yo, a punk at my girls work was ragging on her tyte ride the other day and i want to take him on but in her car. ill be racing in her 2000 civic si with 17" 5Zigen copse rims w/Kuhmo ecstas skins, AEM Cold Air Intake,
Dc Sports 4-2-1 ceramic headers one-piece, Thermal exhaust, Tenzo-R front and rear strut bars, STR Cam Gears, STR Fuel Rail, Crane Ignition System W/External Coil And Custom mounts, Crane 11mm Wires, ZEX Plugs,K&N Breather, Momo Shift Knob&Boot. hes going to be racing a 87 grand national with a t49, gn1 heads with a 3 agnle valve job, ported and polished, adjustable wastegate, adjustable fuel pressure regulater, 55 lb injectors,2.5 inch intercooler necks,power plate,a chip, with a 3.42 rear. his car aint nothing but a 80s pos buick so i think i will be able to take him by 5 or 6 cars. how do you all think the race will turn out?

(I will not laugh, I will not laugh, I will not laugh, I will not laugh)

You're sadly mistaken. While I disapprove of one owner laughing at another's choice of vehicle when they've honestly put work into it, there is one core fact you've failed to notice; in 1987, the turbo Buicks were the fastest cars in America in the 1/4 mile STOCK! Honestly, with the mods you listed, he's probably putting out somewhere in the range of 400+ horsepower and as much, if not more, torque. He'll be routing it to a Posi-traction rear axle with stump-puller gears through a GM Turbo400 or 750 series 4speed automatic, and those things had stout torque converters. He's going to powerbrake, spool it to 15lbs of boost, take you off the line with the added advantage of the drag racer's layout REAR WHEEL DRIVE, and be at the tail end of those 1320ft in about 11-12, maybe ten seconds. You are toast.

Now, if you ask him to autocross against you, then it'd be him on the receiving end.

By the way, the GN's and GNX's were put on serious diets compared to the other cars on their platform. They weigh about 100lbs less than a Regal or Monte Carlo.

Originally posted by equalizer442
...his car aint nothing but a 80s pos buick...
Thats exactly what he wants you to think. Anyone that knows anything about Grand Nationals will tell you that you honestly don't stand a chance unless you take out his engine and take his wheels off. He would probably beat you if he raced in reverse. Don't take it the wrong way, but this is like comparing a Hyundai to a Porsche.

Haha your going to get your ass kicked and look stupid for being ignorant.

i think youre going to lose.

Originally posted by DeViL
Haha your going to get your ass kicked and look stupid for being ignorant.

Amen to that :bandit:

i seariously doubt that regal could take me out, that si that im running runs 15.2 in the 1/4 on street tires and 15.1 on nittos its one mean sounding beast. besides this buick has a BAD vacume leak every time he hits the gas it makes a loud hissing sound and it idles alittle on the rough side so it cant be running good at all

*breaks promise* BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Rough Idle= Cam Lope
Vacuum Leak= Garret Air Reseaches TURBO!

You sad little man! The Buick Grand Nationals were TURBO V-6's that ran 13's from the factory! IT AIN'T A FUCKING REGAL! It's one of Buick's MONSTERS. The spiritual succesor to the old GSX that dusted Hemi Chargers back in the day. He just needs to air down the rear factory tires and catch a tailwind to pull 12's. You're talking 15's? Run home, little red badge poser, run home, before the Buford waxes your 1.6L ASS.:angel:

Originally posted by equalizer442
i seariously doubt that regal could take me out, that si that im running runs 15.2 in the 1/4 on street tires and 15.1 on nittos its one mean sounding beast. besides this buick has a BAD vacume leak every time he hits the gas it makes a loud hissing sound and it idles alittle on the rough side so it cant be running good at all
That hissing noise your hearing is probably his turbo spooling which equals mucho MUCHO power. His car s probably in the low 14's high 13's stock (I'm not sure). Plus whatever mods he has. You should just give up now, there's no way you'll win. Does his car also go PSHHHHHHHH when he lets off the gas? Because that means that his car is going to fall to pieces any second now, it being an 80's Buick POS and all.:rolleyes:

1-turbo, not vaccume leak
2-even if he has a bad idle, he can beat you

I have a bad idle, bad egr valve, and I run easy under 15 on pep boys tires

how could a car that sounds that bad beat me? ive got a 2 inch exhaust with a turbo muffler and a 4 inch flame thrower neon tip it sounds so sweet. he dont even have a exhaust on his car, the pos probly rusted off besides im 2000lbs less then he is and im makeing around 250 hp i herd the buicks only made like 170 hp and are nearly 4000lbs use commen sence yo i should smoke his ass its all about the power to weight baby,and whats a eclipse gsx have to do with me stomping this guy and his granny sedan?

Please, you're talking like a ricer. Those Grand Nationals I think were around 260 stock turbocharged. Thats stock man his car ain't stock.

how could a car that sounds that bad beat me? ive got a 2 inch exhaust with a turbo muffler and a 4 inch flame thrower neon tip it soulds so sweet.
Yeah since you car sounds a lot better it must be the fastest thing in the world, yo. Race and find out how that horrible sounding car beats you.

Doing 15's in the quarter isn't fast either. My Trans Am can do better then that and Grand Nationals would smoke me.

My Trans Am can do better then that and Grand Nationals would smoke me.

that dont suprise me TA's suck

Yes and you'd certainly be surprised as I would blow your doors off, completely stock.

Originally posted by equalizer442


that dont suprise me TA's suck


Sorry newbie. I said no more talking shit on others rides, or you get a instant ban. You should read better.

yeah, lmfao im sure your 350 bogger will be able to catch my vtech be realistic. first you say that that granny sedan regal will stomp you then you say you can stomp me, grow up get in the 21th century small high reving engines are the thing now if you want o go fast you have to drive a honda.

I would like to be as polite and dignified about this as possible, and I'd like to think that I speak for automobile enthusiasts and performance aficianados everywhere when I say... ahem...

GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU UNEDUCATED, APATHETIC, WORTHLESS LITTLE RICER!

You asked for honest opinions and cold hard facts. You got them. Facts that are (more or less) supported by the motoring press. I have the Musclecar Review article right here on my lap, and it says 0-60 in 6.3 secs, 1/4 mile in 13.4secs. FACTORY STOCK. Weight, try near 3400lbs, not light, but no tank either. That you refuse to believe them, and are so FUCKING BLIND to the barest laws of physics (FF equals weight transfer off the driving wheels, meaning loss of traction under straighline acceleration, meaning severe limitation on forward movement. Exact opposite with an FR) Just don't ever show your dumb ass hide in Parma, or else you'll deal with 1.8L of all-Anglo four cylinder rear wheel drive DOMINATION! Plus my squadron of equally intellingent classic motorheads.

Now, before this goes any further. Will you finally recognize that you're hosed, and try challenging the Buick guy to racing on a road course, or through some cones in a parking lot, or are you too stupid to realize your only hope of beating this guy is through some tight corners?

Can you guys not tell a troll when you see one? His second post gave him away. :rolleyes:

By the way, if you haven't noticed. The engine in that Grand National only displaces 3.8L. Now, the common Accord V-6 is 3.0L, A Ferrari Modena V-8 is 3.6L, A Ferrari 288GTO V-8 is 2.8L, A Porsche 911 boxer engine is 3.6L, A BMW striaght six is usually 3.0L, A Nissan VQ series V-6 is 3.5L..... hmmn. Seems to me that an engine somewhere between 3.0L and 4.0L is quite modern. In other words, merry fuck off.

Its kind of obvious now someone is just joking around, figures, people who come here aren't that stupid.

I can't believe you guys fell for this. Ha, ha!

'I should beat him...I've got front & rear strut towers, and a Momo shift knob & boot!'

Honestly, guys...you're killing me.

(And I thought I was gonna give up AF...no way...this is too precious.)

Kind of figured after post #2. There was something a little fishy about someone who ignores a statement of a time in someone elses post. So, I freely admit that I'd played along. :finger:

C'mon. Anyone who's read my posts knows I'm always the gentleman. It comes with the car, my precious Layla.:angel:

ok i admit i was playing a nasty dirty little joke, truth is i dont own a civic i own a 86 442, a 87 grand national, and a 95 camaro i was just messing around seeing what kind of reactions i could get out of people. after i posted the first msg i figured i was screwed because i forgot to change names and i was useing a name with 442 on the end of it what is a g body as every one know the same body as the grand national, but thats besides the point

and about the whole 350 bogger comment , lol sorry man i could not resist besides my camaro has a 3.4l so you would stomp me on that end. o yeah dontcha think banning evey rice burner that comes in here is right? lol

Originally posted by equalizer4422
yeah dontcha think banning evey rice burner that comes in here is right? lol

No, but I would like to ban every mullet sportin' redneck. :rolleyes:

I dont care what you drive, but I am tired of people talking shit on each others rides (flaming if you will). That's why I told everyone in here, you talk shit, and disrespect a persons opinion. You will be banned.

forgot to change names and i was useing a name with 442

From the first time I saw your name that sort of came to my mind but I didn't think much of it to ask you.

Fucker haha.

Originally posted by kris


No, but I would like to ban every mullet sportin' redneck. :rolleyes:




phew... glad i dont got me a mullet :D


"You might be a redneck if you are limited to one phone call a week to the UFO sighting hot line" - J. Foxworthy

I dont care what you drive, but I am tired of people talking shit on each others rides (flaming if you will). That's why I told everyone in here, you talk shit, and disrespect a persons opinion. You will be banned.

Okay, are you trying to confuse us by getting things completely backwards there, Mr. Mod?

I think it should be expected that we should be dumping on each other's driveway-sluts, or machines of choice. There aren't that many road cars in the first place that deserve a whole lot of respect - in any case, not as much as any of the people here.

So yeah, I think it's only right that someone should be able to call my shitbox, or shitbox-of-choice a worthless pile of wood. I would, however, take exception to someone taking a personal jab at myself.

I'll leave you with this moment of zen:

I would like to ban every mullet sportin' redneck.
- our respected and beloved moderator

Originally posted by unconvinced
[B]Okay, are you trying to confuse us by getting things completely backwards there, Mr. Mod?

I think it should be expected that we should be dumping on each other's driveway-sluts, or machines of choice. There aren't that many road cars in the first place that deserve a whole lot of respect - in any case, not as much as any of the people here.

So yeah, I think it's only right that someone should be able to call my shitbox, or shitbox-of-choice a worthless pile of wood. I would, however, take exception to someone taking a personal jab at myself.



:rolleyes:

For the more basic people out there. I meant flaming. Is it that hard to realize? I mean hell, I came right out and put it in my post.

As for the redneck saying. You think I'm serious? That's the type of ignorant post that have been put up lately. It's a little thing called sarcasm. I could care less if you have a mullet.

I ignored this thread when I saw the title figuring it for a joke...and I was right.

Although about a year ago, PureHonda had a guy that posted a win against a GN with his Civic...but he also had 427HP to the wheels:silly2: .

For the more basic people out there. I meant flaming. Is it that hard to realize? I mean hell, I came right out and put it in my post.

As for the redneck saying. You think I'm serious? That's the type of ignorant post that have been put up lately. It's a little thing called sarcasm. I could care less if you have a mullet.

Okay, let me go and look up that sarcasm thing. I think I've heard of it, I'll just be fetching my encyclopaedia. Thanks for the guidance, there.

Originally posted by kris

As for the redneck saying. You think I'm serious? That's the type of ignorant post that have been put up lately. It's a little thing called sarcasm. I could care less if you have a mullet.

Ahyuh coulda told me that after i shaved mah head! :smoka:

J/K, I would have started shaving my head again anyways ;)

how can this kid not know about a freakin grand national?!?!??! alright so you think a little 1.6 liter b16a is goin to stand a chance against a twin turbo v6? that car runs 13's stock. that bad idle is probrably from his big ass cam, and that hissing sound if you've been around enough cars is the sound of the freakin turbo spoiling up. lets face it, what we consider fast to import standards is freakin slow compared to domestics. they laugh at our slow 15's passes. even a automatic 91 camaro can run a 15 flat. and those no offense are POS compared to what they once were and to what they are now because they first started using computers on cars not too long ago, they still can't figure how to a make a car run fast and clean. anyways, a grand national is a freakin monster, and at the time, it was the fastest american car out in the market. yes that means even faster then a C4 corvette. what was your little civic known as? it wasn't even the fastest compact car in the world. so in comparision what can i say? the car difference would honestly be a civic to a Z06. cause i'm pretty sure that guy will be running 12's.


12 second 1/4 mile

vs

15 second 1/4 mile


at 100mph each second equals to 260ft. you do the math. his trap speed will be in the neighborhood of 110-115mph. he will beat you by atleast 10 cars.

oh shit there was more to this post? i dodn'tk now it was 3 pages. and now it turns out to be a big joke. drats! i really wanted him to come back posting the results. that would be funny to see how he would act.

Originally posted by equalizer442
yeah, lmfao im sure your 350 bogger will be able to catch my vtech be realistic. first you say that that granny sedan regal will stomp you then you say you can stomp me, grow up get in the 21th century small high reving engines are the thing now if you want o go fast you have to drive a honda.

After I read that I about fell out of my chair laughing. You have a lot to learn about cars man. You are one of the idiots who probably think that Vtech is a turbo charger, super charger, or some fancy fuel additive. Man, you have no idea what you're talking about here, my Vision TSi would beat you, how the hell do you think that you can take a TA let alone the mighty GN, next think he is going to say is that he has a shot against a 1967 Shelby AC Cobra. :rolleyes:

I am sad that I wasn't the first person to respond here since Octagon said about everything I would have anyhow. I would have to agree with all the posts I have read except yours.

Get your facts straight then come back and we'll talk, tell us how bad he beat your ass after the race too, well want to know how many bus lengths he beat you by.

EDIT:

Whoops, just read the rest of the posts, hehe.

Damn trolls!

well i would have expected this kinda of uptight behavior commen from turbobuick.com moderators, lighten up its just a FORUM no big deal. as for me i like when people flame me and call my "regal" a slow grannies car, i usually make 20 bucks off the deal. besides how is calling a 350 a bogger flaming some one? did an insult there Dick size? i think not! i was just haven alittle fun with my mullet wearing Joe dirt look alike self and a few great guys on this forum and you come and because of one little comment ban me, get a life, get a girl, and lighten up!

Ditto, my point exactly.

Originally posted by equalizer4422
well i would have expected this kinda of uptight behavior commen from turbobuick.com moderators, lighten up its just a FORUM no big deal. as for me i like when people flame me and call my "regal" a slow grannies car, i usually make 20 bucks off the deal. besides how is calling a 350 a bogger flaming some one? did an insult there Dick size? i think not! i was just haven alittle fun with my mullet wearing Joe dirt look alike self and a few great guys on this forum and you come and because of one little comment ban me, get a life, get a girl, and lighten up!


Have a life, have a girl, no need to lighten up.

Take a look at a few of the other mudslinging threads. Talking trash on someones cars, always leads to talking shit on each other. AF frowns on flame wars. So they need to be stopped somehow. Have a problem with the way I run things? Tough shit. Go cry to someone else, or feel free to click the link, (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?s=&action=logout) and never look back.

hey your the one crying about flaming, the way i see it we don't have to all like the same thing, if you don't like my car tell me i don't give a damn im a man i can take it. unless its a personal attack on some one there's no need for you to get your panty's in a knot. in other words if i told you that your car sucks get over it were not all communist's here and were free to say what we think unless we say something like, well for instance, hey kris you have a small pecker. now im not implying that your Dick size matches your low IQ, it might, it might not. im just saying a personal attack should be stopped but a "attack" on some ones car should be over looked im sure not all of us are babys and can take what is dished out

Originally posted by equalizer442
i seariously doubt that regal could take me out, that si that im running runs 15.2 in the 1/4 on street tires and 15.1 on nittos its one mean sounding beast. besides this buick has a BAD vacume leak every time he hits the gas it makes a loud hissing sound and it idles alittle on the rough side so it cant be running good at all You genious that hissing sound is the turbo.

Originally posted by Helmz
You genious that hissing sound is the turbo.



we've covered this...

you talk shit, and disrespect a persons opinion. You will be banned.

:monkeypis kris

do you disrespect that opinion? will you be banned? though so.
don't ya just hate it when these moderators abuse there powers and act like there gods, gezz get a life you looser

do you disrespect that opinion? will you be banned? though so.

lmfao that's friggen hilarious, my point exactly. he's like a cop that's gone bad, all he does is abuse his powers by picking on people because when he was younger he was picked last for sports and went to the prom with a fat chick :apoke:

wonder if he had to poke her with a stick to get her to roll back over, might explane some of the brain damage

I'm with the mod on this one.

You suck. No, you suck. I got sick of hearing that in junior high, I (and anyone else with an IQ that isn't measure in room temperature Centigrade) don't need it in the place where I go to talk cars semi-seriously with other car guys. I drive an MGB GT. My teammate drives a Nissan 240SX, and our other teammate has a Datsun 280Z. Those are three fairly different cars, but we recognize that and try to help each other run faster, corner better, and look cooler. That's what the attitude of the general populace of this forum, it's always seemed to me, is.

Now, when someone comes in here, even in joking (though it may not be apparent) and starts tearing into someone else's choice of car, it simply isn't good for anyone. Yeah, we rip on Hondas and the ricers who love them, but even the most diehard "buy American" musclehead out there will have a grin on his face when you mention the turbo V-8 that powered Aryton Senna's McLaren. There's appreciation when time, money, and thought goes into a car here. If you can't share that appreciation, or at least respect another man's (or woman's) pride in what they've accomplished with their rides, you don't belong here.

Should you be banned, I don't think so. Since this was all just a big prank, so we should leave it at that. Kris, it seems to me, was acting on the assumption that you were indeed an idiot of a ricer dumping on someone else's ride, when he warned you of the possibility of him exercising his authority. Now it's all just a moot point. But, going out and starting a thread just to piss off some of the serious gearheads on the forums isn't something I suggest you do for a long LONG time.

Now, haven't I been civil about this? Doesn't all this make logical sense?

L M A O, I can't wait to see the follow up post after the race:eek: .

I agree on the issue that this forum should stay friendly and objective, but I think the mod was a little too quick to jump on the guy for shit-talkin.

BTW, you totally had me goin until the "BUT I GOT EXHAUST ETC" post. That was hilarious. :D If I was the first person to read this topic, I SO would have beaten you into the ground with Grand Natn'l stats and physics.

There's appreciation when time, money, and thought goes into a car here. If you can't share that appreciation, or at least respect another man's (or woman's) pride in what they've accomplished with their rides, you don't belong here.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and I won't assume that I speak for any sizable portion of AF'ers, but I for one happen to believe that driving a car for all it's worth, and in many cases making it into something decent in the first place, both require a healthy dose of disrespect for the car itself.

Every car has potential, and that potential - if anything - can be respected. But for that potential to be reached, the starting point must be disdained.

So I for one will stand by any and all disrespect I may have implied.

(And if the guy with the Civic did exist, I'd wish he had enough disrespect for it to make it fast enough to beat even a GN. For his sake, at least as much disrespect as we could have seen in this thread.)

A fairly profound statement indeed. But it's the disrespect of other's spirit to modify to their liking and their efforts towards improving their car's performance that I disapprove of.

Originally posted by Fliquer
I agree on the issue that this forum should stay friendly and objective, but I think the mod was a little too quick to jump on the guy for shit-talkin.




Why? Because he is a newbie, and doesnt take the time to check out the forum, and see the rules that have been laid down?

Originally posted by burner208


:monkeypis kris

do you disrespect that opinion? will you be banned? though so.
don't ya just hate it when these moderators abuse there powers and act like there gods, gezz get a life you looser


Learn how to spell please. :rolleyes:

Damn, I can't even think of a comeback, since that was so lame.

Originally posted by equalizer4422


lmfao that's friggen hilarious, my point exactly. he's like a cop that's gone bad, all he does is abuse his powers by picking on people because when he was younger he was picked last for sports and went to the prom with a fat chick :apoke:

wonder if he had to poke her with a stick to get her to roll back over, might explane some of the brain damage



Like I said, I know you are new here, but I am not going to just forget about what was set earlier. So maybe you should grow up some, or leave. It doesnt bother me either way.

Oh, this is too funny.

burner208 and equalizer4422 are the same person. :hehehe:

64.12.96.9. The host name is: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com


How pathetic is that? :hehe: Damn dude, and least log off AOL so that your IP address changes. :rolleyes:

Same computer, different person, that's a roommate of mine. as far as im concerned the whole disrespect issue it is non existent at last as it comes to cars because it was all a joke. The only person I disrespect in here is kris because he's a royal pain in the ass that cant take a joke.

Well, I agree with Kris on this one... you're coming into the forum he moderates, trolling, flaming, registering multiple accounts, and even personally insulting him! I think that's going a little beyond a joke, that's called being an asshole.

i know im being a asshole, thats what im trying to be. it stoped being a joke when he banned me.:devil:

Well, try being less of an asshole, and grow up. Maybe then people will take you seriously...

hold on here, you are going to flame me because your mod decided to act like an asshole and call me a redneck with a mullet? how's that make me an asshole? the only reason i might be an asshole is because of pussies like your self who cant take a joke. if you don't like it tough shit go cry to your mommy.:finger:

its my roomates login!!

lol as if that hasnt been played out enough already.

ya know some times people do room together, some times they also share a computer. ive done sed it once before, if you don't like it tough shit. now why don't you go back to stroken your salami and keep your mouth shut.

Originally posted by equalizer4422
hold on here, you are going to flame me because your mod decided to act like an asshole and call me a redneck with a mullet? how's that make me an asshole? the only reason i might be an asshole is because of pussies like your self who cant take a joke. if you don't like it tough shit go cry to your mommy.:finger:

First, I wasn't flaming you, I'm saying try being a little more mature :huh:

I'm constantly amazed at why people talk like badasses on forums. I guess it's because if you talked to someone like that in person, they'd knock out your teeth... at least I would.

I think everyone here has been very civil and tolerant, considering what you've been posting. Anyways, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a forum where someone will give you a pat on the back for trolling. I think it's a shame you're not banned, because it means I'll probably see your posts in the future...

Originally posted by equalizer4422
ya know some times people do room together, some times they also share a computer. ive done sed it once before, if you don't like it tough shit. now why don't you go back to stroken your salami and keep your mouth shut.

Telling me to keep my mouth shut? haha that is actually pretty funny considering there is now 4 pages of bullshit all because you decided to open up your idiotic mouth. There are other ways of introducing yourself to a forum, doing something as stupid as this is not one way though.

People here have a small tolerance for some kid who thinks he is the shit. So why not just apologize and say you won't do it again, you already made a big enough ass out of yourself.

Originally posted by equalizer4422
hold on here, you are going to flame me because your mod decided to act like an asshole and call me a redneck with a mullet? how's that make me an asshole? the only reason i might be an asshole is because of pussies like your self who cant take a joke. if you don't like it tough shit go cry to your mommy.:finger:


Actually, you said we should ban all rice burners first. That bothers me right there.

As for this thread, it is dead as of now.

Roomates? lol, thats a good one.