(original post edited at another user's request)

Lets just say I heard you can get some interesting, recently taken F1 pics here: http://www.deepabyss.com/wp/

thanks for sharing :icon16:

Car was finally delivered just before thanksgiving after months of being stuck at the federal testing lab

Good to see the new owner got it. I think we'll be seeing more of this beautiful F1

Btw, Richards pics are stunning as usual

I am happy to see this car finally make it's way home. For those who can't really tell, this is the light blue car that Taylor & Crawley sold - formerly Mansour Ojjeh's so I was told. It is chassis #036.

Pics are wonderful as usual from that man. He has an eye for the angles and lots of talent with a camera.

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ER


BTW: I'd be happy to go help defend against "fanboyish comments and fallacious criticisms" if you want to PM me the link. :naughty:

Nevermind - I have a good memory and found it on my own. :cool: Nothing too bad over there and I don't feel like paying $9.95 to register. :shakehead

Awesome

BTW: I'd be happy to go help defend against "fanboyish comments and fallacious criticisms" if you want to PM me the link. :naughty:

Nevermind - I have a good memory and found it on my own. :cool: Nothing too bad over there and I don't feel like paying $9.95 to register. :shakehead haha =)

I agree that the comments weren't as bad as some as I've seen other places, but like every forum it has its own set of logical and illogical biases towards and against certain things.

Glad to see it finally made it through. I hear the owner had a tough time with some over-zealous officials.

^^^^^ Updated with a couple of pictures

Its good to see some new pictures of this car - lovely colour!..

I can't see any pictures - I just get an offensive message!! Any chance we can have a new link to these pics.

Thanks

I can't see any pictures - I just get an offensive message!! Any chance we can have a new link to these pics.

Thanks
copy and paste the links into a new webpage - they've done it to stop / limit the number of people linking through to their website from another (i think:screwy: )

copy and paste the links into a new webpage - they've done it to stop people linking through to their website from another (i think:screwy: )


Thanks for the help - I can now view the bottom two links showing the drawings of how to get in and out of the F1 but unfortunately it still won't allow me to look at any of the previous links!

More photos from today -

http://www.deepabyss.com/work/mac/01.jpg

http://www.deepabyss.com/work/mac/02.jpg

http://www.deepabyss.com/work/mac/03.jpg

http://www.deepabyss.com/work/mac/04.jpg

http://www.deepabyss.com/work/mac/05.jpg

http://www.deepabyss.com/photos/richard_f1.jpg

Yes, I know the links are not clickable.

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ER

Anyone who has the pics, please host on photobucket or somewhere that allows linking. Thx.

Hello,

good news :) So we will have more pics of #036 than the precedent years !

Any chance to tell about our forum to the new owner ?

Phil

PS : Erik > Do you know if Mansour Ojjeh had had this one brand new ?

Any chance to tell about our forum to the new owner ?

The new owner is familiar with our forum. :wink:

PS : Erik > Do you know if Mansour Ojjeh had had this one brand new ?

It is my understanding that he was the only previous owner of this car.

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ER

Hello Erik :)

eh eh thank you very much. So, the owner is FS ?

Phil

eh eh thank you very much. So, the owner is FS ?

What gives you that idea? :shakehead

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ER

What gives you that idea? :shakehead

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ER

not a bad guess (not my first choice though) seeing as he is well known here and the car's in America

my guess would br Peloton25!! :wink: what with your new found fame of Magazine Covers :wink: :wink:

The owners other cars and the person who took the pics should be a clue for informed supercar fans

Hello,

Quote:
Originally Posted by cabrio92
eh eh thank you very much. So, the owner is FS ?


What gives you that idea?

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ER

You say he is on this forum, so I think to FS, Jomo and ????

Phil

I never said he was on the forum. I said he was familiar with it. He may be here lurking but is none of the characters you suppose.

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ER

So the car's new home is in Ponchatoula Louisiana?

I said he was familiar with it

I am sorry Erik but it doesn't help :(

Phil

I think its clear by now that neither me or Erik is going to come out and say who the new owner is. His name is out there and there was a big clue just given. Do a little digging and you'll come up with him

Ok, guys, this didn’t take too long. The new owner of #036 is named Daniel Heard. He is an avid Ferrari collector and owns one of two black F50s in the US.

Like Chris said, the clues are there. Ferrari fanatics aren't a bad source of info either: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106626&page=8

Btw, the unblurred plate reads: GE 385 I66 (or maybe GE 385 166)

Thanks MalkaJB ;)

Sorry for the misunderstanding

Phil

There are actually more than 2 original black F50's in the US ;)

Richard has posted his comments on the F1 and the original set of photos on his website now.

Check it out: www.deepabyss.com

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ER

Ok, guys, this didn’t take too long. The new owner of #036 is named Daniel Heard. He is an avid Ferrari collector and owns one of two black F50s in the US.

Like Chris said, the clues are there. Ferrari fanatics aren't a bad source of info either: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106626&page=8

Btw, the unblurred plate reads: GE 385 I66 (or maybe GE 385 166)

:shakehead

Some (such as myself) would consider what you have done here to be higly offensive. Have you considered that the owner may enjoy his privacy? Or the idea that you did research on the internet to bring his name and location to light is obnoxious and rude? Have you considered the fact that I blurred license plates in these photos for a reason?

I hate to point fingers, but you are acting out the role of the person who makes it difficult for me as the photographer of all of the photos in this thread to continue posting them on the internet. It is not your right to decide whether or not someone else wants their private personal information published in a public place. It is shameful that you cannot respect my wishes or the wishes of others in blurring out that license plate. I would love to continue sharing images of this car with internet car enthusiasts such as many of you on this forum, but in less than a week from the delivery of this car to its owner you have proven why I cannot.

Shameful.

:shakehead

Some (such as myself) would consider what you have done here to be higly offensive. Have you considered that the owner may enjoy his privacy? Or the idea that you did research on the internet to bring his name and location to light is obnoxious and rude? Have you considered the fact that I blurred license plates in these photos for a reason?

I hate to point fingers, but you are acting out the role of the person who makes it difficult for me as the photographer of all of the photos in this thread to continue posting them on the internet. It is not your right to decide whether or not someone else wants their private personal information published in a public place. It is shameful that you cannot respect my wishes or the wishes of others in blurring out that license plate. I would love to continue sharing images of this car with internet car enthusiasts such as many of you on this forum, but in less than a week from the delivery of this car to its owner you have proven why I cannot.

Shameful.

Richard - I certainly see your points. I've been respecting his privacy at his request since he first contacted me back in May. I figured that others would at least try to do the same.

However... <Edit: After chatting with syf0n via PM I'm removing the references to the 'puzzle pieces' scattered around the web which I identified here in my post.>

As for the plates in your shots, for at least the first 12 hours you had these images online the plates were not blurred. I still have copies of the originals if you don't recall and I am certain many others do as well. Anyway, what harm could possibly come from someone knowing the details of the Swiss tags that are on the car? Are you suggesting that someone could track down the current or even the former owner with them? I tend to doubt that.

Look, what you are doing here is great - actually it's beyond great as it is very rare to have anyone with skills like yours get to use them on an F1 to the rest of the world's benefit - but with all the information in circulation it seemed inevitible to me that people would easily figure out who owns this F1, and they did in short order. If that somehow diminishes your willingness or ability to continue to share images/descriptions/whatever in relation to this car I guess all I can say is that's certainly disappointing. :disappoin

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ER

Who's goal is it really to protect this man's privacy?
This is where you have the idea wrong -- it is not an issue of protection, it is an issue of respect. You, having apparently been in communication with this individual and informed of his wishes, should know better than to post his information or allude to how it can be obtained. Instead it is held out over the heads of other users here for them to jump up at, as if it is something to be taunted by.

Cut the cake however you like, but members of this forum (yourself included at this point) have gone against the wishes of myself and others in a perverse attempt to turn the personal information of a respectable individual into the insignificant minutiae of an internet name-dropping contest.

I just wanted to say it wasn't my intention to lead people to the owners name. I was not going to come out with it even if people couldn't find it, i was simply saying that if you want to find it you can. It may have appeared that i was egging people on to find the owners name, but it wasn't.

Since I'm the one who started this thread, I feel I should make an attempt to get everybody on the same page.

Some background information:

The forum where syf0n's post orginally appeared has a different atmosphere and set of unwritten rules than the one here. As a member of both, I'm asking people to just be careful with what you say. I've intentionally avoided mentioning AF in the other forum, or the other forum in AF, specifically to avoid inter-forum arguments that arise from people with one set of "rules" interacting with people who have a different set of "rules."

A request to everybody everywhere:

If the information being spread around is public already, it's one thing. If it's private or was revealed against an owner's wishes, get the owner's permission first please. The kind of research performed by some people here is seen by others as a huge invasion of privacy, despite the fact that almost all of it is dependent upon aggregrating information which is already public. FerrariChat.com and Pistonheads.com have just as many, if not more, people "in the know" as here. Once something is public, word travels.

Confidential information:

Whether certain information should be public in the first place is another debate entirely. In this case, it appears the information being crossposted all over the place (including my crosspost) was publicly available and not something that was highly confidential. I've said in other posts that owning an any other exotic car doesn't mean the owner has to automatically give up all rights to privacy. However, any owner of an exotic car should realize he/she cannot realistically expect 100% privacy. I'm not defending the spreading of confidential information, rather I'm just stating the obvious fact that confidential information doesn't stay confidential forever, and when it gets out some pieces spread faster than others.

To syf0n:

I'm not sure if you lurk on AF, or came here by other connections. I realize you're upset, but please realize that it's the internet, and anybody can look at anything (sometimes by paying $10). This isn't to say that the members of this forum don't respect privacy, but the speed at which information travels may be a little startling to you. If something was let out against an owner's wish, then notify forum staff who will deal with it appropriately. Several F1 owners have posted here, and haven't made any secret of their names. Not everybody who owns an exotic feels disrespect or offense when other people find out about the car, and many owners are more than willing to share their experiences. Those who wish to remain anonymous are free to do so. When I say this I'm not defending any individual, or any group of people, or any one set of ideals -- I'm just stating reality after having seen the situation from multiple perspectives. In actual defense of the members here: I would like to point out that there are people here who have confidential information, and who show the maturity and character to refrain from posting it. Everything else is, as they say, heresay. (If you've lurked here before, then you're probably familiar with how this sub-section of AF operates.)

Well said

Since I'm the one who started this thread, I feel I should make an attempt to get everybody on the same page...
I appreciate your level headed approach and attempt to correct this situation :) I am well aware of the nature of the internet and its inner-workings. I cannot expect everyone to share my views about the matters discussed in this topic.

In the future, I ask that my photography and writing not be republished in this forum without my personal consent. For this purpose, my contact information is available on my website which has been linked in this thread.

I appreciate your level headed approach and attempt to correct this situation :)Good =) I didn't want any future ill will between users or forums.

In the future, I ask that my photography and writing not be republished in this forum without my personal consent. For this purpose, my contact information is available on my website which has been linked in this thread.Noted. I've changed the original post to reflect this.

What are we talking about, exactly? All this hue and cry about a non-issue...some people have way too much time on their hands.

This forum has never been the first to reveal any private info. And if it's available elsewhere, then mentioning it here is hardly something to get worked up about.

In the future, I ask that my photography and writing not be republished in this forum without my personal consent. For this purpose, my contact information is available on my website which has been linked in this thread.

Wait, you freely post your pictures on your website and your website address is available in several different forums. How can you prevent people from linking to your photos or 'stealing' your photos for their own hosting and use?

And if you don't want your writing to be quoted, don't publish it. I can quote you and your website as much as I want if I attribute it to you.

I've dealt with this issue on my own site and I don't publicly display or say anything I don't want out on the Net. Like removing license plate numbers which I started doing years ago as a courtesy to the Ferrari crowd. If information comes from me then I am responsible for it. I know that my photos have been saved and copied and credit to me will forever be lost. So anything that I want protected is not published -- or has security measures put in place. From what I saw of your site you only had photos of the car, none of the owner's info was posted on there. So, what's wrong with linking or showing the photos and giving credit for it?

I totally agree with you that the owner's name/location info should not be shared or posted publicly. And I think that's the case with any car except in very special cases. The owner is irrelevant in simply admiring the car. That's not why I come to this forum and I skip over that info when reading these threads. I wish it wasn't there at all but I can't stop people from re-posting information from other forums.

Indeed. You can't stop the exchange of information once it's public, nor should you have the desire to control it If you didn't reveal it, it's beyond your control. If you did, it's too late once you do reveal it. To be honest, even blanking out license plates is pointless. They are completely visible (and are legally required to be) in REAL LIFE.

If you are concerned about the information getting into the wrong hands, why just worry about it on the internet? How about in real life? Either take security measures both online and in real life, or in neither. But this selective indignation on the web when the information is unrestricted in real life, or on other websites, or in other types of media such as newspapers or TV recordings, is complete and utter nonsense. And it is very irritating to have to continually explain this simple concept to those who don't get it. Come on folks, it's not hard.

People do take the precautions of protecting private information by using third party registrations and non-traceable addresses on public records. Those who don't ...shouldn't expect other people to do it for them.

I also think that most criminals today are far too smart to rely on pure luck and just sit there and monitor websites hoping some useful information will be revealed. They actively go out and get it. Most information can be bought for a few hundred bucks. But that's another discussion.

Respect owners' wishes, by all means. But please stop with the paranoia and oversensitivity. Or trying to act as if you are the sole, appointed speaker for someone with some connection to the car or the company.

As another (slightly tangential) aside, for those of us in the US, the Supreme Court recently ruled that you cannot be prosecuted for repeating information on the web, whether it is correct or incorrect. Freedom of speech is a very important, almost sacred, freedom, and the law upholds it. That's why I get so annoyed with control freaks who try to limit what others say or do.

Forgive me but!

GET OVER YOURSELF! Does anyone here think this is ridiculous? CONFIDENTIAL....Public road, very high profile car. Park the car, don't ever drive it because someone might follow you home... put a disguise on and for gods sake don't go out in public you might just catch a cold. Make sure you shred your trash, we are looking (lol!) and sell those Ferrari's, those don't ever draw attention.

Jay Leno, Ralph Lauren, Frank Seldorf, Gordon Murray for god's sake, people who matter (get it) aren't worried why are you? You don't matter, the car does!

If you're worried someone might steal it, relax, thanks to this forum, where would they sell it, get it serviced, much less drive it? EVER? We are the best insurance policy around. Stanking KITTY!

Found 2 more pictures of #036 (sorry about the Yeti in shot 1 :lol: )
http://img18.imagevenue.com/loc130/th_61234_36_2_122_130lo.JPG (http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61234_36_2_122_130lo.JPG)
http://img13.imagevenue.com/loc38/th_61239_36_1_122_38lo.JPG (http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61239_36_1_122_38lo.JPG)

I like 3-day old photos. :)

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ER

I like 3-day old photos. :)

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ER
I saw them date stamped as yesterday's date whilst at work, and seeing as I was out late last night this is the first time I could upload them for everyone else. Perhaps they were hosted elsewhere earlier and I caught them on the 30th

It showed up at a recent track day too

I saw them date stamped as yesterday's date whilst at work, and seeing as I was out late last night this is the first time I could upload them for everyone else. Perhaps they were hosted elsewhere earlier and I caught them on the 30th

When I view them from the source it says: Taken on January 28, 2007

Then when I view the EXIF details, it says January 28, 2006 :grinno:

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ER

It showed up at a recent track day tooCool. any links / pics?

oh yeah I see it now - taken on Jan 28 2007 :banghead: serves me right for getting to excited about seeing it again:)

Higher res versions of the same pictures:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.5cb0e7968a.jpg (http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5cb0e7968a.jpg)

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.a3ce560f3e.jpg (http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?a3ce560f3e.jpg)