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Okay seriously, WHY did they stop making Metro's?


andrgo
12-19-2006, 10:50 PM
I honestly don't understand it. Any manual Metro pretty much gets at least 42-45 MPG. If you have the right Metro and the right driving habits, you can get 55-60 MPG.

Auto companies claim how great technology is getting and how they can now make [lousy] hybrids that get 35-40. Too bad..

the mileage most hybrids get isn't very impressive compared to Metro's
the NiMH batteries are hella expensive and are only guarenteed for an X amount of miles before you have to replace them
all hybrids are pretty much "newer" vehicles (made in the last 5-6 years) the insurance is going to be way more expensive than on a Metro that's 10-15 years old
Then there are diesel vehicles too. I suppose next to a Metro, diesels are the best option. Diesel fuel though costs more, I mean not incredibly more when you compare it cent-by-cent but those cents add up and over a year, you'll have spent hundreds possibly thousands of dollars more on diesel than you would have on unleaded fuel for a Geo.


Anyway, back to the question...
WHY the hell did they stop making Metro's? Seriously, are/were they THAT thick-headed?

We all know they were making Metro's back in the early 90's that were TYPICALLY getting 45-50 MPG. Now we're in 2006... I can only imagine that if they REALLY wanted to bring the Metro back, if they incorporated some new technology into it 60-75 MPG could be possible, maybe more.

We're in 2006. Global warming and fuel prices are like 20 times worse than they were just 10, 15 years ago. Why don't they bring the Metro back? And don't even say the words "Chevrolet Aveo" because the mileage that thing gets is BS, I don't care if its a "rebadged Metro" or not.

They need to bring it back. It is so stupid they don't!

Anyone agree?

mainemetro
12-20-2006, 08:17 AM
They stopped making and selling metros because there is more money to be made selling bigger vehicles and expensive hybrids.

The North American consumer WANTS a Hummer, but will settle for an Excursion or Highlander - all high-priced vehicles (ie: big profits). Those rare consumers who care about carbon emissions/global warming/fuel economy are lining up to spend $24,0000 on a Prius (ie:big profits)

Us Geo lovers are a tiny minority and the Geo is a cheap littlecar (ie: little profit). It's about economics, not fuel economy.

Automobile manufacturers build cars to make money, period.

Ren

1996 Geo 1L 5sp 3dr

Best Tank = 55MPG
Average = 47MPG

DOCTORBILL
12-20-2006, 12:35 PM
I had heard that GM was going to stop making the Suburban, the best
selling vehicle in the History of car making.... still being made though.

Who made that decision?

I worked in Industry for "executives" - marketing types who advance by
ass kissing their superiors....

I have no faith in the intelligence of business executives!

I may be considered a stupid failure because I haven't been a "Captain of Industry",
but I have seen such stonebrained stupidity at the "top" that it is mind boggling!

I also learned that the "bottom line" for the next three months can govern what
executives do and how they decide things.

If something is not an instant success - then it is a failure to them!
Just witness what TV execs did with popular TV series in their beginning phases - dropped them!

We Americans need in instant fix! Immediate satisfaction. At least in
30 minutes - like in TV shows. No 30 minute denoument, change channels to
"I Love Lucy."

Folks will say that that has gotten us where we are today....(in the toilet ?)

The Asians seem to think ahead several years - maybe even decades.
The Janapese did it, now the Chinese are doing that. We aren't.

History will write the conclusion to which "method" has worked best and which
countries will be "third world" in the next few decades.

Anyway - how many Geo's were sold? How many are being rebuilt and reused?
Why? Not for its looks or speed or muscle!
Conspiracy types think the Oil Companies suppress high efficiency vehicle manufacture.
Maybe that's true!

I don't know squat except that I love my little Metro all to Hell!

DoctorBill

PS - I wish I didn't have all these buttons that people can push and get me started
railing about this and that! Such an easy mark....

Crvett69
12-20-2006, 04:11 PM
they still make the 92-94 metro new in south america, kind of like how they made the bug in mexico long after they stopped in germany. i was in africa last year and saw a new suzuki in a show room there. it still had the same 3 cyl thats in our old metros here. with the smart car and a few other due to come in to the US and with rising gas prices they may start importing metros again

DOCTORBILL
12-20-2006, 05:46 PM
Lettuce all stop a moment and pray for the Metro to come back...

Suzuki, Chevrolet, "Geo" or Juan Valdez de Horno - don't care - just let it come back!

The 3 cylinder one mostly!

Bet it will beat those goofy Hydrogen/Hybrids!

Bet it could be made to run on pure Ethanol, too....just like some of us here on
this Forum can....run on Ethanol, that is.

Maybe someone could modify a Metro to run on Methane gas from Pig Poop!
Carry a big tank of that stuff around in a very small trailer on one wheel in back.

The movement would keep it aggitated and fermenting. Just don't get in any accidents!

Stop at Filling Stations and fill it up from the "Rest Room".....how many mpd ?

Don't they have busses in the Phillipines that run that way?

DoctorBill

DavidLang
12-20-2006, 06:44 PM
The only way I would buy a new car right now is if they would re-issue the XFI. Othewise I'll keep patching up my two Metros. "I wish I knew what I know now, when I was younger", I would have bought a new XFI in the early 90's and still be driving it.

tmaxmetro
12-22-2006, 08:37 PM
Its all money.

Why did they stop making the Metro? Why have we in North America never really had the opportunity to purchase small cars?

Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda, Suzuki, etc. have all been making "Kei Vehicles" for years - 660cc or less, very fuel efficient, very durable... but not available in North America.

Suzuki Carry, Honda Acty, Honda Beat, Subura Sombar, Mazda, minica, autozam...... and there are many more Kei vehicles. "Kei Jidosha" = Kei Vehicle = Kei Car = K-car = light vehicle.

Ironically, the Metro is probably the closest thing to - and the only "Kei-like Vehicle" ever sold in North America.




cheers,

andrgo
12-23-2006, 02:02 AM
I know people like their big rig Suburbans and all of that, but there's also people like Metro owners that like the opposite. Wouldn't you think GM would actually make some nice profits if they made another Metro-like unleaded-fuel small 3-cylinder car that got 60 MPG? Every person I know at work, and in my family, and my friends all complain and are tired of the gas prices. I know quite a few people that, if a car getting 45+ MPG on unleaded fuel only were to be sold again in the US again, would buy one in a heartbeat no matter how small it is. There are many people in America that only want basic affordable transportation. Personally, all I really care about is getting from point A to point B, which is why I like the Metro so much. I do not want NOR do I need a vehicle that has a V6 or a V8 just because it's bigger. I mean I'm a young single guy and I plan on staying that way for quite a few years to come still, there are many young and older people alike that don't need big cars because they don't have big families or they don't have big things to transport. Sure, having a Suburban or F150 is nice if you've got 2 kids in your family of 4, or if you buy sheets of plywood and whatnot. But there are many people that just need basic transportation, point A to point B.. the most they'll ever have to worry about fitting into their car is groceries, not big-box items or large objects like they'd need to have a truck or SUV for.


I really think myself that GM would have a great target audience of younger people (16 - mid 20's) and older couples (60 +) if they were to bring back the Metro or a Metro-like vehicle with 45+ gas mileage on just unleaded fuel. All most people in these age groups are going to care about is basic "point A to point B" transportation where the only thing they have to transport is their own bodies.


I emailed GM the other day and brougth my idea to their attention (or tried to at least.) I know it's useless, but you'd think they could just make ONE model of a vehicle that gets 45+ MPG on unleaded. I know how you guys talked about how it's all about money and revenue for GM, but obviously people would STILL be buying Suburbans and Blazers up the ying-yang even if they did release just ONE model of a vehicle that got 45+ MPG on unleaded fuel only. I don't see how it would hurt them to just release that ONE model, because obviously they could still keep releasing all of their other traditional "gas-hog" models at the same time. I bet they would have great sales among the younger and older age groups for sure. I just don't understand how reproducing maybe 20,000 Metro's with even better fuel-efficiency than those of the 90's would hurt them at all, I bet it would be an instant success with gas prices at $2.20 - 2.50 right now.


Just my thoughts, but until they wake up and get some more 3-cylinder Metro or Metro-like hatchbacks out on the market, I'll be buying Japanese. I know, I hate to be a traitor to my own country, but I think GM is being a traitor to me by not giving me at least ONE option to have a newer vehicle that gets 45+ MPG on unleaded. But of course I probably won't be getting any new vehicles anytime soon, I'm hoping to purchase a Metro as soon as I can sell my darn '87 F150 (I got it for free from my folks, otherwise I wouldn't be driving it.)

DOCTORBILL
12-23-2006, 09:28 AM
I don't believe it is just economics involved in decisions not to sell small economy
cars here in America.

I think it is the "Poppa Daddy Big Bucks" executives who run the Corporations.

It is their mentality and psychology that is running the Corporations.
Their way of thinking permiates from the top to the bottom via ass-kissing suckupness.
Like a rumba dance line with each face in the butt in front al the way to the bottom.

Sounds like I am being silly, but I mean it! I've seen how the big guy rules everything!

It is the same thing that is happening in our Congress, Senate and the Presidency.
A mind set.

Do you know very many of those people who are hurting for money?
Do you think they have trouble meeting their personal bills like you and I do?

When has a President of the United States been elected who was, at the time, "not wealthy"?
Why do most all political candidates have such great personal wealth?
Many have inherited their wealth - Ted Kennedy, George Bush, Nancy Pelosi (I'd name others,
but don't know them) and are even worse because they didn't earn that wealth.

These links were picked at random in a Google search....
http://kasusa.squarespace.com/interest/2006/9/11/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-roll-call.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/13/senators.finances/
www.forbes.com/2002/10/29/cx_dd_richpols.html

Most all are rich people. People who are not personally concerned with
the price of gasoline. They all drive big vehicles (if they drive at all) or have
VIP Executive Chauffeur Services in Limosines.

My point is - the people now who make decisions in America are not of
the common working class who have money problems.

I remember the First George Bush once saying in an interview on TV that he
had his chauffer pay for some gift he wanted in a store because he never
carries money around in his pocket!.

So we probably will never see a small Geo Metro type automobile again because
those big mucky mucks cannot comprehend why anyone would want one!

Do you really believe that the heads of the Automotive Corporations have
anything in common with you and I other than being human beings and going
to the bathroom, etc. ?

They are above such things - and want it that way. I have personally seen such
arrogance and pride and "holier than thou" behaviour - just in a very small,
insignificant division of a big corporation.

When the "Big Guys" visited us, the arrogance was like fumes coming off of them!
They were very concerned with the Wine List for that evening's big dinner at the
best restaurant in town!

Even if some small privately owned company started making Geo Metro type
vehicles - if it were successful, the big Corporations would buy it out (money talks all
languages - even mine!) and those guys would start putting bigger engines
in the cars and making them larger - you know the drill....

They tell you in TV inteviews that Americans want big vehicles with big, powerful
engines and lots of room. They tell you that! Did you ever hear Lee Iacocca
speak of small cars for the "average" American? He doesn't have any clue what an
average American is....

It takes "Foreign thinking" to make Geo Metro vehicles....Asians and Italians and Frenchmen (yuk).

Many small, economy vehicles are made in Asia and Europe. Why aren't they being sold here...?

We are told they are not safe. Can't compete on the road. Bulldrops! Absurdity!

Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, George Bush types make it the Laws.

People who can buy any top line, big car in a different color for each day of
the week. Buy a new one as each "old one" gets dirty.

Does Bill Gates worry about gas mileage? Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi? George?

They make the Laws and are on Boards of Directors of Big Corporations.

Not you and me.....we can go screw ourselves because we don't 'understand' economics.

Long story short - there has been a big disconnect between those "in power"
in America and those who "work for a living."

In Corporations and in Politics. Kind of like what happened in France and Russia
before their big revolutions a couple of hundred years ago.
Those in control didn't connect with those who made them rich.

History repeats itself....

By the way - I am a conservative, gun carrying capitalist - not a communist!

But our system has changed and is not responsive to the very people it caters to.

Today, the big mucky mucks tell us what we need...not the other way around.

DoctorBill

PS - who does understand - WALMART....and we hate them! Big corporations, the government
and the "Media" consider them the enemy - because they don't conform to "the way."

Now go ahead and tell me I'm full of baloney!

tmaxmetro
12-23-2006, 11:59 AM
Actually, you probably will be seeing a new "micro" vehicle available in the U.S. Its the "Smart Car" - which has been available here in Canada for some time. I believe the U.S. model is gas powered - and the Canadian model will continue to be powered by the 3-cyl diesel.

Here, the Smart car is badged as a Mercedes - although I don't know who makes which parts of the vehicle.

cheers,

andrgo
12-23-2006, 12:05 PM
@Bill: I get what you mean a little better now, like how the same people in charge of the vehicle corporations are somehow knotted in with the dirty politics who make the laws so we can't have the nice gas-savers here. Thanks, it does make sense to me.

@tmax: is this the car you're talking about?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Smart_Fortwo_Cabrio.JPG

tmaxmetro
12-23-2006, 12:17 PM
@tmax: is this the car you're talking about?


Yup - they're already on the road here - have been for maybe 3 years. If memory serves, it was something about the fact that the car is diesel powered that prevented it from entering the U.S. - hence the Smart U.S. version (is it the "Zip" or "Zap"?) is gas powered.

cheers,

andrgo
12-23-2006, 12:20 PM
Yup - they're already on the road here - have been for maybe 3 years. If memory serves, it was something about the fact that the car is diesel powered that prevented it from entering the U.S. - hence the Smart U.S. version (is it the "Zip" or "Zap"?) is gas powered.

cheers,
Yeah, I was reading up on them. It said they're prevented from entering the US because of diesel emissions, of course. How many MPG do you guys get with those things? It said we might have one here in 2008, I hope we do, I'd buy one if I end up not getting a Metro (it's hard finding a decent one around here too.)

Mike_Van
12-24-2006, 09:00 PM
I'd have to agree that small cars are NOT favored by car makers, due to small profit margins. The big three became quite comfortable primarily selling SUVs and minivans (the 'light' truck CAFE loophole) in the 1990's, so much so that they became reliant on them for the short-term (do corporations ever think further ahead?) success of their business model.

Another thing to consider is that rising oil prices only really got Americans' attention about 15 months ago, when Katrina hit.

The thing to remember is the extent to which the fuel prices we pay in the U.S. are the result of a significantly distorted market. If I sell you a widget for $1, even though it costs $2 to produce, you're likely to use more widgets., as American consumers do with fuel.
The trick, of course, is that one gets a third party to cover the other costs that the widget purchaser does not pay directly. The third party, in our case, is the payer of Federal income taxes who funds the Pentagon's massive expenditures in the Persian Gulf since FDR made the oil-for-protection deal of the century with Ibn Saud. These costs simply are not reflected at the fuel pump, or in the price of other petroleum products from the region that incurs these costs.

Were the oil companies who do business in that volatile part of the world forced to pay mercenaries to perform oil-supply-route protection services that our armed forces do, you can be quite sure that fuel prices would not be as low as they currently are.
Instead, they have successfully externalized the costs that would (and should, IMHO) be their cost to bear, and pass along to the consumer.
The cost of oil supply-route protection belongs in the price of what the end user buys (plastics, fuel, petrochemicals), so they can adjust their behavior.

Currently there is very little incentive to do so, and I'm not the least bit surprised that the people who incessantly scream for 'free markets' fail to note this massive market distortion and its significant impact on consumer behavior.

/flame-suit ON

Metro Mighty Mouse
12-25-2006, 03:47 AM
#1 the Smart is already available, saw one the other day, just over 1/2 as big as a metro. REALLY SMALL.

#2. You will probably will see the result of the gas spike in another 3 years. It takes that long for the big cos to react to market change, especially with large, complicated things like cars. The designers try to predict changes in the marketplace to design to. If you think back to before the gas prices spiked you may remember we had been in an extended period of very low gas prices, it lasted for several years and encouraged the production of very large vehicles. I doubt many predicted the large, sudden spike in gas (oil) prices, and the auto manufactures were definately caught sleeping. They will produce more fuel efficient vehicles, but it will take a few years to catch up.

#3. The oil cos are not solely at fault. They are taking govt. subsidies that they shouldn't be since they are seeing huge profits. They are also not trying very hard to design/ build gas refineries, claiming they can't meet the polution requirements, and this is limiting the supply of gasoline and driving the price up. Unfortunately the biggest cause is traders on the market pushing the cost of a barrel of oil way out of porportion to what our real supply shortage is.

My 2cents anyway,
MMM
Jon

tmaxmetro
12-25-2006, 08:53 PM
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tmaxmetro
12-25-2006, 08:56 PM
Approx. 57mpg U.S. (if my conversion is correct). See more info. at www.thesmart.ca (http://www.thesmart.ca)

Very neat car - rear engine, two seater, about 1600 lbs, 3-cylinder 799cc inline cdi turbo diesel.

Now that would be a neat engine to drop into a Metro!

cheers,

Yeah, I was reading up on them. It said they're prevented from entering the US because of diesel emissions, of course. How many MPG do you guys get with those things? It said we might have one here in 2008, I hope we do, I'd buy one if I end up not getting a Metro (it's hard finding a decent one around here too.)

DOCTORBILL
12-28-2006, 10:40 AM
My father once had a French copy of the BMW Motorcycle called the "Rattier" used
by all the French Police. I cannot find any reference to it on the web - was in the '60's.

Which brings to mind that horizontally opposed, two cylinger engine.

Don't some airplanes have that horizontal opposed cylinders type engines?

Why haven't they appeared in automobiles? Too hard to cool?

Too odd shaped to place in a motor car?

I'd think they would have less vibration and be a good design - engineering wise.

DoctorBill

BLU CIVIC
12-28-2006, 10:50 AM
took a Smart for a test drive this summer and it turned out to be a real peppy car...not officially for sale in the states yet, but some dealerships are bringing them over and converting them to US spec.

they could have kept the metro, redesigned it and wold have and an advantage when this new small car market came into play...but they didn't and IMO, lost out on a very big market

tmaxmetro
12-28-2006, 11:03 AM
The original rear-engine VW bug had a horizontally opposed 4-cyl air cooled engine - very neat. The cylinders bolted to the block and could be replaced, two heads, single carb, etc.

Its been lots of years since I've owned a Bug - but I don't remember even the 1600cc being all that peppy (in stock form) - and the vehicle handled poorly on anything but dry pavement. I had 1200cc Bugs as well... and they were almost un-driveable in hilly areas.

cheers,



My father once had a French copy of the BMW Motorcycle called the "Rattier" used
by all the French Police.

Which brings to mind that horizontally opposed, two cylinger engine.

Don't some airplanes have that horizontal opposed cylinders type engines?

Why haven't they appeared in automobiles? Too hard to cool?

Too odd shaped to place in a motor car?

I'd think they would have less vibration and be a good design - engineering wise.

DoctorBill

Mike_Van
12-28-2006, 11:48 AM
My father once had a French copy of the BMW Motorcycle called the "Rattier" used
by all the French Police. I cannot find any reference to it on the web - was in the '60's.

Which brings to mind that horizontally opposed, two cylinger engine.

Don't some airplanes have that horizontal opposed cylinders type engines?

Why haven't they appeared in automobiles? Too hard to cool?

Too odd shaped to place in a motor car?

I'd think they would have less vibration and be a good design - engineering wise.

DoctorBill

There are quite a few horiz. opposed (boxer) engine designs out on our roads, though none of them are small enough to be very efficient (e.g. Subaru, Porsche, air-cooled VW Beetles and air & water-cooled T3's).

And yes, these engine designs are very good at balancing/canceling out their own vibrations. These engines, due to their orientation and mounting possibilities, can allow a vehicle to have a lower center of gravity.

Mike

hot_sd
12-28-2006, 12:06 PM
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Don't some airplanes have that horizontal opposed cylinders type engines?


DoctorBill

That's correct - the engines you find it light GA aircraft like the Cessna 172s made by Lycoming or Continental are horizontally opposed. Also they are air-cooled although I'm not sure that's a factor.

DOCTORBILL
12-28-2006, 12:47 PM
Wasn't the Corvair a 4 cyl horizontally opposed air cooled engine?

It was in the rear of the vehicle.

I drove one when I was much, much younger and it seemed quite a nice car!

I didn't pay any attention to the mechanics of it - I was too busy being
interested in girls.....and how they fit into the car....

Put gas in it and drive the hell out of it....the car, not the girls!

Ah, the "good old days..." - my youth. What a waste!

But I had fun!

DoctorBill

JustSayGo
12-28-2006, 05:04 PM
Corvairs are six cylinder horizontally opposed, with a long V-belt to drive the cooling fan and generator. They leak a lot of oil, the belt breaks or flys off, engine overheats and catches fire. Some were turbocharged 180+ HP. Ralph Nader said they were a death trap. Aerodynamics caused the front end to be so light at 90 MPH that steering control could be lost because the tires barely touch the ground. Those were the days!

DOCTORBILL
12-28-2006, 08:23 PM
Yah, "Ralph Nader said they were a death trap."

Ralph Nader can go .......

I loved every minute of driving that car - drove the crap out of it!

Yes, the Fan Belt would break at the damnedest times (middle of LA Freeway),
but it never gave me any trouble otherwise!

Was nice for driving sweet young things around Garden Grove and San Diego....
to Laguna Beach at night for Camp fires with buttered Lobster...ummmm.
Memories.

And I used to do 85 mph on the San Diego Freeway!

Just put some weight up front!

Ralph Nader got a hair up his bumpkiss over many things....What a putz!

There are always "Buzzkills" lurking in the wings for every damned thing!

DoctorBill

GM Line Rat
12-30-2006, 12:42 PM
Well, Here's my .02 on the subject: GM has been making small cars such as the Geo Metro for years and selling them at little profit, or at times at a loss ($$$....Tax Rightoff). GM is in a restructuring turnaround now and needs to make $$$ fast! I've seen the same senario played out several times at GM in the 28 Years I've worked for them (Chevy Chevette is one that comes to mind). GM will still produce small fuel efficent cars for sale in the USA, But they wont be built in North America!.....Prime example is the new Chevy Aveo. When GM Discontinued their joint venture with Suzuki in Canada on the Metro line (Pre-Gas prices skyrocketing era), Then parted ways with the Suzuki joint venture all together recently......I doubt seriously you'll ever see another new Metro line to be Re-Introduced, At least not in it's present form....:frown: ......Enjoy them while you have them Boys!

DOCTORBILL
12-30-2006, 02:45 PM
Well, then....there is your problem - no?!

Why does GM or Ford or Chyrsler or any big corporation have to be our saviour?

Is this what is wrong with America? If a big corporation won't make something
we need, it won't get made? Is that how it is?

Some small Company, run by a normal, simple minded entrepreneur should start
making some small Geo Metro type of automobile that gets 60 mpg and looks
"cool" enough for the American "mind" - for around $8,000.

Once it is selling like hotcakes, we can let all those "elete', super smart, smarmy
Marketing Executives wring their hands and whine that 'someone' should have
thought of this idea!

Then they can all sit around the big Teak Conference Tables drinking wine and
planning how they can undercut the 'new guy' and buy his enterprise out for
5 billion and turn the new car into an SUV with a V-8 engine and maybe
make it 4 wheel drive....

Where are the normal American entrepreneurs who usually get the job done
that Big Corporations F**k up every day?

You know, doing something that cannot be done!

And quickly and under budget...for a profit.

How about some of us get together and do it...?

My only problem is that I am a business doofus and haven't got enough money to pay
my bills with! And with my personality, I'd piss off everyone I work with.

Other than that....let's do it!

DoctorBill

tmaxmetro
01-02-2007, 07:10 AM
Chrysler is rumoured to be making deals with Chery Automobile of China to produce a new "tiny car" for North America. These tiny cars are known as "B-Cars".

The Chery QQ is an 800cc 3 cylinder 4-door which looks somewhat like a small VW Golf... so although the Metro is not yet coming back, it does appear that the automakers are indeed paying attention to those looking for super-econo cars.

cheers,

floridabuckeye
01-04-2007, 12:43 AM
I didn't make it through everything yet so my appologies if it has been said already. I lived in Italy for 4 years and became very familiar with Smart Cars. They are made by Mercedes. They are much to small for the average American to do the things we do with our cars on a daily basis. No trunk space means no room for Groceries, shopping, and general things such as tools that most of us carry with us all the time. They are fun little cars to drive though. In Europe there is a much cooler Smart car roadster and a four door smart available... the UK site (http://www.smart.com/-snm-0150280684-1163147988-0000010886-0000012542-1167888058-enm-is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/mpc-uk-content-Site/en_UK/-/GBP/SVCPresentationPipeline-Start;sid=BgijHPKb9ziKHLcHiLIrFHCRmDOr-2ygDu93l-LdRRyicw==?Page=issite%3a%2f%2fmpc-uk-Site%2fmpc-uk%2ecom%2fRootFolder%2fsmart%2fhome%2epage)

If I had my choice of small cars presently made, oddly I would pick a Fiat Punto 1.1 (or even the 1.2) It is about the same size as a Metro hatchback and gets amazing gas mileage along with being incredibly durable and very good crash test ratings... for about 8 to 10 grand you can get one brand new that will get around 45mpg... I drove one for all 4 years and only 3 very minor problems... I would love to see GM rebadge that...

This is very similar to what mind looked like... I changed a few details though (used a body kit from the 1.8 sport version a front lip wheels etc....)

http://www.tuningshop.co.uk/Features/punto1.jpg

99Metro
01-05-2007, 03:13 PM
I think they stopped making Metros because demand is for high horsepower/high performance vehicles. People want to do 0-60 in 5 seconds - they want performance and the "fun" factor. In general, people are doing better financially, so they sacrifice fuel economy for horsepower. If you look at the new cars these days, you will be hard pressed to find one with less than 100 hp. I also think that the auto makers believe the gas price situation is temporary and that it isn't worth going to smaller vehicles for now. People are still buying the big ones - and that is where the money is at. It is all about the money...

Mike_Van
01-05-2007, 04:18 PM
I think they stopped making Metros because demand is for high horsepower/high performance vehicles. People want to do 0-60 in 5 seconds - they want performance and the "fun" factor. In general, people are doing better financially, so they sacrifice fuel economy for horsepower. If you look at the new cars these days, you will be hard pressed to find one with less than 100 hp. I also think that the auto makers believe the gas price situation is temporary and that it isn't worth going to smaller vehicles for now. People are still buying the big ones - and that is where the money is at. It is all about the money...

Right. What better reason to keep people from paying the true costs of imported petrol at the pump? The less it appears to cost, the more consumers use.

For better fuel economy, there is simply no replacement for small displacement engines in a light chassis. There are people who will insist that a small car can never be a safe car. That's only because there is no real incentive to use the types of materials used in F1 cars that allow drivers to walk away from 200 mph crashes. For this technology to be applied to passenger vehicles, what's needed is the long overdue divorce of the auto-industry from the steel industry. Lightweight aluminum space-frames and carbon fiber can be used to make very safe small cars. What's needed is for these materials to be produced at economies of scale that make them cost-competitive with steel.

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