Hey guys!

For those of you that have heard about my turbo project or for those of you who doesn't care, i just recieved my HPTuners and my car is going to be turbocharged this upcoming weekend, which is in 4 days!!!

Im going to taken things out and put the turbo in myself with my friend's help of cutting intercooler pipings and welding exhaust...

So far i've got:

-Turbonetics T3 Turbo (Internally Gated)
-HKS SSQV BOV
-JDM Intercooler
-Ebay Ecotec Turbo Exhaust Manifold
-Innovate LC-1 Wideband with XD-16 Gauge
-Bosch Green Tops 440cc Fuel Injectors
-Bosch EV1 Fuel Injector Connectors
-NGK 1-Step Colder Spark Plugs
-2.5" Black Powder Coated Aluminum Piping with Silicon Couplers and Stainless Steel Clamps
-3" Turbo-Back Exhaust, no cat, no mufflers, straight out to a dual exhaust with a dual 3" tip on each side
-Stainless Steel Braided feed and return oil lines
-Ecotec m12 NPT Oil Fittings
-GlowShift Boost Gauge and Oil Pressure Gauge
-HPTuners!!!

Thats about all i got and i believe that should be all i need for this turbo setup to run perfectly... i just cant wait till saturday and i should have pictures and videos up when im done installing everything...

Saturday all day will be taking out everything needed to be taken out, then install everything in along with cutting Intercooler pipings and clamp them in... Complete the Oil feed and return and hook up the oil pressure gauge and the boost gauge... Put the injectors in, put the spark plugs in, connect the injectors with the bosch connectors and weld the wires... Put the manifold in, the turbo, the intercooler, and the hks bov.

Sunday i will make the downpipe and weld everything from downpipe all the way to the back 3" and into a "Y" and make a dual exhaust with a dual tip on each end... tips are going to be 3" each to make sure no restriction...

Monday will be tuning day, me and my friend will work on starting up the car, tuning, stoich a/f ratio, should be fun... gonna take forever tho omg... if can finish tuning in one day, i will take it to test drive, and more tuning, and test drive... and if everything is good, im gonna be outta the shop and i have a completed turbo project! :grinyes: Cant wait!!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Wish me luck guys!!!

Thanks for listening...

good luck with all that... :D

btw you're not aiming for stoich are you?

you can get so much more power out of your car with boost if you aim for 11.8 :)

yeah i think that 14.7:1 might be a tad lean.....aim for 12's and you'll be fine.

good luck man!
hope everything works out for you and you are pleased.

God help us all......but good luck. sounds like u got everything in order finally

Yeah i thought i pretty much got everything i needed...

Im probably gonna get a manual boost controller and turn the boost up to 10 PSI from 7 which is what the wastegate is set for... And go a little rich like 12's and i should be fine... omg i cant wait...

Do you think i'll be able to get about 250 horses with 7 psi and 280 with 10 psi?

if you dont like ur head gasket, then sure. why not..... it will only be a matter of time before something goes BOOM on a stock motor @ 10psi

I got a Cometic Head gasket for turbo applications...

Skunk over at the org is running 15psi and over 350 whp on stock internal...

damn nice now i just gotta save my money end get my shit in gear. I plan on having my cavy turboed by next summer.BTW good luck hpoe it all runs smoothly.

what are you going to do w/ the stock MAF sensor?? Thats going to limit you at some point....

what are you going to do w/ the stock MAF sensor?? Thats going to limit you at some point....

We don't have a MAF...

With HP we can fake a 2 bar MAP sensor.

We don't have a MAF...

With HP we can fake a 2 bar MAP sensor.


Good....MAF sensors are junk and its good to hear you dont have to deal w/ that bs

Yup we are lucky to not have a MAF lol...

We have a 1 bar MAP sensor and we can fake a 2 bar... i dont exactly know what i suppose to do to tune my car...

Classicrocjunkie can you help me out please?

it's easy to fake a 2 bar, I did it :)

there's articles all over the org, and you can go to hpt.com and go to their forums and read all about it :)....

Oh DERK!!!

What did you do when you had your turbo in? What did you HAVE to do? like what did you need to edit? is it all you need to do is edit the fuel constant or something?

My dude did it for me, I just watched and so oh look at the pretty graphs, lol.

I know he changed PE tables, faked the 2 bar, changed fuel injetor constant.. raised speed limiter/rev limited... changed idle speed... and....some other stuff I have no clue how to, don't ask lol.

LoL... yeah oh look at the pretty graphs omg...

Im pretty sure thats what i need to do... thanks Derk

If you have no idea on how to tune your car then i would hire someone else to do it rather than trying it yourself. Unless you like blowing shit up then go for it.

It is not entirely hard but there is alot of knowledge behind it. also each car is kid of different depending oh how "you" drive and many other factors

K guys, right now we are doing the oil feed and returns... just thought i would update my status... I have some pictures but i wont be able to post them up till later..

I kinda tap the hole on the oil pan little too high... yikes..

Soooo, update? I wanan see videos of you flying around and shit lol.

Soooo, update? I wanan see videos of you flying around and shit lol.

Haha... yeah im trying to tune right now, its fun but i dont really know what to do lol.. :lol2:

Gonna have pictures and videos up pretty soon so i can make Schister eat his words lol...

ouch, lol... it's so my turbo, give it back, lol.

The turbo spooled up REALLY fast, cant wait till i get behind the wheel :D

Haha... yeah im trying to tune right now, its fun but i dont really know what to do lol.. :lol2:

Gonna have pictures and videos up pretty soon so i can make Schister eat his words lol...

Your tuning your car and you don't know what to do?

Haha... yeah im trying to tune right now, its fun but i dont really know what to do lol.. :lol2:

Gonna have pictures and videos up pretty soon so i can make Schister eat his words lol...


Well if you're attempting to tune your own car and dont know what to do...i think i might be hungry for a while. Also, i didnt say it cant be done, but you're going to have to be conservative with this setup or you'll end up as another person without and engine forced to sell the turbo setup in order to get it running again. Good luck and i hope you get things running well...

ouch...

Im getting there on the tuning part...

Im getting there on the tuning part...

Good to hear...have fun but please dont drive like an asshole once you finish this project. Everyone wonders how i've never gotten a ticket in my car...its called restraint and self control...be sure you have it before jumping behind the wheel of decentlyl fast car

Good to hear...have fun but please dont drive like an asshole once you finish this project. Everyone wonders how i've never gotten a ticket in my car...its called restraint and self control...be sure you have it before jumping behind the wheel of decentlyl fast car

You make me feel so much better by hearing that from you :D

Yeah my idle is at like 17-18 and when i accelerate in vacume, its 12 but once boost comes up, my AFR go to like 15... :banghead:

raise your injector constant.... it should make it like... 15 idle, 11 accel, 13 boost.... you should get close to that if you just raise it a bit.. that would probably work, then you can just smooth out the pe tables. Just 11 is a too rich, but think about how long you're actually in that low accelerating stage with no boost...

its best for you to stay in the 12.2-12.6 range when under hard load...timing aside, thats about the safest AF you can run while still making good power. Dont mess around with timing until you know what you;re doing or find someone who does...

i took out the stock 02 sensors in my exhaust manifold. should i put them back in? people on the org saids to put at least the one that was in the manifold back in... but my mechanics saids i dont really have to...

I only have my wideband and things are fine for me, aside from my stupid oil line problem.

I only have my wideband and things are fine for me, aside from my stupid oil line problem.

Yeah i only have my wideband too, but everyone been telling me to put at least the first one that was in the manifold back in so the computer wont be in LIMP mode and dont waste as much gas...

So i will try and put it back in but my downpipe is a pretty tight fit so i might not be able to do it...

wait.. so you mean having 2 o2 sensors... one being wide band and one being narrowband.... both in the manifold??

your wideband has to be 8-12 inches away from your turbo... btw...lol

wait.. so you mean having 2 o2 sensors... one being wide band and one being narrowband.... both in the manifold??

your wideband has to be 8-12 inches away from your turbo... btw...lol

Yea, one is the innovate wideband and the other is the stock 02 sensor, the one that i have to put back in...

i wish i was rich and lived in a hater free zone at 17....


you definitely don't live in maryland/dc/metropolitan VA

Nope, i live on the Big Island of Hawaii, most people here are nice and theres no emissions :D

i took out the stock 02 sensors in my exhaust manifold. should i put them back in? people on the org saids to put at least the one that was in the manifold back in... but my mechanics saids i dont really have to...

Please sell your car.

Please sell your car.


lol :cwm27:

lol :cwm27:

lol

Please sell your car.

... this can become a fun thread, pending if i want to add my $.02 to that statement. Guess i'll see how things pan out and my mood.

:popcorn:

Btw.... lefix when you blow up your car, lemme know. I need some parts off that car of yours. ;)

... this can become a fun thread, pending if i want to add my $.02 to that statement. Guess i'll see how things pan out and my mood.

:popcorn:

Btw.... lefix when you blow up your car, lemme know. I need some parts off that car of yours. ;)

Add it.

So everyone thinks im gonna blow up my car huh?

Well, my car is running rich and it never go pass 14's and i really dont think it will be messed up...

1991tercel im sorry that you own a 18 year old car that sucks... but you dont need to be an asshole just because im boosted

... this can become a fun thread, pending if i want to add my $.02 to that statement. Guess i'll see how things pan out and my mood.

:popcorn:

Btw.... lefix when you blow up your car, lemme know. I need some parts off that car of yours. ;)

I have some parts already like the stock header, exhaust, stock mufflers, magnaflow mufflers... What do you need?

im guessing, this is just a guess here now, but im guessing he doesnt need anything stock

Main Headlight Wiring harness
Air Bag Module


... For starters. These are 2 things being a pain in my ass to locate and purchase.

hey Felix, explain to me how you're tuning this car...you said it doesnt go past 14:1 AF but when is that? If you're running that lean in boost or under load, you're going to have problems. If thats just during part throttle, then no big deal...

As you probably know, i dont care that youre boosted, i hope it doesnt blow up and i really want to help you keep it in 1 piece...

So everyone thinks im gonna blow up my car huh?

Well, my car is running rich and it never go pass 14's and i really dont think it will be messed up...

1991tercel im sorry that you own a 18 year old car that sucks... but you dont need to be an asshole just because im boosted

Glad you can count too

Lets see it is 2007 the tercel that you are calling out is a 1991

2007-1991 = 16

Also my 16 year old car runs just fine. you just assume that is my only car. I am not an asshole because you are boosted. I am an asshole because you are a fucking moron. You will learn though. Let me know when you blow it up though. I will be glad to tell you what you are doing wrong

wow i cant believe ur still working on this car man...that is crazy...HOWS EVERYONE BEEN?

Lefix, dont listen 2 anyone, keep pushin them numbers, im pushin 20 and people say il blow my shit up 2...its been 3 months and i havnt had a problem. I also have a MapClamp and the SAFC-II in tho and i dont know how to tune...i just have Extreme Motorsport do it for me with no problems.

wow i cant believe ur still working on this car man...that is crazy...HOWS EVERYONE BEEN?

Lefix, dont listen 2 anyone, keep pushin them numbers, im pushin 20 and people say il blow my shit up 2...its been 3 months and i havnt had a problem. I also have a MapClamp and the SAFC-II in tho

the turbo on your SRT is too small to blow anything up

the turbo on your SRT is too small to blow anything up

It's possible. :iceslolan

hey Felix, explain to me how you're tuning this car...you said it doesnt go past 14:1 AF but when is that? If you're running that lean in boost or under load, you're going to have problems. If thats just during part throttle, then no big deal...

As you probably know, i dont care that youre boosted, i hope it doesnt blow up and i really want to help you keep it in 1 piece...

Right now, i dont even have my stock 02 sensor back in, so i have to re-tune everything after i put that back in... but for now, i am using HPTuner to tune it...

I edit the VE tables and make my car run rich according to my wideband...

It is about 11 during idle, 10-11 during part throttle, and 11-12 during boost from 0-5 PSI and around 6-7 it goes to like 13... i never did a WOT yet because i havent tuned my car completely...

im basically changing the tables in the tuning software according to the wideband AFR numbers i get during different RPM's when i drive it...

You car will run different with the o2 sensor in. You can run w/o bank 2 o2 sensor, you would just have to set up the computer to do so. But running without bank 1 o2 will make your car run a bit different.

Or just use an O2 simulator made my Casper electronics. Jegs use to carry em.

... surprised no one has mentioned that yet.

Or just use an O2 simulator made my Casper electronics. Jegs use to carry em.

... surprised no one has mentioned that yet.

The "work" but I have still seen them throw codes. They still make them?
Also if you have the hptuners then you are golden

heres something you guys need to understand about the 02 sensor with a piggy back...once Felix gets the car tuned to the point he likes it, the 02 sensor is going to read off the new map created on the HP Tuners software. If the 02 notices that it needs an adjustment (generally due to a temp change or something that mildly changes the AF ratio) it will change it. The 02 only works on part throttle. Once part throttle is dialed in, the 02 can only regulate it slightly...full throttle is completely independent of the 02...therefore it should run the same with or without the 02. Not to mention, you can disengage it with your HP Tuners software

...Not to mention, you can disengage it with your HP Tuners software

First thing I did when we hooked up HPT was took off that FUCKING ORANGE LIGHT that comes back EVERYTIME after I fuel up lol. Stupid GM engineers...

2nd thing was to correct any error codes... 3 of which, I believe... were the AIT and the 2 o2's... Also fed the wideband into it...

I love HPT...

So i really dont need to put the stock 02 back in?

Hey Derk, how did you disable to 02 sensor and the check engine light? I took out BOTH stock 02 sensors, one in the stock manifold and one in the cat, Do i need to put them back?

I was gonna buy a bung and have my shop put my first stock 02 back in tomorrow, do i really need to do it? If it does ANY good to put it back in, i will put it back in...

Thanks guys for helping :D

put your front o2 sensor back in.

Umm.. I think it's under like...Error codes, or something like that. I can't remember. I was never the one doing it, I was the one watching it.

you dont have to but you should keep your first 02 sensor and IAT sensor...it'll just make your car run better overall

I see, sounds good, im gonna buy a bung and have my shop put the stock 02 sensor back in... Whats the IAT sensor?

Is that the sensor that is in the intake?

intake air temperature sensor, and yes

now you're going to need a new sig lefix..

I know lol... can't wait until i go down to the drags and see what i can run...

14.4 is my guess....

I hope i can do better than a 14.4, all those time and money into the car...

can't wait until i go down to the drags and see what i can run...
ditto, im sure we all have been waiting for that day
you mention "all the time and money put into this car" you gotta remember its just a sunfire, not a sports car, its not designed for performance, GM was not thinking 14 second quarter miles when they designed this car, im not saying its not possible, its completely possible, you most likely will make it into the 14 second range, but just dont be tooo let down if your expectations arent met right away

well good luck...i hope you prove me wrong

i give him an extra .1 sec... 14.3.

First run = 15.1
second run 14.3
third run 14.6 <-- water on the track caused you to slip at the start...

wouldn't that be sweet if I were right lol

which turbo do you have?

Turbonetics T3 Super 60 i believe, Derk never told me wtf it is lol...

well good luck...i hope you prove me wrong

yup, after that stupid flame war between you and i lefix, i haven't checked this until now. so you did it ( in the process of ) congrats... i think.

Yeah its basically tuned and ready to go, little rich on the low RPM's tho.. gonna put the stock 02 sensor back in and re-tune alittle and it should be perfect...

Turbonetics/Garrett Air Research t3/t4 hybrid turbo...

It's like the the t3 base (Garrett) with the turbonetics spool

Turbonetics/Garrett Air Research t3/t4 hybrid turbo...

It's like the the t3 base (Garrett) with the turbonetics spool


That tells us absolutely nothing...literally thousands of turbos fall in the "T3/T04x" category. And what the hell is Turbonetics spool?? IMO turbonetics sucks

yup, after that stupid flame war between you and i lefix, i haven't checked this until now. so you did it ( in the process of ) congrats... i think.

After talking with people online about their turbo builds, most of which never happen, i found that being an ass is about the only effective method. I have to give criticism and direction to people because there are so many self-proclaimed "turbo gurus" online that its hard to distinguish good info from bad info. Most people regurgitate the bullshit they hear and reguard it as fact...

After talking with people online about their turbo builds, most of which never happen, i found that being an ass is about the only effective method. I have to give criticism and direction to people because there are so many self-proclaimed "turbo gurus" online that its hard to distinguish good info from bad info. Most people regurgitate the bullshit they hear and reguard it as fact...

i swear what you just said
reminded me of someone
can't put my finger on who though

Well, i guess im one of those FEW that actually finished a turbo build huh?

Mostly its a money issue with people not finishing these, trust me i am having that issue with my eco one. Primarily due to needing a lot of small stupid shit that i cannot get a hold of, and this small stupid shit is a fortune at the dealership.

*sdm module
*headlight wiring harness
etc.

Well, i guess im one of those FEW that actually finished a turbo build huh?

Yep...one of the few. Most people like to talk about it online for the attention and i swear every time i bring my car out to go "ricing" with a few of my buddies, someone looks at my car and has to tell about their amazing "plan" to turbo their car. I guess after a while, you just stop caring and dont believe anyone's "plan," but good job to those of you who actually finish it

Mostly its a money issue with people not finishing these, trust me i am having that issue with my eco one. Primarily due to needing a lot of small stupid shit that i cannot get a hold of, and this small stupid shit is a fortune at the dealership.

*sdm module
*headlight wiring harness
etc.

You not have an local junk yards?

Yep...one of the few. Most people like to talk about it online for the attention and i swear every time i bring my car out to go "ricing" with a few of my buddies, someone looks at my car and has to tell about their amazing "plan" to turbo their car. I guess after a while, you just stop caring and dont believe anyone's "plan," but good job to those of you who actually finish it

Thanks, i pretty much did everything myself and my shop did the exhaust.. the mechanic only charged me $300 for everything.. :D

:useless:

Yeah i know, i still in the middle of tuning it, i just put the stock 02 back in and now it runs at 14.7 all the time and i havent been in boost yet to see what the AFR is under boost cuz i dont wanna blow anything up...

...

does anyone see any pictures yet? I'm wondering if i'm the only one who isnt seeing anything....hmm

does anyone see any pictures yet? I'm wondering if i'm the only one who isnt seeing anything....hmm

Its cuz im not done tuning it yet, after i put the stock o2 sensor back in, it just ignores all the tune i put into it, it is adjusting the fuel on its own now and i can let the computer do that, I HAVE to adjust the fuel for the car..

So now i dont know how im gonna go into boost and rely on the computer, im gonna disable the sensors...

Okay, i turned off the "Closed Loop Enable" function in hptuners and its back to how it was before now.. but i think i suppose to run the car in closed loop and only when im in WOT it should be in open loop, ugh, oh wells...

so having it untuned prevents pictures from being taken? have you seen my car domain?... It was a mess for a month, with progress pics being taken.. WAIT that's what it's called Progress pics lol.

I see no pictures

not a bump....


still no pictures!!! AHHHHHHHHHH :(

Does this thing real?

meh, who knows...its the internet

K here you go you losers :lol: j/k you guys are cool..

DERK!!! YOUR DAMN TURBO IS LEAKING.. AND IT HAS SHAFT PLAY TOO, WTF MAN.. do u know the sizes of the turbine and the compressor side? GRRRRR.. :shakehead

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2543000-2543999/2543660_82_full.jpg

One more..

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2543000-2543999/2543660_84_full.jpg

Did it all my self, except some relocating problems and exhaust and the downpipe..

well thats a hell of alot more beautiful then under my hood,

well thats a hell of alot more beautiful then under my hood,

Haha, really? Why lol, but thanks :grinyes:

nice... 90% sure it might be the blow off... Had to play a lot with the blow off. Try tightening it... also might be the wastegate. There was zero leak for me, so it has to be something else. Maybe a coupler problem... and, no I actually don't know the size.... I'm sorry that sux. Looks nice.. too bad I can't really see the TURBO that much lol.

whoa.... you still have your IAT sensor???... eee....

and where the fuck is your filter??? I'm having trouble following the air flow... take pic of the turbo itself...

A. Where is your air filter
B. The computer thing on your strut tower fits nicely on the inside of the car. (will free up some room)
C. what the hell are all of those red wires for

not to shabby...if you want to Felix, take pictures of the turbo and i should be able to give you specs on it. Looks good...good luck!

The thing is, my AC line is in the way of where the air filter would be, and i dont know if i should bent the metal line and then put the filter there..

Second of all, the leak isnt boost leak, its oil leak, and my exhaust is smoking when i stop at a stop light, its running at 12.5 AFR at idle so its not being too rich, i think the turbo is leaking oil...

Thanks guys :D

whoa.... you still have your IAT sensor???... eee....

and where the fuck is your filter??? I'm having trouble following the air flow... take pic of the turbo itself...

Yeah i still have my IAT sensor, why?

Heres 2 close up pictures of my turbo... i think the turbine is a .48AR, i dont know about the compressor tho..

Its leaking so i think i have to get a rebuild kit, but i dont know anything about rebuilding turbos... :banghead:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/FlexHehe/DSC01096.jpg

One from the side..

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/FlexHehe/DSC01097.jpg

I hope you can figure out the sizes cuz its leaking and my shaft moves back and forth :banghead:

YIKES

there's more on my cardomain.. i haven't updated it

Schister?

It looks like an internally gated Super 60, but i cant tell the ar on the turbine side...it doesn't really matter as long as you know what kind it is. Blaast performance does rebuilds...i would just search "turbo rebuilds" and see what you find

Yeah it saids that its a .48ar turbine, i bought a rebuild kit and gonna try do it myself :P

just remember that turbos spin at 40,000-120,000rpm. They are precisely balanced. If you take it apart and put it back together correctly, you wont have problems. I would suggest marking the blades on each wheel. The compressor and turbine wheels seperate, but are balanced as a pair...good luck

Hmm i see... the guy that sold me the turbo rebuild kit gives free balancing if you buy his kit, so i probably will send it to him or maybe i will have it done here locally..:P Is it hard to mark where the blades are at and put them back at the right spot?

I would send it off if i where you.

you never learn anything if you dont do it/break it yourself. Trust me.

Cost of rebuild and have it done correctly is ALOT cheaper than buying a rebuild kit, fucking it up, and having either someone re-do it or have to buy a new trubo. Rebuilding them is not that much.

you never learn anything if you dont do it/break it yourself. Trust me.

This isn't one of those things that you can just jump into and put together as you want...if you decide to "figure it out" you're going to need another rebuild once your rebuild fucks up....just hope you dont ruin one or both of the wheels and/or housings

Yeah i know, but isnt all i have to do is replace the bearings, the gaskets and the seals on the turbo? then have someone balance it for me?

Isn't that all i have to do?

i would ruch mather (get it?) break something and pay double for it, and leave the situation knowing what i know now, rather then just paying someone to do it for me.

I installed my B&M STS in my old cavalier, and i broke the clip that holds the rods to the links on the STS, and i ended up paying Chevy 120 bucks for a new Shifter set to get thses 2 plastic clips. But when it came time to install the STS in my SRT-4, i did it in under an hour.

For the price it is for a rebuild it is worth having someone do it if you have no idea what you are doing.