why do people knock the 3000gt/Stealth?

i've been hearing so much trash talk about the car lately... i dont own one my self, but i have driven in and driven one... it was the craziest feeling i have ever had... the responsiveness of a car taht many say is bloated... that's what i dont get about it... people say that they are shit boxes. slow. bloated. underpowered. cant turn. cant handle. ugly. and then when you ask them what a good car is, they say a damn civic or miata or other small tuner car. it just bugs the shit out of me that people call themsleves tuners, yet they have no respect for one of the legendary JGTC cars. and a great car in general. maybe it doesnt get the best gas mileage or a roomy backseat, i'd trade that for performance of it. the engine, suspesion(drool), drivetrain, and the sexy lines. so can someone explain to me just why people gotta knock on such a great legend?

Steven Folchi

Well, I'd say that the most basic and universal reason is jealousy... I know that may seem conceited on my part, and obviously I am partial because I own one.

But Basicly, these cars look like amazing supercars, they get noticed and drooled on by most people. Therefore someone driving an everyday civic gets angry that their car deosnt get as much attention.

The other is that people misunderstand what these cars are. It is a 3000Gt, Gt meaning "Grand Touring", well, a Gt car is going to be a larger sportscar and in that they are "heavy" Yet really our poundage comes with better stock... well, everything really, and it is more than compensated for, it is also one of the reasons that there is no 4clylinder 3S lol. Also, take a look around the interior of a civic and you will find power locks/windows and not much else. The 3S is also a luxury type of sports car, so there are tons of options and many cool features that were stock.

Those are the basic two reasons, and It is rare to find someone looking down on a 3S if they have driven one, as you felt, the larger weight is not really an issue because of the STOCK parts that are better than many other cars aftermarket parts.

Alos, not many cars can beat a STOCK 3S TT, and this also becomes reason for jealousy, that the stock vr4 is so good for what civic owners try to call an "underpowered, overweight pig"

It's because our cars are so damn heavy... and slow.. shit if you think the vr4 is fast I wish I could see your face driving in a civic with a huge wing and underglow lights! Thats a real tunner car and those things scoot! in fact most the ones around here run 10's all day long.. granted I dont know they know they are on the 8th of a mile track..

ok My opinion is its all a mater of what you like.. I hate a lot of cars that people are in love with.. probably just cause I dont know about them..

i fell in love with my sl, i cant imagine how id feel if i own a tt, so im gonna get a tt engine one day. yea.....their jeolous

Well, I'd say that the most basic and universal reason is jealousy... I know that may seem conceited on my part, and obviously I am partial because I own one.

But Basicly, these cars look like amazing supercars, they get noticed and drooled on by most people. Therefore someone driving an everyday civic gets angry that their car deosnt get as much attention.

The other is that people misunderstand what these cars are. It is a 3000Gt, Gt meaning "Grand Touring", well, a Gt car is going to be a larger sportscar and in that they are "heavy" Yet really our poundage comes with better stock... well, everything really, and it is more than compensated for, it is also one of the reasons that there is no 4clylinder 3S lol. Also, take a look around the interior of a civic and you will find power locks/windows and not much else. The 3S is also a luxury type of sports car, so there are tons of options and many cool features that were stock.

Those are the basic two reasons, and It is rare to find someone looking down on a 3S if they have driven one, as you felt, the larger weight is not really an issue because of the STOCK parts that are better than many other cars aftermarket parts.

Alos, not many cars can beat a STOCK 3S TT, and this also becomes reason for jealousy, that the stock vr4 is so good for what civic owners try to call an "underpowered, overweight pig"

If someone with a Civic calls a 3/s a slow pig then what is there car? An anorexic quadraplegic?

If someone with a Civic calls a 3/s a slow pig then what is there car? An anorexic quadraplegic?


BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Well, I'd say that the most basic and universal reason is jealousy... I know that may seem conceited on my part, and obviously I am partial because I own one.

But Basicly, these cars look like amazing supercars, they get noticed and drooled on by most people. Therefore someone driving an everyday civic gets angry that their car deosnt get as much attention.

The other is that people misunderstand what these cars are. It is a 3000Gt, Gt meaning "Grand Touring", well, a Gt car is going to be a larger sportscar and in that they are "heavy" Yet really our poundage comes with better stock... well, everything really, and it is more than compensated for, it is also one of the reasons that there is no 4clylinder 3S lol. Also, take a look around the interior of a civic and you will find power locks/windows and not much else. The 3S is also a luxury type of sports car, so there are tons of options and many cool features that were stock.

Those are the basic two reasons, and It is rare to find someone looking down on a 3S if they have driven one, as you felt, the larger weight is not really an issue because of the STOCK parts that are better than many other cars aftermarket parts.

Alos, not many cars can beat a STOCK 3S TT, and this also becomes reason for jealousy, that the stock vr4 is so good for what civic owners try to call an "underpowered, overweight pig"

AMEN i love my stealth to death and alot of ppl bash on the weight but in the end they are around the same as a Supra or Skyline so yeah i think our cars came out the perfect side. Sleek,SEXY lines but with the grunt to get her going. Also the featues active aero,suspension, digital climate control... And dont let ppl fool you they look at out cars the other day there was a small meet of cars *40-50's* with the same age owners i went by in the stelath just cruising and everyone turned there heads to look at it...

If someone with a Civic calls a 3/s a slow pig then what is there car? An anorexic quadraplegic?

Muahahaaha :grinyes: :cwm27: :rofl:

Because they are heavy, cheep, and there is tons of wrong info out there about them. Combine that with young / retarded owners and the reputation is only going to get worse.

People are going to say your car sucks, deal with it.

i've gotten many compliments on my car, even with the ratty 14 year old paint job and flaking wheels. anyone that know's just a little bit about performance cars can respect a 3S, having driven one or not. and +1 on the jealousy, usually when someone is going to bash this car it's gonna be johnny the ricer with a 1.5 liter civic with type r stickers and a welded on $3 ebay muffler. i don't even see how someone can even argue about a 300hp AWD from the factory car. ignore those people, say thank you and drive away.

i hate civics!!!!!! honostly almost all honda's, s2000's and nsx's are nice, that's about it.

the only thing i dont get about the gto/3kgt/stealth, how do they weigh 3600lbs, and the skyline with all the same gadgets weighs about 3400lbs?

i love my stealth(read my last post in the off topic thread), and i've driven an sl. the kid who threw up owned a civic and said my car was slow.

i think the only reason "johnny ricer" is jelous is because he spent 3g on a civic and put 5g into it(for a very well done car) and he's still slower, and for that total of 8g u can get a vr4/tt(1st gen)

it is the heviest car in it's class, that does hurt a little, but the car's arent ment to play in the realm of vette's and viper's, yet it can and does.

no the worship isnt as great in comparison to a supra, but look at wat the supra is, far rarer and more sought after, but my stealth will screw with it in the 1/4.

my biggest problem with the stealth, i have awd, i only want awd now on my cars, and that eliminates 80-90% of the cars out there.

if one phrase can sum up the the 3/s it would be, beauty and the beast.

i've been hearing so much trash talk about the car lately... i dont own one my self, but i have driven in and driven one... it was the craziest feeling i have ever had... the responsiveness of a car taht many say is bloated... that's what i dont get about it... people say that they are shit boxes. slow. bloated. underpowered. cant turn. cant handle. ugly. and then when you ask them what a good car is, they say a damn civic or miata or other small tuner car. it just bugs the shit out of me that people call themsleves tuners, yet they have no respect for one of the legendary JGTC cars. and a great car in general. maybe it doesnt get the best gas mileage or a roomy backseat, i'd trade that for performance of it. the engine, suspesion(drool), drivetrain, and the sexy lines. so can someone explain to me just why people gotta knock on such a great legend?

Steven Folchi

you almost sound like your planning on writing an article on the subject

those who call the vr4 a slow pig are ricer's
if they were true auto enthusiasts they wouldnt call it that at all

many ricer's have the idea in there head that, less weight is a better way to gain speed than adding hp and tq.

well as far as straight line goes, the vr4 is only second to third in speed when it comes to the classic twinturbo's of the 90's

Skyline R-34 TT
Supra TT
3/S TT
RX-7 TT
300ZX TT

if you'd like we have video's of the GTO-MR in japan on a track(yes the twisties) and running with the cars posted above as well as the nsx.

But the 3000GT never took off in japan in any racing circuit because AWD was deamed an unfair advantage. The Skyline could be made RWD very simply, but since the 3000GT is FWD based that wasn't going to happen.

Was the PUMA GTO australian?

If someone with a Civic calls a 3/s a slow pig then what is there car? An anorexic quadraplegic?

LMFAO that's the funniest thing I've heard all day :lol:

i have a stock 96 base model, and the other night a turbocharged integra pulled up next to me giving off the gay bov.. hondas and integras can be souped up and still be killed stock.

Was the PUMA GTO australian?
ALL GTO's were JDM as far as I know.

i have a stock 96 base model, and the other night a turbocharged integra pulled up next to me giving off the gay bov.. hondas and integras can be souped up and still be killed stock.
Your statement makes zero sense. So what the hell does a TC Integra have to do with being killed stock? A TC teg is gonna be in the 13's if not 12's or faster and your NA DOHC wont touch it. Hondas can be souped up to be very fast. Fact, there are more Hondas in the 10's than 3s's. Theres ONE yes ONE FWD 3s in the 10's.... that is all.

Your statement makes zero sense. So what the hell does a TC Integra have to do with being killed stock? A TC teg is gonna be in the 13's if not 12's or faster and your NA DOHC wont touch it. Hondas can be souped up to be very fast. Fact, there are more Hondas in the 10's than 3s's. Theres ONE yes ONE FWD 3s in the 10's.... that is all.

i was thinking the same thing

i know some "large" people, and they're pretty quick, so maybe in a really sneaky way ricers are complimenting our cars...HA like that'll ever happen.
i've always said ricers hate your car and bless it at the same time when they loose, and can't stop making fun of it when they win

and it kinda sounds like someone just bough himself a honda/acura or has owned one b4.

as much money as u put into that civic or watever to run 10's, let me put that much into my tt

Because a lot of people are ignorant or closed minded and form opinions on things they know absolutely nothing about.

However, I have only gotten compliments about my TT since I got it. They only person that said anything bad was my uncle who thought it was unreliable because it was a turbo-charged car. Proof positive of ignorance on two counts.

Hell, you think people knock the 3S platform you should see some of the assholes I've had to deal with about my GTC.

Your statement makes zero sense. So what the hell does a TC Integra have to do with being killed stock? A TC teg is gonna be in the 13's if not 12's or faster and your NA DOHC wont touch it. Hondas can be souped up to be very fast. Fact, there are more Hondas in the 10's than 3s's. Theres ONE yes ONE FWD 3s in the 10's.... that is all.


my friend, how can you honestly support that if thats all they have added to their car? do you understand the amount of people out there today that don't know anything about cars? who buy turbo kits and slap them on? do you honestly believe that adding only a cheap, 5 pound boost turbo on a stock vehice can move from 140 to beyond 225 hp by non professionals at that? not taking into considderation of boost leaks, a cheap intercooler if installed at all?

and if by a professional and real modifications were done to where i myself could understand the amount of money and time put into that car, beyond just the turbo itself (maybe weight reduction, a real exhaust) and beyond the ebay body kit, i would not be wasting my time explaining the incident.

point to be proven, that is for those who do not have the patients to research other cars, lose the aspect of understanding the potential for all other vehicles. people knock the 3s by word of mouth from these illiterate non tuners. they are heavy, parts may be limited, but i strongly support that the knowledge to understanding how to use your vehicle in realistic power and not peak numbers is where the victory will be found.

that is all.

thanks for all ya'll's answers. it's nice to know i'm not the only one who has to deal with ignorant people like this. i just hope that in someway they will one day see the light. if that day never happens for them then i feel sorry for them. but if they choose to keep to the darkness then let them, as we walk all over them and walk off from them. i know i may not be able to ever afford one, or even get to ride in one again, but it makes me happy to know that a legend such as this gets the respect and honor it deserves. thanks guys. long live the 3S platform.

Steven Folchi

as much money as u put into that civic or watever to run 10's, let me put that much into my tt

LOLOLOLOL, just shut up. A Honda can probly go 10s for less than it takes to get a 3s into the 10's.


my friend, how can you honestly support that if thats all they have added to their car? do you understand the amount of people out there today that don't know anything about cars? who buy turbo kits and slap them on? do you honestly believe that adding only a cheap, 5 pound boost turbo on a stock vehice can move from 140 to beyond 225 hp by non professionals at that? not taking into considderation of boost leaks, a cheap intercooler if installed at all?

and if by a professional and real modifications were done to where i myself could understand the amount of money and time put into that car, beyond just the turbo itself (maybe weight reduction, a real exhaust) and beyond the ebay body kit, i would not be wasting my time explaining the incident.

point to be proven, that is for those who do not have the patients to research other cars, lose the aspect of understanding the potential for all other vehicles. people knock the 3s by word of mouth from these illiterate non tuners. they are heavy, parts may be limited, but i strongly support that the knowledge to understanding how to use your vehicle in realistic power and not peak numbers is where the victory will be found.

that is all.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You are waaaaaaay off tangent, this post makes less sense than the first. I commented on the fact that a Honda can easily be souped up and a boosted Teg would smoke a DOHC NA 3s.

thanks for all ya'll's answers. it's nice to know i'm not the only one who has to deal with ignorant people like this. i just hope that in someway they will one day see the light. if that day never happens for them then i feel sorry for them. but if they choose to keep to the darkness then let them, as we walk all over them and walk off from them. i know i may not be able to ever afford one, or even get to ride in one again, but it makes me happy to know that a legend such as this gets the respect and honor it deserves. thanks guys. long live the 3S platform.

Steven Folchi

**Eyes tear up**

That was beautiful *sniff* *sniff*

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You are waaaaaaay off tangent this post makes less sense than the first. I commented on the fact that a Honda can easily be souped up and a boosted Teg would smoke a DOHC NA 3s.

again you aren't seeing the picture.

this car i was describing had no REAL modifications done. a turbo.. probably done in this kids back yard. maybe yours.. i don't know.

let me tell you something you may want to know, being so fond of hondas and acuras. i'm not so close minded as some on these forums..

the ONLY real way to get power out of either one is to get an NSX, or to swap to a 2.0, or a 2.4 K engine if you have the space, and put the RSX-S head on top. do some cam work. bore the cylinders.

the point i am trying to make is that with ONLY a turbo.. and i swear to god, there was no more... i'm trying not to go too fast for you now..this dude thought his ride was bad ass. there's no pride in racing an integra with no real work on it just with a turbo. do you really know what it takes to make a car fast? what more you need inside/bolted on/removed? my car is stock.. i beat him. i dont give a flying fuck how much money you can put into either car in the end. i'm talking about this ONE car in particular, to my ONE stock GT.

The point of this topic is bashing the 3S. my point is to show that these shitheads out there think they have nice cars, that can be beat stock. i hope now that you understand.

that is all, once again.

Wow you really have zero clue. How the fuck do you KNOW the Teg ONLY had a turbo. It doesnt matter if thats all it had a 5 lb boosted Teg wiould stil crush you.

I am not "fond" of Hondas I just know they have serious potential. You think the only way to make power is with a NSX or 2.0 or 2.4. It just shows the serious lack of knowledge you have. Go sit in a corner and lick your nuts now.

:eek::eek::eek:

Go sit in a corner and lick your nuts now.

LMFAO!!!! :rofl:

i'm gonna go head and close this now...guys lets not go too far with name calling and telling people were to lick!

i've killed two tegs with boost before..it depends on the setup the car has period

and a nsx and the engine swap are not the ONLY way to make power out of a teg.