To test the ultimate knowledge of all the F1 fans hear on the forum, I shall post a quiz question every weekend towards december. When and if he wishes to repeat his yuletide quiz, Mr Bridger can take over.:wink:

After last weekends quiz picture, which Greg answered really quickly.:screwy: (F1 superfan)

There will be an F1 related prize for the first person to answer the question correctly. As Greg can testify, the prize was of great interest.

This time I have thought of a really hard question.

In the two pictures below (taken by Erik inside the cockpit of #068) are the two banks of control knobs and push button switches, positioned either side of the steering wheel.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9558/06833nu2.th.png (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06833nu2.png) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4901/06834iv5.th.png (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06834iv5.png)(clickable)

This is question 2:- Which company made the hazard warning and rear fog light push button switches and in which OEM vehicle were they used in.

As Greg can testify, the prize was of great interest.
;) :thumbsup: It was very interesting.

PS - My DA is in my son's room, and he is fast asleep :runaround: so if the answer resides in DA I won't be as fast at answering like I was last time.

WOW! 50 viewings and no guesses - I guess this one was a bit too tough

Seeing as they used BMW stalks, I guess the buttons you list must be off a Euro car, possibly BMW or something British?

They look very similar to ford to me, am sure I have seen seen them in an old Orion? But they are probably not.

They look very similar to ford to me, am sure I have seen seen them in an old Orion? But they are probably not.

No :nono:

The Escort/Orion hazard switch was column mounted and a different shape.

Try again.

General Motors Vauxhall Carlton, am sure it is the same as in one of my past works hacks.

Looks kind of Roverish?

i believe the buttons are from a VW

Sorry guys, but no :nono: to the above three answers.

This question is a tricky one!! :p

Is it off a car, or another mode of transport? as the rear lights are off a coach.......

Is it a trick question? Are they bespoke McLaren and would the OEM vehicle you speak of be the F1?

Just trying my luck here. :p

Yes OEM car mnfr.

Half the question is easy, Carbuilder was on the right track with his second answer. The other half is the tricky part.

There will be alot of :banghead: when you know the answer.

Are they same switch?

I know which the Hazard is from but until I know if I should be looking for something else I wont answer ;)

Are they same switch?

I know which the Hazard is from but until I know if I should be looking for something else I wont answer ;)

Answer the first part via PM,

If you are correct..... the second part, should not be too difficult.

I reckon, you are really close. :)

Well the wing mirror switch is vectra so am going for vectra / omega

Well the wing mirror switch is vectra so am going for vectra / omega

No :nono:

No :nono:
no :nono:
No :nono:
It's like being told off by the Headmaster :rofl: or Anne Robinson :lol: :lol: (<- Sorry, couldn't think of a stern male quiz master :))

So is the maker of the part is also the maker of car?

It's like being told off by the Headmaster :rofl: or Anne Robinson :lol: :lol: (<- Sorry, couldn't think of a stern male quiz master :))

More Magnus Magnusson!!

So is the maker of the part is also the maker of car?

Are you asking me the questions now!!:lol: ...Come on, its easy.(well it is, when you have the answers in front of you :devilsign: )

You have PM :)

Sorry Guys you loose ;)


Its a Mk2 Astra Hazard light switch.

http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/b4/62/46_1_b.JPG

(The joys of ebay :) )

However, as you're probably aware the Rear Fog light switch on the Astra is nothing like the one on the F1.

But if you were to change the picture on the front of the switch it could possibly be used to turn on a rear fog.



Le Man has told me thats correct. Yes I was sad enough to put "Vauxhall Hazard switch" into eBay :( :D

^^ Congrats!! :)

Well done rr_ww.

Many thanks for your reply on receiving your prize, :wink:

No one else use Ebay? :shakehead

Next question, coming this weekend!!

After last weeks question having most of you stumpted (cricket term) Here is another F1 component question :evillol: .

Question three.

On the page below, from Car magazine. There is an error :screwy:.

Find the error and correct as necessary.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7739/pa060128ew9.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa060128ew9.jpg)(clickable)

The "throttle cable shroud" is actually not that at all. What they have pictured is the steering column. Gordon holds it up in the very beginning of the second segment of "The Car's the Star" talking about the tremendously low weight of that and the steering shaft combined.

The two smaller pieces in the photo are the covers for the two stalks behind the steering wheel for lights and wipers that mount to the end of the column.

Here's pics of the smaller pieces courtest of Mr Hurst:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSCN2153s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSCN2154s.jpg

>8^)
ER

It took me quite a while to find any decent reference shots of the steering column. For the next person who gets their hands on an F1 with open access for photos, the entire area around and under the steering wheel is really lacking in photographic content. People take pics of the steering wheel itself all the time, but the other stuff seems to get overlooked, including by me.

Here was the best I could come up with. The first shot was courtesy of drewwtms from SEMA last year. :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_107618270-E.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/107618270-E.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_DSC03217_edit.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSC03217_edit.jpg)

Here's a wider shot showing the steering column and the throttle cable shroud together.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSC03237_edit.jpg

>8^)
ER

^^ :worshippy

Well done Erik,

Very well documented answer. But as you are the moderator of this forum and a dedicated F1 historian. You are disqualified from this competition :lol: :lol: :evillol:

So I guess you feel a bit :disappoin







Only joking, your prize is on its way :wink:

how bout out of a lotus carlton?

how bout out of a lotus carlton?

Question 2 has been answered. But if the lotus carlton is the same, post a pic!!

Question 2 has been answered. But if the lotus carlton is the same, post a pic!!

o i dont know if the lotus is the same...i just guessed. but if it's been answered i'm not gonna bother putting up a pic of it...nor doing all the research to try and find a pic of it.

I have a poor quality photo of the Lotus Carlton's interior - it appears the hazard switch is square and housed in a row of similarly sized switches in the upper center area of the dash.

Here's that picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/pic05pb.jpg

And another cool shot of the gauges. :naughty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/0119d_3.jpg

>8^)
ER

not impossible...the esprits is square now that i think about my uncles esprit

it should b sitting in the center of the consol...it it's the same placement as my uncles. i liked the carltons...378hp not bad for early 90's v8(when u consider that ferrari built the engine and they had only around 300hp coming out of the 348)

This weeks quiz question will test your automotive knowledge to the max.:evillol:

The car in the pic below has a connection with the McLaren F1.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8052/pa130130ce9.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa130130ce9.jpg)(clickable)

Question:- Explain the connection and tell me what the car is?

i know it...i've seen many pics. it just cant come up with the f'n name. this is gonna piss me off. i'll know it the minute someone says it.

The car is a Clan Crusader.

Sorry - could'nt resist - specialist subject McLaren F1!

I'll leave the other half of your question to someone else.

Good luck everyone!

It doesn't look like a Clan Crusader -
http://img184.imagevenue.com/loc169/th_61944_Clan_Crusader_122_169lo.jpg (http://img184.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61944_Clan_Crusader_122_169lo.jpg)
v
http://img190.imagevenue.com/loc470/th_61945_1111111-1_122_470lo.jpg (http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61945_1111111-1_122_470lo.jpg)

The car is a Clan Crusader.

Sorry - could'nt resist - specialist subject McLaren F1!

I'll leave the other half of your question to someone else.

Good luck everyone!

No :nono:

If you are the real Gordon Murray?, you should have checked out someones cv first, before letting them loose on the F1. :lol:

This weeks quiz question will test your automotive knowledge to the max.:evillol:

The car in the pic below has a connection with the McLaren F1.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8052/pa130130ce9.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa130130ce9.jpg)(clickable)

Question:- Explain the connection and tell me what the car is?Is it a Midas?, if so Mr H.Dermott used to build them before moving to Mclaren, now as head of customer relations. Mr B.

Is it a Midas?, if so Mr H.Dermott used to build them before moving to Mclaren, now as head of customer relations. Mr B.

No :nono:

Good try Mr Bridger. I like the connection, but wrong car and person.

I'm trying to be resourceful; I'll let you know if I am successfull........:naughty:

It's an AC Ecosse Signature

As for the link..........Peter Stevens styled both the F1 and the AC Ecosse Signature

You know... I thought that would be the person/connection but I didn't spend nearly enough time poking around looking for it. I knew when looking at the photo that I had never seen the car before, so that didn't help.

My other comment is "Wow - Mr Stevens sure has come a long way with his talents - from THAT to the McLaren F1." :lol2:

>8^)
ER

My other comment is "Wow - Mr Stevens sure has come a long way with his talents - from THAT to the McLaren F1." >8^)
ER
That's one BIG leap, Isn't it!! :lol:

Well done Greg, (you again :p )

YES, IT WAS A BIG LEAP.

But to be fair, Peter was rather restricted to what he could do with the shape of the body. Having a lot of the hard points set and using the windscreen and side glass from the AC ME 3000, its predecessor. Still the end result was , how should we put this, ----.:uhoh:

There was also somebody else you could link to both cars!! But no, we won,t go there.:iceslolan




I,ll have to sort you out a different prize.:wink:

This weeks quiz question,

The floor of the McLaren F1,s monocoque is formed from carbonfibre skinned aluminium honeycomb. Tell me the section thickness of the floor and to stop people guessing, also publish the article or source where you found this information.

"Machine Design" October 1989 I think. No longer have the article so don't remember the thickness

It can't be 1989, as that is way before the first Mclaren F1 was built - the clinic model was shown in Monaco at the end of May 1992, although the concept was started to be discussed after the Italian GP of 1988.......

EDITED for stupidity (again) :lol:

Uh... 2001? Is this a space odyssey? :grinno:

>8^)
ER

It can't be 1989, as that is way before the first Mclaren F1 was built - the clinic model was shown in Monaco at the end of May 2001, although the concept was started to be discussed after the Italian GP of 1998.......


If memory serves me correctly, McLaren did discuss cutting CFCR (carbon fiber carbon resin) in this issue. I believe they had been working utilizing the material for several years and at one point did some work for Ferrari using CFCR. But I don't have this issue or have access to it having lost my copy long ago.

Uh... 2001? Is this a space odyssey? :grinno:

>8^)
ER

OOPSEY! I was dealing with analysing and deciphering year 2001 accounts all day today, I think I have them on the brain :banghead: :grinno: :banghead:

Maybe another quiz question should be which year McLaren unveiled the F1 Clinic Model at the Monaco Sporting Club. :uhoh:

Wikipedia has it wrong as 28 May, 1991. It was really 1992.

http://www.mclarenautomotive.com/cars/f1_15_year.htm

XP1 was completed 8 months later and #002 was finished one year after that in December 1993.

>8^)
ER

147 views and only one pop at the answer.:p (nice try Gerd)

The answer is in the public domain, you just have to find it.:evillol:

Even Mr Bridger could answer this one, although he has an unfair advantage.:lol:

Sorry Guys you loose ;)

Its a Mk2 Astra Hazard light switch.

http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/b4/62/46_1_b.JPG

(The joys of ebay :) )

However, as you're probably aware the Rear Fog light switch on the Astra is nothing like the one on the F1.

But if you were to change the picture on the front of the switch it could possibly be used to turn on a rear fog.

Le Man has told me thats correct. Yes I was sad enough to put "Vauxhall Hazard switch" into eBay :( :D
Sorry, you did mistake! This switcher is from model Opel/Vauxhall Kadett. I'm sure for 100%, because my father have had this model and I remember this switcher. Example:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23364291bia5.jpg

I can't find better photo.

The Astra is newer model and it has other switcher:

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opelastrag199802my1.jpg

Generally, I was surprised that parts were derived from cheap's cars :eek:


Best regards, PaulPL

Sorry, you did mistake! This switcher is from model Opel/Vauxhall Kadett. I'm sure for 100%, because my father have had this model and I remember this switcher. Example:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23364291bia5.jpg

I can't find better photo.

The Astra is newer model and it has other switcher:

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opelastrag199802my1.jpg

Generally, I was surprised that parts were derived from cheap's cars :eek:


Best regards, PaulPL

Hi PaulPL,

Welcome to the forum,

Try a search in Wikipedia for Vauxhall astra MK2 (UK). You should find this model, the same as your fathers Kadett.

Your second pic is from a much later Astra.

Hello!

I didn't hear that in UK Vauxhall Astra is the same as Kadett :eek:.

Big thx for reply.


Best regards, PaulPL

So, nobody knows the answer to last weeks quiz question. :shakehead

Shame because the prize was a cutaway section from a damaged Gulf Davidoff 97 GTR rear wing, showing the carbon/aluminium honeycomb construction.:frown:...... :banghead:

The answer:- 10mm......From Racecar Engineering 1996 vol6 no1 (page29)


This weeks question,

In 1995, a women (yes that is correct) entered a round of the BPR series in an F1 GTR.

Give me her name and result.

Yeah, I had no clue on last week's question and my library is still in boxes due to a recent move, so no help there. I think I only own one copy of Racecar Engineering and it is not the issue you mention. I did figure that's where the answer would be found - it is such a great and specialized publication in that regard.

I have this week's answer. It's something I had tripped over before and found rather interesting. As I have already taken the prize once, I have no problem giving others a chance, but if no one gets it by tomorrow then I'll chime in. :)

>8^)
ER

I spent hours trawling carbon fibre internet sites and monocoque internet sites and it was in a bloody bookl!:banghead: ;)

I don't know this weeks answer off the top of my head - I think it's one of 2, it's just trying to refine it more than that - so back I go, into the Internet wilderness :) The obvious, but wrong, answer would be Lindsay Owen-Jones ;)

This weeks question...Give me her name and result.

I'm assuming it was only one race?

I think i got it...I'm going with Tomiko Yoshikawa (007R, Giroix Racing Team) and it was a DNF (Did Not Finish) at Suzuka, according to http://wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/bpr/bpr1995.html.

If thats not correct, the other driver that only raced once was Jun Harada (005R, BBA) and finished 11th. (My 2nd choice)

However, http://www.classicscars.com/chassis/mclaren.htm has slightly conflicting information. It says that Yoshikawa and Harada raced in the same car, 005R, which seems less likely. Also it says one chassis DNF and another RTD (retired?).

The more i search the more I'm leaning towards Tomiko Yoshikawa.

^^those were my 2, but trying to refine it to just one is relatively difficult. I guessed almost straight away it would be a driver in one of the Asian / Japanese races, otherwise I would have known it (I hope...)

yea...I searched for names that came up only once. After that, took the name and googled it with "woman driver" and other combinations. that got me to http://www.menstuff.org/womenracers/womenracerslist.html...Yoshikawa, Tomiko, Japan - Raced sportscrs in Europe and Japan in the early 90s for several teams. Ran Le Mans in 1992-94. Also competed in single-seaters up to Formula 3 in Japan.

This weeks question,

In 1995, a women (yes that is correct) entered a round of the BPR series in an F1 GTR.

Give me her name and result.[/QUOTE]


Tomiko Yoshikawa
DNF
1000km race at Suzuka
007R Giroix Racing Team (Jacadi)

We have a winner, Erik.........He sent me the answer via a PM at 7.11pm.

A women racing a GTR....:yikes: (Tomiko was also in 05R at Suzuka in 97,must be handy behind the wheel!!)


But to be fair, Erik did say he will pass, on this prize. Not sure if there was some indecisive answering or editing going on, Pimp349. Which let Gerd in to answer correctly as well.



So, to not cause any animosity between anybody. I shall send all three of you the same prize.:)

This weeks quiz question,

The best prize yet, is up for grabs this week, so you will have to work hard for it.

Lets have another component question :evillol:

Pictured below is the light switch for the engine bay lights. The same unit, is used for both doors to operate the interior lights.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3224/48ao2.th.png (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48ao2.png)(clickable)

Question:- Name the OEM manufacture and which vehicle it is used on. Confirm your answer with pictorial evidence.

:grinyes: I can just spend the next 7 days searching 'nipple' on google :grinyes:

wait, do u mean there is another car that these buttons are used on. cause my stealth has a similar button for the interior lights...in fact so did my neon, and my porsche and my older porsche. all cars that i know of have lil "nipples" for interior and engine bay lighting

^^ my old Ford, BMW and Citroen all had nipples in the same way as the Mclaren, but not the same style and look of the Mclaren

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/6/8/5/6/3/webimg/55744012_tp.jpg

BMW e series

Question:- Name the OEM manufacture and which vehicle it is used on. Confirm your answer with pictorial evidence.[/QUOTE]

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/6/8/5/6/3/webimg/55744012_tp.jpg

BMW e series

Question:- Name the OEM manufacture and which vehicle it is used on. Confirm your answer with pictorial evidence.[/quote]

No :nono:

You have to consider, that they have used different types of that switch as you can see here:

http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc972/th_78574_P1000779_122_972lo.JPG (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78574_P1000779_122_972lo.JPG)

Roger

You have to consider, that they have used different types of that switch as you can see here:

http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc972/th_78574_P1000779_122_972lo.JPG (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78574_P1000779_122_972lo.JPG)

Roger

Thats the same type as in my pic Roger,

Although McLaren did use a proximity type light switch on #065 (and also on a few other, late run out chassis,s)

Thats the same type as in my pic Roger,

Although McLaren did use a proximity type light switch on #065 (and also on a few other, late run out chassis,s)

Martin, do you really think it is the same switch - in my eyes it has a different shape:

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc637/th_30447_P1000779_122_637lo.JPG (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30447_P1000779_122_637lo.JPG)

Roger's one looks like having a more tapered end to it compared to the rounder end of Martin's and Roger's seems to be more 'depressed' than Martin's, but apart from that I can't see much difference between them

Martin, do you really think it is the same switch - in my eyes it has a different shape:

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc637/th_30447_P1000779_122_637lo.JPG (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30447_P1000779_122_637lo.JPG)

I see what you mean now Roger,

If you know the OEM of that version, post your answer.:)

all i've got to say...where do u guys get these answers?

i have no idea where to look.

I see what you mean now Roger,

If you know the OEM of that version, post your answer.:)


The second picture looks like a late model Lamborghini switch

http://www.lambostuff.com/product/big_DoorPinSwitch.jpg

^^ Must mean there is an Audi connection somewhere.....

First Leman photo

Audi A4 S4 A6 96-01 97 98

made by VEMO

rear door

http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/c0/4b/35_1_b.JPG
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rear-Door-Sensor-Pin-Switch-Audi-A4-S4-A6-96-01-97-98_W0QQitemZ250009283154QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting

:thumbsup: Glad I could help (if only a little bit) :)

First Leman photo

Audi A4 S4 A6 96-01 97 98

made by VEMO

rear door

http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/c0/4b/35_1_b.JPG
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rear-Door-Sensor-Pin-Switch-Audi-A4-S4-A6-96-01-97-98_W0QQitemZ250009283154QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting


We have a winner.

Well done Gerd,:thumbsup:

You have a PM.



Vectorspecialist, Finding the answers is easy, when you know where to look.:wink:

To test your intimate knowledge on the F1 by sight alone, this weeks quiz question will put you to the test.

The four mirror pics below, were all taken with the same camera (clue).

1.http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8156/44555039tj3.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44555039tj3.jpg) 2.http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9467/59055763nj4.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59055763nj4.jpg) 3.http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5351/99285290cl3.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99285290cl3.jpg) 4.http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7038/32169327xv8.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32169327xv8.jpg)

Question:- Give me the chassis # of all four cars.

XP1lM, XP5, #046, #047

?

I agree with Greg's answers on the first three - XP1LM, XP5 (though that leaves me curious as to when/where it was taken) and #046. The last car however appears to be taken from a video, so I could imagine the image was made by pointing your camera at a monitor or TV screen. My guess will be #065 in the Park Lane showroom, but I don't say that with any amount of certainty.

>8^)
ER

I guessed at =047 as it seems to be a close up [hence the poor res] of part of a shot of when #047 was at Goodwood FOS this year, as it was sitting on the chequerboard metal base -
http://img44.imagevenue.com/loc817/th_68892_IMG_0371_122_817lo.jpg (http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68892_IMG_0371_122_817lo.jpg)
And I think all the pics were taken by you or your brother(?) - at least 2 of them
#046 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4948720&postcount=23) - as the reflection seems to show a row of cars and some parking bays
#047 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4817818&postcount=46) for reasons stated above

I'm guessing that due to the quality of the cars in the pictures you have shown us a glimpse at Le Man that you also have seen XP1LM and XP5 over the years :worshippy

XP1lM, XP5, #046, #047

?

Sorry Greg,

No :nono: (not the exact line up I,m looking for)

Interesting thoughts from both you and Erik.

Please try again.

OK -
XP1LM due to the amount of lights shown in the reflection on the mirror, probably taken at the London Motorshow
56XPGT - seeing as you saw it at Silverstone in '97
and I'm sticking with #046 and #047 due to reasons stated before

The green one is 051

I'm also now thinking the first pic could be #16R (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4302832&postcount=139) - that would tie in with the clue of all being taken with the same camera - all the AF.com links I have posted have pics taken by Le Man and all link up with the colour of the wing mirrors

So now, if my guess re the XPGT is incorrect, I believe they are #16R, XP5, #046 and #047

MM - I don't think Le Man has ever stated he has seen / taken a pic of #051, not on AF.com anyway.......

XPGT has a very different mirror mount.

>8^)
ER

XPGT has a very different mirror mount.
>8^)
ER
:banghead: Of course, to see round the longer tail an extended arm holds the mirror, so I go back to XP5

Greg , Chris and Erik.

No :nono:

Clue:- Chris was with me, when I took one of the pics.:wink:

(not the exact line up I,m looking for)

So some of my initial guess was correct
Greg , Chris and Erik.
No :nono:
Clue:- Chris was with me, when I took one of the pics.:wink:
Which rules out XP56GT and #051 for the green one, leaving XP5 - unless you saw #073 early on

I hope I am correct with the 2 silver ones, so that leaves the first one -
#11R?

No :nono:

Greg, you are close to getting all four, the trick is, to get all of them correct.:evillol:

Well if i was there then the first pic is definatley XPLM

:)

So, if there was a trick question in the line up, this is it :evillol:

When you have the great minds of the worlds top F1 historians baffled, one can then assume that nobody else will get the answer either.:rolleyes:

Sometimes, you cannot see the wood from the trees. The clearest pic is the most obvious problem.:rofl:

With Chris confirming XP1LM and yes Greg, you are correct on #046 and #047.

So come on guys, whats the green mirror from?

#023? [listed as BRG on qv500], we have guessed at xp5, #051 and #073 - as far as I know those are the only green ones, be it original or repaint

#023? :loser:

Come on Greg, it,s a trick question. (Think out of the box)

Its not a McLaren is it? Is it an XJ220?

or a VW Corrado? Thogh if it's not a Mclaren I have no idea as to the chassis #

I can't see the pic but if it's a general mirror then I'm with hurstg Corrado.
Unless its on of the rarer variants ie Z1, Citroen summat or tother lol.

it's not a mclaren mirror...it's attached to the A pilar, the rest arent. so maybe like a mclaren slr

tho 2 things with what i said, i'm not that great with the f1, i'm trying to learn. and i dont think they make green slr's.

my only other guess...whatever car it is that u own

I take back my XJ220 guess. I'm 99% sure its not cause i don't think its the right mirror. I can't really tell tho

2.http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9467/59055763nj4.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59055763nj4.jpg)

I figured out the trick, but still have the question to contend with... :uhoh:

There's a McLaren in that photo, but it's not the car the mirror is attached to and it's highly unlikely that it is green. If you look extremely closely at the photo you will see that a McLaren F1 is visible in the reflection on the mirror with the near side door open. The car appears silver to me, but given the green color of the mirror it is very hard to be certain.

I'm going to throw out a guess that the mystery McLaren is chassis #040 just because of it's frequency of use. However, I would once again not be surprised if I am incorrect.

Fun little game here though - wish I had more time to play. :)

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Chris - XJ220's were one of the many supercars of that area to use the mirrors sourced from Citroen that were also featured on the first few F1s.

>8^)
ER

I've been trying for a while to decipher what that reflection was - I ended up with just a car with a roofbox on it / ladders - great work Erik; If that is the case, then my guess would be #020 due to it's frequency of use and the fact I've seen it in a field before (albeit between motorhomes) or #046 again, as I last saw it at the Goodwood Revival car park a few years ago

or a VW Corrado? Thogh if it's not a Mclaren I have no idea as to the chassis #

Phew :rolleyes: ...at last we have a winner.(Greg again!!)

I guess you deserve a really good prize, something you have not seen before. More for perseverance, than anythink else.:tongue:... I,ll send your prize over the weekend.

As you guys have got stuck into the component questions in this quiz, I thought I,d add a little twist into the conundrum.:evillol:

Here,s the full pic.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3065/p9170008uk4.th.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p9170008uk4.jpg)(clickable)

As for the reflection in the mirror, Your minds are playing tricks on you guys. Thats definitely not a McLaren parked next to the Corrado (honest).

Your question was rather misleading then asking for a chassis number of all four cars, don't you think? That line serves to imply they were all F1s. :sly:

Anyway, Greg doesn't win this round till he produces the chassis number (aka: VIN) of said VW Corrado. :lol2:

>8^)
ER

Your question was rather misleading then asking for a chassis number of all four cars, don't you think? That line serves to imply they were all F1s. :sly:

Anyway, Greg doesn't win this round till he produces the chassis number (aka: VIN) of said VW Corrado. :lol2:

>8^)
ER

No Erik, not really when you read the very first line of the question post, the initial answer,s were to easy. Even your own curiosity, put you to doubting the green mirror. The reflection is rather interesting though, don,t you think?

With the prize that I,m giving out this week, Greg will probably supply every VIN of all green Corrado,s VW have ever made :iceslolan

Hi Le Man - the 1st line does point you in the direction of F1 knowledge by sight alone, but the 3rd line points you in the direction of the chassis #; I know / can find out the chassis #'s for most Mclarens, but I'm not too hot on the old VW's ;)

Can't wait for the next question!!!

It's your game and you make the rules, but I think your question should have been less compelling - something along the lines of:

Question:- Identify all four cars pictured below.

Perhaps you think that would have made the trick too obvious? I don't...

Again, you asked for chassis numbers of the four photos and only got three. :uhoh: :p

>8^)
ER

It's your game and you make the rules, but I think your question should have been less compelling - something along the lines of:

Question:- Identify all four cars pictured below.

Perhaps you think that would have made the trick too obvious? I don't...

Again, you asked for chassis numbers of the four photos and only got three. :uhoh: :p

>8^)
ER

Yes, you are correct Erik, I did ask for the four chassis #, but thinking that most of you would spot the rogue picture easily. I was awaiting for the answers as follows.
1) XP1 LM
2) This is not a McLaren F1 pictured, but a VW Corrado. So no chassis #.
3) #046
4) #047

Sometimes, we see only what we want to see, or are lead to believe what we are looking at, is the subject matter that is of the moment. Is this not, how the great illusionists and magicians work. Also we sometimes read printed matter, which we take as the truth, but then at a later date someone displays the inaccuracy of the the original statement. To the truth telling persons disbelief, everybody will not listen to him.

As for seeing an F1 in the mirror reflection is spooky, because even now when I look at the pic (and when I posted it) I see what looks like an F1. Although in a slightly different format to you, to me its parked with its front to the left of pic, with its engine cover open and what can be clearly seen as the door duct (lower left) This is a strange phenomenon, because I can assure you there was no F1,s present that day, at the local car show I attended, when the pic was taken.

This quiz is supposed to be a lighthearted weelkly interlude to test people,s F1 knowledge and to expand the knowledge of others. Please, and this goes to everybody, do not take this quiz too seriously, however competitive you are by nature.
Or is it because, there are some really good prizes up for grabs :popcorn:

On to this weeks question.

Give me the height of the McLaren F1, with the passenger doors fully open
(that is from floor level, to the top of the door edge)
Also provide conformation of this measurement, by posting the article. you found it printed in.

GTR or roadgoing? :) ;) :)

Do I really need the scan? What if I was just to send someone out to their garage and have them measure? :naughty:

>8^)
ER

GTR or roadgoing? :) ;) :)

In your case, all variants :lol:

Do I really need the scan? What if I was just to send someone out to their garage and have them measure? :naughty:

>8^)
ER

OK, As long as you get a pic of them measuring their F1 :p

2113mm

http://www.mclarencars.com/news/Autocar_December_F1.pdf

Standard F1 road car




On to this weeks question.

Give me the height of the McLaren F1, with the passenger doors fully open
(that is from floor level, to the top of the door edge)
Also provide conformation of this measurement, by posting the article. you found it printed in.[/QUOTE]

(page 11 of 19)

I presume you mean the 1140mm quoted + the 973mm also quoted; why not the 985mm quoted?

(page 11 of 19)

I presume you mean the 1140mm quoted + the 973mm also quoted; why not the 985mm quoted?


I'm going to go with both, 2125 and 2113. I have my reasons for the first number but the second may be correct as well.

I'm going to go with both, 2125 and 2113. I have my reasons for the first number but the second may be correct as well.

No :nono:

The 973mm and 985mm are the seat base to headlining measurments, so adding them to the car height is not the answer I,m looking for.

But you are in the ball park with those totals.

Give me the height of the McLaren F1, with the passenger doors fully open
(that is from floor level, to the top of the door edge)
Also provide conformation of this measurement, by posting the article. you found it printed in

Interesting that nobody has answered this question, so I shall keep it running for this week as well.

Perhaps it might be easier for some, to measure an actual car :) .

Give me the height of the McLaren F1, with the passenger doors fully open
(that is from floor level, to the top of the door edge)
Also provide conformation of this measurement, by posting the article. you found it printed in
Seem's its too tough - I'm guessing it'll be in an issue of Racecar
Perhaps it might be easier for some, to measure an actual car :) .
Not this week, maybe next, certainly soon.....:);):)

So, no new question this week? We normally have it by now :(

I shall leave the last question open. You will be doing well, if you get to measure someones F1 Greg, Not unless Erik beats you to it. :wink:

On to this weeks Question,

Tell me the calculated top speed of a 97 F1 GTR, set up for the Mulsanne straight at Leman.

317km/h / 196.94mph - It was after the chicanes [ L'Arche and La Florendiere] were added to the Mulsanne (1990?), lessening the potential for a higher top speed (approx. 230mph+ for the old Group C cars pre-chicanes)

317km/h / 196.94mph - It was after the chicanes [ L'Arche and La Florendiere] were added to the Mulsanne (1990?), lessening the potential for a higher top speed (approx. 230mph+ for the old Group C cars pre-chicanes)

Very close Greg, is that a speed trap figure, you have answered with?

Very close Greg, is that a speed trap figure, you have answered with?I believe it is

No new question this week? ;)

No new question this week? ;)

I,ll leave the door open height, question open.... someone will answer that soon :wink:

The answer to the 97GTR calculated top speed is:- 199.7 MPH (As per the 97 GTR engineers manual)
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This weeks question,

Does the F1 LM have a modem link to the factory for servicing.

If so supply a pic, of its installation on the LM.

Hmmm, seems the interest has faded in the quiz. Shame really, I was saving some really good prizes for this week, leading up to the festive break.

Merry xmas and a happy new year everybody.

i wanna guess and say it does, but i'm not gonna find a pic

I wouldn't say it has faded - there has been very little activity on this site so far this week; your last question was also a toughy - I looked through all my LM pics and couldn' find one with a decent shot of the compartment where the modem would lik up to [if it has one].

This is the closest I've got (I think I remember seeing it on the near side (UK) of #013....)
http://img201.imagevenue.com/loc475/th_85748_10867632-L_122_475lo.jpg (http://img201.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85748_10867632-L_122_475lo.jpg)

Hmm,

I say it has not the link :)

Phil

The LMs defintely do not have the modem port in the same location where the standard F1s do. Here's a close up shot of that spot on the car and a second one of the entire panel courtesy of our friend drewwtms and as you can see the LM only has the socket for the trickle charger. The modem connector and it's activation button are both missing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_3522925-O.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/3522925-O.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_3522903-O.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/3522903-O.jpg)

I can't claim to know whether they tucked away in a different location, but given this photographic evidence of the most likely place one would find it, I'm going to guess that the LMs do not have the modem link at all. I never mind being proven wrong when guessing, as that will mean that I'd get to learn something new. ;)

>8^)
ER

The LMs defintely do not have the modem port in the same location where the standard F1s do. Here's a close up shot of that spot on the car and a second one of the entire panel courtesy of our friend drewwtms and as you can see the LM only has the socket for the trickle charger. The modem connector and it's activation button are both missing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_3522925-O.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/3522925-O.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_3522903-O.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/3522903-O.jpg)

I can't claim to know whether they tucked away in a different location, but given this photographic evidence of the most likely place one would find it, I'm going to guess that the LMs do not have the modem link at all. I never mind being proven wrong when guessing, as that will mean that I'd get to learn something new. ;)

>8^)
ER

We have a winner, well done Erik,

According to McLarens technical data, the LM was not fitted with a modem link. (unless someone can prove otherwise) The LM being like a GTR by having only engine ECU,s. Unlike the road F1 which has engine and chassis ECU,s.

I shall send you a interesting prize, asap.

As an interesting side note, while on the subject of the modem link. I remember watching a program on BBC with Quentin Wilson and Katie Humble on car technology. They had XP5 in Birmingham and had a technician in Woking operate the windscreen wiper and turn the headlights on via the modem link.

Hello,

I don't find pics but I had the true answer. Is it possible to have a little prize Le Man ?

Tomorrow it's christmas :)

thanks
Phil

Hello,

I don't find pics but I had the true answer. Is it possible to have a little prize Le Man ?

Tomorrow it's christmas :)

thanks
Phil

Yes Phil,

you may have a prize, but only after you have posted your report and pictures of seeing #24R at Magny Cours. Many thanks in advance.

Hello Le Man,

you are true, I have to do this and I plan to do this tomorrow.

Phil

Hmm,

I have a question but don't know the answer for sure :

http://spots.autogespot.com/files/23_12_2007/c214748364823122007202955_1.jpg

Do you know this pic ? It was taken in London. I think it is #046 and the enzo must be silver ;)

Phil

I've had that pic since this morning and have been playing around with the light levels [I'm a beginner to this Paintshop malarkey so I haven't got it sorted as yet........:)] to get a definite ID on it - although your reasoning that the Enzo could be a Silver one would make it chassis #046! :cheers:

Give me the height of the McLaren F1, with the passenger doors fully open
(that is from floor level, to the top of the door edge)
Also provide conformation of this measurement, by posting the article. you found it printed in

Interesting that nobody has answered this question, so I shall keep it running for this week as well.

Perhaps it might be easier for some, to measure an actual car :) .
Although I did not have an actual measuring device with me, I was next to an open F1 today and noticed that it was quite close to my size. I'm 191cm tall with shoes with a 2 1/2 centimeter sole. I can't remember if it was taller or shorter than me, but it was by 3 or so cm, so I'm gonna submit 2 answers, hopefully one is correct.

1905mm or 1960mm.

Even if it's wrong, do I get something for actually thinking of this while standing next to a McLaren? :D

Although I did not have an actual measuring device with me, I was next to an open F1 today and noticed that it was quite close to my size. I'm 191cm tall with shoes with a 2 1/2 centimeter sole. I can't remember if it was taller or shorter than me, but it was by 3 or so cm, so I'm gonna submit 2 answers, hopefully one is correct.

Hi Daan,
Is this the sort of answer we get from someone hanging from the soul,s of his feet on the other side of the planet!!:aus: :lol: (I do like your ingenuity btw)

1905mm or 1960mm.

?hmm, A little bit out I,m afraid.

Even if it's wrong, do I get something for actually thinking of this while standing next to a McLaren? :D

Yes, but only after you have posted some more of your excellent pics of #009 :cheers: (The prize is definitely worth the effort)