TerminalV & I are verifying tire condition/pressure after a long day of rallying and racing when... behold! A brand new yellow S2000 rolls into the drive-thru next door. We quickly re-positioned ourselves near the exit of the drive-thru & waited for his exit.

In the meantime, three drunk-as-fuck big-ass mother f-ers roll up and start causing some shit because I have a DeLorean. I hate beefy, drunk white trash; even more so when they're driving drunk. They should be in jail! Anyway, the S2K rolls out... and to make a long story short - he's game!!! The drunken guys started beating the shit out of each other no less than a foot from my head… so we quickly leave.

Look around... no traffic for miles. Clear rural roads as far as the eye can see. His girl counts to three, and then we're off. There was sand in my lane, so I literally "sand-bagged" my launch, allowing him to get a car length ahead, but I kept on him the whole time. We’ve both got smiles from ear to ear.

Next light was red, so it is a real race this time... and MO-FO!!! I win! I don't feel so bad about having only 130HP anymore. We looked over at each other, and could tell that we mutually had the race of a lifetime (to be possibly upstaged by racing a Diablo or something). That S2K owner was a cool guy, and his blonde girlfriend looked like a Playboy supermodel... a real bombshell! We all exchanged smiles, I gave him a thumbs up… and rode off into the sunset.

LOL!

Nice ass kill man. :smoker2:

Not to make you discouraged, but have you ever considered the possibility of him letting you win? It happens all the time.

Originally posted by Fliquer
have you ever considered the possibility of him letting you win?
It is possible, but because I was able to hold his car-length lead the whole time after my bad start... the win with the good start seemed logical.

Excellent! Way to represent the DMC!

he defentally did NOT let DMC12 win, I watched it all sence I was following them. The S2K dumped the clutch as it was screaming, he spun them and jumped. It was badass to watch!

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
It was badass to watch!
I wish I had a video camera for an instant replay! I was so focused on NOT missing second gear that I didn't get to savor the moment. Yogs, is your DMC stick? Is it a bitch to speed shift?

Its a manual, but I've never tried to speed shift it. Never raced it mostly because I rather use the VR4s for that.

Very nice! Ya, Im sure he let you win:rolleyes:

he probrably wanted to stay behind and waited till you hit 80mph and see if your fluxcapacitator would kick in and leave 2 trails of fire down the road. hey it could be true~!

Originally posted by YogsVR4
Its a manual, but I've never tried to speed shift it. Never raced it mostly because I rather use the VR4s for that.
Yeah, if you've got one in good condition... its best to keep it that way. Mine will never be worth much (due to its salvage history) so I just have fun with it. :bandit:

Originally posted by TattII
he probrably wanted to stay behind and waited till you hit 80mph and see if your fluxcapacitator would kick in and leave 2 trails of fire down the road.[/B]
Yeah I was waiting for it, too... I loaded Mr. Fusion up with Del Taco, but that type of fuel is best for "natural gas" not nuclear... :D :frog:

Sounds like the introduction to a hip new movie!

Nicely done DMC! :)

Awsome kill. Glad we got at least one Delorean owner who likes to push it. I was always too afraid to do anything crazy in my D.:cool:

nice kill and to think that someone said delorean was a complete flop

wow.. nice kill.. i heard s2k's are hard to launch or something..

you gotta launch them at 8 grand and kill clutch to get good time.

Originally posted by fatninja19
wow.. nice kill.. i heard s2k's are hard to launch or something.. They're just really gutless below 6K.
Nice race!

them higher-performance honda vehicles are pretty crazy.. my friend launches his Integra Type R at approximately 7000 with minimal wheelspin... his stock clutch is pretty much dead nonetheless..

Originally posted by fatninja19
them higher-performance honda vehicles are pretty crazy.. my friend launches his Integra Type R at approximately 7000 with minimal wheelspin... his stock clutch is pretty much dead nonetheless..
True. Winning a race is one thing... and having a car that will last is another. They truly are gutless under 6K. I test-drove one, and didn't go over 6 and was really disappointed. This is why I think buying a "slightly" used S2000 is a bad idea. You have to wonder how many times they did a 9,000 RPM clutch drop! Can't be good for engine/trans/anxles/clutch.

But don't get me wrong... I'm not hatin' on S2000 owners! There are some really cool ladies & gents on the S2K boards & hence my attention to their car (more for the peeps that their rides).

I'll take a delsol, fun for rallying through canyons

other than that, I think i'll leave hondas alone, well, outside of my rearview :p

Sorry Hybrid, but this is the only Del Sol I want... You'll know which one I'm talking about ;)

http://www.akuroda.btinternet.co.uk/crxpix/midsolfr.jpg
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Originally posted by Cbass
Sorry Hybrid, but this is the only Del Sol I want... You'll know which one I'm talking about ;)

http://www.akuroda.btinternet.co.uk/crxpix/midsolfr.jpg
http://www.akuroda.btinternet.co.uk/crxpix/midsolbk.jpg
http://www.akuroda.btinternet.co.uk/crxpix/midsoleng.jpg
but ofcourse, I love my b18c's, BTW check out the new ZERO-100 del Sol Option 2 Model with a B18C: 1,800cc, 550 PS, K5-660R Turbine. argh argh argh argh argh! Same exterior though. so sweet..... ever see the NSX/CRX?

shoulden't say new its from a 2000 show.

I love those mid engined Del Sol's... why didn't they come from the factory that way? :confused:

Oh for fucks sake, now I have another project! :mad:

Originally posted by Cbass

Oh for fucks sake, now I have another project! :mad:
I'm in! :D
when i'm done you will all own del sol's hahahha hahahha HAHAHAHHA (evil laugh).......sorry I got carried away........ I still want to build one of those.

Okay, you're going to have be forgiving, I don't know too much about building Hondas...

Now they're unibody cars with a complete engine cradle, right? I'm thinking it wouldn't be that hard just to backhalf the car with tube and bolt in the cradle...

Wishbones up front?

if not tooooo hard, what cheep decent power engine would fit?

And how hard would it be? Yess....tell us all....

that guy must've sucked at shifting its like that S2K vs cobra vid proves o its fast really fast ....... o well

when you getting that supercharged V8 put in?



that del sol is sweet it was in super street a while back .........

All right, please explain this whole Option 2 thing to me... :confused:

I thought Option 2 referred to the second strategy...

I got that one covered, oh Bass with a C.

Option 2 is one of the more popular Japanese car magazines. It's always filled with cool stuff and neat pictures, and often has scantily clad women as well. Thus, I wish I could read Japanese so that I understand the articles and can say that I read it for the articles when I'm really just drooling at all the pretty pictures. :angel:

Ah, you must understand, I live out in the boonies... it's a challenge for me to find Evo magazine...

Has anyone else read any Evo issues? Holy shit!

Originally posted by Cbass
Okay, you're going to have be forgiving, I don't know too much about building Hondas...

Now they're unibody cars with a complete engine cradle, right? I'm thinking it wouldn't be that hard just to backhalf the car with tube and bolt in the cradle...

Wishbones up front?
the del sol suspension is double-wishbone coil overs front and back, I'm going to see if I can dig up any other info on this immaculate del sol's design. (tube frame sounds logicall) and Option 2 is Japanese magazine to my knowledge they also do videos and tuning of auto's.
-Boss to answer your question any B series should work prefferably a b18c jap domestic.

is the b18c the itr engine??

Originally posted by fatninja19
is the b18c the itr engine??
a b18c is an SiR integra in japan the itr is a c5. I was basically saying any b-series motor.

So here's the plan so far... find a clean Del Sol, and start with the gas axe...

The engine shouldn't be a problem, and obviously they managed to fit the engine/tranny in there. My worries would be about the radiator, oil cooler and intercooler plumbing... No way I'm going to this much trouble to have a car that makes less than 200hp ;)

Originally posted by Cbass
So here's the plan so far... find a clean Del Sol, and start with the gas axe...

The engine shouldn't be a problem, and obviously they managed to fit the engine/tranny in there. My worries would be about the radiator, oil cooler and intercooler plumbing... No way I'm going to this much trouble to have a car that makes less than 200hp ;)
so drop an h22a in? The size of the rear on a del sol would be suitable for almost any honda motor it is quite large. I find that B-series motor's are easily modified to over 200 hp with minor tuning. I do on the other hand, think that this swap/custom job would be a rather pricey conversion.

Yeah, hybrid, for what you're getting it's pretty pricey. It'd be stellar, but it would cost you a bunch unless you had a really good junkyard and lots of tube steel lying around.

Honestly, I'd grab a 1st gen MR2 and either mod the hell out of the 4AG or figure out some way of transplating the VVt-i engine out of the current Celica into it. That'd net the same results, I think.

Originally posted by Octagon
I got that one covered, oh Bass with a C.

Option 2 is one of the more popular Japanese car magazines. It's always filled with cool stuff and neat pictures, and often has scantily clad women as well. Thus, I wish I could read Japanese so that I understand the articles and can say that I read it for the articles when I'm really just drooling at all the pretty pictures. :angel:

same here and they make videos and get to drive all the cool new cars from people like vielside ............ I know who i want to work for........

Originally posted by DMC12

True. Winning a race is one thing... and having a car that will last is another. They truly are gutless under 6K. I test-drove one, and didn't go over 6 and was really disappointed. This is why I think buying a "slightly" used S2000 is a bad idea. You have to wonder how many times they did a 9,000 RPM clutch drop! Can't be good for engine/trans/anxles/clutch.

But don't get me wrong... I'm not hatin' on S2000 owners! There are some really cool ladies & gents on the S2K boards & hence my attention to their car (more for the peeps that their rides). Alright, let's clear up the myths.

I own an S2k. I've had it since day one, and now have 24,000 miles on it. I'm the biggest race whore you'll ever meet. I street race every weekend, go to the track several times a year, and dump the clutch on my car more times than you can imagine. In an average week I probably do 5+ clutch dumps when racing. I have put that car through dump after dump, and race after race screaming at 9000rpm.

I've never had a problem with the car, and just recently had the car at the dealer to have a TSB done. (the TSB requires them to remove the transmission and I also had them check the drivetrain/differential) I saw the car in pieces myself.

There is not a damn thing wrong with it. IN fact, the clutch barely had a mark on it. The differential showed NO wear at all, and looked brand new. The drivetrain/transmission were all fine. The flywheel was also like new.

This car can take the clutch dumps just fine. Don't spout crap just because some mag says that the car won't take it. Honda's not that dumb... they knew what it would take to get the car going quickly, and they built it to take it in stock form.

Also, you don't have to dump the clutch at 8000rpm. I was running 14.0 at the track 3 weeks ago with 4500rpm clutch dumps. I ran 13.7-13.8's last year with 5000rpm dumps.

And what is the 1/4 mile of a delorian? I don't ever recall them being high 13 second cars. You beat the driver... not the car. congrats on your kill.

I agree, you also have to account for every day driving. If someone does not know how to shift, there is wear and tear on the car day in and day out. So, when they do race I'm sure that same person has no idea what in the hell they are doing. Ripping it through gears and f...ing up the clutch, flywheel, gears, and differential. The driver accounts for the condition of the transmition/car not the car itself.

Then suffice to say a properly driven S2k can take it.

Then again, any car driven by a bad driver, racing or daily, won't last so good to that kind of wear.

I'm just trying to get people over this image that the S2k is some fragile delicate thing.

Oh, I know that, I was defending you on the fact that cars wear differently depending on how, where, and who drives them. The S2000 is a strong, fast, quality automobile. If I had the means I would go pick one up today.

p.s.> Have they made a good turbo kit for it yet? I really don't follow Honda's that often.

Peace Out :smoker:

There is a company called speedcraft that makes a bolt on kit with all necessary fuel/ignition upgrades. Expensive, but then again, so are all mods for this car.

A few S2000's have the kit installed. I've heard of one running 11's on street tires, and several others run low low 12's. 8-10psi. And yes, stock internals. Some members have had the turbo kit for 40,000+ miles and I don't think any of them has lost an engine yet.

I don't think anyone was suggesting the cars are fragile, or not built well. You have to admit dumping the clutch in any car is harder on it than just easing off the line, and will mean more frequent clutch jobs, just as harder stopping will mean more frequent brake jobs.

As for the transmission, I'm not informed enough to have an opinion. If Honda built it strong enough to take that level of use, than it'll be fine. Besides, the S2000 only makes 153 ftlbs, so that's not exactly big block territory.

Damn! Well beef up the internals throw on some larger injecters, and crank the boost up some.....=:ylsuper then maybe a 50 or 75 shot of the funny gas.....It would be sick.

Thanks buddy later!

nice choice of words, but confusing; the people in the s2000 are drunk? if not, where do the drunks come into play? either way nice story:flash: :flash: :flash: :flash: :flash:

Well, I think I'll go with the H22A, no replacement for displacement and all.

Now what I need to know is the arrangement of the engine mounting. Is it just a subframe/cradle that's bolted in? If it is, that would make backhalfing it easy and almost free.

Tube is cheap, and wire and gas are too. I can get a get the engine/tranny delivered to my door for about $2500 USD, with shipping included...

If it'll bolt to the cradle, I can just fabricate the back half of the frame from tube steel, bolt the engine in, and start working out the little things...

Originally posted by HikaRu
nice choice of words, but confusing; the people in the s2000 are drunk? if not, where do the drunks come into play? either way nice story
:D Sorry about that. The S2000 driver was checking out my car when a Ford Aspire rolled up packed full of these huge drunk guys. S2K, TerminalV & I looked at each other just to make sure we all knew that it was time to get going. TermnalV actually started up his car and positioned it as a battering ram if the drunks tried to carjack or kill me. They were at least twice my size.:bloated:

I'm not saying you didn't stay "ahead" of the S2K, However, please do some basic math here:

You have 130hp @ 2800 lbs... that means u need to move 21.8lbs of weight per horse power.

The S2K is 240hp. At 2800lbs, this means the S2K has to only move 11.8lbs of weight per horse power.

They run sub 6second 0-60 times, and high 13's (great driver) and low 14's (mediocre/average) driver in the 1/4 mile.

The Delorian runs ~10seconds 0-60, and the 1/4mile in 17-18seconds.

Either the S2K was playing with you, or wasn't racing (he probably didn't even know you were getting on it).

If he DID launch the car, you would have only seen tail-lights.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

Hahaha I think you forgot to add the part that says -- and then I woke up.

He must of had the turbo installed:sun:

he was...:bonghitte

are you sure he was racing? btw, i just found this site, so please, no newbie comments. :) anyways, my friend has a civic ex, which is a bit low on power too. when he is "racing" me sometimes, i'm not even sure he is unless i have my radio way down (when i hear his engine revving to redline). i know the S2000 is not the fastest car on the planet, but still, a 130hp car vs a 240 hp car or better yet, 17sec 1/4 vs a high 13 sec one...not much of a comparison. i really think the guy in the S2000 was toying with you or was just enjoying watching your car go. most ppl don't see deloreans often. they are a nice sight and brings back fond memories of the past for some of us! personally, i would love to see one take off...and yes, i'd probably hang back and enjoy the show. :)

Everyone - remember the driver makes mistakes sometimes. Just because the S2000 is clearly the faster car with everything else being the same doesnt mean that the driver cant miss a shift or a dozen other things.

Nobody here is saying that his DMC is a faster car. He only described the race.

A 13-second car matched-up with an 18-second second driver...will result in an 18-second run...it HAS happened before.

Lets clear up a few misconceptions...

1. He knew we were going for it.

2. He is an experienced driver & has been running Hondas since back in the day (when most of you were watching Barney on TV).

3. No he didn't let me win... he knew I'd be on-line bragging, so why humiliate himself?

4. His car cost $30,000 more than mine... just thought I'd throw that in :D

Originally posted by DMC12

2. He is an experienced driver & has been running Hondas since back in the day (when most of you were watching Barney on TV).



barney... wow that was like 10 minutes ago.. Being home now i get tons of TV watching done.

anywho back to my soap operas!

Rick and Sophia's wedding!!! BUT Rick doesnt know Sophia is his evil twin brother in disgise trying to get at his riches!! :eek:

This is great stuff!

hah yeah look at the timestamps, i'm sure the mods can chekc ip too...

There is a good chance the S2000 was trying. There 5-60 mph "street start" is only 7.6 sec. Meaning if you cant drop the hammer at 9k rpm your going to struggle. In the Dec. issue of Car and Driver the best 1/4 time they could get was a 14.9, and that was dropping the clutch " just shy of redline". So, the common Joe on the street, who just bought the car because it looks cool, and doesnt know how to drive it, is going to be very slow in an S2000.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
There is a good chance the S2000 was trying. There 5-60 mph "street start" is only 7.6 sec. Meaning if you cant drop the hammer at 9k rpm your going to struggle. In the Dec. issue of Car and Driver the best 1/4 time they could get was a 14.9, and that was dropping the clutch " just shy of redline". So, the common Joe on the street, who just bought the car because it looks cool, and doesnt know how to drive it, is going to be very slow in an S2000. mag racing sucks. don't do it.

We have yet to figure out what brand of pot it was that they were smoking when they ran a 14.9 by dropping "just shy of redline".

I ran 14.0 about 3 weeks ago off of 4500rpm dumps in my completely stock S2k. I have run twice with "street starts" or NOT doing a launch, and I still ran 14.6 both times. My worst time that day, of 10 runs, was a 14.2.

And as for their "street start" 7.6, that's way off as well.

The only way they are getting such horrible times is they aren't driving right, are short shifting, or the S2k is brand new and not making anywhere near full power. (ala recent car and driver comparo)

So, if your friend is an "experienced" driver, then this is how he loses to a 17 second delorian.

Step 1. shift at 7000rpm every gear.
Step 2. mis shift every gear.
Step 3. accidentally mistake the brake for the gas pedal several times

Sure, then I could see the S2k make a 17+ second run.

Originally posted by RedNeck383


barney... wow that was like 10 minutes ago.. Being home now i get tons of TV watching done.

anywho back to my soap operas!

Rick and Sophia's wedding!!! BUT Rick doesnt know Sophia is his evil twin brother in disgise trying to get at his riches!! :eek:

This is great stuff!
its time to come out of the closet redneck.........

J/P
:devil:

PS- Cbass finding out more info on the rear engine sol for you, and perhaps a blueprint diagram.:)

Thanks Hybridsol!

Anyhoo, DMC12 said he beat the S2000, and I frankly don't see why you people can't just accept that. If he was going to lie, wouldn't he say he beat something a little more exotic than a 14 second Honda?

Keep in mind, the S2000 only makes 150ftlbs, and that's near it's redline. This translates into horrible acceleration out of the powerband! The Delorean also makes a bit over 150ftlbs, but it makes it at 2700rpm, and has that torque through most engine speeds.

You make a very good point cbass. And there is no knowing where or how long the race lasted between lights. If they had a long drag I believe the Honda would have the advantage.

I'm not discounting his story.

But if I was on the S2000 site, telling a story about how I took out a Z06 or a viper, I'd be flamed like no tomorrow. (the difference between S2k and delorian is 3 seconds in the 1/4 mile... the difference between Z06 and S2k is less than 2... so you can see why this story is hard to swallow)

But who knows, maybe the guy was still during his break in period and can't shift over 5000rpm. Who knows.

My point is, the S2k isn't some dog from light to light. It doesn't need a lot of space to wind out it's power. it hits VTEC at around 25mph in 1st gear. From then on, it's in the power band. It will never fall out of the power band if the moron driving doesn't short shift.

Originally posted by Cbass
Keep in mind, the S2000 only makes 150ftlbs, and that's near it's redline. This translates into horrible acceleration out of the powerband! The Delorean also makes a bit over 150ftlbs, but it makes it at 2700rpm, and has that torque through most engine speeds. Keep in mind, the S2k's gearing is aggressive as hell. First gear alone is around 14.9:1

That means that measly 153lb/ft of torque is multiplied 14.9 times.

The S2k makes around 135+ lb/ft by 2500rpm or so. Again, multiply that by 14.9 in first gear, and you've got a lot of force pushing that car forward.

Really? Well that just supports the story of just a guy who ws not racing him or :flamer:

Even if the S2k driver was asleep he could still easily win. This thread was obviously started as a lie to get reaction -- and it has.

Originally posted by DMC12

Lets clear up a few misconceptions...

1. He knew we were going for it.

2. He is an experienced driver & has been running Hondas since back in the day (when most of you were watching Barney on TV).

3. No he didn't let me win... he knew I'd be on-line bragging, so why humiliate himself?

4. His car cost $30,000 more than mine... just thought I'd throw that in :D


so let me get this straight....so you know him well enough that he would foresee you bragging online and you know his "racing" history? i didn't get the impression you KNEW him, that i can recall. seemed like you two just happened to meet up and wanted to run. now you act like you two are boys. clarify please?

i agree with the guy that said a 18sec driver in a 13sec car will get a 18sec 1/4. the thing is, the PROBABILITY of a S2000, who is definitely racing, losing to a delorean is rather slim. BUT, sh*t happens on the streets and we all know it. to me, it's all good.

happy racing! :)

Originally posted by c steve
Even if the S2k driver was asleep he could still easily win. This thread was obviously started as a lie to get reaction -- and it has.
Please elaborate on how a driver who is asleep could win a race. This thread is not a lie.

Originally posted by nHobbes
so let me get this straight....so you know him well enough that he would foresee you bragging online and you know his "racing" history? i didn't get the impression you KNEW him, that i can recall. seemed like you two just happened to meet up and wanted to run. now you act like you two are boys. clarify please?
Well, sorry if I didn't write a novel on the incident! Jeesh, I wanted to get to the point which is that I FINALLY had a chance to race an S2000. I hear them bragging about wins against some pretty powerful cars, so it was just cool to hang with him on one race, then beat him on the other.

We had the chance to talk for a few minutes while he was checking out my car, and that is when he revealed his history. He used to mod Hondas back in the day before street racing was popular... but who knows - maybe he was lying just to earn my respect. Sh*t does happen.

Are their deloreans that make more than 130hp? (im not talking about moded ones) because i could have sworn i heard they make more than 130hp.

Originally posted by RACER D12
Are their deloreans that make more than 130hp? (im not talking about moded ones) because i could have sworn i heard they make more than 130hp.
130 is the number floating around the Web for the stock engine, but I'm not sure if that is correct. The car is so mysterious... nobody seems to have definite numbers for anything.

My first DMC (mint condition) felt like 130 (it was an automatic), but my current one feels like 200. The DMC-Houston stage 1 engines produce 190 (from headers, exhaust and cams). And then, there are the twin turbo mods...

I might put nitrous in my DMC for a little extra kick:frog:

Originally posted by DMC12

Well, sorry if I didn't write a novel on the incident! Jeesh, I wanted to get to the point which is that I FINALLY had a chance to race an S2000. I hear them bragging about wins against some pretty powerful cars, so it was just cool to hang with him on one race, then beat him on the other.

We had the chance to talk for a few minutes while he was checking out my car, and that is when he revealed his history. He used to mod Hondas back in the day before street racing was popular... but who knows - maybe he was lying just to earn my respect. Sh*t does happen.

DMC12: "We all exchanged smiles, I gave him a thumbs up… and rode off into the sunset."

this was a quote from your original post. sorry dude, but i'm just calling it as YOU wrote it. the answer to your question is "yes"...if you want to write about an encounter (especially one which may be deemed ficticious), it may be in your best interest to write the complete story instead of giving us fragments and thereby giving what seems to be an inconsistent testimony. as i said before, sh*t happens on the streets. you never know what the other guy is thinking/doing. if he said, "damn, i tried my hardest. i'm a seasoned racer and i couldn't overtake you", then that is another story. BUT, if he stated that he was a hardcore racer as you mentioned, then in all likelihood, he lied, because a well driven S2000 will not lose to a car so far from its HP league. again, i am not here to flame, but i would like the WHOLE story as it unfolded, not what you deem relevant enough for us to believe you. as honda troll said, if i said i beat a Z06, i would be very diligent when it comes to the details. the best i could ask for would be "hey, good race. you beat the driver. congrats!"

as i said before, if i saw a delorean on the streets, that was seemingly stock, i would have hung back (as the other guy did) and enjoyed watching it go. that's just me though....

happy racing!

Wow, I think this thread may have set a record for new users first posts! ;)

hondatroll, you're kidding me, right? 14.9:1 first gear? Is that calculated with the final drive ratio, because most cars have a 3-4:1 first gear...

Yeah... but hey the flaming is nothing new here on AF. I just gotta wonder how they found us. Welcome to AF, I guess :smoka:

Oh, and 14:1 sounds wrong. Typo?

First gear 3.133 * Final drive 4.10 * Primary reduction 1.16.

So, 3.133 * 4.10 * 1.16 = 14.9 overall first gear ratio. You need this number to figure out the force the car makes when in 1st gear. So at peak RWTQ, the S2k is making 2041lb/ft force. (137WTQ * 14.9) There is a bit more too, since you have to figure in wheel circumference, but I'll spare the details for another time.

to the flaming assholes *wont mention newb names ;)* lern to nod and smile. If this story wasnt real, which it was, I watched, like when the S2K dumped the clutch and spun those tires, kicking out the ass slightly, then you should just smile and go "good kill" Why? Because a good story is worth more than a shitty one. Now, why dont you go jump on the "My civic killed a Viper" when his mods include a shift nob and body kit....Why?,....maby because your from the S2K site, and cant take that one of your 30,000+ toys got beaten? Hmmm, if it smells like an asshole, and spits out crap. Serously, i'm probally going to get warned for this but damn, you people dont have a place here, this is a fourm for saying "hey, good job, nice car" NOT "hey, you couldnt have won for this reason and that" He said he raced cars before, I dont doubt him because he knows a team I know, this team defentally DOSENT advertise...Thing is I think he was on speed, which would defentally fuck up his racing skills, naimly shifting into wrong gears, grinding them etc, I dont know if he was doing this, his car was too loud at 9k rpm, and yes, I know what they sound like at 9 grand. Neather race was long, but DMC12 defentally has the torque advantage, because his 156ftlb's is almost always at 150 throughout the powerband, and his horses increase fast. Also the delorian weighs in at roughtly 2300, stock anyway, his D was lightened up alot, and I mean alot. Yes, he does still have his interior, but he was smart with how he reduced weight. I wont tell his secrets. And as I said, he does have some light mods, enough tomake him kill GT stangs (1996), GT Eclipses (2002) he pulls harder than my car up to 70, and I have a 0-60 of 6.3 seconds, and he pulls harder when he dosent launch. I can take him...not by much and its at 80mph...I have done pleanty of mods and lightening of my car too.

Hell, hes beaten a viper too *but the viper wasnt racing, still, he pulled a honda (no offence Hybrid)*

So to all ya haters, back off, or just smile and say good kill. Hell, flame the driver of the S2K, but lay off bashing a car you know NOTHING about. It makes you look about as bright as a muffler bearing.

End Rant....:bandit:

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
to the flaming assholes *wont mention newb names ;)* lern to nod and smile. If this story wasnt real, which it was, I watched, like when the S2K dumped the clutch and spun those tires, kicking out the ass slightly, then you should just smile and go "good kill" Why? Because a good story is worth more than a shitty one. Now, why dont you go jump on the "My civic killed a Viper" when his mods include a shift nob and body kit....Why?,....maby because your from the S2K site, and cant take that one of your 30,000+ toys got beaten? Hmmm, if it smells like an asshole, and spits out crap. Serously, i'm probally going to get warned for this but damn, you people dont have a place here, this is a fourm for saying "hey, good job, nice car" NOT "hey, you couldnt have won for this reason and that" He said he raced cars before, I dont doubt him because he knows a team I know, this team defentally DOSENT advertise...Thing is I think he was on speed, which would defentally fuck up his racing skills, naimly shifting into wrong gears, grinding them etc, I dont know if he was doing this, his car was too loud at 9k rpm, and yes, I know what they sound like at 9 grand. Neather race was long, but DMC12 defentally has the torque advantage, because his 156ftlb's is almost always at 150 throughout the powerband, and his horses increase fast. Also the delorian weighs in at roughtly 2300, stock anyway, his D was lightened up alot, and I mean alot. Yes, he does still have his interior, but he was smart with how he reduced weight. I wont tell his secrets. And as I said, he does have some light mods, enough tomake him kill GT stangs (1996), GT Eclipses (2002) he pulls harder than my car up to 70, and I have a 0-60 of 6.3 seconds, and he pulls harder when he dosent launch. I can take him...not by much and its at 80mph...I have done pleanty of mods and lightening of my car too.

Hell, hes beaten a viper too *but the viper wasnt racing, still, he pulled a honda (no offence Hybrid)*

So to all ya haters, back off, or just smile and say good kill. Hell, flame the driver of the S2K, but lay off bashing a car you know NOTHING about. It makes you look about as bright as a muffler bearing.

End Rant....:bandit:

Keep in mind that being a newbie on THIS board, does not always mean a person is new to internet car boards in general. Understand what that means or should I explain it a bit more? You seem a bit....challenged, especially in the intelligence department. You really should go back to school if you're done or think you are (based on your intellectual <sarcasm> posts, you are just a kid anyways, so STAY in school a LONG time).

Now the guy is on speed, etc? LOL Damn, I hear more and more excuses everyday! You failed to mention that before, am I correct? Oh, but it doesn't stop there. IF and IF he has mods as YOU say he does (beats this car and that), then WHY OH WHY did he specifically mention his HP NUMBERS??? Why say 130hp, when he has so much more?? Why didn't he tell us he was modified and make his story more believable?

Knowing a "team" is not BEING on a team. Understand the difference? I KNOW of a guy who races his car and gets 9sec 1/4 times, but that is not ME, so who cares????

"Hell, hes beaten a viper too *but the viper wasnt racing" : HAHAHAHAH...you gotta be kidding me right???? LMAO!!!

Read DMC12's sig...." This post may contain outright lies and middle-aged angry white male babble "

You two are pathetic. ENOUGH SAID!

You two do nothing but talk out of your azzes and contradict yourselves.

Whoa! Someone needs a cup of coffee!:eek:

nHobbes i think you should shoot your self or go away YOU know NOTHING about DMC12s car so what if he put 130hp IT GETS PEOPLES ATTENTION! beside it is hard to know how much Hp your making after you mod unless you get it Profesionally checked. And want to hear a story you wont beleave my dad beat a S2K on the Highway with our 93 E300 2.8! dont beleave me I DONT GIVE A :flipa::D because I know what happened. Also weight makes a big difference if he is under 2000lbs than he very well could have taken the S2K. And god if you ever post a thread here i am going to Flame:flamer: you with little dumb Questions. So what if he didnt put every little detal maybe he has a LIFE! Like TV said nod and smile I dont aways beleave what I hear here but i just nod a smile for the most part, I beleave TV and DMC12 if you stick around you will beleave them too and would take back that statement about them being kids.

Originally posted by RACER D12
nHobbes i think you should shoot your self or go away YOU know NOTHING about DMC12s car so what if he put 130hp IT GETS PEOPLES ATTENTION! beside it is hard to know how much Hp your making after you mod unless you get it Profesionally checked. And want to hear a story you wont beleave my dad beat a S2K on the Highway with our 93 E300 2.8! dont beleave me I DONT GIVE A :flipa::D because I know what happened. Also weight makes a big difference if he is under 2000lbs than he very well could have taken the S2K. And god if you ever post a thread here i am going to Flame:flamer: you with little dumb Questions. So what if he didnt put every little detal maybe he has a LIFE! Like TV said nod and smile I dont aways beleave what I hear here but i just nod a smile for the most part, I beleave TV and DMC12 if you stick around you will beleave them too and would take back that statement about them being kids.

Dude, you are a moron. Read the whole thread. He says HIMSELF that he has 130hp, so please keep that in mind. Under 2000lbs? LMAO!

Shoot myself? HAHAHAHA You and people like you do nothing for the gene pool. You should have been swallowed and not conceived.

Right, so first a 17 second car (honestly probably closer to a 19 second car with age) beats an S2k because it has more torque -- and we all must beleive this story because the author mentions that the S2k spun his wheels -- which of course must make the race true .... and then someone claims to beat an S2k with an even slower economy model Mercedes -- on the highway no less.

Next up -- Pinto beats S2k.

You can't argue with someone when they just flat out make up stories and lies.

If you have a 17+ second delorean and you "beat" an S2000... he wasn't racing.

If you had your economy class mercedes, and your dad was driving and he "beat" an S2000.... the S2k again, wasn't racing.

You guys are too funny:

"You should have been swallowed and not conceived" -nHobbes
"Next up -- Pinto beats S2k" -c steve
"You two do nothing but talk out of your azzes and contradict yourselves" -nHobbes

Why is it so hard to believe that I raced an S2000 and won? Because I left out the really boring details? Gentlemen (or ladies), this is AutomotiveForums... where really long, detailed posts are overlooked. Also, a while back people were banned left & right for flaming, hence my signature: " This post may contain outright lies and middle-aged angry white male babble." I put that there so that nobody could argue that I was flaming and get banned -or- no undercover cops could claim that I was a big-time law breaker (which I'm not - I'm probably THE best driver you'll ever see). I mean after all, this is an internet forum, a place where people can have fun discussing hobbies and trading stories.

I put the 130HP figure in the headline because that is what people have told me the DMC makes. If that is true, then why can I waste an S2000? Mustang GT? If my car runs 19 in the quarter mile and weighs 3,000 pounds, then why do I win mostly all my races? Folks, I'm just here to prove that the DMC isn't the P.O.S. you think it is. It was created by JZD, the guy who invented the muscle car! But apparently real-world proof isn't enough. So what is it going to take?

If my car runs 19 in the quarter mile and weighs 3,000 pounds, then why do I win mostly all my races?
Because you either race 80's Toyota Camry's or Ford Festiva's -- or those you think are racing are not.

Folks, I'm just here to prove that the DMC isn't the P.O.S. you think it is.
No one is saying the DMC is a POS -- but then none of us are willing to believe that they were ever or are now fast cars. A 2.85 liter V6 pumping out 130 horsepower in a car that weighs 2712 pounds is not by any stretch of the imagination a performance vehicle. Honestly, there are minivans and SUV's which will out accelerate your car. I am looking at the parking lot as I type this, various sedans and trucks and I can't find one which is slower than your DMC.....

If you had your economy class mercedes, and your dad was driving and he "beat" an S2000.... the S2k again, wasn't racing.


Economy:confused: Its a V8! and its chiped so the governer is turned off, and I know the guy was racing because he fliped us off and gunned it, so my dad gunned it to and of course our V8 wins or are you going to fight about how a 4cyl could beat a v8

Look, people...DMC12 is a well-respected member of this forum and so is TerminalVelocity...and neither one is known for lying or making things up. They were both witnesses to the race and, I for one believe them.

If you notice, this isn't a car or make-specific forum. Most of us here like most cars, although there is a lot of bias towards Hondas...but mostly for riced-out Civics. Rest assured, S2000s are respected by most, and feared by some.

I have spent some time defending Hondas in here, both as cars, and as a company, but bottomline is, none of us were there. We don't how DMCs car was configured, and we don't know how the S2000 was. For all you know he had fouling injectors(just an example). I myself have beaten other cars in mine that I didn't think I should have. I didn't even bother posting them in here or in the Honda street/track racing forum because I knew this exact thing is what would have happened to me.

Bottomline is, if we can't trust each other's words in here, why even bother coming in here to talk? So, till they have absolutely proven themselves to be trolls(which they're not), or absoulute liars...I'll believe them.

For all the S2000 owners who obviously got us linked through whatever board they're from, welcome to AF. Stay and chat, but please, NO MORE FLAMES. Let's leave it as is...and if any of your S2000 buddies are near him, ask them to contact and challenge him. There you go.

P.S.: as for the torque-multiplied-by-gearing factor...remember, the DeLorean has gears too.

Economy Its a V8! and its chiped so the governer is turned off, and I know the guy was racing because he fliped us off and gunned it, so my dad gunned it to and of course our V8 wins or are you going to fight about how a 4cyl could beat a v8

The E300 2.8 has a 2.8 liter inline 6 that puts out 194 horsepower in a car that weighs over 3400 pounds. To put it simply it is a slow pig and is going to have a hard time pulling on a semi truck let alone an S2k.

I should also add that the S2k -- even with it's 2.0 liter 4 cylinder does in fact out accelerate a number of cars with V8's.

Sit down, shut up.

I think this is a bunch of bull. i don't mind discussing the mechanics of the cars. But, this childish arguing is pissing me off. I come here for and to give advice, not to argue over what car is faster. Like two children arguing over which Pokemon has more magic. So cut out this crap. Csteve you have a minimal amount of posts, and i respect you for your knowledge, but you need not be calling out people who have a reputation on this forum. I don't know how old everyone is, but they are acting like a group of 4 year olds.

I'm done.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Rest assured, S2000s are respected by most, and feared by some.*snip*

Bottomline is, if we can't trust each other's words in here, why even bother coming in here to talk?*snip*

Stay and chat, but please, NO MORE FLAMES.*snip*
Thanks Carrrnuttt for your mediation. I'm actually having a fun time with this thread, so its all good!:smoker2: LET ME AT 'EM!!! :)

Originally posted by c steve Because you either race 80's Toyota Camry's or Ford Festiva's -- or those you think are racing are not.[/B]
I once considered racing a Saturn sl1 just to grant the guy his wish (he really likes my car), but Festivas, Camrys and the like are no match and hence no fun.

Originally posted by c steve Honestly, there are minivans and SUV's which will out accelerate your car. I am looking at the parking lot as I type this, various sedans and trucks and I can't find one which is slower than your DMC[/B]
I have to agree that there are SUVs that will beat me. The SVC Escalade SSE (http://www.specialvehicles.com/) is a 6 litre with an Eaton M1T supercharger, headers & dual exhaust, re-programmed computer, K&N Filtercharger, Sport shift valve body, and an LSD. It can beat many things... maybe even an S2000 ;) But it costs $70,000 MORE than my DMC did. AS for mini-vans, I can't think of one that would be able to beat me (stock for stock)... unless they toasted their engine during the race and I missed second gear.

You guys are hilarious... and I mean as in everybody. Arguing over something so dumb.


Would you argue If I said I beat an Z06 or a Porche 911 Turbo or a Viper in my hunk-o-junk?

My Nova only has 360 RWHP 375 RWTQ. Would I cause such a uproar?



But more seriously, I personally know DMC12 and have ridden in the now infamous DMC in question. Its not exactly 'stock' per say. Its lighter than stock, and for its age it has quite a bit of pep.

Lets remember that the Delorean... it was designed as a commuter not a race car like the S2000. Now if a DeLorean beat a S2000 well then it beat it.. Remember the driver factors in a huge part of any race. DMC12 is a good driver, he saved the car from spinning out when he hit a oil slick in the road. I know I was there.

If you dont believe it happened then I'm sorry... nothing they can do to convince you. I say They cause I wasnt personally present for the race. Think what you will of me, rip apart my post if you must. I know for a fact DMC12 is not lying.

DemonZX is right but I think I should tell c steve the whole story to make it a little more believable so heres what happened.

So like I said we both gun it(we started at about 60) the S2k pulls a head 5 or 6 car lengths and is pulling away untill about 85mph we hold their for a bit then we start pulling at a 100mph and are along side him at 110mph and really start pulling away after 120mph. Like i said our gov. is turned off so we can keep going, im thinking his might have kicked in around 115mph i dont know alot about S2ks just their numbers so if any of you know when they kick in correct me. Anyways we are pulling away so their is really no point in continuing we put on the hazard lights and slow down he puts on the brakes hard and takes an exit you know he was embarrassed. So thats the whole story and i know you think E300 2.8 is a slow car but its really not I was surprized how much power it has, we spin the tires so much on accident and it really flys on the highway.

Plus the doors open up cool!

I tied neck and neck with an S2000 in a 95 mustang v6. The next day I lined up aginst a new turbo 911, it was funny, it felt like I was in reverse. Anyway, the S2000 is better at home on a road course with short straights. The times I have driven them they felt downright sluggish unless you launched high and rowed gears like a mad man. DMC12 won the race, and it was watched by another member, so let it go. On a good note, maybe this will be the longest thread ever on Automotive Forums, go for the record.

you can do it

Originally posted by RACER D12
you can do it
put your back into it.

actually we have a ways to go...

the thread on the F&F 2 movie is at 19 pages
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68850

And in the lamborghini forum, Jaba's Videos is up too 37 pages..
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t46510.html

but we can catch up...

there might be longer threads.. but those are 2 that i personally know are exceptionally long.

Here is my contribution to help in the creation of the longest thread. FORDs ARE BETTER THEN HONDAS.:D

I'd just like to say to the newcomers, don't come on this forum and start flaming long time members.

DMC12's Delorean is not stock, it has some upgrades, and some weight reduction. Now I'm not sure, but I believe the Delorean used the Chevy 60 degree V6, displacing 2.8 liters. Making 130hp, this works out to 46.4bhp/liter. There are an awful lot of things you can do to improve that, matching the compression of the S2000(12:1) would help greatly, basic porting on a 60 degree V6 can yield as much as 20hp, add a cam and you're pushing 200hp, and around 180ftlbs.

Reduce the weight to 2400 lbs(not that hard), and you've got a reasonable quick car, on par with a 2800 lb S2000 that makes 240hp/150ftlbs.

BTW Terminal Velocity, if buddy was on speed he'd probably make better shifts, amphetamines enhance your ability to do anything, with virtually no drug like high.

DeLorean uses a Volvo based 2.85 liter SOHC V6 using a Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection, making 145bhp @ 5500rpm.

Well I feel quite foolish, I always thought the Delorean used the 60 degree V6 :o Well the SOHC RPV-V6 is a whole different story!

Those engines are easily capable of 200hp, and excellent driveability. The K-jet CIS may not be the best injection system for performance, but it is bulletproof and very forgiving towards performance modifications. I know, it's the same system used on the 924 ;)

Apparently the factory Delorean exhaust and catalytic converter(s?) rob the engine of about 30-40hp!

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Here is my contribution to help in the creation of the longest thread. FORDs ARE BETTER THEN HONDAS.:D
........wow that was so in depth......... what are you like 13 -14? I'm trying to stay out of this, but that was uncalled for. My entire family owns fords there good reliable cars/trucks. However ford being better than Honda is a stretch, both company's offer much to today's automotive market.

I should clarify that, the US market Deloreans have the restrictive exhaust and power robbing cats.

Hybridsol, he was just joking, I think.

I found the article on the del Sol, seems the only things they had to fabricate to fit it were engine/tranny mounts, and the suspension arms on the back.

I don't see why they'd have to fab the arms, but that's what they said... mounts are no problem, just a few minutes at the machine shop. The fuel tank and trunk would have to be cut out, and a fuel cell would be located where the engine was. Under body panels would be needed to clean up the airflow and get some downforce going (pay attention ricers, there are more ways of getting DF than adding a 3 foot wing to your car :p ;) ).

Originally posted by hybridsol

........wow that was so in depth......... what are you like 13 -14? I'm trying to stay out of this, but that was uncalled for. My entire family owns fords there good reliable cars/trucks. However ford being better than Honda is a stretch, both company's offer much to today's automotive market.

hes just messin around :D

And for all the backup, I thank you all...It upsets me to see people bashing a race, and a car, they know little about

CBASS, if you change the cam and exaust, with high flow cats and headers, your making 200hp 195 torque, theres a place in TX that does this. Now, that said checking the cam on the D it was cleaner than the can when its been freshly washed, and having checked out stock engines toren apart at a shop we have access to, it looks like a more radical cam, I'm no expert but there was an obvious difference. Soooo DMC...hiding something from all of us? ;)

Oh, and as for my intelligence, I've been invited into both the Army and Navy for Counter Intelligence, also i'm in training for Vice and organised crime units, havent decided which force to join *just which city really*

Do you believe me, of course not
Do I care? heh, no, why? Because -I- know its true. And you...well..your a pissed off rich bloke, probally with more money to throw around then I will ever have, but if you get this bent up over your brand of car loosing, then i'm obviously happier than you will ever be. Now if i'm wrong just tell me, and i'll retract this statement. But this is as I see it.

PS, if there are any of you S2K owners in LA or VC or OC areas in CA, lemme know, I STILL wanna race an S2k, win or loose. I'd prefer to go up against a great driver and see how I really do.

Oh, and on that note, i've known many MANY drivers, and DMC12 is by far the best. He can make that pinto beat an S2K anyday :p

Oh, and the part of how he beat the viper....yah, that WAS a joke :hehehe: learn to take it.

Well said, TV. I get the impression someone posted this thread on a S2000 forum, just to get a rise from the people there... :rolleyes:

Anyhow, the S2000 is a sports car, not a drag racer. Don't be upset if it get's beat in a straight line, get upset when it gets killed in the twisties by a Porsche :p

There is no substitute.

http://www.delorean.com/performance.asp

there's your stats on the delorean, as well as some info of how it responds to mods.

You have to understand where we are coming from, and I am surprised no one else has shown some skepticism themselves.

Do you realize how poorly someone has to drive an S2k to run a 17 second time? IN fact, I don't think it's ever even been done. Even the idiots at car and driver have gotten worst of 14.9.... and that was in an S2000 that wasn't broken in. I've seen some people run as high as a 15.4, and heard about low 15's on the internet. But 17 is way too much of a stretch.

My best theory as to making your story true, is that the S2000 was not past break in and he couldn't shift past 5000rpm. Then yes, it'd be a 17 second car.

Fair enough?

Originally posted by hybridsol

........wow that was so in depth......... what are you like 13 -14? I'm trying to stay out of this, but that was uncalled for. My entire family owns fords there good reliable cars/trucks. However ford being better than Honda is a stretch, both company's offer much to today's automotive market.


Good gosh loosen up a bit. Learn to decipher context as well as sarcastic comments. It had no serious intent. Just a jibe to help lenghten thread. Im glad your family drives fords, my family has a mix of mostly Toyotas, a couple Fords and a couple Saturns( darn guess those are chevys). I personaly have my cobra, a 1991 civic and a 89 toyota pickup. There is no doubt in my mind that hondas are quality cars. Consumer report just released the top longest lasting brands of cars. It went in this order, Lexus, Acura toyota and honda. Just think that they are better suited for daily commute, sure they can be made fast, anything can be made fast.

Oh and Honda Troll, that "worse" of 14.9 you listed for Car and Driver,was actually the best they could get out of the car that day. So, its a best of 14.9 not a worse of 14.9

You know what'll shut up most of these non-belivers, DMC 12? Ask the S2000 guy if he'd autocross against you. Set up a course in a parking lot early in the morning when nobody is around, and you each get three attempts to post the quickest time. You beat him in the twisties and then everybody shuts up (and wonders where the hell you found a way to take 400lbs out of a Delorean and how you could afford adjustabl Koni coilovers). If not, then you can just shrug it off and say, "Shit, the S2000's a better cornering car than the Delorean. Glad I can take him off the line or he'd toast me completely on the circuit."

See, it's no big deal.

Okay, we already know the Delorean is lightened, and TV suggests maybe it has new cams.

Frankly, you don't know what DMC12 or previous owners have done with that engine. It could have been torn down, professionally ported, internally spun balanced, the compression jacked up, the ignition completely reworked, and had everything dipped with thermal coating. He could have an open 2" dual exhaust system, with just enough back pressure to preserve his low end torque.

My point being, for all you know, he could be making more power than the S2000. It's highly unlikely that he is, but he is certainly lighter, and has more usable torque, and probably more peak torque. His car is NOT STOCK.

Also, you don't know what the conditions were of the race. It could have been slippery, which would benefit the Delorean, in that he could ease away while the S2000 was spinning it's tires from launching hard. You just don't know, so don't go insinuating it's bullshit. Honda's are not the fastest cars, so don't think it's so unbelievable that the fastest Honda could be beaten by a Delorean.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Good gosh loosen up a bit. Learn to decipher context as well as sarcastic comments. It had no serious intent. Just a jibe to help lenghten thread. Im glad your family drives fords, my family has a mix of mostly Toyotas, a couple Fords and a couple Saturns( darn guess those are chevys). I personaly have my cobra, a 1991 civic and a 89 toyota pickup. There is no doubt in my mind that hondas are quality cars. Consumer report just released the top longest lasting brands of cars. It went in this order, Lexus, Acura toyota and honda. Just think that they are better suited for daily commute, sure they can be made fast, anything can be made fast.
:eek: ....... you .......own a 4g........... shut up......... (I apolagize for my rude comment) misunderstanding. But you have to admit thats the way it seemed, due to the currect discussion. Also I would like to add to honda troll. T.V. is a friend of mine, I have never known him to be a liar. If he says the s2k was beat, it most likely was. (I would have gotten into this a long time ago if I thought differently) but I see how you could be skeptical.:)

Incidentally, I just got home from cruising around town with my friend in his 2002 S2000. A modified '99-'00 Civic Si tried to test us on the freeway. The S2 just pulled on the Civic and my friend just stayed in fourth...and my friend was barely trying. All the S2 has is an AEM CAI. I can't wait till he gets the turbo kit next month:D. I'll put an update on how fast it is then:sun:.

Plus, we had a good laugh at this dark green '93-'95 Altima with a bright yellow Supra-style wing, and just-as-bright yellow trimming all over his car...this f**ker tried to test us on the freeway, and when my friend decided he didn't want to waste his gas(and that he couldn't drive right...he was laughing so hard), the idiot followed us off the freeway. My friend stayed at an even 45 in a 40...and guess what? The fool pulled away from us probably hitting 80 from the looks of it(slowly, I might add)...and got pulled over:rolleyes:. HAHA.

Porsches suck especially the 924 ha ha ha....:uhoh:ha..... notices no one is laughing.... runs away screaming:help:

Originally posted by hybridsol

:eek: ....... you .......own a 4g........... shut up......... (I apolagize for my rude comment) misunderstanding. But you have to admit thats the way it seemed, due to the currect discussion. Also I would like to add to honda troll. T.V. is a friend of mine, I have never known him to be a liar. If he says the s2k was beat, it most likely was. (I would have gotten into this a long time ago if I thought differently) but I see how you could be skeptical.:)




No problem. It seems any time I say something about an import people usually assume Im bashing a Honda. Sure If you have the skill and the money to make a Honda fast, and make it look clean, which you have done, then I think its pretty cool. Its just the other 90% of civcs running around with the usual body mods thinking there the stuff, that I get irritated at. And its usualy those type that get on here and start trashing mustangs, saying there slow junk. Its then that I begin the routine of reminding them that civics are econo boxes, best suited for daily commute. So, truce, Ya, I have a 1991 civic dx. Its been a pretty good reliable car to have 145k miles. Only have had to change both cv driveshafts.

hybridsol: i think you posted this before, but i forgot, and am too lazy to go look around for it. so can you please give me a quick overview of your car(and specs), and how in the world you only spent 4 grand to run what? 12's? i'm very very interested. and how about more pics of your car?

Originally posted by RACER D12
Porsches suck especially the 924 ha ha ha....:uhoh:ha..... notices no one is laughing.... runs away screaming:help:

I don't know how you could say such a thing! Porsche is the greatest auto manufacturer! Also, the 924 pimps people for gas money ;)

Originally posted by fatninja19
hybridsol: i think you posted this before, but i forgot, and am too lazy to go look around for it. so can you please give me a quick overview of your car(and specs), and how in the world you only spent 4 grand to run what? 12's? i'm very very interested. and how about more pics of your car?
I think we went over this before.........like a few times......... its a b18c1 balanced and blueprinted (the motor was blown when I got it) ask TV I camp out in junkyards. (seats) there is a rather large turbo on the vehicle, but most of the power is derived from internal work. As for pictures, I will try to dig some up, but its not the prettiest thing in the world and I'm not to proud of the exterior at the moment. I'm shure dohc has more pictures if he wants to present them. I didint take many shots of the CRX the ones I do have are on film so I'll have to scan them. PS- porche owns. (period) and I love factory honda wheels, they are lighter than most aftermarket with the exception of spoon.

j/p CBASS

so whats up with the 924 you get it yet or you still looking

Yeup, it's a NA with a lot of custom work done on it... actually, I still haven't paid for it yet, I have to work out arrangements for getting it to my house, and it needs a fair bit of work.

Still, the 924 pwns j00!

Originally posted by hybridsol

I love factory honda wheels, they are lighter than most aftermarket with the exception of spoon.
woops wrong thread.....

why kind of wheels do you use hybridsol?

and it finally spins off topic completly :p

And on that note, audio slave is mass bad ass, all extra cool to be listening as you cruse....

and man....I wish I had a car that gets the attention of the delorian, and handles like it. Guess I will need a better job just so I can build my stang...handling of a lotus, speed of a diablo, style of a classic....yesss..... *evil grin*

Hey guess what? Some dude approached me Saturday night and mentioned the S2000 debate. I thought "Holy shit! This is random!!!"

Well, he cleared up a few things... It looks like we're the topic of discussion over on the S2000 board (http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93792). That is where nHobbes, c steve, and honda troll came from.

I told him that they're all welcome to come over to In-N-Out Saturday night in Oxnard and discover the truth for themselves. However, I'm not interested in anything that is modified. I'm only interested in "stock for stock" comparisons. Sure I have some weight reduction on my DMC, but that is my compensation for the 98,000 miles I have on my engine. Sound fair? :flipa: :D

Hey guess what? Some dude approached me Saturday night and mentioned the S2000 debate. I thought "Holy shit! This is random!!!"

lol :hehe: those S2k people have no lives, why cant they just accept it and move on in life.

P.S Honda S2000's SUCK(just to piss them off) :hehehe:

Originally posted by fatninja19
why kind of wheels do you use hybridsol?
stock wheels, but I want spoon black- russian tank metal owns.

hybridsol, how much do your stock rims weigh?

Oh, and by the way I HAD to loose to a modded 2002 Golf on the freeway this weekend because he got up to 140 in traffic... DUMB DUMB DUMB!!! (sorry dude).

Originally posted by DMC12
hybridsol, how much do your stock rims weigh?

Oh, and by the way I HAD to loose to a modded 2002 Golf on the freeway this weekend because he got up to 140 in traffic... DUMB DUMB DUMB!!! (sorry dude).
ive heard 8.7 - 9lbs.
8.7 from a reliable proffesor, but 9 just seems more probable to me?

DMC you must find this Vdubber.........and smoke him, like the german bastard he is........if not for me do it for your country and for dohc......his family was killed by a violent tribe of vw engineer's.......

Originally posted by hybridsol

ive heard 8.7 - 9lbs.
8.7 from a reliable proffesor, but 9 just seems more probable to me?

DMC you must find this Vdubber.........and smoke him, like the german bastard he is........if not for me do it for your country and for dohc......his family was killed by a violent tribe of vw engineer's.......
.....its true they attacked our village under the cover of night- they left no one alive, and they ate my mother and my dog skip. (sob)

I'm the freeway flyer, I was there, we know it was 140 because I hit my speed limiter....he was still pulling away like a baboon who's head lit on fire....mass hauling of balls...

We can beat him, but i'll need a gun to shoot out a tire :p

Uh, I'm lost???

Originally posted by DemonZX
Uh, I'm lost???
Re-cap:

I have an awesome weekend and win a race.

S2000 owners everywhere get upset and flame AF.

We retaliate and put them in their place.

Misc. sub-discussions occur, such as similar wins against s2000s.

More flaming from s2000 drivers.

Rear-engine Del Sols with lightweight wheels captivate cbass, TV and hybrid.

I meet up with another S2000 owner and we discuss the race, then later that night I get voluntarily beaten by a VW going over 140 in traffic.

We plot revenge on the 140mph VW.

Can I just 4x4 his kruat machine into a Belgian waffle?:D


Nothing ruins a day like seeing 5000+lbs of RedNeck ontop of your car.

OK, I am governed at around 155..."I'll go!" That can be taken away easily....Then look out 160! I'll bury the needle! uh, where do you live?...I'm an idiot....ok later.........Click!

Originally posted by DemonZX
OK, I am governed at around 155..."I'll go!" That can be taken away easily....Then look out 160! I'll bury the needle! uh, where do you live?...I'm an idiot....ok later.........Click!
Hehehe :lol2: That was funny! Thanks Demon :wave: This thread is getting a little more friendly... which is the way it started out. I still remember smiling from ear to ear while thrashing through those gears in the race. I gotta say, that S owner was much cooler than the flamers we had appear on here.

Heheh, they were flamers all right ;)

I'm going to stand up for German cars here... I love all German cars, including VWs, but only if they're 4Motion VWs, or Karmann Ghias... or 1600 Superbeetles.

Whoah... don't get me wrong, I like German cars, too (I've owned 3 Mercedes and a VW in the past). :frog:

its all about the Volkswagen THING!!! My friend has one(grey with maroon rollbars) with a pretty stock 1600, lifted and on 32's or 33 inch tires... MAJOR attention getter.

Exellent FatNinja! Exellent!

My friend has a Beetle that runs 11's. I don't know what he has done so don't ask, but it does+it's on the bottle. He told me to "go grab my bag over by the back fender." So, I was like "ok," and I picked it up and there is a big ass blue NOS Nitrous tank starring right in my right eye! Why my right eye, well, because I was making sure my friend didn't puke on my foot, out of my left! (we were very drunk @ his place)

Peace ASS! CLICK!

Ah, sounds like a lot of nights I can remember... or can't remember :D

I was like

:apuke::badass:

my avatar says it all and yes i've owned a VW or as I liked to call them "satans trick on the world". I have never seen so many problems with a car in my life, plus the way the motor is built. its like a giant puzzle they put things where they thought it was convieniant at the time. ruf and Porche different story badass car, VW's were made by the devil...

Just never forget these facts, DOHC;
Volkswagen Beetle=Porsche 356.
Volkswagen Beetle creator: Professor Ferdinand Porsche.
Controlling investor in Porsche: Volkswagen AG Group
Porsche Cayenne=Volkwagen Tourag

and most importantly

MGB= lifelong commitment to buying parts that were officially declared obsolete and potentially dangerous when they were introduced. (lever action friction shocks, anyone) You know I love you Layla. :angel:

Did you own a 78 rabbit or something? All the VWs I've had experience with have been astounding as far as build quality, reliability and even performance(for their market segment).

Yeah, his is petty much just built for racing. He did everthing himself, so it's pretty much custom. When I talk to him next I'll get him to tell me all what he has done. It only has a 3 Gal. fuel cell in the front. The rest I have no idea. He works at a race shop....hmmm, I just now realized it....I should utilize his skills more often.

Well, if you strip a beetle out it weighs something like 1500 lbs, so it doesn't take that much power to make them fast.

A very interesting swap is the VW Beetle/Subaru flat 4 swap. Even the naturally aspirated scooby swaps make a beetle very fast.

All I know is it's turbocharged and shot with some nitrous. You can't really drive it anywhere. We went to go to the track, and we had to fill up twice...on the way. We had to fill twice again on the way back.

Originally posted by Octagon
Just never forget these facts, DOHC;
Volkswagen Beetle=Porsche 356.
Volkswagen Beetle creator: Professor Ferdinand Porsche.
Controlling investor in Porsche: Volkswagen AG Group
Porsche Cayenne=Volkwagen Tourag

and most importantly

MGB= lifelong commitment to buying parts that were officially declared obsolete and potentially dangerous when they were introduced. (lever action friction shocks, anyone) You know I love you Layla. :angel:
ruf and VW are two different companys with very different engineering(that was a long time ago).......... and VW still sucks my hog.......have you ever worked on a VR 6?

Porshe is no longer sharing parts (from what I've been told) with Volkwagen. I know their styling studio is shared by VW & Audi, as well as their engineering-testing dept. (at least the one in Westlake). I like VWs but their long-term reliability, resale value and sticker price leave a lot to be desired:o

its audi, bently, bugatti, lambo, seat, skoda and VW = VW AG

True, but only Audi & VW designers work in the same building (in Simi). Lamborghini doesn't really share designers with other makes, unless they involve an outside designer like Guigaro or Pininfarina.

I almost bought a new VW in 2001, but the dealership manager in Pasadena said "since they are imported from Mexico we need to add an extra $2,500 on to the final price." I laughed, left and then reported them to VW of America. Nice looking cars, though.

Originally posted by DMC12
True, but only Audi & VW designers work in the same building (in Simi). Lamborghini doesn't really share designers with other makes, unless they involve an outside designer like Guigaro or Pininfarina.

I agree just b/c they are all under that roof dosent mean they have the same engineering.

All right, I'll admit I've never torn down the VR6 engine, but I can pull off the Beetle flat-four engine pull in 17min with hoist. :angel:

Seriously, though, Porsche grew out of Volkswagen, and the Volkswagen AG group (to me) is one of the most powerful and impressive engineering giants in the world. The way they OWNED Le Mans was simply stunning (if utterly boring). As their market share increases, costs of their cars will come down. Remember, VW had almost no market share in the non-luxury market before the introduction of the New Beetle. Once people started to notice how good the cars were, and how motivated VW lots were to get Passats and Jettas off their property, the market share grew unexpectedly. It's interesting, I must admit, that for a company that has sold more of one model of car than most other companies have sold period VW has such a problem dealing with high volume selling.

Yeah, but most people have absolutely no taste in cars...

And most people have silly allegiances to makes and countries, that prevent them from even looking at most cars! I have suggested lots of cars to people who have said things like

"No, I don't want a Ford"
"It's not Japanese!"
"Why would I want a RWD car?"

Stupid shit like that... :(

Oh, I completely agree with you Cbass, I remember when I cracked the head on the old GTC. I was on a delivery for work when it happened. Now the head gasket went and caused the engine to overheat and I never noticed until I got off the exit. I could have saved the head if I checked my temp gauge. Anyhow, my boss said that is why I don't buy American cars, because Honda is by far more reliable. That pissed me off so much that I turned around and said, that is the most ignorant and uneducated statement I have heard in a long time. Now the head gasket went at 140,000 miles, I would say that is pretty DAMN good for a car with a turbo. I then told him that any car with a turbo is prone to blow head gaskets even Honda, and most of the time they blow long before 140,000 miles. I said reliability has more to do with the driver than the car in most cases. I said give me day with your Honda and I can make it the most unreliable car you have ever driven. I then told him that he needs to stop making comments on thing he doesn't know jack shit about.

That kind of crap just pisses me off to no end. I hate ignorance with a passion.

Yeup, every manufacturer makes reliable cars, unreliable cars, fast cars, slow car, you name it. Same with countries, you can't really say that Japanese cars are better than American cars, or that German cars are better than both, because there are good and bad examples.

I am of the opinion that overall, Germany produces the best cars, and the prices reflect this. However, there were the Opels and Audis of the 70s, many of which had horrible reliability.

Many people say Fords are unreliable, and I bet a few are. I have an 86 Aerostar with 260,000 kms on it, original everything, except for the starter and the tires of course. It's starting a little hard in the mornings now, because it needs a new carb. This van has been through hell and back, and has been abused the whole time, yet it has never broken down. I'm replacing the engine with a 3.8 out of a Thunderbird Supercoupe, for better towing and overall performance.

Originally posted by Cbass
Yeah, but most people have absolutely no taste in cars...

And most people have silly allegiances to makes and countries, that prevent them from even looking at most cars! I have suggested lots of cars to people who have said things like

"No, I don't want a Ford"
"It's not Japanese!"
"Why would I want a RWD car?"

Stupid shit like that... :(
that was kind of biased, many ppl hate japanese cars. Lots of japanese cars are RWD.
The reason he hates VW is b/c he used to own one, and then his ex-girlfriend owned one. I recently had a bad experience with a 2.0 -4 cy. jetta, which one of my friends asked me to fix. I don't hate VW's but i've not had good experiences with them example-(VR6 - 2.0-4). Why anyone would design a motor like that is beyond my comprehension. My friend mark had a corrado that he referred to as "satan's asshole". So as you can see I have not had the best of experience with VW in the past........but i like ford. :D

Originally posted by hybridsol

blah blah blah.....more random shit...something about satains bunghole....but i like ford. :D

GT40 OWNZ JOO ALL!

I want a gt40

But I wont buy a suzuki...I dont like them, my personal preference :p

But none of the GT40's are for sale in the private sector, TV. All of the GT40's that are accounted for have found good hands with wealthy collectors who frequently campaign them in vintage racing events, except for the few Mark III road cars produced, they're in museums or collections. Period.

But you're talking about the new concept that's going into production soon, right? Guess what, Ford can't call the car the GT40. Safir GT40 Spares LTd, a company in Cinncinati that produces reproduction aluminum bodypanels and other parts for original GT40's copyrighted the GT40 name, something Ford never did in the 60's. They demanded $40 million from Ford in return for Ford's use of the name. Ford, not wanting to lose any more money in a stupid fashion this year, changed the name of the car. Now, it's just the Ford GT.

Isn't life strange?

Originally posted by Octagon

Isn't life strange?
yes octagon, yes it is.

The RWD/Ford/Japanese things were just random examples, not related in any way... I really only like RWD and AWD Japanese cars, with a few exceptions, like the Maxima, the MP3/Mazdaspeed Protege...

Yes, life is very strange, and often leaves me wondering... :confused:

I dont mean an origional, I mean a remake if I own it

Kits are fine by me if its got the balls of the origional :D

Those kits are all ass-expensive though. I looked at building one and it would cost nearly 40K!

Off the GT40 topic, but once I save $12g's... I'm gonna go buy one of those cobra replica kits and start putting it together.. they're so awesommmmme..

Get a Factory 5 kit, they're by far the best for the money. There are some slightly better kits out there, that duplicate the Cobra suspension completely, but they cost around $25K...

Factory 5 kits got for about $15K without engine or tranny, but with a differential and IRS setup from a T-Bird Supercoupe(like my van will soon have).

Something I've been thinking of... the Triton 6.8 liter V10... it makes about 310-320 hp stock, but I'm sure with raised compression, more duration, and a good porting job, that engine could make an easy 450hp. Available with a 6 speed truck tranny that can handle punishment like you would not believe, that would be one hell of a Cobra, and it's almost 7 liters too.

I'm thinking of getting an Attack kit... its an agressive looking custom car that weighs 1800 lbs.

Any links to that Attack kit, DMC?

www.k1-styling.sk

YOU TOLD THEM

NNNNNNOOOOOOOO!!

Yours must be green now....

To the best of my recollection, these little 2 seaters are mid engined, using a Prelude engine...

thats one option :D

I saw one on Autotrader... the one that uses the 3rd Gen Camaro chassis as the base...


They were offering it as a F40 Ferrari.... which it ressembles but fairly butt ugly compared to the F40. Although I'd dip it... cause its still a Camaro at heart ;)

everytime I read the thread title. I think of DMC12 having a fight with this hot blonde chick. its a funny mental image. sorry off topic....:D

I wanna see that :hehehe:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
everytime I read the thread title. I think of DMC12 having a fight with this hot blonde chick. its a funny mental image.
That would be cool! It would probably be my ex, and we'd both be drunk. What a bitch she was... but that is an entirely different thread:bloated:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
sorry off topic....:D
Yeah, what are you trying to do? j/k :p