3000GT vs 300ZX what do think is the best keep in mind best for street racing

it depends. you didn't say which one. the 3000GT SL's are garbage. front wheel drive with 220hp on a body thats atleast 3300lbs. the n/a Z is rear wheel drive and has 220hp as well. but since its a RWD and weight less. the Z takes the cake in the n/a. now for the twin turbos. i would have to say the VR4 would whoop a Z32 TT.

hahaha double posted

wait the 3000GT SL is Front wheel drive ????????????? ahhhhhhhhh:finger:

VR4s are sick

I have to agree VR4's are the shiz, but I still love the 300zx. If you got money to put into it either would make a fast car!

If it is the 300GT SL, then it is garbage and you don't want it. If it is the 300ZX 2+2 then it is garbage and you don't want it. The TT 300ZX IMO would be a better buy, the aftermarket for it is much bigger then the 3000GT.

300ZX is by far a much better car IMO. They may not run 13.6 in the 1/4 stock, but in the long run, there's alot more that can be done to them, and with my experience they're alot more dependable. For a total of about $8000 i got a car, repaired it from dealership condition, and modded it enough to where i can easily take a VR4...not embarrass one, but i can beat'em bad enough to where it's more than obvious. How much do VR4's cost again?? Beleive it or not, modded TT Z32's give me more of a run for my money than ANY 3000GT i've ever raced.

IMO VR4's don't last long, and are unreliable. It's easy to blow the engines, and the trannies like to fall apart........same as the Dodge Stealth (HA)....personally i think the 3000GT's and the Stealth's are both POS's. But hey, like i said IMO.

Personally if you're looking for a street racing car, I'd recommend a 300ZX (and no, not just because I own one). I've two friends, one has owned a VR4 (temporarily....his wife wrecked it), and a another one that owned an R/T Stealth. They were both constantly bithin' back and forth over who's car was better(they're both crap as far as i'm concerned). They were both constantly having mechanical problems, and on a few occasions, when i'd give in and partake in there little weekend runs, i'd beat both of them. (Granted, they were stock, and my car's not, but i just thought i'd throw that part in) N-E-Wayz, there's my 2 cents worth.

How much does a 300ZX weigh? I have heard about problems with the AWS and AWD when people mod them because they just can't handle the work load, I have a friend with a TT Stealth and he doesn't have any problems, besides his own recklessness.

I am sure Yogs will have something to say. :D

about 3400 lbs. the VR4 does way about 200-300 lbs. more. The thing that sells people is the after market availability. The Z has so much more available, and those things are less expensive. They are both great cars, but guess where I will lean. Well kinda falling over. :rolleyes:

I would take a 300zx, but I think that's mainly because the 300zx looks way better than a 3000gt. Both cars have tremendous potential for huge HP.

There is a reat potetial for power with the 3000GT's, but parts are to expensive and few and far between.

Z32!!!!!!!!! i've said it before and i'll say it again. anyways, the VR4 is overly styled, when the Z32 is just a timeless design.

With stock internals, body, and drivetrain, I'd go with the 3000GT... you can get 600hp out of either, but the 3000GT will be easier to drive, with it's extra traction. If giant tires are an option, then that becomes less of a major advantage.

I see fewer 3000GTs, and they look better IMO, especially since I have yet to see a vulgar "shogun" style body kit on one. I'd take a VR4 just to be a little different.

Now the 3800lb curb weight of the 3000GT is quite a drawback, but the 300ZX TT is no lightweight, at 3400 lbs.

Come on Cbass you know you lika da' Z....Uh,,,,You lika da' Z!

Oh, I lika da Z... Oh, ah dat's ah good, oh I lika da dat. ;)

there's a kit like that for the 3k gt, and trust me, it looks as bad as you think it would...

i vote 300zx, only b/c the 3000 has a tendency to break alot of parts when a lot of power is added...

there's a local stealth r/t here with about 900hp, and that's the truth, and he goes through clutches weekly.

the shop that works on my car has a set of 5-6 3000's that rotate in regularly... there's no real upgrade for the trans, and it breaks with a ton of power, the axles are the same...

and besides that...

the ecu's are fairly unreliable, and it's not uncommon to have to completely replace one...

but a 300zx isn't exactly super user friendly, with the engine bay being as tight as it is...

i would vote for the 300zx, becuase of the fact that it is lighter, although not by much, and has more after market for it. i do admit that the vr4 is very cool, but it is too big. the 300zx has always and will always look very exotic.

Like flywsi said... 3kGT has a lot of problems with it's 4WD drivetrain , especially when modified... Here in Europe the transmission for that thing also costs a lot... I'd go for the Z32 , but myslef i would really rather consider FD RX7 (sucks on reliablity , and small too , but faster than both) or a MKIV twin turbo supra , it is more expensive but it is better in all categories (pass the styling , it's a personal thing)...

Price-wise also you can pick a TTZ or an RX-7 up for about the same price range. The VR-4's and Supra's are rare and expesive.

Originally posted by DemonZX
Price-wise also you can pick a TTZ or an RX-7 up for about the same price range. The VR-4's and Supra's are rare and expesive.

I actually see a lot more TT supras than a TT Z, or Rx7, and the vr-4's are the rarest around these parts..

I see a lot of posts talking about the problems with the VR4. As the owner of two and a member of the 3si family - I can safely say some of that is bullshit.

The weakest part of the car is the second syncro from the getrag (spelled that way on purpose) transmission. Sure every car can have problems, but that has to do with care (as with most cars) then design flaws (other then the second syncro) My 94 has 110K miles and the tranny shifts as smooth as the day I bought it.

Once people start talking about mods - its a crap shoot since their is always something more that can be done. Out of the box, the VR4 is the way to go :)

as stated... i've talked to the owners of these cars.

and the shop that builds them. there's been multiple undiagnosable ecu problems that lead to replacing the ecu. completely. that's what's been recommended by the dealership as well, not just the shop owner.

the other car that fries clutches... big surprise. there's no way to really upgrade the drivetrain. if he got stronger clutch he'd break more parts.

the engine bay is equally tight on both cars... which sucks, but there seems, from what i've seen, to be more aftermarket support for the z.

I was waiting for Yogs response because he does own 2. Thanks man. The quality of the cars also has to do with the way they are driven, and treated. I'm sure yogs takes care of his babies. Other people may get them and just try to rip up the pavement!:rolleyes:

true... however... these are some pretty intense owners up here with the cash to burn, especially b/c it's not cheap to replace an ecu...

and the cars are treated really well...

the car that had the ecu problem was mostly stock, which is interesting...

the other cars are modded, and haven't had that problem, but it's not uncommon, as noted by the owners...

they're all part of the midwest dsm owners club or something... fanatics with tons of cash...

That is pretty damn odd. Well maybe that is just the weak link in the VR4. Will aftermarket ecu's help it in it's quality issue?

i don't know that there was one... at least at that point... about 8 months ago, there wasn't... or i'm sure they would have gone that route...

it's just interesting...

there's alot of electronically controlled devices in the 3kgt, and they've been known to malfunction...

this guy's ecu was replaced b/c there was a relay that was doing something to the point where he couldn't get the car to run. they took it to the dealership, they got it to run, and then went to get gas. and couldn't get it started. and then it lead to the ecu... weird..

my point was that they have so much electronic stuff that can get funked up, as well as the lack of a strong aftermarket for the drivetrain parts that will inevitably be broken...

That is some wierd crizap!:bloated:

I definatly would have to say the 300zx... I love both cars like you can't imagine. But the 300zx is my all time favorite. I remember that when i was car searching about 3 months ago. All i would seach for were 300zx's, but they are rare, and expensive. I almost baught about three different ones and was willing to go way out of state to get it, and all were sold before i could make the catch. After a while i realized that paying so much for a car with more milage than i would feel comfortable with was scary. It is still my all time favorite car though. I love my Grand Prix though so in the long run im happy either way.

Oh, the Z32 wins this one hands down in my book. Simply put, it's the more versatile of the pair. A Z32 can be built as a stout drag car, lovely drifter, Wangan terror, cone-dodging autocrosser, or a corner carving club racer. There's plenty of potential in the VQ35DETT and the 5spd it's connected to is fairly close to bullet-proof (save for the clutch).

Besides, the Z32 in GTS form was the first "production" class car to win the 24hrs of Daytona outright. I think that speaks for itself.

The VQ35DETT hasn't been released, and it looks like the new GTR engine is going to be the VQ33DETT ;)

You're thinking of the VG30DETT

Whoops! :D

Guess I'm just dreaming of an Infiniti G35 Sport Coupe and a pair of intercooled Garretts.

But still, I've always loved Nissan sixes, straight or vee. I wonder what would happen if they made a twelve?

i often wonder, since im not much of a turbo/supercharged guy, what are some specifications on the cheapest trim level supra. (02-03)

220hp on the NA Supra. Stopped producing them in '98 though if I'm not mistaken. Definitely no 2002 or 2003s

Originally posted by Self
220hp on the NA Supra. Stopped producing them in '98 though if I'm not mistaken. Definitely no 2002 or 2003s

Are you serious? How could i let something like that go without knowing. Jeez, and i loved that car. What is with all the great cars leaving the production lines anymore? It's starting to tick me off.:(

Well, the Supra wasn't selling. It was the same reason the FD and the 300ZX left the market in the mid-90's. They priced themselves out of the market they created; mid-priced high performance two seat coupes.

It's too bad. At least the Z's back and there's a new rotary (with a coupe in the wings, they say). Who knows? There might be a new Supra coming along.

Originally posted by Octagon
Well, the Supra wasn't selling. It was the same reason the FD and the 300ZX left the market in the mid-90's. They priced themselves out of the market they created; mid-priced high performance two seat coupes.

It's too bad. At least the Z's back and there's a new rotary (with a coupe in the wings, they say). Who knows? There might be a new Supra coming along.

That's it exactly. They tried to get too much money out of the niche they were in. Same reason all good things end...They got greedy:D

Shouldn't this post be in the car comparisons room if it hasn't been?

I'd go with the Z. All the reasons why I would have been said.

Actually, there is a new Supra on the way. It's supposed to use the Lexus DOHC V8, and there is no mention of a turbo version :(

3000GT V6 TT 6 speed right? also has crap handling
300ZX V6 TT 5 Speed not as fast in a line but has better handling

what sort of street racing?

If any of you guys know a good link to concept supras, can you post it, i know one site that is decient but has very little stat wise... but then again i guess you could expect that since it hasn't been even close to production yet. but still, id like to see another link.

Mazda is thinking of bringing back the RX-7! If the RX-8 sales are good they are going to bring it back! The new rotary will put out 280hp natuarly aspirated! CLick! definately not

Don't get me wrong, i am crazy about the RX-7. But i just don't see what is so special about the rotery engines. They are so much maintinence (at least previous models) and have horrible emissions output, bad gas milage. All that, when you could get more power from cylinders. Id put my money on any 300zx TT over a RX-7 turbo. I think it's an awsome idea that Mazda is doing something unique, but what's the point if it doesn't have many positives over regular engines? I hope they bring back the RX-7, but as long as they are going to be roteries, i prob wouldn't get one.

Well, the rotary is special because it produce far more power from far less displacement with fewer parts to break.

A rotary has no valvetrain, no cams, no connecting rods or timing connections. The only part on a rotary that really breaks from use is the apex seal. They're actually a more mechanically efficient engine.

Then there's the size. If you measure it out, a Mazda 13B only displaces 1.3L. Now, think about that. a 1.3L engine that puts out 202 naturally aspirated horsepower. Is it any wonder that these engines are finding their way into more and more small sports cars? Mazda 13B's are finding their way into Spitfires, 510's, Midgets, Sprites, Caterhams, and most recently I saw a turbo 13B in a Triumph TR7.

True, they're odd little beasts and when those apex seals go it's a BIG problem. But the rotary is a marvel of German engineering, tempered with Japanese know-how and dedication. Mazda has made their reputation on the back of this little gem. Idiosyncracies or not, it's a great little engine.

oh, i sort of see why now. But isn't it true that they are hard to pass emissions standards with? I heard though that the turboed wankels didn't put out that much power, wasn't it in the 200 range even though the engine gets that range naturally aspirated. I would think it would be at least to the 300 range.

That's another simple one. RX-7's with turbos made 276hp. Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbos made 276hp. Nissan Skyline GT-R's made 276hp. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions made 276hp. Toyota Supra TT's made 276hp. Subaru Impreza STi's made 276hp.

Notice a pattern?

Back in the 60's (I think) the Japanese auto manufacturers, wanting to avoid the American Horsepower wars, all signed an agreement called the Gentlemen's Agreement that limited all cars to 276hp. Thus, they would concentrate on safety, economy, quality, and reliability as opposed to getting caught up in some silly contest of numbers.

The agreement wasn't formally broken until Nissan introduced the current generation of Infiniti Q45's (forget the JDM name) whose V8's make in excess of 340hp.

In reality, a turbo RX-7 is making that 276 with a fairly light amount of boost and restrictive intake and exhaust. With light LIGHT mods (chip, cat-back exhaust, intake) you can net an easy reliable 340hp. In fact, 400hp turbo 13B's are a fairly common and easy piece. You just have to be careful with the boost. Too much boost and insufficient cooling (the real problem with a rotary) means that you can blow apex seals in a heartbeat. Those are only tiny pieces of carbon acting as gaskets. Just as astronomical compression will blow a piston engine's head gasket, too much boost at high temperatures will blow head gaskets in a rotary.

That better?

Originally posted by Octagon
That's another simple one. RX-7's with turbos made 276hp. Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbos made 276hp. Nissan Skyline GT-R's made 276hp. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions made 276hp. Toyota Supra TT's made 276hp. Subaru Impreza STi's made 276hp.

Notice a pattern?

Back in the 60's (I think) the Japanese auto manufacturers, wanting to avoid the American Horsepower wars, all signed an agreement called the Gentlemen's Agreement that limited all cars to 276hp. Thus, they would concentrate on safety, economy, quality, and reliability as opposed to getting caught up in some silly contest of numbers.

The agreement wasn't formally broken until Nissan introduced the current generation of Infiniti Q45's (forget the JDM name) whose V8's make in excess of 340hp.

In reality, a turbo RX-7 is making that 276 with a fairly light amount of boost and restrictive intake and exhaust. With light LIGHT mods (chip, cat-back exhaust, intake) you can net an easy reliable 340hp. In fact, 400hp turbo 13B's are a fairly common and easy piece. You just have to be careful with the boost. Too much boost and insufficient cooling (the real problem with a rotary) means that you can blow apex seals in a heartbeat. Those are only tiny pieces of carbon acting as gaskets. Just as astronomical compression will blow a piston engine's head gasket, too much boost at high temperatures will blow head gaskets in a rotary.

That better?

That's actually really interesting, i did notice alot of the imports were always wandering in the same range, and the same went for the nonturbos too... Supra (222) 300zx (222) 3000GT (222). The only thing i thought was... didn't the 3000GT (TT) Make around 325 and 300ZX (TT) 300. i believe that was always their rating (as of 1990, which was the first year the ZX was made) but maybe not. Does anyone have a twin turb. of either?

Actually, in that case you're only taling about the JDM versions. The gentleman's agreement was set at 280 hp. Nissan was also the first to break it..this is true. However:
US Spec Supras are rated at 320 bhp
US Spec 300ZXTT are rated 300 bhp
US Spec Rx-7's are rated at 320 bhp
US Spec 3000GT VR-4's.. 320 bhp
In reality the Japanese versions do have some differences. The aftermarket...market (too many markets) supports all of these cars but if you are looking best overall performance for the cheapest modified price you are not looking at either the 300 zx or the 3000GT. for price I would go with either the TT Supra which can put out huge hp numbers for about 3 grand, or the RX-7's which have the same abilities. However, initial investment into an Rx-7 or TT Supra is going to be much higher than a 3000ZX. VR-4's are still expensive. So basically, it will all boil down to personal opinion. And we can argue about that ad ifinitum.

I had a Twin Turbo Supra...until I ripped out the twins and put a much larger single in it

Originally posted by Supra650RSP
I had a Twin Turbo Supra...until I ripped out the twins and put a much larger single in it

Was it faster now or before?

The RX-7 had 255 hp. It is sop fast because it is so light. Everything else is correct!

Originally posted by DemonZX
The RX-7 had 255 hp. It is sop fast because it is so light. Everything else is correct!

yea, i think 255 sounds more correct

Originally posted by pontiactrac


Was it faster now or before?

Swapping a larger single turbo for the small twin turbo's on a Supra is a fairly common mod. Yields much more horsepower than the smaller twins can produce.

Plus a better low end response! i.e. less time to spool....well depending on the size of the turbo of course.

jeez, and i thought nothing beat the twins. not even a supercharger

Well, on a straight engine a single works as well as a twin setup. In fact, many twin-turbo setups on inline engines used a smaller turbo to more quickly spool a larger one.

However, the drawback to a large single is lag. Just ask Porsche 935 and Zakspeed Capri/Mustang drivers from the old Silohouette era. Those monster turbos turn your throttle into a lightswitch.

It goes something like this.

nothingnothingnothingnothingnothingnothingnothing POWER ON SNAP OVERSTEER

Hence, twins usually work better for cornering and acceleration. Also, two turbos (one per bank) is more efficient for a Vee or Flat engine.

yea, i heard turbo lag is a real bitch. Id still like to have either, but i guess my engine is just running the old fashion way lol.

i don't have a lot of experience driving turbo cars. I have drivin a bunch, but maybe 1 or 2 times a piece. From what i have encoutered it all depends on the car+setup. If it is a high reving turbo car i.e. Supra/Skyline it is better for a single setup. We'll exclude 4 cylinders, because well they can only have one turbo! Anyway...Now like a V engine we'll say a 300zx/Audi will benfit off of the twin setup. Single turbo V engine cars are not the most efficient or reliable. Now, it also depends on the type of racing you will be doing. If it is auto-X or track a sequential turbo setup may be better. You have the quick respose of a single, and the flat out power of a twin on the straights. So It really all depends on what you are using it for, and what you like!:cool:

why am i always too late when things gets interesting? anyways, pontiactrac your missing the whole point of hte RX-7. the RX-7 has a rotary engine because its small compact and can be placed closer to the center line of the chassis. this give the car a perfect 50/50 weight distribution. that is why alot of people love the RX-7. it has very neutral handling. the RX-7's also only weights 2800lb because of the motor. when every other competitor weights from 3500lb (300ZX TT) to 3800lb (3000GT VR4) the Supra's weigh will fall somewhere in between the Z and the VR4. the supras are also big cars, they are heavy as cows. now for the hp rating. yes nissan was the first to break it. nissan was to first to hit 280hp with the Z32 (300ZX TT) back in 1989. they were also the first to truely challenge european super cars at the time. the Z wwas almost as fast as a low level ferrari. then one year later, they reintroduced the R32 skyline GT-R after like 13 years of absence which by the way makes over 300hp at the wheels. and they only continue to make more power as each gen goes. so all hail nissan!! supras are nice cars, but they dont' really have anything significant about them that would put them in the hall of fame besides being the only other japanese super car that make over 1000hp. however, the most power i ever saw being made in a japanese import was the R33 skyline GT-R from www.extervimini.com he has a purple one that puts out 887Kw at all 4 wheels!!! 887Kw is around 1100hp at the wheels. and this is on a 4 wheel driver tranny. i you times that by 1.25% to compensate for the lose goin down tot he wheels. you get over 1600hp at the crank!!!!

There it is! CLick! NISSAN!

Turbo lag is very dependent on how you have built your engine. An engine with higher static compression and lower boost will make excellent low end torque, with very little turbo lag. A single ball bearing turbocharger on an inline engine will see no noticable lag with 9:1 compression. With advanced engine electronics, you can then run as much boost as possible, and prevent detonation.

If you have a Vee engine, having two turbochargers can be preferrable, as it improves exhaust flow, and cuts turbo lag considerably. Two larger turbochargers will make just as much boost and flow just as well as one huge turbocharger, it's just more expensive and complicated to do it that way.

The vicious turbo lag of cars like the 935 were a result of very low static compression, 7:1 or even 6.5:1 in some cases, a big turbocharger, and mechanical fuel injection, compared to the modern EFI we have, with integral distributorless ignition.

That's why he's here folks!

Yep, the large mouthed freshwater fish keeps us honest. Early turbo cars dead run low compression to avoid blown bottom ends, blown head gaskets, and detonation.

It did raise a generation of great drivers. It took a lot to deal with lag, and to keep it in check with complex left foot braking techniques.

is the 350z the apsolute perminent replacement of the 300zx. I think that car is a great performer, but im much more into the zx's looks. Do you think it's a done deal at this point. Cause i heard Demon say it the sales on the RX8 are good theyd bring back the RX7. Will the same apply to the 300zx?

IMO, A 3000GT VR-4 of course :p

Yes, the 300ZX is gone for good. You must recall that the Z car is an ever evolving beast. It started as the 240Z, which became the 260Z, then the 280Z, followed by the 280ZX, and then the only two generation Z car; the 300ZX. Even as beloved as the firt generation was, Nissan wanted to improve upon it. And they did. Each generation brings new blood to the line. Bringing everything from 5speed transmissions (280Z) to Rear Wheel Steering (Z32 model 300ZX).

We won't see another 300ZX. That nameplate is now consigned to the Nissan history books. But there will be hot 350Z's. Take heart, the 350Z is just the beginning of another chapter for Japan's most internationally revered line of cars.

As for the RX-7, it's a model unto itself. The name is derived from the fact that it was the seventh different rotary engined car Mazda ever produced. While the RX-8 isn't necessarily the eighth, it's a symbolic gesture to say that Mazda is putting its faith back into the engine that made it great. A new RX-7 will come along as a revival of a model line, not a previous generation.

IMO, they should have used the RB inline 6 to replace the L series :(

Part of the Z thing was having an inline 6 cylinder engine. Of course, now the Z thing is just a little different :D Not like that's a bad thing.

i thought the Skyline was the most revered of nissan cars.

I mean seriously the skylines are alot better than any Z will ever be

well the GT-R will always be monsterious of a car considering that its nissan's flag ship sport car. however the Z is more of a main stream bargan performer. plus to answer pontiactracs question. the 300ZX will no longer exist. that car is a Z32. the 300ZX before that is a Z31 now the newest Z which is the 350Z is the Z33. as you can see, like what octagon said, its a ever evolving car. the reason why they call it the numbers in the front was to determine displacement. the first Z ever was a 2.4 liter. thats why its called a 240Z, the one just before the 350Z was a 3.0 so its a 300ZX, and now we have a 3.5 liter which is a 350Z

NSX-R-SSJ20K, I won't disagree with you that the Skyline is a monster of a car with uncanny performance. I still chuckle each time I hear an R32 referred to as "Godzilla" by the press.

But the Z is a classic.

That's the thing. Skylines were a dead issue to most of the world until 1988, and are just now getting stateside recognition and Le Mans campaigns. Plus, while recognizable to anyone who knows what to look for, a Skyline is practically another typical Japanese coupe to the passerby. It's much like, while a Chevelle SS454 is holy ground to muscle car fans, the rest of the populace sees a dressed up Malibu coupe.

Now, the Z has international motorsports success, sales numbers, and maintains a place in history as the car that proved the mettle of the Japanese auto industry. An early Z-car's shape is instantly recognizable, and their value appreciates as the years go on. The only Skylines to do so are the Japan exclusive Hakosuka and limited production second generation GT-R's. It's a matter of prestige and recognition. The Z has this, it has heritage, and the 240Z had soul. You can park a 240Z next to a Porsche 911S or Austin Healey 3000MkII and not lose face or respect.

I don't see that happening with an R34.

The Z is timless in, style, performance, and over all with a following of great people...Like myself! CLick! I think there is going to be an all Z meet in Orlando in April. I am most likley gonna go! So, I will get some pics! I am going to try to get a wave file of my exhaust up this weekend so you can here it's monterous roar! Oh, yeah That cruise I was talking about with like 50 soroity girls departs Monday...CLick! I will talk at you guys next sat. and get you some pics. up here! If they have internet access on the boat, I will hit ya'll up. Drunk of course! Ok late!

-Tony

Originally posted by DemonZX
The Z is timless in, style, performance, and over all with a following of great people...Like myself! CLick! I think there is going to be an all Z meet in Orlando in April. I am most likley gonna go! So, I will get some pics! I am going to try to get a wave file of my exhaust up this weekend so you can here it's monterous roar! Oh, yeah That cruise I was talking about with like 50 soroity girls departs Monday...CLick! I will talk at you guys next sat. and get you some pics. up here! If they have internet access on the boat, I will hit ya'll up. Drunk of course! Ok late!

-Tony

heh heh, call drunk, just make sure you dont drive that way... have a good time demon, get some ass :D

Hey there is going to be enough there...I'll get some ass for all of you!
CLick!:D

Originally posted by DemonZX
Hey there is going to be enough there...I'll get some ass for all of you!
CLick!:D

damn lucky bastard, wish i was partying...
:xelicon: :bonghitte :ylsuper

300ZX (only because I own one and they are easier to modify,plus there are more parts avaliable for them)

i think they both look awsome as sh*t... but as cool as the 3000gt looks, i think the 300ZX takes the cake. You will always see a look that is closely similar to the 3000gt, like eclipses, rx7's, supras and some celicas, but never will you ever find a similar looking car like the 300ZX in the same price range. If you've ever seen the Lambo diablo with fixed headlights, i see a bit of a similarity even though many obvious differences. And the most unique thing that i love about the ZX is those "fairlady" tail lights. They kick ass. I would also much quicker rely on a product made by Nissan than Mitsubishi, as many people have heard some of the problems of the 3kgt's.

Wow I dont evan remember making this forum:D

Originally posted by RACER D12
Wow I dont evan remember making this forum:D

:D if i remember correctly, it was comparing the 300zx to the 3000gt, iv'e read a article that said they are both very matched, but i believe the turbo z takes the cake. And if they were the non turbo, i would definatly get the z over the bishi because i trust nissan's reliability, and 220hp could kill plenty of civics.

That's 222 hp....Get it right! j/k:D

which of the two are harder to insure, i think the 3000gt is. I know a kid at school with a black sl i think, 222hp range, he was on cops because he was going 80mph over the speed limit. crazy shit

I use to love 3000zx, still do, it that was the only car I ever saw myself buying...but when the time came I also found out that they are a bit overpriced and look a bit outdated next to the 3000gt. Even though mine if FWD,big let down, I still think its the best value I could have gotten for the money....plus Nissan must not think FWD is such a bad idea (with a right diff. that is) - look at the new 350z. But thats off the point, as far as quality goes you guys have nothing to complain about, try driving a russian car - I have trouble even calling them cars. With the right care and attention, reliability becomes a matter of doing right things at the right time to your car.

Sorry, I ment RWD, dont want any hatemail from 350 z lovers, but the Infinity G35 Sport Coupe is better to me design wise.

Just for street-racing??

I'll take the 3000GT-VR4.....nothing gets the launch quite like AWD.:alien2: :alien: :grey:

Originally posted by Soviet
Sorry, I ment RWD, dont want any hatemail from 350 z lovers, but the Infinity G35 Sport Coupe is better to me design wise.
good you corrected yourself, i was just gonna start screaming at you

:rocket: j/k

i like the z better than the infiniti, nicer front grill and the lines are a little more cut

Venger10 few AWD are fast of the line as you said, you have to roll the car of the line and then let it go. If not you can damage the clutch. Thats why u never see an AWD dragster, the few dragsters that do have AWD (mostly Slylines) have a torque converter that turns them into RWD when you want it and AWD when you need it, unlike VR4. AWD are more stable around corners and when wet hence faster around a track.

3000GT owners - does anyone know where to find the parking light wire (orange w/ silver dots) thats is suppose to be "near fuse box", and somewhere in the back also. All help welcome Thanks.

Originally posted by Soviet
Venger10 few AWD are fast of the line as you said, you have to roll the car of the line and then let it go. If not you can damage the clutch. Thats why u never see an AWD dragster, the few dragsters that do have AWD (mostly Slylines) have a torque converter that turns them into RWD when you want it and AWD when you need it, unlike VR4. AWD are more stable around corners and when wet hence faster around a track.

3000GT owners - does anyone know where to find the parking light wire (orange w/ silver dots) thats is suppose to be "near fuse box", and somewhere in the back also. All help welcome Thanks.

I bow to your superior intelligence....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What kind of 3000GT do you have??:bloated:
Do you have a clue what you are talking about ?? I've built several 11 second AWD's.... with built trannys and HD clutches you don't have the problems you mentioned at all. My 60 foot times were 1.70 or less...AWD gives you the advantage at the line.....:flipa:

Yeah Venger10, you should bow - to my knowledge not inteligence. You can bow down to that later. Learn how to use your own language man. Nice smilies by the way... Drag racing is primitive, racing in trafic or arround track...thats real, and you get to use your steering wheel and brakes...they are there for a reason you know. Anyway , if you want to argue look elsewhere - too busy mate, meanwhile check this Zonda out, and by the way on 1/4 mile it pulls AWD Murceilago's panties down.

Me being a Nissan fan, would choose the 300zx

Originally posted by Soviet
Yeah Venger10, you should bow - to my knowledge not inteligence. You can bow down to that later. Learn how to use your own language man. Nice smilies by the way... Drag racing is primitive, racing in trafic or arround track...thats real, and you get to use your steering wheel and brakes...they are there for a reason you know. Anyway , if you want to argue look elsewhere - too busy mate, meanwhile check this Zonda out, and by the way on 1/4 mile it pulls AWD Murceilago's panties down.

This topic is in "Street-Racing" is it not?? Thats not really much of a variation on the 1/4 mile , just with a few obstacles thrown in:rolleyes:

And I'm not really interested in driving Italian trash...:finger:

MITSU GTO VR4 ALL THE WAY!!!

300ZX ARE THE SLOWEST TWIN TURBOS YOU CAN GET

Originally posted by chadi
MITSU GTO VR4 ALL THE WAY!!!

300ZX ARE THE SLOWEST TWIN TURBOS YOU CAN GET

While I agree that the VR4 is the way to go :D The words "slow" and "300ZX twin turbos" do not belong in the same sentence.

Originally posted by Venger10
And I'm not really interested in driving Italian trash...:finger:

Italian what? Being 100% Italian I must say eat a D!ck! Who makes the nicest clothes, cars, women, and food? Can we say the Italians?! Don't get me friggin' started! Italian trash?! Compared to what? your cut off, obiously you don't know crap, so I will no longer waist time or mental anguish on you.

Moving on!

Originally posted by chadi
MITSU GTO VR4 ALL THE WAY!!!

300ZX ARE THE SLOWEST TWIN TURBOS YOU CAN GET

Have you ever driven a TTZ? I did't think you had cheesecake! They are fast as shit, scary fast. And compared to your ass towing civic, I wouldn't put them into the same sentence comparing them. Go to your room and do your homework!

Yeah the cars and clothes are pretty sweet, but don't a lot of italian chicks have facial hair like men? One of my neighbors is italian and she definately has a mustache thing going on lol.

:D How'd I know somwone was gona say that?!:finger: j/k:p

Originally posted by DeViL
Yeah the cars and clothes are pretty sweet, but don't a lot of italian chicks have facial hair like men? One of my neighbors is italian and she definately has a mustache thing going on lol.



ooo mad stache!

YES I said "Italian Trash" and I'll say it again........ITALIAN TRASH.

And I'm part Italian so kiss my a$$........:finger:

The cars maybe LOOK sweet , but just wait til you actually own one and it spends more time in the repair shop than in your own garage :flipa:

My two cents as a domestic guy?

The 3000GT VR4 is a pile of junk. Who wants a friggen land yacht? Just go buy an old 78 Lincoln Towncar with the 460 and deck and port the heads, get a $150 intake for it. It'll be just as fast, weigh about the same, and you'll be able to seat about 10, lol. The trap speed on the VR4 is barely any better than a new Mustang GT, and it's only advantage is off the line, if you choose to take the life of your tranny/clutch into your own hands. Mitsubishi isn't exactly world class with the quality they put into their cars, and the 3000GT is no exception to that rule.

I'm sure an 11sec 3000GT really jumps off the line quick, but stock, unless you want to blitz the tank from redline, it's just gonna bog.

The 300ZX TT is a far superior car IMHO. I'd actually own one, if I was in the market for a Japanese supercar.

Who has the best women? I'd have to wager the Russians. I haven't heard of any "Mail Order Italian Brides." Getting a mail order bride is about the only thing more scary than buying cars off ebay that don't come with photos LOL.

Best cars? Everybody wants a Ferrari, don't they?

Best clothes? USA

Best food? USA

Originally posted by DemonZX


Have you ever driven a TTZ? I did't think you had cheesecake! They are fast as shit, scary fast. And compared to your ass towing civic, I wouldn't put them into the same sentence comparing them. Go to your room and do your homework!

You beat me to it :D

as much as i love nissans i'm going to have to go with the VR-4 just by past driving experience. AWD twin turbo, you can't beat that. and when it comes to looks the 3000gt is far above the 300ZX. the only area i see that the 300ZX has the advantage is it's weight.

Originally posted by Nookie_Monster
the only area i see that the 300ZX has the advantage is it's weight.

If you were to race from a roll, the ZX would also have the advantage due to driving only 2 wheels.

Little late on this one, but I say the ZXTT. Love the looks of the 3kGT but theZXTT is quicker, lighter, and like others have said, from a roll it has the advantage.

Originally posted by Unit 5302
My two cents as a domestic guy?



Best cars? Everybody wants a Ferrari, don't they?

Best clothes? USA

Best food? USA

Best cars? Lamborghini followed by all things japanese and all things TVR

Best Clothes? maybe USA

Best Food? Thai most definetly Thai food

3000gt's handle bad compared to Z's...... I've seen some z's racing and I've ridden in some VR-4's. Also my dad's shop calls em Mitsushiti.... they do have bad quality...... can't compare to a Nissan, I believe they are the best designers and best reliability..... I see more hondas breaking down then Nissans... but there are more Hondas.

3KGT interior is also cheaper then hell, extremely uncomfortable, small headroom, im 6' and my head hits the roof, all i see is some roof and a little bit of window below that LOL.... its terrible drivers car. were the Z has always been made to be the all around Driver's sports car and has always succesfully done that, why even 240Z's are even as popular as new one's. Even 510's..... how many other Japanese sports cars from that far ago have followings like that =)

I got a Video all about handling and it had NSX GTR's Ferrari's and some hot hatches

The VR4 was last on handling stakes

Richard Burns commented on "too much of this" 'turns wheel left and right tire screaching can be heard thru apex'

I heard mitsushiti b4

Originally posted by SR20DETpower
3000gt's handle bad compared to Z's...... I've seen some z's racing and I've ridden in some VR-4's. Also my dad's shop calls em Mitsushiti.... they do have bad quality...... can't compare to a Nissan, I believe they are the best designers and best reliability..... I see more hondas breaking down then Nissans... but there are more Hondas.

3KGT interior is also cheaper then hell, extremely uncomfortable, small headroom, im 6' and my head hits the roof, all i see is some roof and a little bit of window below that LOL.... its terrible drivers car. were the Z has always been made to be the all around Driver's sports car and has always succesfully done that, why even 240Z's are even as popular as new one's. Even 510's..... how many other Japanese sports cars from that far ago have followings like that =)

Let me point out that the interior of the 3KGT is not cheap. Its way superior to the 300. Let me know where your datas shop is so I can be sure to let my buddies know not to take their car there. I know people with the 300Z and it seems like their car has to be in the shop for something every other year. I've had my cars a combined 13 years and they've been in the shop three times total for repairs - including that damn deer.

I'm 6'1" and 240+ and I have plenty of head room and space in the car (including the Spyder with the top up). I don't think you've ever been in, or ever driven a VR4. :rolleyes:

my feeling's on Italy:


oh yeah.. i Like it.:D

Obviously she's not italian, no mustache.

Originally posted by DeViL
Obviously she's not italian, no mustache.

Not on her face , anyway.......;)

Dammit!...

I cant see the car.... woman move!!!






















.....onto my bed for further detailing....

Time to Wax.....:D

Hey, you guys are great to read some of your posts. I own a 97 VR4 and I kill 300zx tt daily. Sorry, but as far as looks, I did like them when they came out but when Mitsi released the 3kgt, I was hooked. And, Danny Sullivan tested three cars, the Mazda RX7, Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, and the Nissan Twin Turbo 300zx, guess who came in LAST PLACE?

Sorry Nissan, your just not good enough....imop


11.07 elev. sea level
497awhp
GT 368sx twin turbos
fmic
AEM ecu stand alone
twin Walbro 341's

NO NOS
NO ALC
NO PROP

1st: Nice car 97 VR4

B: Nice post Steel

and 3: Redneck you can detail the outside all you want, I'll lube the undercarriage! CLick!

If anyone is interested, I have been a member of the www.3si.org for several years now. I came across this forum surfing the web, always want to see more video or write up's on the VR4. Anyhow, Matt Monet, a tuner in New mexico, has some nice videos on his website, www.dynamicracing.com, and if you want, at the 3si.org I have listed my mods in my sig: 97VR4

Check it out if you haven't seen it already, but most of you probably have.

I will defend our cars to the end.

P.S. NO RICE ,,, please.

the 300zx N/A would beat a 3000GT but with the turbos the VR4 would kill a ZX TT. I still think 300ZX's are better though because they have much more potential. 3000gt's have little parts out there and the parts they do have are expensive. 300ZX's are becoming more and more popular and there are much more mods out there for the 300zx

why wont this thread just die

Well, I just registered, so this is all new to me. I own a 1991 3000 GT SL- front wheel drive, 222 hp, the basics, i've had no problem with it, and in my opinion, the speed is decent. I've raced it several times, win some, loose some. i think if you compare the 300 zx to the 3000 gt sl, the 300 zx is the victor. Allthough, between the 300 zx tt and the 3000 gt vr-4, I'd have to lean on the vr-4. I love 3000 zx's and i love 3000 gt's. I've raced a 300 zx.....and i got smoked up haha. I have big plans for my car, but nothing anytime soon. If anyone knows anything about a fwd to a awd conversion, please let me know, thats what usually kills me when i race.

Originally posted by Unit 5302

Best cars? Everybody wants a Ferrari, don't they?

Best clothes? USA

Best food? USA


best close USA ------ if you're a teenie booper....

best food USA ------ if you want to become a sumo wrestler.......


let me guess you are 15 and you never got ouside your home state...

next time choose something that the US is really good at....which is plenty....just not those two....

Originally posted by flylwsi
there's a kit like that for the 3k gt, and trust me, it looks as bad as you think it would...

i vote 300zx, only b/c the 3000 has a tendency to break alot of parts when a lot of power is added...

there's a local stealth r/t here with about 900hp, and that's the truth, and he goes through clutches weekly.

the shop that works on my car has a set of 5-6 3000's that rotate in regularly... there's no real upgrade for the trans, and it breaks with a ton of power, the axles are the same...

and besides that...

the ecu's are fairly unreliable, and it's not uncommon to have to completely replace one...

but a 300zx isn't exactly super user friendly, with the engine bay being as tight as it is...


considering i've had my vr-4 for over 2 and half years now and having all the reports done on it my car hasn't had a single mechanical defect :iceslolan and now that the car is not exactly gone past its peak cuz i've seen and heard of even higher hp'd 3kgt's than mine i have talked with one guy and he said the same thing as me he's been problem free even after the 700+hp mark .... i agree that the ecu on the stock is complete shit but hey nuttin $230 would solve 2 get an aftermarket and gettin a piggy-back computer is a helluva lot of trouble especially in my hp range but once u get it set thats near 30+hp bonus u can't beat that

Originally posted by Neutrino



best close USA ------ if you're a teenie booper....

best food USA ------ if you want to become a sumo wrestler.......


let me guess you are 15 and you never got ouside your home state...

next time choose something that the US is really good at....which is plenty....just not those two....



best clothes: w/e ur hearts desire

best food: chinese all the way......but i love USA when u don't have enuff money american food is cheap and it fills u up so 2 each his own i say

and sry i'm comin in pretty late but i jus saw this 2day and decided 2 join jus 2 post one reply but i ended up doin a couple more if u have ne questions for me bout my car cuz u don't believe it feel free 2 IM me on AIM or email me i'll be happy 2 answer ne u got except he tech. spec's that r 2 deep i had my cousin and his friend do this car up 4 me all installation's were added free of charge by both of them all i hadda do was pay for the things he told me 2 get. i'm not exactly a car guru and turbo/supercharger guru but i can tell u the main things that r on my car they did this as a favor cuz they both owe me a BIGG favor

unbeatable3kgtvr4 - you should stop in at www.3si.org and convince us that you stripped 1300 pounds off your car. Bring proof and time slips because of your going to shovel 8.x at 180+mph we'll have our boots on. There are a couple VR4s in the 1000hp range that are mid 10 second cars. You're going to need a hell of a lot more then 750 to hit eights.

Originally posted by YogsVR4
unbeatable3kgtvr4 - you should stop in at www.3si.org and convince us that you stripped 1300 pounds off your car. Bring proof and time slips because of your going to shovel 8.x at 180+mph we'll have our boots on. There are a couple VR4s in the 1000hp range that are mid 10 second cars. You're going to need a hell of a lot more then 750 to hit eights.

Lol.

I've never gone into this thread...and I can see you guys got almost pronographic with it.

I'm not closing this myself, since I want to see what this guy with a record-breaking 8-second VR4 comes back with. If another chooses to close it, so be it.