you will also end up with a blown motor.

got boost?

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
duuddeee, yes they are,
honda internals go fter 10psi
the only thing good are their crankshafts,
but after 10psi da motor goes,

Honda internals are reinforced with ductile and are built to handle high compression stock.

I agree with self and polygon anything using a Garret turbo is a good choice. I'd probably go with a T3 you see the size of the turbo will dictate its boost producing characteristics. Which is complicated further by altering the sizes of the turbine, or the compressor. If the turbine housing has small apertures, it will make the turbo work at low engine speeds, but cause a restriction to the exhaust gasses at high RPM. If the compressor assembly is too big in relation to the turbine, it could cause stalling, and if it is too small, it could cause the turbo to over speed and self destruct! Choose wisely young padawan. :D

I don't understand why you guys are argueing about how honda internals are weak, my dads d16's rods broke after 10 minutes of stress and he only had 135 hp, now he has a b18c5, bone stock, we did an endurance race that took 4 hours and NOTHING broke, it depends which engine you are talkin about, but b18c5 rods are very good IMO.

Turbo turbo turbo turbo....

I'm estimating 200+ whp on my Civic and I have a bolt-on 15G Greddy kit with little turbo on it. How's that for reliability? Never detonated ONCE.....

SleeperCivic, how do you like your setup? I was considering a Greddy kit myself? Have you had any trouble with the blue box? What about without an external waste gate? How do you like your Profec B-spec EBC? Are you running without an intercooler? Is your EVO much quieter with your turbo?

Thanks for ne response!

~M
:p

I love it! No problems so far. It's been on since Oct 01. I don't know about the external wastegate, mine has an acuator. The Profec B is very accurate. The intercooler makes a differece, yes, I have one. I don't know if the EVO is more quiet without the turbo, I put it on when the turbo was on. I'll never know....but it's still fairly quiet, just louder now that the CAT is emptied.