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In Progress: Revell Porsche 993 (Aircooled Group Build)MPWR 08-20-2007, 10:02 PM And here finally is the other one: <AF Tribute Build, Part 2> One of the greatest things about this forum is the trading community. Take a look through the good traders thread and it's obvious what a terrific resource this community is. I've traded parts and decals with more people in more places than I can easily remember. Often I send out little bits of machined aluminum in thanks for help someone's given me- and often people insist they simply won't take anything in return. People's helpfulness and generousity here are stunning- and it's an honor and pleasure to be part of it. As a case in point, late last year I finished and posted a Fujimi 964. I enjoyed the build alot, but I lamented in the thread that when I bought it on Ebay years ago I had thought and hoped I was getting a 993. It turned out that a 993 (non GT2) in 1/24 was harder to come by than I had realized at that time, and since then I still had never managed to find one. But not long after my 964 post, another member here (who wants to remain unnamed) PMed me and told me he had one to spare that he really wasn't going to get to building, if I could give it a good home. Cheers again- I'm doing my best to give it that home. :wink: The Revell 993 (Italeri rebox) is a decent kit, but it could best be described as a good starting point for a build. There are some points however where it definitely needs some help. As another case in point, I posted a request in the classified thread for some headlight parts. It didn't take more than a day or so for two people to respond and offer me a set. And I thought I was going to have to go through Tamiya. Thanks guys! So for everyone who have offered or already provided me with help on this build (so far that's ScaleCentral, johanthemodeler, ddtham, klutz_100, and of course the very generous Sir_not_appearing_in_this_film), and everyone else I've traded with before- thanks guys. Hope you enjoy. :thumbsup: On to the build then. Once again, this build starts with bodywork and alot of primer. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-001.jpg The big challenge on this body is the nose. It's molded as a separate part from the rest of the body, and it was split off along the panel lines. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-002.jpg The 993 of course has very even (German car!) yet rather prominent panel lines- and a glued up seam just wasn't going to represent this well. So the nose was glued on, and the adjacent surfaces vigourously worked over with sanding sticks to even them out. The seam lines then had to be carefully engraved in with a PE scraper/saw. (The little grey spots under the headlights and at the Porsche badge are small guidance holes I drilled. Later they will help me locate the headlight washers and Porsche shield decal.) http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-008.jpg No small amount of work, especially as the geometry of the lines below the headlights is rather complicated. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-007.jpg Here it's starting to look pretty good- but there's a bit of a pit at the T corner by the right headlight. This had to be filled with CA, reprimed and rescribed. The side skirts were next. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-003.jpg Revell provides this detail as separate parts to be glued onto the lower edges of the sides. In studying pics of full scale 993s, I noticed that the rear edge of this seam blends ito the wheel arch- on the car it's not actually a seperate part at all. So back to fill, sand, prime, inspect, and repeat. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-004.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-005.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-006.jpg Took a little work, but finally they blended nicely with the wheel arches. And the last major issue was the wing mirrors. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-009.jpg The mirror pod stalks didn't really fit against the body. This is definately the sort of thing you want to catch before painting. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-010.jpg Each stalk had it's mounting pin removed, and was drilled out to accept a length of brass rod. The angle of the stalk mounting pads were corrected by filing them to shape, and new corresponding holes were drilled downwards in the doors for the rods to fit into. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-011.jpg Done, now they just need primer. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-012.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-013.jpg Here it all is ready for paint. I've been kind of working on this one in parallel with the 850- and so of course it got caught in the same painting weather holdup as the 850. But meanwhile there is other stuff to be working on.... http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-014.jpg Anyone want to guess what this will be? :rolleyes: Thanks for watchin'! klutz_100 08-21-2007, 12:09 AM http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-014.jpg Anyone want to guess what this will be? A grater for Parmesan cheese? A roller for straightening out spaghetti? auw12 08-21-2007, 12:23 AM That's spectacular Andy!! I always like the 993 and had never seen a 1/24 kit of it! Could you please show the box? And those are great bodyworks you've done there! As well as the mechanical part, that's quite sweet!!!! white97ex 08-21-2007, 10:26 AM It has definitely found a proper home and will be treated like a king I'm sure! Ferrari TR 08-21-2007, 03:10 PM I'm trying to guess if it was something... Now I'm going to have to look and see if my vert is the same type. gionc 08-21-2007, 03:11 PM A grater for Parmesan cheese? A roller for straightening out spaghetti? Yep: it's a tool to roll out some great 1/24 pasta: I'll try to set some 1/24 tomatos Andy, and some bonsai's basil: remember to keep your 1/24 wine and beers buddy. drunken monkey 08-21-2007, 03:11 PM I've got both versions of this kit; revell and italeri. I'll post pictures of the boxes when I get home tonight. I've a couple of these in progress as well and it's come to my attention that the engine in the 993 turbo is pretty much the same as found in the 964, with much of the newer engine being internal modifications. The only real departure is the turbo set-up and how the exhausts cross over to the opposite side. In short, an enthusiast kit's turbo engine block is a good starting point for those wanting to do a more detailed kit... Did you manage to source a set of Tamiya 996 Carrera wheels? These, I'm afraid, are even harder to come by than the 993 Turbo kit it seems. as for that pic: it took me a while at first but Holy Hell! I thought it was a drill/lathe bit at first but all I can say is wow. Y'know, I'm expecting you to machine proper sized 993 Turbo wheels now; if only because I would like a set. edit: for those that are interested. http://x7a.xanga.com/a4ad8b0a34d33143120996/w105762496.jpg http://xb4.xanga.com/a7fd9517d8530143120993/w105762493.jpg Porsche Carrera 08-21-2007, 08:53 PM I'm always curious what this kit looks like when finished. Are you planning to use teh Tamiya GT2 headlights? Btw, if you need a set of the Tamiya 996 rims, I have some that I'm willing to part with. Goodluck with this build. ddtham 08-21-2007, 10:15 PM I would certainly be following this one! stryfe101 08-21-2007, 10:27 PM http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-014.jpg Anyone want to guess what this will be? :rolleyes: I'm going to guess its the beginnings of the engine fan? I've been in Porsche mode for the last few months so I think thats what that part will become. Great work so far, I'm a Porsche fan thru and thru so I'll be watching this one. Gray MPWR 08-21-2007, 10:52 PM I'm going to guess its the beginnings of the engine fan? Got it! :grinyes: It's the hub for the cooling fan. (Someone else suggested it was 6th gear for a Getrag box. :naughty:) I'll try to post some pics of the fan and housing soon as I get the chance. I figured it would take another Porsche fan to get it. :lol: Porsche Carrera- I do have a set of the GT2 lenses and reflectors for this one, and they make a terrific difference. Oh, and you of course have a PM. :grinyes: drunken monkey- Looks like I found a source for the 996 wheels! :p Unfortunately, the complex curved facets put machining a set of these into the realm of CNC equipment. I'd been considering other options, including machining a set of Alpina style wheels- but I've been really wanting the Tamiya 996 wheels. I guess it's my factory stock fetish. :rolleyes: BVC500 08-21-2007, 11:27 PM drunken monkey- Looks like I found a source for the 996 wheels! :p Unfortunately, the complex curved facets put machining a set of these into the realm of CNC equipment. I'd been considering other options, including machining a set of Alpina style wheels- but I've been really wanting the Tamiya 996 wheels. I guess it's my factory stock fetish. :rolleyes: Did you find a source for the 996 wheels? If not, I have a spare set of wheels and tires. I was saving them for my 2nd boxster, but boxster's stock wheels will suffice. So, if you need them, PM me your address. zak78 08-22-2007, 02:07 PM Did you measure where the sideskirt would fully blend with the body, to make them even from side to side, or did you just eyeball it really well? Spots like that always look a little challenging to me, since I'm afraid of making them asymmetrical by mistake. auw12 08-23-2007, 01:23 AM Thank you DM but I cannot see your pics... that's a pity... bigfrit 08-23-2007, 06:17 AM Very good starting point, my sir! I would like to point out that you'd better trim the window rubbers on this little sportscar... Also, the rear looks very 964-ish, shouldn't the lateral curve on the rear be curved a bit inwards instead of outwards? rod_k2 08-23-2007, 09:00 AM Sorry for the noobish question,but it's that I just can't stay quiet... :p Is this kit rare?! And if it is,wich version is more common? Italieri or Revell's? DasWiesel 08-23-2007, 07:22 PM This thread could get very interesting again! :D CifeNet 08-24-2007, 12:12 AM I can see how great models come out... Spend 90% of the time preparing and 10% of actual painting! I am addicted to see more! Good progress so far and keep up the good work. godfather23 08-24-2007, 05:44 AM Another interesting build from you... And you always seem to manage to start models I always wanted to do. Well, I sit back and try to learn as much as possible... - Now I just need to get one of these kits - MPWR 08-29-2007, 12:28 PM I can see how great models come out... Spend 90% of the time preparing and 10% of actual painting! Absolutely spot on correct. :grinyes: At least that's my philosophy anyway- and fortunately it tends to work for me. zak78- I didn't worry alot about matching them up. It's geometricly impossible to view them both at the same time, so as long as they looked close I figured they'd be fine. Obviously having them grossly different wouldn't work, but I spent more effort trying to get them to look right (properly rouded, no flat spots, and seam invisible where it should be blended). However the seams do in fact disappear at the same points. :p rod_k2- Can't say which is less common, but both versions are rare enough that I've never managed to come across either. But that doesn't at all mean that they're not out there- really I just gave up looking a few years back. The late summer weather here has been predictably unpredictable. Occasional perfect beautiful days puctuated with days or weeks of heat and humidity. I'm getting paint work done, but of course progress is being split between the 993 and 850. Both are moving forward, but neither fast. Ironicly now, the longer I wait the more consistently good the weather gets. So they will both get done, it's only a matter of when....:rolleyes: The 993 will be CobraColors pearl black. Here's what it looks like with the first mist coats on. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-015.jpg Again, the same technique as on the 850 is used here. As soon as the first bit of color is applied, any texture, flaws and details in the primer are suddenly much easier to see (and address). Fortunately, the 993 has a (relatively) simple body of mostly convex curves. There are few inside corners and no Pininfarina style NACA intakes here- which just makes the bodywork easier. There was little on this body that needed attention when painting started. :p The paint has no real gloss of it's own- it has a matte finish and will definately require a clearcoat. But the curves atop the headlight nacelles are already reflecting light. I can only guess (and hope) that this is from the metallic elements lying flat and planar on a smooth surface- and indication that I've done stuff right here. But only time and clearcoat will tell! Time for some more then. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-016.jpg Here the paint is a bit deeper, but still not opaque. The reflectivity here is being carried nicely on all the upper surfaces. So far so good.... Done. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-017.jpg Really, there is close to a week between the first pic above and these. But the color application is finished, and the body is ready for clearcoat. The color is applied here only deep enough to be truely opaque, and no deeper. Acrylic laquers tend to have very high opacity, and only a very thin layer is needed- so the color here is really more of a film of tint atop the primer than a 'layer' of paint. Applying the color intentionally thin like this means that there's less chance of the paint itself developing texture, puddles, drips and so on. But it means that the quality of the surface is dependant on a good primer surface. And of course it will need a significant layer of clearcoat- obviously to add shine and depth, but also to protect the paint. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-018.jpg Meanwhile, about that engine fan.... 911's are known for their tight and tidy engine installations. It's always amazed me that Porsche has been able to find room to install a turbo system around some of them. As such, 911 engines by their nature are difficult to see, and turbo engines even more so. The 993 turbo engine is covered from below by an aero tray, and above by a large intercooler- so there's almost nothing that can be seen. http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/177367/TC-1102.05.jpg (I guess there must be an engine in there somewhere. :sly: It'd be fun to change the plugs though, wouldn't it? :evillol:) Never the less, Italeri very gamely included a decent little attempt at an engine facade (and an intercooler to hide it under). http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-019.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-020.jpg Really about all that can possibly be seen of the real engine are the airconditioning compressor, the coil pack (maybe), the accessory drive pulleys, and of course that iconic intake fan common to all Porsche aircooled boxers. The 993 is of course the very last of the aircooled 911's- so it seems fitting to give this detail some attention. Italeri's attempt is good (other than the fact it has ten blades! :uhoh: :rolleyes:). But I like mine better. :grinyes: http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-022.jpg The mysterious machined part is of course the core for the fan itself. The Slots in it were cut to accept 0.010" styrene strip, which were then shaped to fit into the turned shroud. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-021.jpg The engine gets built into the back end of the chassis- so starting the detail work for real has to wait until the chassis is clearcoated and ready for further steps. But I'll certainly have more pics then. Thanks for watchin'. :wink: stryfe101 08-29-2007, 01:23 PM man, that fan is really going to jazz that engine bay up a bit! great work on it, I think i'm going to try my hand at dremel machining to see if I can come up with something better than the molded part on the Fujimi em kits....thier attempt at a fan looks worse than the wrong bladed Revell part! Excellent work so far, and I like the color too. Looking forward to seeing more. Gray godfather23 08-29-2007, 01:24 PM I´m really liking everything I see. And thanks again for showing us you achieve these nice paint jobs of yours. About the fan: This is a little crazy to machine this part if only 1/4 of it can be seen...Fantastic, I love it. :eek: zak78 08-29-2007, 01:31 PM Fantastic fan! I hope we'll be able to see some of it after the installation of that picnic table, I mean intercooler ;) drunken monkey 08-29-2007, 01:53 PM This is a little crazy to machine this part if only 1/4 of it can be seen... yeah, but aftewards, if he mounts it correctly, he can pick up the model and blow on the fan and watch it spin! Martin S 08-29-2007, 01:59 PM So you found the Holy Grail among 911-kits ! Its looking very good so far. The fan blades are just sick.. Are the kit wheels no good, or why are you looking for 996 wheels? Scuderia. 08-31-2007, 06:26 AM Nice progress so far. Are you going to weather the visible part of the engine or leave it pretty clean? drunken monkey 08-31-2007, 06:33 AM My biggest question is, are you going to try and make the varioram intake for the top of the engine? robrex 08-31-2007, 07:20 AM That fan looks sensational! MidMazar 08-31-2007, 04:23 PM Every part you make you should make a double so i can buy it. I still haven't touched my f40 lights you made me, can't wait to though. Once again, this should be a nice build. GTmike400 09-02-2007, 12:41 PM Nice work on the cooling fan Andy. That helical piece is very nice. How did you cut it? MPWR 09-03-2007, 12:04 PM Thanks everyone! yeah, but aftewards, if he mounts it correctly, he can pick up the model and blow on the fan and watch it spin! I tried that- :grinyes: it spins very well mounted on a rod. Unfortunately the cowling has a solid back, which obviously allows no airflow through it- so if the fan's in the cowling it won't spin even with a compressor blasting it. The varioram is the intake manifold atop the engine? I neither really have the resources to do it justice, nor would it be at all visible under the intercooler, I think. Scuderia- I'll wash and drybrush parts on the engine to help emphasise their shapes. There won't really be enough engine visible to get across 'well used' or 'well cared for', but washes and the like can really help show off what is there. GTmike400- the fan hub is 0.250 alu rod, about 0.150 thick. The rod was chucked in the rotary table, and each slot was cut with a 0.010 slitting saw held at 45 deg. Make sense? Martin S- The wheels aren't great, and the tires are terrible. While the wheels might be made to be usable with some work, I wanted to be sure I'd have something I'd really be happy with. Just a small update today, as I've managed little lately other than clearcoating. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-023.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-024.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-025.jpg My favorite PPG Duracryl clearcoat, with lots and lots of reducer. Gravity feed Badger 100, 15 psi. It has about six coats on here, and wil probably have a total of 10 when it's done. The apearence really stays the same after maybe the third or fourth coat, and everything else is just for protection. It already has a very nice shine, but it will definately benefit from some polishing. In some places you can see the very slight surface 'haze'. Technically this is similar to 'orange peel'- where surface tension didn't quite allow the clearcoat surface to be absolutely planar as it dried. But it's of a small enough magnitude that some quick rubbing with medium polishing compound takes care of it beautifully. This means I don't have to mess with abrasive cloths, which I find to be a terrific advantage. For one thing the polishing process is much gentler than sanding, so I have a greatly reduced chance of burn through. Additionally, I've never really been able to completely remove all the fine scratching that sanding creates to my satisfaction- even with sanding all the way to 12000 I can still usually see them. With just compound, the scratches are never created to begin with. It will be a week or two before I get around to polishing, but I'll post some outdoor pics then. :sunglasse klutz_100 09-03-2007, 12:43 PM Smooth paint :thumbsup: Shitty photos though - buy yourself a camera buddy ;) Murray Kish 09-03-2007, 08:11 PM Nice. Waiting for more!! Murray mrawl 09-04-2007, 04:22 AM Very cool painting technique. What size nozzle are you using on the Badger? 924_CarreraGTS 09-04-2007, 04:40 AM This is looking great (as always). You mention that compound will remove the surface hazing, but when I tried this (on Tamiya acryls) it screwed the paint up and made it look orange-peely when it hadn't been before (thanks to proper paint application at last). Is it just the type of paint? I hope you do justice to this car (though it seems certain you will). The 993 turbo (or actually twin-turbo) was a fearsome beast and, IMO, the last of the great Porsches. Granted, the new ones are pretty nice, but the aircooled heritage is special. Alex MPWR 09-18-2007, 02:45 PM There- 10 coats of clear, polished and waxed. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-026.jpg Makes a bit of a difference- compare it with the last pic above. Now, how is that 850 going to look polished out...? :rolleyes: mrawl- I'm spraying the clearcoat (as well as the paint and primer) through a medium nozzle and needle. The clearcoat is applied two coats at a time (assuming no debris appears), with at least two hours between clearcoating sessions. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-027.jpg After outgassing, the clearcoat was polished with Tamiya coarse. After all haze texture was gone, the coarse was followed up with McGuire's ScratchX and then Tamiya finish, and then it was waxed with Zymol. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-028.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-029.jpg All right Stevenski, just for you- my further attempts to take a decent pic. You'll let me know if I get one? :p http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-030.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-031.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-032.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-033.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-034.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-035.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-036.jpg Well OK, photography skills (or lack thereof) aside, you get the idea. It's kinda bright and shiney now. The next step will be to mask and paint the window surrounds and turn signal/taillight reflectors. Thanks for watchin'! nicecar 09-18-2007, 02:53 PM Wow man, i could sit here and read your threads all day... just amazing. klutz_100 09-18-2007, 03:08 PM All right Stevenski, just for you- my further attempts to take a decent pic. You'll let me know if I get one? :p Sure will! :evillol: (OK, they're great now! :D) bigfrit 09-18-2007, 03:26 PM Ooh, glossy! MPWR 09-20-2007, 05:50 PM Small update today- but I guess every bit counts. Time for the window surrounds. I like to leave them for after the body is polished and waxed- that way the paint is protected from any possible overspray issues or the like. All the surrounds get masked with Tamiya tape- accept no substitiutes. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-037.jpg Then, I use house painting tape to cover the adjacent body areas. It's wide, cheap, and behaves well. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-038.jpg Lastly, the surrounds themselves are gently sanded. On the waxed polished clearcoat, the surround color may have difficulty adhering. This often results in chipping when the tape is peeled up. Sanding the surrounds also ensures there will be no leftover texture on these areas, as I often don't give them much attention as I'm polishing out the rest of the body. Just before painting, the tape edges are re-burnished with a toothpick to make sure the tape is still adhering everywhere it should be. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-039.jpg I painted the surrounds with flat black acrylic, sprayed lightly. Again, it's much better to do four mist coats then one heavy coat. This way wet paint doesn't get the chance to pool anywhere and creep under the masking. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-040.jpg It can be hard to see where sufficient paint has been applied spraying black on black. Fortunately, the masking gives a convenient reference- when it's blackened, the surrounds likely are too. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-041.jpg Done. The flat black shows alot of contrast versus the highly polished body color, but this is how I want it. It's better than the surrounds not being visible at all, and they will be less noticable when the windows and interior are installed. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-042.jpg And here's a little bit of overspray carelessness (down on the sideskirt). :uhoh: http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-043.jpg Fortunately this rubs of quickly and easily. After all the masking and painting is done (I still have one more step- the taillights and turn signals) I'll lightly polish the body again with Tamiya Finish compound to clean up any unseen overspray and residual adhesive. Starting to look a bit like a Porsche.... (How're these, Ski? I may have learned a new trick with this camera, and I think I'm getting better results. But since you piqued my paranoia, you get to critique! :wink:) drunken monkey 09-20-2007, 06:03 PM use the zoom luke, use the zoom".... That's what I prefer to do. It means I am never in between model and light source and the narrower angle means the object (car) picks up more reflections of the surrounding. well, when you're not in a largely white room with nothing on the walls, that is. I still say the rear arches aren't as wide as they should be. Maybe one day I'll stop saying this and actually go check. And I have a bad feeling that you'll finish your 993 turbo before I finish mine, even though I started maybe a year ago. klutz_100 09-20-2007, 09:44 PM Nice one! Have you tried BMF for window seals? Works like a dream! Also, you could try out Model Master Chrome Trim paint one day - it's beautiful paint for this job IMO (How're these, Ski? I may have learned a new trick with this camera, and I think I'm getting better results. MUCH better - keep twiddling those dials R2D2!! Your work is way too good not to deserve being shown as well as possible. But since you piqued my paranoia, you get to critique! :wink:) That's what friend are for :iceslolan Remember when I got my new camera? At first I was really disappointed and my photos were worse than before. A couple of hours experimenting with settings and reading the manual really helped :D (and it's got a totally awesome macro-mode!). I still have a ways to go though :lol: MPWR 03-12-2008, 05:13 PM Well, this one's been stalled for a while. Yeah, I'm adding it in with the Aircooled Group Build- seems appropriate as the 993 Turbo had arguably the greatest and last evolution of the aircooled engine. So it's time to get on now with the hot bit at the back! http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Clarkson-Burns-Tongue-Porsche-Pipe-Video-b.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSRy3ZY2W8M) (Click if you haven't seen Clarkson's illustration of where the engine is on a 911) So when we left it last, we had the kit parts for the engine facade- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-020.jpg -and parts for a new fan. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-022.jpg This is how it looks painted up and installed. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-044.jpg Off to a decent start. These are the only other parts the kit supplies for the engine- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-045.jpg On the right is the air intake/cleaner, and I'm really not sure what the bit on the left is (obviously some air handling component or other). But painted up they look decent enough. And the fan and alternator drive pulleys also need to be added. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-046.jpg All together now, it does at least get the idea across that it's a 911 engine. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-047.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-048.jpg A compact yet random looking assortment of arbitrary but purposeful looking shapes. :dunno: I've searched for months for decent references for Porsche engines. The standard ones I think I can follow, but the turbo units are simply a nightmare of complication. But I suppose they've just never really been intended to be shown off- at least not visually. :rolleyes: But one thing I did find that will be visible (more or less) is the ignition system. Somewhat to my surprise, I found that the 993 didn't actually have a solid state ignition system (like say, BMW or Ferrari were using at the time). No, it was a real mechanical distributor- rotor, cap and everything. In fact, the twin spark engines in non-turbo 993s actually have two separate independent distributors- with independent coils and wires and plugs, just like an airplane engine. But it seems appropriate enough. Why shouldn't the last great aircooled engine have a traditional ignition system? And since the distributor sits just to the left of the intake fan, I thought it would be worth a bit of effort. To start, the kit part (see above) wasn't worth much. So, time to machine another. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-049.jpg I've been trying to come up with a good way of making 90 deg plug wire boots for several years now- and this is what I've finally come up with. I've cut small slots in the end of small diameter brass rod, and epoxied them onto the ends of wire. The wire measures out to 7mm in 1/1, and the brass rod 'boots' come out to 3/4" in diameter- so it's really very much in scale. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-050.jpg Fully assembled and painted. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-051.jpg And to handle the plug wires routed over the cooling fan- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-052.jpg These are the smallest parts I've machined yet (and it is getting a bit silly). It's the same brass rod I used for the plug boots, with slits cut in to make wire combs. All wired up! http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-053.jpg Yes, I did it with the proper firing order (I think!), but it's completely impossible to tell by looking at it. :rolleyes: http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-054.jpg http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-055.jpg And most of it will still get hidden under the huge picnic table of an intercooler that gets mounted over everything. But I think it will get the idea across. Still to come will be the A/C compressor and fan belts. Just don't try sticking it in your mouth. :grinno: Thanks for watchin', more soon (I hope). sportracer02 03-12-2008, 05:17 PM Fan and wiring looks cool !! ddtham 03-12-2008, 05:43 PM tsk tsk tsk Andy... I wished you would have sent me that wonderful fan for my 959 Group Build, they look awesome! Absolutely love the wiring too. Do you by any chance will finish this one soon?? Hopefully this build will inspire others to participate in the Air-cooled GB, seems like this GB is not as popular as last year's. Joe Blyth 03-12-2008, 07:23 PM Nice to see this one again. I really need to work on my part of the GB too! bigfrit 03-12-2008, 07:37 PM Oh wow, you're doing pretty awesome stuff to that model... I want a 911 993 too :-( Glad to see it's in good hands, and you're building it to every freaking detail right! Happy Modeling! klutz_100 03-13-2008, 03:42 AM Looking good, Andy :thumbsup: I like your "wiring jig" - good idea. For the 90-degree plug boots, you might want to visit your neighbor at RMoM :D I picked up some of his 90deg boots and they are very nice! (I also picked up some spark plugs :uhoh: ) Another thought that came to was using the plastidrip(?) stuff that Robrex uses on his 1/12s. The effect in that scale is bloody awesome but I don't know how it would work in 1/24... drunken monkey 03-15-2008, 12:14 AM two quick things: in this pic http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/andrejmiller/993-055.jpg the tube/pipe that goes into the air filter is circular with a bit of a bend in it. the small opening at the front of the airbox is usually a (shiney) metal part, which apparently makes up part of the "induction kit" that they charged a couple of grand for. other than that, nice job. next time I build one, I'll have a better idea of what needs doing... 914joe 02-03-2009, 10:23 PM Nice!!! Paint looks awesome... 10 coats of clear and it don't look thick anywhere:cool: Nice transformation on that motor too. Keep up the good work. Joe MPWR 02-04-2009, 08:39 PM Wow, this one could stand an update! Hmm, where was I...? 10 coats of clear and it don't look thick anywhere:cool: Ten coats would be generous- more like ten 'applications'. :rolleyes: I tend to spray paint and clearcoat very heavily reduced, so it takes me while to get much buildup. :rolleyes: 360spider 02-04-2009, 08:56 PM I tend to spray paint and clearcoat very heavily reduced, so it takes me while to get much buildup. :rolleyes: Andy, what is the rationale behind this? brando590 02-04-2009, 09:02 PM Yup. Looked at a friends' and your firing order looks correct. Nice.:grinyes: MPWR 02-04-2009, 09:25 PM Andy, what is the rationale behind this? Because it goes on smoooooth, and so I have to put very little effort into polishing it. I loathe micromesh, and I'd rather put the patience and effort into application instead of grinding out orangepeel. Yup. Looked at a friends' and your firing order looks correct. Nice. :lol: Thanks! Nice to have it verified. Ralphymeyer 02-12-2009, 08:43 AM wow, you really are doing justice to the 993. Absolutely loving it! BVC500 05-20-2009, 08:46 PM How's it coming along? Get to the interior yet? I just purchased a Italeri 993 cabrio, and just noticed that the many of the interior parts are carry-over from the previous generation Porsche 911! I didn't notice this before on my 993 Turbo. The steering wheel is an easy fix, because the 993 uses the same steering wheel as a Boxster or 996. The door panels and seats need modifying. Also, the rear fenders are the same size on the cabrio as on the turbo. Doesn't the turbo have widened rear fenders? Or maybe the cabrio's fenders are the same size as the turbo?? I suspect not, since the cabrio model came out first. drunken monkey 05-21-2009, 08:41 AM The Revell/Italeri 911 Turbo is largely incorrect.... The body in the kit is the same as found in the normal 993 carrera kit and while different sills are included, it doesn't actually have the wider rear arches (memory tells me the rear is wider by 30mm on both sides). The chassis is untouched from the 964 kits so the suspension is wrong. The interior is also untouched from that kit so, as you have noted, has some of the wrong details. The engine part is also untouched from the 964 kits and as shown here, has the wrong fan and none of the variaram parts/detail. The wheels are the wrong size. BVC500 05-21-2009, 09:27 AM The Revell/Italeri 911 Turbo is largely incorrect.... The body in the kit is the same as found in the normal 993 carrera kit and while different sills are included, it doesn't actually have the wider rear arches (memory tells me the rear is wider by 30mm on both sides). The chassis is untouched from the 964 kits so the suspension is wrong. The interior is also untouched from that kit so, as you have noted, has some of the wrong details. The engine part is also untouched from the 964 kits and as shown here, has the wrong fan and none of the variaram parts/detail. The wheels are the wrong size. Errrgh! But thank you for the info. I didn't know that the suspension was also wrong. drunken monkey 05-21-2009, 09:32 AM The 993 (all of them) had fully indepent multi link rears. The Revell/Italeri kit is a (not very) modified 964 car so not much under the body is going to be correct. In order to make a truly correct 993 car you'll want to rob the chassis from a Tamiya GT2 kit, which is a good thing because you're going to want to fit the Tamiya Carrera's wheels anyway, even though they're not also correct but at least they're the correct size. BVC500 05-21-2009, 10:01 AM Phew, sounds like a lot of work and three kits just to make one accurate one! The chassis from the GT2, the wheels/tires/steering wheel/seats from the 996, and the body and other bits from the Turbo (with modifications, such as widened fenders and probably the fitment of the GT2 bumper)! I wonder if it would be easier to just modify the GT2 body into the turbo version. vBulletin®, Copyright ©2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
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