Someone had sent us a set of photos through anonymous email earlier today. These are claimed to be FAF2 spy photos, and they appear to be exactly that. :eek:


http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/1.jpg
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http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/11.jpg
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if i won the lotto right now i'd know where half of it would go right now. but im not old enough for that yet. damn, i hope faf2 is a little more realistic than the first. but its gotta be a better movie, just look at those cars!

Definetly, the cars look way better. I don't know about that pink one though:smoka:

Oh, that's for Barbie's cameo. Have they come up with 'Fast & Furious Barbie' yet?

(Actually, that reminds me of a girl I once knew...)

that movie will be mad! does anyone know what those yellow cars are on the top of the truck in one of the photo's? are they vipers?

Look at those beautiful Skylines! And they'll have Vipers in the movie too! Yep, this movie is gonna be pretty good just based on the cars alone.

Originally posted by igor@af
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/7.jpg



What is this? An APC sticker on a Skyline? That deeply saddens me :(

-Grendel

Originally posted by gtrsk8er
that movie will be mad! does anyone know what those yellow cars are on the top of the truck in one of the photo's? are they vipers?

I'm 99% sure they are vipers... :)

-Grendel

Originally posted by Grendel



What is this? An APC sticker on a Skyline? That deeply saddens me :(

-Grendel


look at the whole paint job on the car! how can they turn an already very aggressive looking sports car and make it look like a r!ced up civic?!?

Originally posted by gtrsk8er



look at the whole paint job on the car! how can they turn an already very aggressive looking sports car and make it look like a r!ced up civic?!?

cuz APC is involved..........:D

Originally posted by Grendel


I'm 99% sure they are vipers... :)

-Grendel

They are Vipers indeed.......Also that S2000 is gh3y

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi


They are Vipers indeed.......Also that S2000 is gh3y

LOL...i know ey!

OH MY GOD!


those skylines... nasty bodywork! could be a fun movie thou..

this really pisses me off, thye have a lot of nice cars, but they all look so ugly, grey with blue racing stripes? and an apc sticker? thats like pissing on a skyline at a nissan dealership, if apc made one piece of performance equipment for a r34, i would crawl on the floor and drink motor oil, adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

Originally posted by BingBingMa
this really pisses me off, thye have a lot of nice cars, but they all look so ugly, grey with blue racing stripes? and an apc sticker? thats like pissing on a skyline at a nissan dealership, if apc made one piece of performance equipment for a r34, i would crawl on the floor and drink motor oil, adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

i agree about the skylines... but not really about the vipers... those are badass...

You guys might not have to worry about the colors on some of those cars. I remember before the first movie came out the cars were not the colors they ended up in the movie. So they may get repainted. Plus the APC thing...sponsors will probably be cover up. Except for movie sponsors. So hopefully this one will be better. Ive heard alot about more Euro car but there arent any picured there so....

yah, i also heard about the euro cars... there was supposed to be some gang that only drove euro cars or something like that... interested to see what horrors befell the euros... :crying:

Man, those GTR are just SICK!

Originally posted by BingBingMa
this really pisses me off, thye have a lot of nice cars, but they all look so ugly, grey with blue racing stripes? and an apc sticker? thats like pissing on a skyline at a nissan dealership, if apc made one piece of performance equipment for a r34, i would crawl on the floor and drink motor oil, adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

This coming from some one driving a Protege. Funny the only people who make remarks about efficiency have no idea how an engine work and drive a slow turd.

Wow!

Originally posted by BingBingMa
this really pisses me off, thye have a lot of nice cars, but they all look so ugly, grey with blue racing stripes? and an apc sticker? thats like pissing on a skyline at a nissan dealership, if apc made one piece of performance equipment for a r34, i would crawl on the floor and drink motor oil, adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency. It's quite an experince to drive one!!! It'll make a believer out of you!!:cool:Not all Americans are gluttonous and inefficient; as small as my paycheck is, I've become quite efficient:p I do agree with you on the complete defamation of those Skylines! You would think they would have learned a thing or two from the first movie but I guess not! Let's pray that they at least have a decent storyline/script/acting/soundtrack!!!

Originally posted by igor@af
These are claimed to be FAF2 spy photos, and they appear to be exactly that.
Thank you Igor for the chance to see more spy photos:) I'm sure the movie will be very entertaining. My $.02 is that they should have used a different car as the lead, but hey "to each his own":smoker2:

Originally posted by BingBingMa
but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

When will you rice boys learn that HP per Liter means NOTHING!!!! Hp to weight and RWHP is what counts, and the Viper is 8.0L. I'm sure that the Dodge engineers were going for that massive TQ that 8.0L can produce not huge HP above 500.

Originally posted by Black_97'Z


When will you rice boys learn that HP per Liter means NOTHING!!!! Hp to weight and RWHP is what counts, and the Viper is 8.0L. I'm sure that the Dodge engineers were going for that massive TQ that 8.0L can produce not huge HP above 500.


Lets keep the posts about the topic, not about each other please.

I'd have to say those are some nice cars...i dont really like the modifications done to them..such as paint jobs n else...is that really an EVOVII?? now thats a bad ass car other than the r34 ...hopefully the movie comes out to be good n not ricey and lame..

actually the pic's are from http://community.webshots.com/album/51581584Pjgplk thought you should know.:smoker2: by the way i was there in the making when they were shooting it.

Originally posted by BingBingMa
this really pisses me off, thye have a lot of nice cars, but they all look so ugly, grey with blue racing stripes? and an apc sticker? thats like pissing on a skyline at a nissan dealership, if apc made one piece of performance equipment for a r34, i would crawl on the floor and drink motor oil, adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

I agree about the skyline's looking bad, but the viper isn't that bad looking. And when you talk about "American" gluttony, even with the V10 8.3 L engine, it weights 300 pounds less than an R34 Skyline.....
Americans are obviously doing something right. No way I am Pro-American cars, I am just Pro-High Performance cars, I don't believe that cars should be "dissed" because of where they come from, thats just stupid. Also, something I forgot to mention, the bigger engines aren't just for HP its for massive amounts of Torque. :evillaugh

I don't think the Lines were that bad looking. I hope they play a bigger part in this movie. If they had been a part in the last one, that RX-7 wouldn't have been the baddest racer. Hey Evomaniac....you really have a Skyline?

Originally posted by BingBingMa
this really pisses me off, thye have a lot of nice cars, but they all look so ugly, grey with blue racing stripes? and an apc sticker? thats like pissing on a skyline at a nissan dealership, if apc made one piece of performance equipment for a r34, i would crawl on the floor and drink motor oil, adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

If that is true, then may the viper be the epitome of America and retardism for better engine performance. that means efficiency.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Look at it this way, Chevrolet uses a 350 cubic inch engine, and the max horsepower they got out of the LS1 variation was 350 horsepower. The typical 427 of the 60's produced around 430 hp. Stop looking at it as Liters and look at it as cubic inches because liters seems to throw you people off. Only 500 hp out of 8 liters, what the hell do you mean only 500 hp. The engine is 500 cubic inches, and since most engines power doesn't go much above the ci of it, it should be around 500 hp. The engine isn't lacking anything at all so what are you complaining about. Keep in mind these engines are also single over head cam, a very basic V block and they can produce a lot more power then most of the DOHC engines you typically see on Japanese and European cars.

Sorry that this is off topic but its necessary.

Anyways lol I bet those 03 Vipers get their ass kicked by the Eclipses and the rest of the shit. I wouldn't be surprised with the attitude of "Super Rice Wing and NOS make me go Zoom, me go 1000 mph cuz me got 4 cylinder wheeee!!!". I'll just be in the theatre like...bullshit......bullshit.....bullshit......er rrr. Whats up with the pink S2000 though? I can understand it having a girl car that is pink, but damn they went all out, pink fuzzy seats and all wtf.

Well, to put it bluntly Devil, No, you are wrong. First off, A viper does not have a SOHC engine, it is OHV. This means that the engine block contains one overhead camshaft. SOHC means one camshaft per bank, which equals 2, and DOHC means 2 camshafts per bank, which equals 4. And yeah, 1 hp per ci might have cut it 20 years ago, but a decent engine makes much, much more than that. Let's look at a few examples.
1 Ferrari Enzo-366 CI=660HP 2 Aston Martin DB7-366 CI=414HP
3 Acura RSX-S-122 CI=200HP 4 Honda S2000-122 CI=240 HP
5 Nissan Max-213 CI=255HP 6 Acura TL-S-195 CI=260 HP
7 Porsche 911-219 CI=320HP 8 Toyota Celica GTS-109 CI=180HP
9 BMW M3-195 CI=333HP 10 Honda Accord EX-183 CI=240HP

You get the picture. And those aren't all even high performance vehicles, either. It is a commonly accepted fact that DOHC engines produce much more power than OHV, that is why more and more cars use them these days. American companies refuse to put them in some vehicles because it is much easier, not to mention cheaper to manufacture an engine that is much bigger with a lot less technology. I guarantee you that if a Viper engine (8.3 liter) was DOCH and was tuned to match European/Japanes specs, it could easily produce 800 hp.
I'm just saying that you have to look at reality here. Granted, a Viper has a lot of torque, but like I said, were it DOHC, it would have a whole h*ell of a lot more.
:flipa: :bandit:

Originally posted by DeViL
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Look at it this way, Chevrolet uses a 350 cubic inch engine, and the max horsepower they got out of the LS1 variation was 350 horsepower. The typical 427 of the 60's produced around 430 hp. Stop looking at it as Liters and look at it as cubic inches because liters seems to throw you people off. Only 500 hp out of 8 liters, what the hell do you mean only 500 hp. The engine is 500 cubic inches, and since most engines power doesn't go much above the ci of it, it should be around 500 hp. The engine isn't lacking anything at all so what are you complaining about. Keep in mind these engines are also single over head cam, a very basic V block and they can produce a lot more power then most of the DOHC engines you typically see on Japanese and European cars.

Sorry that this is off topic but its necessary.

Anyways lol I bet those 03 Vipers get their ass kicked by the Eclipses and the rest of the shit. I wouldn't be surprised with the attitude of "Super Rice Wing and NOS make me go Zoom, me go 1000 mph cuz me got 4 cylinder wheeee!!!". I'll just be in the theatre like...bullshit......bullshit.....bullshit......er rrr. Whats up with the pink S2000 though? I can understand it having a girl car that is pink, but damn they went all out, pink fuzzy seats and all wtf.



How many people forget that power doesn't come from engine size?
Do you work in Detroit?
You can make the engine bigger and stronger, but it may not be the strongest and win a race.


First, the speed of the car in relation to it's engine is nothing if it can't put the power straight to the floor. You may say that the bigger ci engine produces more torque, but TOO MUCH torque means burn out. Burn out means that the tires' surface area overlapping the ground below is skidding over the ground, not gripping. And for those who never took physics, Surface area or section width of the tire plays no role in increasing or decreasing friction between the tire and ground for friction is constant, it only allows weight to be transferred over a greater area and better cooling of the tires so that they may last longer. Although, it is proven that more, yet just enough, torque is needed to accelerate faster out of a corner - being that the car is AWD. There is an issue out there on the magazine stands that shows tests on this with a Subaru Imprezza WRX (AWD), Acura RSX (FWD), and a BMW 3 series (RWD). In addition, remember that there is more friction with the ground when the tire is rolling and not skidding, hence why they created Anti-Lock Braking Systems for shorter stopping distances.


Second, doesn't anyone know that there is a column of air over a 100 miles up through the atmosphere for every square inch of ground that your car rolls on? That whole column or air produces 14.7 psi! Now your say to yourself, "where have I heard psi before?". Turbo's and Superchargers(or Blowers to you ci loving hotrodders) is what you come up with. Yes, you think of that because they are related. Your normally aspirated larger cc engine may suck in A LOT more AIR in regards to VOLUME and in relation to an engine half your size; but, going back to that column of air producing 14.7 psi, the large displacement engine's cylinders do not completely fill up its volume with air at BDC to have a pressure equal to the atmospheric pressure of 14.7 because of friction and air restrictions along the intake track. That 14.7 is what an engine performance tech would also call the Stoichiometric ratio. For every 14.7 parts of air you add/mix one part of Hydrocarbon. Meaning to say, that unless you are getting EXACTLY 14.7 parts of air in a cylinder, you do not add 1 part of fuel. 14.7 psi measured in the cylinder is 100% Volumetric Efficiency. Anything less that is definitely NOT 100%.

Now, I'd estimate that the single camshaft V engine has a volumetric efficiency of only 8-10psi(i dunno, correct me if I'm wrong), but it is definitely not 14.7. And what if you took a car with that engine to near Colorado Springs and drive it up that hill climb? You take that 500(bhp?) Viper up that hill the best you can and you'll never beat the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo which happens to be the fastest so far to get up there.
Reason for your poor performance? Inefficiency and the fact that at the end of the race you were producing 90 less horsepower.

On the other hand, if you take the Skyline GT-R tuned to 500hp or more up that hill, then you'll make it up there faster then your previous trial with the Big Block, and probably with enough gas to beat the Big Block down the hill. Reason for this Skyline victory is because on it's way up the hill it maintained as close as possible it's Volumetric Efficiency. As a matter of fact, it doing 500+ hp says that it is doing more work than at 100% 14.7 psi. It may be taking in a volumetric efficiency of 25psi. 14.7 plus 14.7 is nearly 30psi. That's like having TWO engines IN ONE. No wonder the Small volume High performance DOHC engine is beating the Single V Big Block. Its working more to fill it's cylinders with air two times more than itself, and three times more than the Big Block. At the top of that hill, the Skyline will still be producing 500 hp because it's lungs are still drawing in 25 or so psi, as compared to the Big Block Single camshaft drawing in less.


Third, if you want to measure ci to hp ratios then here is your Final Thought. You say the Dodge Viper has an engine of 8 Litres. 8 times 61 is 488. That means the engine is 488 cubic inches. The horsepower is 500(bhp?). That leaves us with a ratio of 1.02 hp per cubic inch.
Now, the Skyline GT-R R34 has an engine of 2.6 Litres. 2.6 times 61 is 158. That gives us an engine that is 158 cubic inches. The horsepower at stock is 280. That my steel junkie is a a ratio of 1.77hp per cubic inch. Does 1.77 look larger than 1.02 to you on the real number line?
How about if we take the Skyline GT-R around the Vipers ballpark? 316 cubic inches with 500+ Horsepower. The 8 litre beating Skyline has a power to volume ratio of ATLEAST 1.58 hp per cubic inch. My numbers may be off, but it still shows that 1.58 is greater than 1.02.
(Thanks to thrasher for additional info on other cars producing more than 1.02 hp per cubic inch. DOHC helps intake fullfill better volumetric efficiency).

Sorry this is off topic but its necessary.

If you don't understand a word I said, then just think about one thing:

Formula One
3.0 litre V-10 producing 800 Horsepower at 18,000 RPM.

Or, just ask what is hard to comprehend and I'm sure someone here will answer.

:eek: :D :flipa: :devil: :sun:

Originally posted by igor@af
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/11.jpg
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/12.jpg

This is so wierd. When I first saw the pic of the eclipse i swore that it was the same on I saw at Nopi Nationals.

It looks like a reverse paint job. What do ya'll think?

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/861094NOPI017.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/106448NOPI018.jpg

wow. very nice!

The cars look way better.Love the Skylines.

Reason why they have backwards paint jobs is because they are two different cars of course.
The one on the tow truck looks more stock, but focus on the wheels and front bumper kit.

The one on the lawn has a different bumper and wheels.


I never comented on the movie yet......geez.
The movie better be good and not have a drag race consisting of over a hundred cars lining the street this time. o.0'

I realize that they are two different cars, but it's just wierd that they have the EXACT same paint job. It makes me wonder if it is either a Mitsubishi paint job idea or if the owner at NOPI saw some pics of the FAF2 car and decided to copy it.

It was just funny to me that I had seen that car before.

Half of the members on AF are only here because of that whack movie.... Just check out the 92+ civic forum (don't get me wrong there are some pretty tight civics in that forum but there is also too much rice to throw a chop stick at.) The fact that they will now be using one of my favorite cars in that lame film comes as a sharp stinge of pain to my heart. Skylines are to beautiful to have stickers of cheap american companys that don't even make parts for that car plastered on them. The Fast and the Furious brought a plethorem of recognition to the import scene... but alot of the recognition is derived from cheap work and the false knowledge derived from the movie. Why make a sequel to a movie that was a peice of shit in the first place? Just my 2 cents

BTW I meant half the japanese car enthusiusts when I was speaking ill of the Fast and the Furious. (How much do those altezzas add? Like 10hp?)

Originally posted by QuickSilverEF9
Why make a sequel to a movie that was a peice of shit in the first place? Just my 2 cents
Why make a sequel well cause the first one made a shit load off money.

i just wanted to add that if this movie is like the first those cars engines will be comppletly stock except for a 4 inch exhaust to get a deep throaty sound. So those stickers will be on there only for looks, not because there on the car.

god you people arguing over the viper.. shut it.. if chrysler wanted a dinky little dohc 6cyl, they'd put it in another car.. the viper lives up to the muscle genre. a big ass engine making a butt load of torque.. that was it's main intent.. not to see how scientific they can get with the engine to pump out massive hp/l.

Ok enough import/domestic bashing. They both have their strongpoints. Imports have engineering, domestics have perfomance-per-dollar. 'Nuff said

Anyway, I am hella disappointed that one of the main cars is not a WRX, but then again, that orange 240 is lookin mighty good.

:rolleyes:

Right on Fliquer! :smoker2:

and WRX is bad ass engineering-for-the-buck, hehe
the performer on stage

If any of you are subscribe to Super Street magazine, last months issue featured Craig Leiberman's new car (owner of FnF1 supra). It is a 1999 Nissan Skyline, and in the article, it is said to be the next FnF2 main car. Check it out at: http://www.moviecarz.com

the main car should deff be a non riced 4th gen civic hb :finger: , the skyline is cool i would like to see a 300zx or sumthing

My reaction is this. BETTER, much much better than FF1, but still, LOSE THE WING SPOILERS! It is positively pointless to have such a big wing on any street car, and the paint jobs have to go. I mightl ike it if it was grey stripes on a BLUE Skyline. the front airdam/splitter is asctrually not that bad here, but the wing just has to go. Also the rest of the cars look WAY overdone again. The pink S2000 looks OK at besy, gay at wirst, but it is going to be a chicks car you know. The Vipers, I really hope they are in it, because they are the one true bare bones sportscar in that movie.

Well, one thing is better, they have cooler cars in this one. But not all of them are sweet. First off they Skylines look pretty hott, but there are too many stickers on it and in bad locations on the car. Next, that pink S2000 is gay as a mother, I've seen some pretty sweet ones that they could have chose. THEN I CANT BELIEVE THEY TOOK THOSE EVOLUTION VII'S AND TURNED THEM INTO THOSE UGLY ASS THINGS. What they hell is wrong with people, the Evo is the hottest car and they ruined the look of it with that gay paint job, stickers, rear spoiler. Who agrees on that? The others arent that bad, the eclipses, vipers, etc. They shouldn't of taken that supra, I have seen better. Hopefully we see a WRX in there and some other nice cars. Just hopefully no Civics or other dumb cars. Also, a sweet ass Celica would be good and a RSX Type S. I think they were looking at Rob Shaw's Impreza WRX to put in it and if you look at that car, it's the hottest WRX you will see. Check it out at imoprtstreet-south.com and go to featured cars.

Rob Shaw's Impreza WRX.....
http://www.importspeed-south.com/rob-subaru.htm

I just hope all the people who get jazzed off this movie like they did the first dont think they can beat any high performance car such as the Viper.

I mean, we know why its there.. its going to have to lose right? We know the key cars will be the Skylines and the other exotic Imports...


Oh well, by the time this movie comes out. The Nova will most likely be back in operation to teach some little kids some lessons. :hehehe:

Originally posted by Black_97'Z


When will you rice boys learn that HP per Liter means NOTHING!!!! Hp to weight and RWHP is what counts, and the Viper is 8.0L. I'm sure that the Dodge engineers were going for that massive TQ that 8.0L can produce not huge HP above 500.

Amen! My bike makes more HP per liter than most of the jap 4 bangers, but I'm not braggin.... i'm impressed when you can make a RELIABLE and LASTING 4 banger put out 300+ and drive it everyday.. props are given where earned.. and for the record.. im making 124 hp in 0.6 liters :smoka:

Originally posted by thrasher
Well, to put it bluntly Devil, No, you are wrong. First off, A viper does not have a SOHC engine, it is OHV. This means that the engine block contains one overhead camshaft. SOHC means one camshaft per bank, which equals 2, and DOHC means 2 camshafts per bank, which equals 4

Um... OHV is Over head Valve.. camshaft is in "valley" and uses pushrods bro... cam is NOT on the head itself... and "This means that the engine block contains one overhead camshaft. " ????:confused:

if its in the block, it cant be over head.. over head means on the head.. sorry.. had to set this straight... anyways... who's goin to FF2 opening night? :finger:

what wrong with civics? they need to have some non riced hb's in there 4th-6th gen those are the hottest hb's

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
what wrong with civics? they need to have some non riced hb's in there 4th-6th gen those are the hottest hb's

nothing at all.... I know a 93 turbo HB here in houston beating vipers and in the low low 10s... there is a difference.. there's tastefully done cars, then there is just plain riced... anyone else agree?

they deff need to pull all the dumbass stickers off the cars take the altezzas off and get actors who actually can act like they know something about cars or let real street racers write the script make it alittle more realistic then that movie would be awesome

Problem with that is if they make it more realistic and start throwing out all of these terms that no one but real racers understand then the avergae joe is gonna have no idea what they are talking about.

Just look at all of the people who said that their car had a Spoon engine in it after the original movie. They had no idea what it meant but it just sounded cool to say.

What's next? Is everyone gonna be saying that Mugen built their car?

On another note, I don't know why everyone is bashing Civic's. Honda must be doing something right if everyone is buying them.

well older civics anyway the new ones are pretty ugly:finger: j/k the coupes are ok dont like the hb's or 4 doors and i only really like the black coupes the new accord is pretty ugly in my mind too but the performance is so good i would buy one anyway they stoped making preludes....:( i liked them

Now was that really called for? I don't particularly like the new Si or any other hatchback, but i'm not about to go around bashing other peoples ride because that might be their thing.

But now, I really can say that your hatchback is fugly. None of this is meant towards any other 91 hb si owner. Only civicHBsi91, because he felt the need to open his mouth when it wasn;t needed. :flipa:

Question: Is anything made in hollywood realistic?

Originally posted by kbslacker
Question: Is anything made in hollywood realistic?

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

did you not see the J/k which means just kidding, it was a joke buddy take it easy

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
they deff need to pull all the dumbass stickers off the cars take the altezzas off and get actors who actually can act like they know something about cars or let real street racers write the script make it alittle more realistic then that movie would be awesome

I totally agree with Civic. I (going almost every weekend to street races sence I was 13 have NEVER seen so many show quality cars lining the street. When there were actully show quality cars there they never raced, because they spent too much money fixing up the exterior and not the engine(except a basic muffler,intake and headers).The ones that do race are the beaters. They are the ones that dont worry so much about scratches on the primer or diffrent colored body parts.

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
On another note, I don't know why everyone is bashing Civic's. Honda must be doing something right if everyone is buying them.

Personally I think people buy them because they are the thing to own... they certainly aren't the best value for the money, thats for sure...

-Grendel *not trying to start a war, just stating his opinion :p*

Dude this post is about the fast and furious 2 cars, not civics. In my opinion, Honda made a good car for the value they sold it at. That's why Honda had such excellent sales because when the car was introduced, it was the best choice out of other manufacters. Then, they kept improving off of that which led to more sales and the fact that kids bought them. The car was built for kids first cars and aftermarket manufacturers saw how popular the car became and produced products for it. It is a chain reaction. I tend to hate civics now cause of how much I see them and of how gay they look when kids buy them to soup up and to make them think they are soo cool. But then there are some that have taste and make the car look hott, those are the smart kids. And the older style civics were sweet looking, this new design is ugly as hell, I can't stand to look at it. I don't think it is going to be as popular as it use to, there are a lot more manufacturers producing better cars for the same price.

as for new cars i think they are all ugly civic,neon,cavalier, accord, bug
the new cars that i think look sweet are the wrx,350z *they look way better in real life*, the vw's besides the bug, thats all i can think of right now

Vipers? Ummm, where are they I am not seeing them? :confused:

they are the yellow cars the new viper body style

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
This is so wierd. When I first saw the pic of the eclipse i swore that it was the same on I saw at Nopi Nationals.
Wow, you have a good eye! Yeah, that same exact look would be way too hard to "accidently" create... probably the artists created two "yin-tang" Eclipses (for two brothers in the movie) but they decided to use only one?

Originally posted by DMC12

Yeah, that same exact look would be way too hard to "accidently" create... probably the artists created two "yin-tang" Eclipses (for two brothers in the movie) but they decided to use only one?

There is an idea. Wouldn't that be cool in the movie.

i just hope we dont get a generation of Skyline "experts" who think they know everything about the car and that adding NAAAAWWWWSSSS to a standard engine will give them F1 rivalling power with aircraft reliability



and the SRT-10 is starting to grow on me, especially in that colour

i just had a funny thought, what if the pink s2k is drivin buy a guy, it wouldn't really suprise me, and it would be quite funny. by the way, i plan on going opening night, i'll park out back, so they don't hit my car, then pull out the cell phone and help notify the po-po of all the fender-benders(won't it be funny if there's a tire iron fight in the movie?) .:smoker2:

I bet that on opening night the cops will be out in full force. After the first one came out everyone in my town went out and wanted to race. A lot of newbie's started their first day of racing that night.

Hi........this is my first post.......I got linked here from the UK GTR Register

I thought I would just add my 2p's worth as I have just read this thread and am amazed at how petty it is in here.....I think some peeps may have lost the plot.

The Yank muscle boys defendind their right to burn as much petrol as possible in thundering chariots with engines bigger than my dads boat!!

And the Jap fanatics ranting over which model of civic is the best.....:rolleyes:

Why cant we all just agree that we are motivated by the same force..........the infernal combustion engine!! lol

Who cares if its normally aspirated or turbo'd, 8litres or 2......the point is we spend as much as we can afford on our rides (more than you can afford if your like me) and we should be proud of them.

I personally would have loved a Bugatti EB110S quad turbo.....and then tuned it just for a laugh....but unless I win a lottery its never gonna happen.

Be thankful that we all appreciate nice cars, and we still live in a society that permits them....I dont know what its like in the US, but over here in England "car" is fast becoming a swear word that will soon be taxed to death.:(

The only thing I would point out is...........enjoy it while it lasts - I am !!..............Oh yeah, and please stop all the BS and pettiness............a single cam V8 does have its cam in the centre with pushrods, and F1 engines do indeed rev to 18,000rpm+ with 850bhp, but does it really matter?? What relevance does this have in the real world..........and yes a well tuned gtr will beat a viper, but thats not all that relevant at the macdonalds drive thru either is it??

I did not wish to start an argument, I just wished to give an outside observation..........if I had run out of petrol, 10 miles from a garage and I thought that a mustang driver wouldnt pick me up cos I drive a skyline I would feel sad.........I would certainly stop if the situation were reversed.

End of lecture.......sorry!!

James...........:cool:

Who do you think you are coming in here and judging us on your first post. Try getting to know us before you act all big and bad.

We are here to discuss and debate different topics. Some people know what they are talking about and others need to be put in their place.

On top of that, The Fast and the Furious is always a platform for controversy. So try looking at the other forums and threads in AF. Then if you still don't like it, GET OUT and stop reprimanding us based on your opinion because you are just as bad as the people who flame others in AF.

By the way, those are some Nice Cars that you own. :D

Originally posted by bladerider
I did not wish to start an argument, I just wished to give an outside observation..........if I had run out of petrol, 10 miles from a garage and I thought that a mustang driver wouldnt pick me up cos I drive a skyline I would feel sad.........I would certainly stop if the situation were reversed.

End of lecture.......sorry!!

James...........:cool:

1:.....I DO know what I am talking about when it comes to cars

2:......May I refer you to my qualifying statement above

3:......Im not trying to act big and bad, I was trying to enlighten people to the outside worlds perception of their comments

4:......I look forward to getting to know people, but feel it would be a waste of my time to be on here for two months just saying "hi" to make people feel they could accept me - im not looking or asking for acceptance, I believe adults can communicate their ideas without having to be ruled by emotion and whether they think somone likes them or not

5:....Yes they are nice cars, although I am fibbing slightly about the GTR as I have not taken delivery of it yet !!:D

6:.......have a nice day, im off to bed as its 2.30am over hear and work is only four hours away!! lol

James........:cool:

It's all good man. We are all friendly here, at least until we start talking to each other...LOL

Post some pics of your cars, let's see what you've done with them.

As for how the rest of the world percieves us.......we aren't adults, we are boys with really fast toys. We live our lives in our cars, so we don't really care what others think of us. It's more of what they think of our cars :D And if that excuse isn't good enough for you, most of us are Americans(and you know how we can be when we get on a rant......just look at President Bush).

I never doubted what you know about cars because I don't know you yet.

Welcome to AF :wave:

Torque is the name of the game. Thats's where acceleration begins. To get lots of torque, you need lots of stroke and large combustion area both of which makes the engine bigger. Japanese and Euro sports cars make good Peak horsepower but their torque output, especially low - midrange RPM can't match the V8's or the V10. For the money it would take to make the 6's compete, you could put the V8's well out of their reach. Don't get me wrong, I like the Japanese sports cars, the Impreza WRX and Supra TT especially, but call a spade a spade before you call the Viper's V-10 inefficient.

:flipa: Yay Get A Real Car Get A Evo!!Yay Get A Real Car Get A Evo!! Yay Get A Real Car Get A Evo!!

That Pink Car Is Nice As..Wouldn't Mind Getting Into The Drivers Seat And Taking It For A Drag! Go The Chick Racers! :rolleyes:

Hey bladerider! You wanna send me over your R33? :D

I'm kind of scared to go see the 2nd movie, the first one scarred me for life.

The scene is going to be off the hinges though; I'll prolly show up just because I know there'll be a big turnout, just like the first one.

Originally posted by 91HBSi
I'm kind of scared to go see the 2nd movie, the first one scarred me for life.

The scene is going to be off the hinges though; I'll prolly show up just because I know there'll be a big turnout, just like the first one.

Heh, I'll probably go opening night with a friend... for the sole purpose of racing all the ricers after the movie...

It will be a safe night of racing, because I'm willing to bet all the people with fast civics/accords/etc won't be at the movie :)

Who knows tho, maybe I'll lose horribly to every single one :p

-Grendel

lets get back on track now:

someone made a stupid comment about efficiency, not about which car is better than the best.

Based on engine efficiency, the V-10 natural loses. That was proven a long time ago.
Do not bring up torque and acceleration because yes they are needed yet acceleration does not happen if too much torque is applied and there is no AWD to the least. You will slide on the corner and experience imperfect steer. That was already stated as well.
Japanese and Euro cars can and do make good peak horse power in comparison to American, torque is mostly generated at low to mid RPM, and for many cars Japanese and Euro, they make plenty more torque than horsepower, and within the same low to mid RPM range as an American. The torque can and most likely does match between 6's and 8's. Remember that you can use torque to find horsepower in equation. You also need to push a weight far enough in a faster time.

Sure, with the same amount of money to compete a 6 cyl., lets slap on a supercharger or two to the viper and do a job well done. That would probably be over a hundred thousand american dollars.
An R34 having work done to the same budget or less could make the same or more power than the viper, and yet still be more advanced with it's Electronic torque splitting AWD and four wheel steering.
That's an expected gain of a second every lap for the R34 compared to the RWD Viper.

Remember, reach to acheive as much of 100% or more of an engines POTENTIAL. R34 meets and beats that. The Viper breathes through one and only one nostril. Just say it's inefficient.

Both cars are great and can beat the average jo(k)e on the street. They are STRONG. But I see that many like I hate the new body of the Viper and think it looks better the way it was before.

The movie: wait and watch it. race that car you take pride in. and recieve a ticket. We see nice pics here; some hate some cars, and love the others. After all, the pictures are what this thread is all about. And somebody must have spent a lot of money on those horrible stickers obviously to get your attention, and it works.



Someone chose to speak of inefficiency, not about which car can run over a cow in the worst possible way.
Spade. V-10 natural is inefficient.

Back to critiquing the FaF2 car photos.............

Yeah Grendel, you're probably right. There was a really good turnout at the first one, but no one had any idea how horrible the movie was gonna be. I'll probably end up riding through the parking lot to see if there are any cool cars, then leave.

Originally posted by 91HBSi
I'll probably end up riding through the parking lot to see if there are any cool cars, then leave.

Stop bullshitting. You will go see the movie like everyone else. I know you will, because if you don't then you won't know anything about the movie to complain about its errors.

the skylines kind fo remind me of the blitz skyline, with the grey paint and stripes, except they r most likely slower.

and the back of the viper still looks like a chrysler sebring to me.

and i hope that they have more asians in the movie, im not trying to be racist or anything, but asians make up a large part of the import tuner population, and they were scarce in faf1

god badass skylines to bad people are going to think they know shit about them and want one.

i thank motorex and hope i get a ton of cash for one

I will be there...hmm, which car should I bring??

This one?
http://images.cardomain.com/installs/188000-188999/188727_33_full.jpg :evillaugh

or this one??
http://images.cardomain.com/installs/188000-188999/188727_28_full.jpg

I would REALLY like to combine both and bring this one!!
http://images.cardomain.com/installs/188000-188999/188727_29_full.jpg

If you bring the cop car everyone's party will be ruined. Take your other car and join in the races!

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
If you bring the cop car everyone's party will be ruined. Take your other car and join in the races!

duurrrhhhhhghh think dude!!

Sarcasm anyone?

you people sure make me laugh. over here arguin domestics and imports. lets face it they both have their ups and downs.

American cars - made with big engines, big gas eaters, big power, big torque (well, for the most part) oh yes, did I mention big gas eaters ? well you can get decent gas milage as long as you dont pass 2500 rpm lol. viper, corvette, saleen, etc. yes they eat lots of gas, but were not made to be daily drivers. they were meant for people that want a high performance car and dont care about gas, dont usually have intentions to tune the car, and want to be fast.
Jap cars - made with small engines, good gas milage, shitty power, and torque, we wont really get into that. I'll give respect to a few that were meant to be performance cars. the 3000gt vr4 (yea yea yea, it's a boat, weighs 37xx pounds (almost 2 ton's), etc. but there are a few things you guys dont know. you can rev it up to even redline, dump the clutch, and you beraly spin the tires, all you do is take off, wwhhheeeeee, it handles like a dream, it has a great LUXURY interior, full leather, etc), the rx7, toyota supra (love the car, only complaint is the interior, kind of a plane interior but I still want one), 300zx (they needed to invest a bit more money in those, my stock vr4 does circles around a stock tt 300z, but I will give them credit on top-end), acura nsx (wow, what a gorgeous car). all these cars were made to be competition to the american muscle/high performance cars.
in general the americans had and most still have the theory of simple is better, which I agree with. to a degree. look at something else. the 3000gt vr4 is faster than the camaros, corvettes, and trans ams. that is ofcourse until 97-98 when they changed engines. the LS1 engines are good. stock for stock my ws6 walks my vr4, but it does so slowly. my vr4 takes almost all cars off the line and it's a lot of fun.
now as for your debate between the skyline and the viper racing up the mountain/hill/forgot what it was, lets think of what you said. a "TUNED TO 500+ HP SKYLINE" there is a key word here and that's "TUNED" most people that buy the vipers buy them for their name and reputation and usually have no intentions of "TUNING" the car. if you tune the skyline, why not tune the viper. you invest 1000 in the skyline, invest 1000 in the viper. make the race more realistic.
and to finish this long speach (hmm is anyone sleeping yet ?), hondas and toyotas were made to be economical and reliable cars. that goal was reached. the s2000 is the only honda that I can think of that was not meant to be economical, it was a great attempt at a race car. hit the target pretty good for a 4 cylinder. but my vr4 is still faster :-D just say it's due to the two extra cylinders, and the turbos and it's all good hehe.

Jaggy

now someone is arguing over some things other than efficiency. haha, see, no one can just talk about FaF2 pictures.

I doubt you can "better tune" a viper for a 1000 dollars to meet and/or beat for that race. The race was realistic. the viper can only afford to take the hood off. It's inefficient. are you back on track now?
Pictures....Pictures....Pictures......what do you think?

what is APC....?:) :D

searched the net...and it came up with some human resources stuff...:confused:

Apc is the leading manufacturing of aftermarket parts in the usa. Its called the American Products Company.

APC = cheap shit

APC has hardly any performance products, they carry mostly cheap eurolight ripoffs, ugly body kits, and other decorative stuff, and soemhow their decal got on the skyline.

I didn't even know that they made parts for Nissan Skylines.

they dont make parts for skylines, unlees u count generic crap like shifter knobs, bulbs, and gt wings and shit, they probably put the sticker on there so Americans have something to identify with on a car thats not usually seen in the States. (heheh, horrible product placement)

Heres a few more pics, revealing some more of the cars.

http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/OceanSurfer1977/5.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/OceanSurfer1977/4.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/OceanSurfer1977/2.jpg
Is that a corvette Grand Sport i see? ^^
http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/OceanSurfer1977/12.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/OceanSurfer1977/11.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/OceanSurfer1977/6.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/car1.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/pic9.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/car5.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/car2.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/car3.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/pic6.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/pic7.jpg
http://www.hostingcow.com/fatf2/car4.jpg
Lol at the neons

:frog: BtW, when is the movie supposed to show?

Is the setting of this movie in miami, florida?

If so, hell no! It should stay in Los Angeles for there is where the capitol or Hot Rodding is. Anywhere else would have no meaning. Especially in a state where morons don't have the common sense to vote and keep things organized. Don't they know that likewise a scantron will read wrong if not NEATLY filled within the box-similarly, hole punched clean.

:bloated: Wow look at those tail lights...

the wide body dodge dakota looks sweet, mebbe its a tt 6 cylinder, lol prolly a v8. The pinked out s2000 is kinda gay looking, if it ends up that a guy is driving that i will walk out of the theater. the golddust supra looks great tho, and even the skyline looks decent from the back, when u dont see its ugly paintjob

I would just like to state that Craig Lieberman is and pansy hunk of crap. Leave it up to him to ruin an r34 skyline. Who in there right mind would put an APC sticker on a right side drive, imported from Japan, kick you in the nuts and laugh at you automobile. I mean does APC even make anything for a skyline? other than pedal covers and a shift knob? You can tell that those skylines are his doings, total rice

Thats all I can handle

Right on bruda. Skyline GT-R definitely does that, and the moron that agreed to do that to the car in the movie needs to be kicked in the nuts by a Skyline GT-R most definitely. How dare go so low as to do that to a car for more money.

doesnt really matter, at least they have a skyline, even tho it is ugly, looks rnt that important, i woudl rather have sleeper anyday, like a 20b powered 2nd gen AWD protege/familia sedan. heheheheh.....:D

thats what I am talking about. You see the Skyline was built to be a super car. I am all about sleepers, I have a volkwagon that will kick you in the nuts too. The fact still remains that Nissan teases us by making statements that they will bring it over, then they don't. They have done that more than once in the last 10 years. My whole problem with the Craig Lieberman Experience and all thet APC Kids that follow him is that sticker kits and funny light bulbs don't make you fast. Nitrous when used improperly blows engines, that big Carbon fiber wing on that civic doesn't do a whole heck of a lot, and whoever said graphic kits were cool must have been partying with some 80's hair band. I know I will still go watch the movie, but the whole reason I started my shop is because I got so sick of all of the shops in St. Louis, Mo selling nothing but junk and charging way too much for labor. I know a guy who has a 94 Accord Ex who had a H22a Prelude engine installed by a well known shop here and they charged him $5000 to do a $3000 job. They told him he wouldn't have air conditioning or power steering. Can you believe that?!?!? I am sure that there are more shops like this one around the country too. It makes me very sad that The Fast and the Furious brought so much hype to our industry that it killed the quality of the products and the labor. One funny thing a friend of mine said to me the other day was that guys and girls that wrench in "Tuning Shops" couldn't make it in the real working as a mechanic. pretty funny huh.

Anyway I am stepping off of my soap box now. If you want good quality parts and prices with no BS visit me at www.advantagemts.com out site is still under construction so please don't ming the mess

Thanks

Andy

Sounds good man. I would agree with you on the character of shops. if you think about it, they probably do that because they are bastards that want the money in order to puy those precious parts they need for their own cars which they dont have to pay 2000 dollars to get installed. I believe in profit, but not ripoff's.
I myself would like to make my old ass Accord EX a sleeping h22 supercharged monster. Sleepers are just the best, and even better when it's a car totally unexpected. Why put a kit and stickers on an M3 when it looks soo damn good already, right?

RIGHT ON!! (or a supercharged h22 91 Lx Wagon) heck yeah half way done with it

one car is missing from the fotos is a mr2, i would liek to see one of those, mebbe with a hardtop from japan to make the car less girly, and a 3gs up in the bakc instead of the ninny pussy motor the third gen has, like the A'PEXi mr-s has in jgtc

Why is the steering wheel on the right side? Is FATF 2 in Europe or something?

Originally posted by akhedraki
Why is the steering wheel on the right side? Is FATF 2 in Europe or something?

For what??
The Skyline GT-R?
Skylines aren't made here in the US; they are made in Japan.
Grey market cars in America? Yes.

heehe...Does that include the USPS mail mobile? Who makes those?

What are all those bars around this car, they dont look like a normal camera rig.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/6.jpg

What Are all those bars around this car, they dont look like a normal camera rig, are they for some crazy stunt.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/5.jpg

Here is a something for you all.

Shell Valley Cobra, in Nebraska has sold and delivered 5 Shelby Cobras to the FAF2 set in FL. 4 of the cars were bare bones, and the 5th was all decked out for close ups and for the "hero" of the flick to drive.

The salesman, who is a very close family friend, was told 4 of the cars would most likly be wrecked in shooting, how sad.

This puts an intersting twist on the the feel of the cars, getting a pure horsepower american classic like the cobra will be a nice touch to this movie.

I don't know if it is just me, but the last Fast and the Furious was based in USA, hence the left hand drive cars. The GTR's and the Pink Viper in those pictures are right hand drive cars, so unless FAF2 is going to be based in Japan, or somewhere that converting a viper from left to right hand drive(or vice versa) for road legal registration, I would say those pictures could just be of some car show in Japan. Nice pictures though.

now i look, its not a viper eh, haha. oh well.

This will no dout be a kick ass movie i will be eagerly looking out for the skylines and the evo 7's :D


The only problem i had with the first movie was the continuous up shifts!! and those civics sounded horible:mad: compared to my bro's boss's 93 civic

Originally posted by killa ganj
I don't know if it is just me, but the last Fast and the Furious was based in USA, hence the left hand drive cars. The GTR's and the Pink Viper in those pictures are right hand drive cars, so unless FAF2 is going to be based in Japan, or somewhere that converting a viper from left to right hand drive(or vice versa) for road legal registration, I would say those pictures could just be of some car show in Japan. Nice pictures though.

there is no law stating that steering wheels belong on the left or right hand side. its just what the companies build becuz we drive that way. & there is only 1 story of somebody making the righthand-drive Skyline GTR a left hand conversion, & that was in Saudi Arabia, i think. www.skylinegtr.com will sell you a US street legal Skyline, right hand drive of course.

To the guy that was complaining about the steering-wheels being on the right hand side and saying the photos were from a Japanese car show:
:rollseyes:

Check the original movie - the Skyline GTR driven by the character "Leon" was a right-hand drive. This is because Skylines were (still are?) illegal in the United States - and must be imported from Japan. Hence, the right-hand drive.

They've got no qualms about using right-hand drive cars - because thats part of the diversity, thats PART of the import scene. If you're getting cars from Japan - some people keep them as right-hand drives, some people shell out for the conversion.


Personally, I can't wait for the sequel - the story line sounds pretty interesting. (You can find out very detailed story summaries, and character traits at various sites on the web - if you want directions, just ask me) Anyway, I don't care too much about the storyline - I just want action scenes, fights, explosions, fast cars and PLENTY of close ups of those hot bods (the cars that is).
I loved the first movie - right from the opening scene I was hooked on those cars - partly because I have a thing for neons under the chassis - and those Civics looked good.



People think I'm strange, because I've seen the movie so many times - but I just love cars. Thats another reason they think I'm weird - because I'm a girl.


Anyone got a problem with Girl Racers?





-Ice





:frog:

Haha, I think someone half-mentioned this before; but, it was kind of... entertaining the constant gear shifting. For example, when Brian was driving Dom in the Mitsubishi Eclipse (after escaping the 'police raid') The whole time they driving, you periodically hear the blow-off valve going - as Brian is apparently constantly shifting gears, although maintaining constant speed and having no need to change gears. Also, the really lame thing of "ooh.. look I changed up a gear (for the 10th time - gee must be.. really "special" cars.. huh) I can now go faster". :bloated:




Ah well, all fun and games. I don't recommend going to watch that or its sequel with an eye for detail. You'll find lots of technical flaws - but hey, its a movie right? ;)

;) Those are such nice cars! I can't will till FAF2 comes out!!

ooo cool 2003 vipers! yellow? hmmm ok i guess. yeah the other cars could be nicer, but check out the interior with that huge nos bottle. nice. well if they stick to the atmosphere of the first movie it should be sweet. more car scenes though! forget the cops talking!

hahah yeah the shifting. brian. he shifts and hes body doesnt move at all ! the cars like rrrrrrrrr-rrrrrrrrr-rrrrrrrr he moves like once the whole time >?? what the hell o well the cars are cool

I guess that SOME good might come out of a sequel to F&F... maybe THIS time people will notice that all the GOOD cars are either RWD or AWD. FF is nice for groceries and all, but when it comes to putting power to the ground, its way too inefficient.

dont get me wrong, I thought the 1st F&F was pretty good, but c'mon... When you whittle down the thin plot and outlandish schemes there is only 1 thing left... a 2 hour n02 comercial. After that everyone called it NOS instead of nitrous or N-O-2. Oh well, maby this one will get a better plot and better acting than last time. But without Desil...

Bah, ill still be there for the first showing anywhoo, im a comercial wh0re.. =P

Originally posted by thrasher
Well, to put it bluntly Devil, No, you are wrong. First off, A viper does not have a SOHC engine, it is OHV. This means that the engine block contains one overhead camshaft. SOHC means one camshaft per bank, which equals 2, and DOHC means 2 camshafts per bank, which equals 4. And yeah, 1 hp per ci might have cut it 20 years ago, but a decent engine makes much, much more than that. Let's look at a few examples.
1 Ferrari Enzo-366 CI=660HP 2 Aston Martin DB7-366 CI=414HP
3 Acura RSX-S-122 CI=200HP 4 Honda S2000-122 CI=240 HP
5 Nissan Max-213 CI=255HP 6 Acura TL-S-195 CI=260 HP
7 Porsche 911-219 CI=320HP 8 Toyota Celica GTS-109 CI=180HP
9 BMW M3-195 CI=333HP 10 Honda Accord EX-183 CI=240HP

You get the picture. And those aren't all even high performance vehicles, either. It is a commonly accepted fact that DOHC engines produce much more power than OHV, that is why more and more cars use them these days. American companies refuse to put them in some vehicles because it is much easier, not to mention cheaper to manufacture an engine that is much bigger with a lot less technology. I guarantee you that if a Viper engine (8.3 liter) was DOCH and was tuned to match European/Japanes specs, it could easily produce 800 hp.
I'm just saying that you have to look at reality here. Granted, a Viper has a lot of torque, but like I said, were it DOHC, it would have a whole h*ell of a lot more.
:flipa: :bandit:
Pardon me, but OHV means NO cams over the head!! The only reason for putting over-head cams on a car is to reduce valvetrain friction and mass. Yes, pushrods engines can put out the same power numbers as an OHC engine, the position of the cam has nothing to do with available lift, duration, or ramp-angle. One only other benefit to OHC designs is more freedom to open the combustion chamber as in "Hemi" heads. Hmmmm, hemi-heads! Weren't those introduced by Chrysler in the early 60's?? Leave they engineering to the ENGINEERS, and if you think your S2000 with 240 hp can take my '87 Grand National with it's 230 hp V6, bring it on!!

Originally posted by blindwhite




Second, doesn't anyone know that there is a column of air over a 100 miles up through the atmosphere for every square inch of ground that your car rolls on? That whole column or air produces 14.7 psi! Now your say to yourself, "where have I heard psi before?". Turbo's and Superchargers(or Blowers to you ci loving hotrodders) is what you come up with. Yes, you think of that because they are related. Your normally aspirated larger cc engine may suck in A LOT more AIR in regards to VOLUME and in relation to an engine half your size; but, going back to that column of air producing 14.7 psi, the large displacement engine's cylinders do not completely fill up its volume with air at BDC to have a pressure equal to the atmospheric pressure of 14.7 because of friction and air restrictions along the intake track. That 14.7 is what an engine performance tech would also call the Stoichiometric ratio. For every 14.7 parts of air you add/mix one part of Hydrocarbon. Meaning to say, that unless you are getting EXACTLY 14.7 parts of air in a cylinder, you do not add 1 part of fuel. 14.7 psi measured in the cylinder is 100% Volumetric Efficiency. Anything less that is definitely NOT 100%.

Now, I'd estimate that the single camshaft V engine has a volumetric efficiency of only 8-10psi(i dunno, correct me if I'm wrong), but it is definitely not 14.7. And what if you took a car with that engine to near Colorado Springs and drive it up that hill climb? You take that 500(bhp?) Viper up that hill the best you can and you'll never beat the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo which happens to be the fastest so far to get up there.
Reason for your poor performance? Inefficiency and the fact that at the end of the race you were producing 90 less horsepower.

On the other hand, if you take the Skyline GT-R tuned to 500hp or more up that hill, then you'll make it up there faster then your previous trial with the Big Block, and probably with enough gas to beat the Big Block down the hill. Reason for this Skyline victory is because on it's way up the hill it maintained as close as possible it's Volumetric Efficiency. As a matter of fact, it doing 500+ hp says that it is doing more work than at 100% 14.7 psi. It may be taking in a volumetric efficiency of 25psi. 14.7 plus 14.7 is nearly 30psi. That's like having TWO engines IN ONE. No wonder the Small volume High performance DOHC engine is beating the Single V Big Block. Its working more to fill it's cylinders with air two times more than itself, and three times more than the Big Block. At the top of that hill, the Skyline will still be producing 500 hp because it's lungs are still drawing in 25 or so psi, as compared to the Big Block Single camshaft drawing in less.


Third, if you want to measure ci to hp ratios then here is your Final Thought. You say the Dodge Viper has an engine of 8 Litres. 8 times 61 is 488. That means the engine is 488 cubic inches. The horsepower is 500(bhp?). That leaves us with a ratio of 1.02 hp per cubic inch.
Now, the Skyline GT-R R34 has an engine of 2.6 Litres. 2.6 times 61 is 158. That gives us an engine that is 158 cubic inches. The horsepower at stock is 280. That my steel junkie is a a ratio of 1.77hp per cubic inch. Does 1.77 look larger than 1.02 to you on the real number line?
How about if we take the Skyline GT-R around the Vipers ballpark? 316 cubic inches with 500+ Horsepower. The 8 litre beating Skyline has a power to volume ratio of ATLEAST 1.58 hp per cubic inch. My numbers may be off, but it still shows that 1.58 is greater than 1.02.
(Thanks to thrasher for additional info on other cars producing more than 1.02 hp per cubic inch. DOHC helps intake fullfill better volumetric efficiency).

Sorry this is off topic but its necessary.

If you don't understand a word I said, then just think about one thing:

Formula One
3.0 litre V-10 producing 800 Horsepower at 18,000 RPM.

Or, just ask what is hard to comprehend and I'm sure someone here will answer.

:eek: :D :flipa: :devil: :sun:
Pikes Peak is more of a traction race than horsepower, you forgot that 80% of it is DIRT!! And yet, in every other racing venue in the world were horribly inefficient US cars compete head-to-head with others, WE ALWAYS WIN!!!

Originally posted by BingBingMa
And the Vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

Hmmm, The rear lights on a DODGE Viper make it look like a Chrysler?? CAN'T IMAGINE WHY!!!

Gluttony and inefficiency. Here is an example of your typical American malcontent whiner. Stick a tampon in it and shut your pie-hole, your looking REALLY stupid here.

Originally posted by BingBingMa
but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.

hehez, agree wtih that:
viper = 500hp out of 8.1l
honda integra = 192 hp out of 1.8l

i hope there will be an integra too in TFF2

They kinda look like the Dodge Concept Car.

int dodge part of chrysler?:( :confused:

just becaus chrysler owns dodge doesnt mean they have to take styling cues off eachother, besides the dodge viper doesnt even have a chrysler chassis sharing counterpart, so there is no reason for it to look anything like a chrysler. U dont see a integra take many styling cues from a civic do u, even tho they share many other things in common

and murco, u dick loving faggot, ur grand national would get its ass kicked by any stock s2000. (weak ass v6 making only 230, and its prolly the crank number, seeing as how murco loves shaft)

(heheh, im talking lots of smack today):D

bu those taillights looks like chryslers!

yes

My question is why is there 2 yellow vipers and 2 silver skylines that are exactly the same? Is it possible they are going to wreck one of those cars? I'd cringe to see either of those thing shattered to pieces like that Charger ended up.

Originally posted by rooskibar03

This puts an intersting twist on the the feel of the cars, getting a pure horsepower american classic like the cobra will be a nice touch to this movie.

Unfortunately, they used a V6 Camaro (the black one in the album) instead of a Z28...how lame!

Originally posted by BingBingMa
and murco, u dick loving faggot, ur grand national would get its ass kicked by any stock s2000. (weak ass v6 making only 230, and its prolly the crank number, seeing as how murco loves shaft)

(heheh, im talking lots of smack today):D

Yes you are! The Grand National's hp rating is off the crank, just like the S2000. The GN, with it's "weak-ass V6 turbo," would absolutely smoke an S2000 which doesn't produce shit for power until 5.5K rpm. It's all top end and absolutely gutless when it come to torque (which wins races)!! I ran an S2000 with my Jetta GLI and was side-by-side with him right up to shut down. I gave up 40 hp and 500 pounds of weight and it still couldn't waste me!!

Originally posted by Murco

Pikes Peak is more of a traction race than horsepower, you forgot that 80% of it is DIRT!! And yet, in every other racing venue in the world were horribly inefficient US cars compete head-to-head with others, WE ALWAYS WIN!!!

You loser...who cares about the past, I dont, and that's why I look at now and who made it up. besides, that was the argument. it's still proven, stop breakin balls. Air and proper fuel makes power you jerk.
Oppose that and you'll be a fool. Say something again, and I'll just leave you to lose for not being a believer....if that's what you are trying to say.

Originally posted by Murco

Pardon me, but OHV means NO cams over the head!! The only reason for putting over-head cams on a car is to reduce valvetrain friction and mass. Yes, pushrods engines can put out the same power numbers as an OHC engine, the position of the cam has nothing to do with available lift, duration, or ramp-angle. One only other benefit to OHC designs is more freedom to open the combustion chamber as in "Hemi" heads. Hmmmm, hemi-heads! Weren't those introduced by Chrysler in the early 60's?? Leave they engineering to the ENGINEERS, and if you think your S2000 with 240 hp can take my '87 Grand National with it's 230 hp V6, bring it on!!

Would anyone like to tell me how much the Grand National WEIGHs and how much the S2000 WEIGHs? Please

the 2002 s2000 weighs in at 2800 lbs, while a 87 gn is 3250

Originally posted by BingBingMa
the 2002 s2000 weighs in at 2800 lbs, while a 87 gn is 3250

O K
One would be nuts to think that the power to weight ratio of the Grand National will outperform the S2000.

Where do these people come from? :bloated:
Weight is one thing; Downforce is another.

murco does have a point about the s2000 in particular tho, the 240 horses dont kick in until 8300 rpm!!!, thats a little too long to wait for, so it wouldnt be all that hard to beat in a quarter. But murco, all u seem to talk about is going in a straight line, in a real race where u have to change the direction of the car and downshift, any domestic would get raped.

Originally posted by BingBingMa
murco does have a point about the s2000 in particular tho, the 240 horses dont kick in until 8300 rpm!!!, thats a little too long to wait for, so it wouldnt be all that hard to beat in a quarter. But murco, all u seem to talk about is going in a straight line, in a real race where u have to change the direction of the car and downshift, any domestic would get raped.

I doubt it would take forever and a day to rev and run the car up in first gear to 8300. the car is still light and an engine like that happens to rev to peak rather quickly, no slower than any other. After first gear it does not matter anymore about reaching peak because the rpm drops within the normal intervals of an upshift and the cars matched gear ratios; of course the RPM is going to already be up there ready for the next gear. Pop the clutch above 2000 with solid engine mounts and the car will reach peak in good time since the engine has less total mass to fight against. Engine itself is slightly oversquare and not a stroker, hence why the high rev. Maybe if the car was as heavy as the Grand National would the S2000 fall behind.

Originally posted by blindwhite


You loser...who cares about the past, I dont, and that's why I look at now and who made it up. besides, that was the argument. it's still proven, stop breakin balls. Air and proper fuel makes power you jerk.
Oppose that and you'll be a fool. Say something again, and I'll just leave you to lose for not being a believer....if that's what you are trying to say.

You lost me there, brainstorm! What point are you too desperately ignorant to get across??!!

Originally posted by Murco


You lost me there, brainstorm! What point are you too desperately ignorant to get across??!!

Read more often.

sorry if I like to use commas a lot. Maybe you dont comprehend because you are ignorant of simple vocabulary, and are trying to fit it all together with your poor knowledge of physics and the four-stroke engine. I wasn't trying to write an essay.

Both cars were hypothetically using the same 'dirt' track so it's still even. if you want to complain about traction then go start a new thread.
For the argument and the significant marginal difference, the engines performed different as they climbed in elevation.
Would it have been easier for you if we put the RB26DETT into the Viper, becuase I'm guessing the platform(body and wheels) are just keeping you from looking deeper?

Air and Proper fuel makes power.....you ignorant jerk.

Like what I said, how does this start from one person saying inefficiency, to another opposing, followed by someone explaining why, and then traction?
Because people like Murco stray off topic.

Really you had absolutely little point.

You loser...who cares about the past, I dont, and that's why I look at now and who made it up. besides, that was the argument. it's still proven, stop breakin balls. Air and proper fuel makes power you jerk.

The past matters quite a bit. It matters so much that you take history classes from grade school to college.

Say something again, and I'll just leave you to lose for not being a believer....if that's what you are trying to say.

What in the hell are you talking about? Being a believer, a believer about what?

actually i dont think history is all that important, i still havent found any practical usage for all the years of histoyr ive learned, the importance of what happened before is not that significant, just because somehting has been someway doesnt mean it should stay that way.

but thats really getting off the topic of the cars, blindwhite is correct in his argument about volumetric efficiency, even if he does not articulate it the best.

a dohc will outperform the any ohv in a wide range of situations due to its ability to ingest for air, and thats the bottom line, no fancy calculations r needed.

Originally posted by BingBingMa
actually i dont think history is all that important, i still havent found any practical usage for all the years of histoyr ive learned, the importance of what happened before is not that significant, just because somehting has been someway doesnt mean it should stay that way.

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

whats your point, according to divine reccurence, since time is infinite, all things that have have happened have occured before and will occur again in the future, so repetition is inevitable.

i think we are getting off topic though.

Originally posted by BingBingMa
i think we are getting off topic though.

Do ya really think so? LOL :D

Really, everyone is just funny-going off tangent and talking about the craziest things.
All of a sudden someone talks about history instead of automobiles.
HAHA!! :rolleyes:
If you think about it, History is good when you learn it then and there and never think about it again. You MAKE a DIFFERENT future, and history is a repeating UPWARD spiral. So why say the past is important when we presume it is just going to happen again(the next level in the spiral)? You are not supposed to continue thinking about the past, just remember it, and the future should follow the forward line to what is better, but the up's and down's will obviously repeat again. The Future should never be the same as the past. Don't dwell on the past history.

We are off topic.......so what about those cars?
I think this thread is done.:licker:

Well, I sure hope FAF2 is a better movie than FAF.

Computer generated drag races? Give me a break! How hard is it to film a drag race?

All you guys that have been at drage races know that it is not possible to exchange lead more than once - you get smoked or you smoke the other - unless some misshap happens (blown engine, missed gear, engine "hiccup").

That S2000 is a bit to pink for my taste, but I suppose there is a market for that. Not a big fan of Gold cars either.

And if I may add to the american iron/import efficiency debate, let me paraphrase what I heard from a guy on High Rev Tuners (Speed Channel): "Sure, those import tuned engines are very evolved and technical marvels. Sure, they push out more than 200hp/liter, but the fact is, they have 450hp , and I have 600..." Hard to fault that statement, innit?

BTW, I am a fan of hightech engine, but facts are facts...

Oh and finally, about that:

yet, in every other racing venue in the world were horribly inefficient US cars compete head-to-head with others, WE ALWAYS WIN!!!

That is just plain wrong. Ask Don Panoz - his "big cubes" Ford powered LMP900 cars have had their ass handed to them for the third straight year by Audi in ALMS. And up til around 1995, there was a reserve in the Indy 500 rules to allow N/A 454 engine powered car to run - guess what? everybody stuck with their 2.65L turbo engines.

Winston Cup cars use the big iron engines not because they are better, but because they are not allowed to run anything else. They used to have OHC engines in WC - they were banned because it was an "unfair advantage".

During the 80s, Ford Europe ran Cosworth Sierras in Touringf car races - more than 500hp from a 2l Turbo 4 banger. And it ran in 24hrs long events too.

Really, they only place where I think the old style engines are still king of the roost is High end Drag racing.

my .02$ (OK, maybe.05$ ;) )

computer generated races????
that sucks!:mad:

Well, the first big race in FAF1 was computer generated...

And it sucked.

I guess some people in here never watched the special features section of the dvd for FaF, nor a special making off on television.
It sure did suck for all those lights to flash by like the cars were going light speed and beyond, and for nearly a minute too! That long and they weren't even that far away from where all the cars were parked in the street where they had started.
Last time I have seen races, a huge gardners truck(really!) did not even take 20 seconds to get to the end of 1320. That was funny because the man on the speakers presenting the race that day said, "Hey, I hope this guys boss knows where he is right now. I guess he had a strange urge to race his truck on lunch break."
Maybe we'll have an ending like the first movie except this time it's the pink car doing a back flip while racing a super-pinto, both nearly missing a run-away bread truck.

I can confirm for dure 100% these are FAF2 cars. I was leaving MDCC like 7 PM at night two weeks ago and saw the cars - FAF2 has been filming in Miami all month. :eek2: Bumped into Tyrese too, in front of Union Lounge on South Beach.

I have to say these cars look way better than the cars from the last movie. But i don't understand what would cause somebody to take a car like an R34 Skyline and make it look like a rice burner. Racing stripes? APC? Blue plastic dash board? These are things you never do to a decent performance cars. And that green Lancer, yet another legend ruined by none other than bad taste. I won't even start about that pink S2000......:rolleyes:

because there are good cars it doesnt meens that is going to be a good movie/1

Lol hey whats up collin..... Yeah I agree. I hate when ppl put stickers alll over there car. Half the time they don't even have products made by that company..... And + it just looks like shit.

ppl think that by putting stickers the cars looks more racing!

Originally posted by thrasher
Well, to put it bluntly Devil, No, you are wrong. First off, A viper does not have a SOHC engine, it is OHV. This means that the engine block contains one overhead camshaft. SOHC means one camshaft per bank, which equals 2, and DOHC means 2 camshafts per bank, which equals 4. And yeah, 1 hp per ci might have cut it 20 years ago, but a decent engine makes much, much more than that. Let's look at a few examples.
1 Ferrari Enzo-366 CI=660HP 2 Aston Martin DB7-366 CI=414HP
3 Acura RSX-S-122 CI=200HP 4 Honda S2000-122 CI=240 HP
5 Nissan Max-213 CI=255HP 6 Acura TL-S-195 CI=260 HP
7 Porsche 911-219 CI=320HP 8 Toyota Celica GTS-109 CI=180HP
9 BMW M3-195 CI=333HP 10 Honda Accord EX-183 CI=240HP

You get the picture. And those aren't all even high performance vehicles, either. It is a commonly accepted fact that DOHC engines produce much more power than OHV, that is why more and more cars use them these days. American companies refuse to put them in some vehicles because it is much easier, not to mention cheaper to manufacture an engine that is much bigger with a lot less technology. I guarantee you that if a Viper engine (8.3 liter) was DOCH and was tuned to match European/Japanes specs, it could easily produce 800 hp.
I'm just saying that you have to look at reality here. Granted, a Viper has a lot of torque, but like I said, were it DOHC, it would have a whole h*ell of a lot more.
:flipa: :bandit:

Your an idot, you have absolutely no idea what it take to build an engine of any kind. Only ricers argue that HP per Liter is a valid way of judgeing a cars performance or worth. Taking a pushrod V8 and converting it to DOHC will make you NO more HP. You make power in the heads, the more air they flow, the higher velosity of air, the more efficient they are, the more power the engine makes. And HP per Liter still means NOTHING. HP to weight and RWHP are what count.

"I'm just saying that you have to look at reality here" :rolleyes:

I've never seen such stubborn foolishness.

How about "the fast and the sleepers". Wouldn't that show them sticker crazed people?

Who cares about the whole import vs american thing... you people need to realise that all of your cars are the same... they're all CARS. (or trucks.. but still... THE SAME). I mean, get over it. You all are into the same hobby, some like show, some like go, some like big displacement, some small.... but the point is, no matter what you like.... IT'S STILL A CAR. Can't we all just shut our egotistical mouths and get along? that's a dumb question...

and btw... vipers are great if you can afford one, but I've seen dsm's with under $25k into them (still street legal, and that price includes the car) absolutely stomp a viper at the drag strip and at an autocross. They weren't turbo vipers or anything... but they weren't stock. The dsms had about 500-550whp. The vipers were around 600. They cost..what... $80,000?

but anyway

The cars are way better looking than the last movie. I do think it sucks how they left the vipers simple and clean looking but riced out the skylines. I really would have like to see a nice clean cobalt blue skyline race one of those vipers.

Oh yeah, and APC is really generic. Everyone and they're brother has APC junk all over they're cars anymore. Then again... maybe it's better the movie uses the generic brands, it keeps the "cool" stuff from being too common.

Originally posted by destrux
btw... vipers are great if you can afford one, but I've seen dsm's with under $25k into them (still street legal, and that price includes the car) absolutely stomp a viper at the drag strip and at an autocross. They weren't turbo vipers or anything... but they weren't stock.


What's a DSM??:confused:
The best Hennessy Viper at the last Track-Day at Road Atlanta was 2 seconds behind my Camaro which puts down about 520 hp at the wheels.

Your point is well made, though. The one thing that does bring us all to the table is a love of cars. Maybe we (and me too) should keep that in mind...

Just don't rev that Civic next to me at a light! :finger:

Hey what's going on guys

My name is Rick and I'm new on this board.

Actually, I joined just so I can give some insiders on this thread (though this forum looks cool so I might here to stay :) )

ME and MY CAR was there at the F&F2 filming. I'm talking about the same exact set as the one you see in these pictures so of course, I know exactly what were there and WHY they were chosen, etc.

Anyway ....

That blue/silver Eclipse IS THE SAME ONE as the one you see at NOPI.
Fly Rice Racer, you were correct. Yes, he had a new paint job done for the movie. I met the owner at Hot Import Nights in Orlando, FL couple of weeks ago.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/12.jpg &
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/861094NOPI017.jpg

The reason why they have couple of the same exact cars in the movie is because just in case one messed up, they have another one to replace.
For example, they were filming Paul Walker "racing" in the Skyline, with a camera mounted on the side of the car. Well, he lost control and hit a curb with the Skyline. He messed up the back right tire. So tow truck came, towed that Skyline and here comes another one that they got so we move on. By the way, when we heard the crash, everyone was like "Oh No, not the Skyline!" instead of worrying more of Paul Walker lol

The colors you see on the cars in those pictures are the colors that will be in the movie.

The Pink S2000 will be driven by Devon Aoki. Her name in the movie is Suki. This S2000 going to crash during the street racing against the gray Skyline, orange RX7 and gold Supra. Its because when they film Devon came back after the race, she's driving the S2000 without the front bumper =/

They had a CASTING CALL down in Homestead, FL to choose cars to be used as extras for the movie. Out of the 500+ cars that were there, they only chose about 100 something cars. They look at many different aspects. Graphics, neons and strobes, colors, and more. So I think the reason why they chose that black Camaro (that's not Z28) was because of the graphics. She also has underbody neon.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/51581584/52870536WbNfSf
I was picked out because of my white interior, white rims, police strobe and underbody neon.

Oh yeah, I'm sure some of you have interest in how much the extras will be making lol. I'm getting paid $125/day to have me and my car in the movie. Its pretty good considering my car just parked there and look pretty lol and I do couple of stuff but when I'm tired, I just go inside my car and sleep for 3 or 4 hrs lol. The filming was for 6 days (Sat, Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs and Fri) but I only stayed for 5 cuz I had to go to Orlando for HIN. I heard there were alot of the cars missing at the last day of the filming lol

All the stickers you see on the cars, those are the companies supporting the movie. If you are found to have decals or logos that are not one of their supporting companies, you cant be on the set during filming. I was chillin next to my car and these wardrobe guys walked around and checking everyones outfit. This guy was wearing a hat that's made by the company that doesnt support the movie, they told him to take it off. Keep in mind, there is no logos whatsoever on this hat =/ . These guys walking around and checking out the label on the back of everyone shirts making sure everyone wearing the "right" stuff lol

The filming takes place both in Miami, Florida and in Cali. I was told that supposedly Paul Walker got fired off his police work in Cali and got sent down to Miami to bust up the drug dealings that's going on in street racings. He's given a partner, another young cop, which will be Tyrese. And some kid told me that Eva Mendez is going to be another one of his partner too. (She's hot by the way lol)

Where is this F&F2 opening night you guys been talking about? When the movie first come out, my upholstery place already talking to some big movie theater in the area about having our cars parked in the front by the entrance and there will be models, etc. Having a lil car show I guess .. There are about 5 cars that were chosen as extras for the movie that got their interior work done at this shop.

I know some of you guys think F&F1 was whack. Honestly, I think they do have somewhat cheesy plot and lines. Heck, I think that "Street close, find another way home pizza boy", "Damn street racers" ... was super cheesy but heck, it comes out of the director himself. That pizza boy was the director of the movie! =/
But lets face it, I dont remember any other movies that are made about the street racers. This prolly the closest one yet. It helps the Import scene abudantly but these newbies with little to no knowledge the one that ruins it for everyone else. They think aluminum wing is a must for every car, mad graphics & decals will add at least 10hp to your engine, peeling out at the car hang out thinking they're cool yet ruined it for everyone. Did you guys ever notice that 99% of the time, the cars that does burnouts at the car hang out usually are the ugliest ones there?!!

I hope you guys wont flame me for my comments. I like to have a good start on this message board cuz like I said, I'll be here more often (I'm active in about 4 message boards already lol)
If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or email me.

Thanks :flash:

the two cars on the back of the truck look like lancers which is pretty gay looking.

They look at many different aspects. Graphics, neons and strobes, colors, and more. So I think the reason why they chose that black Camaro (that's not Z28) was because of the graphics. She also has underbody neon.

thats kinda upsetting, the fact that the movie only focuses on the more showy aspects of the import scene. Everything has to be lit up, and look really good, or else, by their perspective, it wont go fast. The fact is, if they didnt spend the money on like 100 lights all over the car, and a 8000 dollar paint job, the car would have 30 more whp. And y does everyone have to use NOS, the hollywood version of street racing is a substance bereft, glamorous shell of the real world, but i guess thats what they need to attract a mainstream crowd.

i was also on th set of the movie,as my car was chosen as an extra.i met the guy with the corolla that is part of the forum "AsianRick".most cars were chosen cuz of the outside and not cuz of engine mods.at the casting they didnt even ave us open our hoods,they just picked the cars based on the way they appeared on he outside.the filming was long,it was fo 6 days for about 3 minutes of the movie.hopfully it will be better than the first

well ... i think they focus more on looks because after all, we're "parked" on the side of the road so uhm, i dont think performance really does matter in this scene

unless you're one of the main cars which would be the SKYLINE, SUPRA, RX7 and S2000

SUP PEDRO!!!

dang it man, I told you stop stalking me! :D

Ugh! :mad:

lol

ps: 6 days? whateva ... you werent there on Friday, just like me lol :finger:

but i guess thats what they need to attract a mainstream crowd

What they need to attract a mainstream public is a good plot, good characters and good actors. And believable stunts.

well then faf1 failed 4 times, and since paul walker is in the second one, the acting isnt gonna be much better

I thought the first film was a bit rubbish, but hopefully they learn from mistakes. ;)

And believable stunts.
It's a movie. It's going to have unbelievable stunts why bother complaining about it. Ever seen a James Bond movie? Most of the stuff in that would be complete bs in reality but hey they do it anyways.

You are right there.

Originally posted by jsb88
I thought the first film was a bit rubbish, but hopefully they learn from mistakes. ;)


haven´t you seen the first part?
well gone in 60 seconds has much nicer cars cause i donßt like these tuned ones..
i hope we´ll see some "real" sportscars in the second part...

gone in 60 seconds is my favourite DVD!

mine too absolut great and nice cars

will there be a second part?

Well, unbelievable stunts are expected from James Bond, since he has been doing it since 1962. Besides, I think older James Bond movies had stunts to spice up the plot, whuile the newer ones have plot to spice up the stunts...

The thing is, we know that jumping from a cliff to an airplane is probably impossible. But very few people have attempted it (I hope!!), so maybe, there is a very remote possibility that it might be true (Enough "ifs" in there for ya?).

However, doing a quarter mile run or a "red light grand prix" is done on a regular basis by most members of this board - so we all know that the way it was portrayed in FAF was pure and utter crap. That is what I call "insulting the intelligence of the viewer". But that is just me I guess...

Unlike most people, I cannot disconnect my (half-dead) brain at the movies. Seeing a 1967 Mustang flying over a traffic jam and landing without a scratch appals me. So is seeing a car rolling over and exploding. So is seeing a car pulling a wheelie and a burn-out AT THE SAME TIME. So is changing the map of an engine in the middle of a run and so is seeing a car with a blown head gasket running from the cops.

*** Steps off soapbox ***

My .05$

I don't thins so... I love it when they steal the Lamborghini. Tense moment!

I'm not convinced the yellow cars are vipers (but i could be wrong!!) a convertable viper and with not big ass spoiler on?? if they are indeed vipers then they chose poor models although the body kits (from what i can see) are quite nice! apart fromt he afore mentioned missing spoilers!

and yeah 500 bhp out of 8.1 ltr aint nothing to shout about really is it... but i am looking for a TVR Speed 12 (just gotta love UK engineering!) who knows all going well you might see my beast in FAF3 :eek: i could by the poor misguided english guy who gets tangle dup in the whole gangland stuffs and of course have the English car... hmmm i think i might start writing the script already sounds better than the 1st one..

As for the Barbie-mobile i think it's nice to see some real artwork on one of the FAF2 cars instead of the blocks of random day-glo colour!

oh well just my thoughts!!!

Rob

we donßt like the film (gone in 60 seconds) we like the cars...

annd


@FOB
that are vipers.. new modell!

I like the film because of cars! Who is going to see the next Bond film?

I will give you a hint

<----- :D

yea i´ll watch it
when does it start ... in germany i think beginning of december

yes, i think nov 22 in the states it comes out, i will look forward to watching it, i think i saw a testarossa spinning out sliding backwards in the tv trailer, it actually resembles a sw20, expect testarossa cost about 50 times more

o yeah, and halle berry is hot.

yea like in password swordfish (halle berry)

Halle Berry and nice cars seem to go together well.. (there's a none to bad TVR in swordfish too)

it´s a speed 6 i think

Nah it's a Tuscan could be a Tuscan S dont think the Tuscan R was released back then

hmmm

Which person is halle berry? Was she the one that made a pathetic crying fit when she got an oscar? I saw that live from Arizona.

The Speed 6 is a Cerbera and that is almost twice the size of the Tuscan plus the huge bonnet vent gives it away! and the outragous stylings!

In the Bond film is an XKR and an Aston Martin Vanquish. :D The XKR will win!:rolleyes:

yeah they wanted to give the baddies car (the XKR) more wepons than Bond for once!! shame it had to be bright green though!! the Vanquish is much more stylish and im glad to see bond back in an Aston!

I'm not convinced the yellow cars are vipers (but i could be wrong!!) a convertable viper and with not big ass spoiler on?? if they are indeed vipers then they chose poor models although the body kits (from what i can see) are quite nice! apart fromt he afore mentioned missing spoilers!

I've been seeing stuff like this quote over and over again...so i decided 2 post this...

http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/faf2/11.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2003_dodge_viper_srt-10-3.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2003_dodge_viper_srt-10-2.jpg

It's the NEW viper,not the old one,get it??thats why it doesn't have the spoiler...cause it's not tuned up!!!

EASY TIGER

i was told it was the new viper and i stood corrected ok.. and what's a car that hasn't been "tuned up" doing in a film like FAF2????

like i said anyway i only had a thought and it was pointed out to me that they were new model Vipers so you need to get off your soap box a little huh!

Those look nice!
I thought the XKR was silver.

Does anyone have pictures of the Rx7's? i read that there were going to be 5 of them. and anymore pics of the EVO II's?

...and what's a car that hasn't been "tuned up" doing in a film like FAF2????

Remember the black ferrari that raced the supra in the F&F1?Maybe they'll use the viper for a race like that(just guessing):smoker2:

the XKR i saw was Pea green and awful Bond is in a silvery coloured Vanqiush (that classic Aston silvery/gold colour they've done for years)

i know the bit you mean with the ferrari.. could be!! i can see it being used as some rich racer type guy who the "hardcore" street racers will no doubt embarass in there N2O'd up mobiles before hitting light speed and finding themselves in Star Wars Ep 3 giving a yoda a lift to the Degobah System...... hmmm im off on a tangent...

OK, we have definitely established that the vipers are indeed vipers, the person that said they werent was completly wrong, and alos, they odnt have any body kits on them as far as i can see, so the person that said they had nice body kits was also wrong, they appear to be fairly stock, but a stock viper is still fairly quick, its a nice car, if not somewhat brutish, but i guess thats in the spirit of a viper anyway.

I hope the S2000 is not turbocharged, although everything seems to have turbo nowadays, its just the default form of upgrade for a all tuners, but its kinda simpel ,adn robs alot of low end power, whihc the s200 doesnt have that much of anyway, i wish peepo would stop using so much nos, u dont even need to tune up your car if u plan on shooting nos 3 tims into your engine, a stock civic could beat alot of cars wiht 3 shots of nos (that is if its engine did not blow up)

I dont see y they have lancers either, if all they are goign to do is drag race, altough 4wd does have a better launch. (wish it had a misfiring system tho)

i couldn't agree more... it seems like Turbo's are (to me anyway) a no brainer and something that any one could have bolted on to an engine but with all the supercars (except very few) going down this road surely it's understandable where everyone is turning to the instant BHP of a turbo

e.g. Bugatti EB110 has no less than 4 turbos under it's Bonnet (Hood) this just says to me the engine isn't good enough

and nos well thats he same theory lazy BHP increases just get a bottle plumbed in and away you go the hardest thing is trying to keep the engine intact!

wont be long before people are trying compound charging ok it's not cheap but more effective than Turbo alone and a permanent engine feature unlike nos.. so i guess that means you could compound charge and nos on the same engine... if so inclined...

that the vipers are the new ones i try to tell you for 2 pages now...
hope there won´t be too many tuned up cars... but there probably will
:(

I think that those vipers are actually just going in for modifying. Most likely anyway.

does anyone think this car looks oddly fermiliar..........kant spell :alien:


http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=168772&page=1

its got the same body kit...........same rims.......

Originally posted by lynx05
does anyone think this car looks oddly fermiliar..........kant spell :alien:


http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=168772&page=1

its got the same body kit...........same rims.......

:( Another waste of a Skyline... if they ditch the stickers, drop the wing, and get rid of that gay little cell phone holder thing it would look cool :)

Is that a superstreet sticker on the wing? How sad :(

-Grendel

I am anti rice but that Skyline GT-R kicks ass no matter what you do to it........

that would be a half decent car if all the above coments were taken into consideration and the guy sorted out the interior.. that needs some real work!!

i really like these cars just hate what people do to them it almost puts me off them some times!!

(anyone who's got Sega GT on dream cast.. buy the Skyline and when you win enouhg races to do it up then you will see how nice a skyline can look.. i think one of the Sega programmers must own one and put it in this game..:D )

The interior is what is important, and that is far too bad for me too drive. :(

and your lotus...
i have never seen one from inside but i can imagine there´s not much luxus in it...

It is comfortable. :)

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/168000-168999/168772_61_full.jpg

Wtf is this? A Skyline? It looks like our old cars of the 60's. I guess that sort of proves what I've been saying for quite a while. Nissan = Japanese Muscle Cars. LoL thats pretty cool I didn't have a clue a japanese manufacturer made a car look like that.

Originally posted by DeViL
Wtf is this? A Skyline? It looks like our old cars of the 60's. I guess that sort of proves what I've been saying for quite a while. Nissan = Japanese Muscle Cars. LoL thats pretty cool I didn't have a clue a japanese manufacturer made a car look like that.

There are other old japanese cars with the same muscle car styling like that... I forget what its called, but some old Mazda looked a lot like that... (RX3 or something...?)

-Grendel

Really, thats cool.

That Skyline doesn't seem very attractive though. Kind of bulky in the back with a very thin front.

that looks good!

looks a bit like a pontiac

Do you not like it?

I thought that the first movie was good but after the movie hit the cinema's a bunch of wanna-be racers went out and through a spoiler and body kit on the car and drill a hole in their exhaust pipe and all of a sudden think that they are fast. I mean i dont know too much cuz im only 17 and learning but im starting to get tired of looking at all of the kids in my high school thinking that they are fast cuz the car looks good. tell me what the rest of you think about that, im interested in what your feelings are.:)

I knwo what you mean. I have properly modified cars before, and the point is that the just look better quality, sound better quality, and generally feel better when they are real modifications,rather than just tacking stuff onto cars. :) my £0.02:D

Yup so basically u got everyone drooling until u lift up the hood and they all see your stock parts and laugh at you because your a joke.

i think that skyline on the previous page belongs to paul walker.ive seen him on tv with his car,and thats his car.

or even worse, your stock parts have stopped working, and oyu have some old car parts from cars that are £20 from a local dump. :)

Isnt it supposed to be about riced out Hondas, mitsubishi's, and Acuras? NOw skylines Vipers and such? Its not that it really matters, but I'd rather see the hondas and such, more then vipers. I dont mind skylines,but Hnda and Viper are two DIFFERENT cartegorys. Let me know what u think.:bloated:

mmm I agree.

well i don´t like riced out hondas and acura´s


we prefer to talk about vipers :D

im not sure if anyone say these yet but here is a site they are on..........its just 3 more pics

http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news/news229.shtm

found even more pics at http://www.importtuner.com/features/0211it_ff/

good work! :flash:

Well like everyone has said so far. Yes the cars do look a hell of alot better. You could almost say they wheren't ricey anywho back to the subject. Since there are a few more domestics appearing in the next movie even some that wi;; be for sale in the next up comming year that wheren't avalible here before (coughSKYLINEcough). Don't forget the new RX-8 too. Kinda funny when you think aboutit though wil everyone go out and start buying eclipes and skylines now ? Or will it be Z06's and Vipers ?

~Blackbob~

Originally posted by DeViL
http://images.cardomain.com/installs/168000-168999/168772_61_full.jpg

Wtf is this? A Skyline? It looks like our old cars of the 60's. I guess that sort of proves what I've been saying for quite a while. Nissan = Japanese Muscle Cars. LoL thats pretty cool I didn't have a clue a japanese manufacturer made a car look like that.

To tell you the truth dude Skylines have been around for as long as Corvettes have been around. As a matter a fact they are older then both Camaros and Mustangs. After WorldWar 2 skylines are what helped build up japanese racing respect. In a since helped rebuild the economy. But anywho that's enough history for one day I guess.

those cars are bad and the movie is going to rule the first one sucked but the cars already look better

You are right there, the first film was rubbish, but this is looking better now. ;)

Originally posted by Grendel


I'm 99% sure they are vipers... :)

-Grendel


r u GUys taLkin bout those gReenish lookin cars? wit the big gt wings?n da clear tail lights?? coz if u r u guys r all stoopid...coz dey aint vipers dere evo7 lancers...i dont c how u can get confused wit a viper n a lancer...u guys who all thought it was a viper r fUckin stoopid :flipa:

Originally posted by y2khai



r u GUys taLkin bout those gReenish lookin cars? wit the big gt wings?n da clear tail lights?? coz if u r u guys r all stoopid...coz dey aint vipers dere evo7 lancers...i dont c how u can get confused wit a viper n a lancer...u guys who all thought it was a viper r fUckin stoopid :flipa:

You're an idiot...

Originally posted by y2khai



r u GUys taLkin bout those gReenish lookin cars? wit the big gt wings?n da clear tail lights?? coz if u r u guys r all stoopid...coz dey aint vipers dere evo7 lancers...i dont c how u can get confused wit a viper n a lancer...u guys who all thought it was a viper r fUckin stoopid :flipa:


you are such a supid guy :flipa:
we´re talking of the vipers yea but they don´t have a spoiler muahahha :finger:
the vipers are the yellow ones
probably you are not up to date it´s the new 2003 viper

and... a tip

learn english :finger:

Menu dei motori knows better english than most people here! :)

thanks for that copmpliment jsb...
but i know myself.. my english isn´t that good either
but a little bit better :D at least my writing :D

Ah the ripe spell of white trash ignorance........

r u GUys taLkin bout those gReenish lookin cars? wit the big gt wings?n da clear tail lights?? coz if u r u guys r all stoopid...coz dey aint vipers dere evo7 lancers...i dont c how u can get confused wit a viper n a lancer...u guys who all thought it was a viper r fUckin stoopid

How can you call people stupid if you can't even speak proper english? Menu dei motori knows better english than you.

Originally posted by Menu dei Motori
thanks for that copmpliment jsb...
but i know myself.. my english isn´t that good either
but a little bit better :D at least my writing :D


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can´t you behave like all in this forum and write normal like we all do? :confused:

Wow im shocked that y2khai can be such an ignorant 14 year old. why can't u just be cool and try to make some friends in this place and not a bunch of enemies...and if u are trying to make friends, calling everyone stupid becuz u have no idea what car we are discussing doesn't exactly make u the most popular kid in the forum. take a few english lesson along with some anger management counseling and then get back to us on your progress :D until then stop being such a scumbag and learn some manners :finger:

Originally posted by BTJuggalo
Wow im shocked that y2khai can be such an ignorant 14 year old. why can't u just be cool and try to make some friends in this place and not a bunch of enemies...and if u are trying to make friends, calling everyone stupid becuz u have no idea what car we are discussing doesn't exactly make u the most popular kid in the forum. take a few english lesson along with some anger management counseling and then get back to us on your progress :D until then stop being such a scumbag and learn some manners :finger:

sOz gUys bUt dIs iS hOw i tYPe....bUt iM sOwy 4 sTArtin sO mUch sHIt bUt i dIdnT c thOse nU vIpERs at da fROnt cOz as i sEd mE dONt nOe mUch bOut aMericAn carS n yEsh i dO aPoLogiZe 4 taLkin wItoUt lOokin...sOo cAn we wIPe dIs cLEan n sTart aLl oVA???:confused: :(

he´s beyond help

type normal guy!!!!!

What is the AF justice system like? :D

All those cars are tight as hell, no question, except for the stickers on the skyline>

I suppose we can let it slide this time y2khai but we're all here to learn and talk and have fun, not tool on people and make fun of them. everyone has their own opinion on how something should be done but we can't just call someone stupid because their method of doing something is different then yours. thats all i have to say about that...

No netbullying. :mad: ok?.....


:) :D Good lets play nice! :) :D

Looks really cool

Originally posted by BingBingMa
adn the vipers look pretty gay too, not only do the rear lights make them loo like chrysler's,. but they only make 500 hp out of 8.1 litres, quite symbolic of american gluttony and inefficiency.


You're a jackass.

I SAID LETS PLAY NICE!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: