mysterious cautions...

ok so the race today was going to have an exciting finish... until nascar threw another one of their wonderful debris cautions that no one else can see. it is just downright ridiculous now. i am 100% convinced that they do this on purpose in an effort to help certain drivers or to tighten the field up for the finish. its bullshit. ive been thinking this for 2 years and after it just keeps happening im sure its no accident. what a joke

thoughts?

i ddnt see the dibris, but for all we konw it could have been a piece of foam from with in the cars, like robby gordon last yr.
i dnt care wat they throw cuations for, watching someone lead the entire race(denny hamlin last yr at pocono) it's boring, u can almost always guess who will win. only traffic screws that up

All I know is that is yet another bleeding boring race, and to be at Atlanta yet?

well it might have been exciting to see who runs out of gas and who doesnt. but being boring is another issue... nascar needs to stop running so many of these damn 1.5 milers. they are all like this. i dont like them one bit. tony stewart had some great comments about them last week. i am so glad bristol is coming up its ridiculous. only bad thing about it is texas is after it. we get rid of tracks people love like rockingham and put this bullshit in, its stupid. i think the new iowa speedway is a track they need to seriously consider also. i also think no track should get two dates, except daytona maybe just because its daytona.

i agree to many cookie cutter 1.5 mile tracks. isnt there like a one mile dirt track that i think ARCA runs on i think its called like springfield or something that would be excititng. but yeah they took away the rock because theres to many tracks in the carolina's and they wanted to diversify and expand which is bull shit. But w/e nascar can do almost anything and we would still all watch

But w/e nascar can do almost anything and we would still all watch

unfortunatly that is largely the case. but if indy cars get their act together and get some popular drivers, nascar might have to listen to their fans eventually. however as it looks right now... that day is pretty far off.

as for running a dirt track, that would be insanely awesome, but its not going to happen. a good candidate might be eldora though, the track tony stewart owns here in ohio. iroc will race there if they get sponsorship. it would cost money cause they'd build specific cars for dirt tracks, but hey, its not like they dont already do that for road courses and superspeedways...

ive been a die hard nascar guy since i can remember but the racing in the open wheel ranks is so much more exciting if they could get there act together. yeah nascar could care less about the fans at this point they just want more markets

ive been a die hard nascar guy since i can remember but the racing in the open wheel ranks is so much more exciting if they could get there act together. yeah nascar could care less about the fans at this point they just want more markets

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im going to 3 indy races this year, inculding the 500

i wish that new hampshire still had the irl but they dont and there is no track that they race at that is a reasonable drive for me so :(

that sucks, i got lucky i guess. the indy 500 is about 2 hours from me, and kentucky and mid-ohio are both about 1.5 hours.

i'm around 45mins from pocono, and 4hrs from watkins glen. also dover is all of 3hrs away

20 minutes from Chicagoland (Joliet) and my loving family has yet to send me on my mary way for the first time since it opened :(

Having my will re-written back to cremation and ashes dumped on turn 4 @ Daytona, if they can't give me a living wish, why should I give them a dying wish :dunno:

not ot be rude, but u could save up ur own money and get ur own ticket and say screw u i'm going neway

Perfectly understandable and not rude at all.

To clarify, in the merry role of "Dad", with mouths to feed, clothing and shelter to rpovide, and a home under contruction, being the electrician, carpenter, plumber, and overall general ocntractor :lol: I know our budget. I have to plan months in advance around it.

SO, it would be a nice treat to finally get my wish of waking up on father's day (which just so happens to be a few weeks just before the race), getting breakfast in bed (will settle for cold beer), and an envelope with the damn tickets in it.

It should happen someday, hell it only took 3 years to get a air compressor that wouldn't blow the garage circuit sky high :lol2:

opk, i honostly thought u were like in college or something, and u thought maybe ur mom or dad would by it. but i understand u have other more important things in life. racing is a luxery to go to an event.
i want to race porsche and others like that(scca) most people say racing is a luxery, i look at it as a passion something i want to do and nomatter the sacrifice i will do. i'm 19, i have my whole life to get there.

we had another awesome caution at bristol :rolleyes:

ill give them this, there was atleast a bumper bar... but it was no where even close to the racing surface. i dont see why they need to stop a perfectly good race to pick up something on the apron near the wall. then there was the awesome timing of JJ's caution when he blew the tire. the asshole wouldnt get off the track even though he could of multiple times. then they throw a caution after two laps, how retarded. they should have just black flagged him :disappoin

its almost like nascar is trying to drive fans away to the IRL...

Do they even keep a black flag in the stand anymore?

lol so how many green white checkards have we had so far

well heres my opion of the caution for the bumper bar. it's bristol, the entire track is used. there a 160,001 people surrounding that track, say that bumper is hit by another driver when he ducks down to pit road, or when he avoids hitting a spinning car. he hits the bumper bar, and it flys up into one of the lower stands and hits someone. yea that would go over well in the media. so they low down the race so they can pick it up.
as a person that has had a bumper fly off the track and go thru my windshield when racing, i dnt mind them slowing down and picking that stuff up, it's a caution, another word is safety

well heres my opion of the caution for the bumper bar. it's bristol, the entire track is used. there a 160,001 people surrounding that track, say that bumper is hit by another driver when he ducks down to pit road, or when he avoids hitting a spinning car. he hits the bumper bar, and it flys up into one of the lower stands and hits someone. yea that would go over well in the media. so they low down the race so they can pick it up.
as a person that has had a bumper fly off the track and go thru my windshield when racing, i dnt mind them slowing down and picking that stuff up, it's a caution, another word is safety

that one certainly wasnt as bad as the phantom cautions. im just worked up because of the cautions they've thrown for no apparent reason.

Bumper bar? What about the splitter brace that was hanging off of Harvicks car for a bulk of the race a result of using the "bumper"?

Sure I hear you about safety for a obvious problem. Most tracks now it is almost impossible for any debris to make it off the track into the stands and even that is only the small(er) items that aren't teatherd to the chassis.

if u watch inside nextel cup on mondays speed channel, michael waltrip even said that nascar thru some odd cautions at atlanta(i'm moving there, yey for me, best track on the circut imo).

idk, i thought the atlanta race was a snooze fest this time.

How about the imaginary debris on the caution where Juan Montoya just happened to be the lucky dog... that was beautiful. i have nothing against montoya, but nascar wants him to do well,the timing of that caution was just too perfect. shame on you nascar.

i didnt get to watch the race, i had to work, o boy. u know montoya is a very good driver, he's sitting like 11th in points, and he hasnt done that because of nascars help. trust me other drivers would say something

i didnt get to watch the race, i had to work, o boy. u know montoya is a very good driver, he's sitting like 11th in points, and he hasnt done that because of nascars help. trust me other drivers would say something

hes not 11th, hes in 16th. and im not saying hes not a good driver, i know he is. but nascar definatly helped him, everyone needs help sometimes. just like last year when jimmie johnson got a debris caution every time something happened to him. they want certain guys to do well because they are more popular. in montoyas case they want him to do well because he'll bring in the latino community. ive gone past the point of thinking their might be a conspiracy, im positive now.

Missed the whole thing, and not all that upset about it either :dunno:

well also think about it. nascar doesnt want the latino population because of montoya, busch was racing in mexico city 2yrs prior to juan coming into the sport. i believe the mexico city track was packed, if not sold out for the first 2 races. so there is already a strong following. just like they r thinking of going back accross the northern bordere to canada. mainly cause the closest race is new hampshire. i still think they need a track out in washington

i still think they need a track out in washington

as long as its not another 1.5 mile cookie cutter :disappoin

but yeah the politicians out there are retards, so i dont see it happening.

true especially after the govenator and the rest of thte western states just signed some bill to lower factory emmisions by 25% by 2020. but maybe montana, look at the drive they would have to make to the nearest track, it would b cheaper to fly

yes cautions are done on purpose. this is done so that the cars come in to gas up, and such less risk of a wreck, becuase the less caustions the less the driver wants to come in. Cautions also keep the race "exciting" because when when its yellow, then that green flag goes back out the croud goes crazy and keeps them up and shouting for their favorite driver.

so your saying you dont mind that the results are tainted. and that nascar completely screws some teams over just for the sake of ratings?

yes cautions are done on purpose. this is done so that the cars come in to gas up, and such less risk of a wreck, becuase the less caustions the less the driver wants to come in. Cautions also keep the race "exciting" because when when its yellow, then that green flag goes back out the croud goes crazy and keeps them up and shouting for their favorite driver.

Some valid rationalizations there, especially at this time, early season. However, come the silly season, late July till the end when teams start making whacked changes with drivers and crew and everybody get's all confused, inexperienced and jumbled up, is when the saying "cautions breed cautions" comes to life.

so your saying you dont mind that the results are tainted. and that nascar completely screws some teams over just for the sake of ratings?

in what i said i never said i was okay with it, i was stating on why in my mind they did the yellow flags. no i dont think its right that they screw over teams, and such. but that is how it is. and unless we can get a bunch of nascar fans to change it, that is how its going to be. which is sad.

Looks like tony agrees with the staging

UPDATE: been told that NASCAR didn't allow the #20 Home Depot team to unload the car until Tony Stewar went to the NASCAR Hauler to discuss his comments about NASCAR and the debris cautions/staging races.(4-27-2007)
UPDATE 2: Tony Stewart met with NASCAR officials early this morning after a week in which he first skipped out on postrace media obligations following his second-place finish at Phoenix and then bashed the sanctioning body on his weekly radio show. According to the NASCAR entry blank, "the second and third place drivers, and the highest finishing Rookie of the Year candidate, must also report to the media center upon conclusion of the race." Since he left the track without fulfilling his obligation to speak to TV reporters or appear in the media center, Stewart has lashed out at NASCAR on his weekly radio show. Stewart met with officials at 7:00am/et, and NASCAR did not let his Joe Gibbs Racing team unload its car from the transporter until that meeting ended at 7:35am. Other competitors had unloaded their cars and begin work when the garage opened at 7am. Stewart is scheduled to meet with the media Friday.(SceneDaily.com)(4-27-2007)
UPDATE 3: ........The remarks infuriated image-conscious NASCAR officials, who called Stewart in to address the issue at 6 a.m. Friday, the hour the garage opened. "It's a little tender for me to sit down right now," Stewart quipped. But it wasn't a joke to NASCAR, which was expected to announce penalties later Friday. Series officials watched from the back of the media center as a humbled Stewart made his comments, which contrasted starkly with his remarks Tuesday. "To be honest, the group that I spoke with this morning is a group of peers that I trust. If they tell me the stuff is out there, I believe them," he said. "I should have went to them instead of just saying it out in public. That's frustration that's been building up with all these debris cautions.

stewarts comments on his radio show were dead on. they probably threatened him BIG time to fix his remarks.

what i'm wondering is how ppl are look at this with nascar getting onto stewart for somthign he said on his radio show b/c lets think about one of the things the country was based on.

well if there wasnt reason to worry, then nascar wouldnt get pissed about the comments. the problem is that nascar is doing this so they have to be defensive. and if they actually arent doing this (which im 100% convinced they are) then there certainly is that perception. for instance, if someone said the nfl was fixing games everyone would just laugh, because theres no evidence of that whatsoever.

i found a very interesting quote from tony, from his comments this morning.

"They honestly told me that sometimes they would love to find a way to have a caution, but they assured me they don't do that." - talking about nascar officials.

so this proves they have these motivations. this comment leads me to believe that when they want a caution, they can just find a plastic wrapper on the track and say they thought it was metal.