2000 Nissan Maxima SE

vs.

1993 Ford Thunderbird 5.0 GT


Yes, I propose me and Street_Racer00 take it to Irwandale Speedway and see who runs a faster quarter.

DMC12 seems to have pussed out, we never raced...Untill we do I consider it a win for me. :bandit:

Hes got a nice rice rocket, and its decently fast. My bird has made some good kills, some which shocked me. I figure, I'm no SVT and hes no TT-ZX, so its the same level of car more or less.

So, this is me saying,

:flamer:BRING IT!:badass:

I dont care if I win or lose, its the rush and fun of it that matters to me.

(yes, I would like to win, duh :rolleyes: )

[ Disclaimer: Only reason I wont race is if I cant pass inspection, I just learned my rear right caliper isnt really working anymore...:( But this will be fixed soon! And then we will go. May not be valed at all stores. Ask manager for details.]

as much of a nissan man as i am. i think your SHO can take him. unless hes running on the 3.5 hes not goin to win. my friend's LS out draged a 3.0 with 227hp . even though the max was a auto. and i know how you feel about the caliper man. i had 2 seized calipers before. myf riend had to burn the shit out of them with a torch so that they would work again. but hey it saved me hundreds. literally. parts for my car is dumb expensive!

Go for it... and make sure you videotape it :D

-Grendel

Well, its not a SHO, thats only Taruses. And for that matter i dont think the 5.0 was ever used in them.

Videotape?, defentally, well post it if we can.


Come on anyone, isnt there anyone else with something to say?

Hmmmm sounds good...wait, isn't irwindale the raceway where everyone dies? lol. Well I'm up for it, as long as my tires last.:D

Well I'm not doing to well in the polls. 91% of the people either think I am going to lose or die! :D

My money is on terminalvelocity. I think it has the potential to be close though, depends on what hp rating the maxima has. Go show him some 5.0 muscle. Hope street racer doesnt pull a dmc12 chicken trick.

by the polls

betts are

I win

or

My calier locks up and your tires split, we collide


YAY SPEEDWAY! :flipa:

well the ford might have a small block v8. but never underestimate the nissan's flag ship VQ v6 engines. its basically technology in a decent size block vs. raw brute strenght in a big block (to us import guys atleast) heh but if you compare your mods to streetracers. your mods are alot more serious and your car should accept the mods much better cuase your engine is a 5.0

after your done burning... can i have salvage rights?

Originally posted by RedNeck383
after your done burning... can i have salvage rights?
To his car or him?:D

his car wouldnt be worth much if it got wrecked... although yours would! :D


want to just hand me the keys now? :hehehe:

joking...

Oh BTW, I voted for TV. The way I look at it, I can't lose. If I bet on him and I lose, I will still look good for picking the winner of the race. If I bet on him and HE loses, then I will still look good because hey, I won the race!:D

Originally posted by street_racer_00
Oh BTW, I voted for TV. The way I look at it, I can't lose. If I bet on him and I lose, I will still look good for picking the winner of the race. If I bet on him and HE loses, then I will still look good because hey, I won the race!:D

hahahahaha :spit: very clever.

well, I voted for myself...I almost voted for us burning alive though :D

Redneck....feel free to salvage his car :flipa:

And the biggest factor I see here is weight...How much does your car weight Street_Racer 00?

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
And the biggest factor I see here is weight...How much does your car weight Street_Racer 00?
between 3200 and 3300, and about between 3350 and 3450 with me at the controls.

3960 is about mine with me at the controlls....

so I am, according to rednecks math, 5 tenths of a second slower than what I would be were we equil weight.....Hmmm...lets hope my 5.0 can make up for it *coughcoughtorquecough*

I really dont have any idea who will win though, it looks pretty close to me

Well, the curb weight of the Max is a touch over 3000 lbs... I think you're going to get rocked Street_Racer... The only advantage I see your Max would be the gears. TV's got 3.08s, and the Max probably has a 3.50 or so.

Max is 3350 lbs, 222 hp. 1hp/15lbs

I don't know what you're making TV, but I think 300hp is probably about right, with a FM Cobra intake, roller cam, and headers/exhaust.

TV's TB, 3900lbs, 300 hp 1hp/13.2lbs

However, torque is the other side of the story!

Max is 3300lbs, 217 lbft. 1lbft/15.2lbs

TV's TB 3900lbs, 320lbft?. 1lbft/12.3lbs

I'm not sure about TVs power, but a stock 93 HO is rated for 205hp, which is really about 230hp. With his bolt ons, he's probably making about 300, and maybe 320 ftlbs.

I am pushing more than the stock 222 though.

i think that streetracers max is pushing around 240 at the crank. and i'm not just sayin that number cuase i drive a 240 lolz. well basically maximas takes mods really well. and i'm guessing with those 2 mods, he would gain atleast 10 at the wheels. sooo thats about another 15 at the crank. you add 222 and 15 you get 237. which is pretty close to 240. now thats pretty close to the new altima's hp rating. and sicne the max is a auto. i would expect 0-60 in the mid 7's and the quarter in the high to mid 15's. which would be alittle slower then the 3.5 altima becaseu the altima weights less. if only you had a 5 speed. thent he story would be completely different. oh wellz.

Man, it's nice to see some guys actually try to set up a race instead of talking trash, and to see them be cool about it instead of being immature. Good luck to both of you, and post some results!:D or a video if possible.

Whens the race going to be? I predict tv is going to run a high 14, got weight aginst him. Which ford racing cam do you have?

A very light one, it was in there before I got it (YAY ME!) E303 I believe is the number in the catalog.

The HO is rated at 200 at the wheels in most books i've seen, but the exaust is known to take away 20-40 hp alone because of how extremly restrictive it is, and when I changed it out you could defentally feel the power difference.

A buddy has a 289 65 mustang rated at 260hp and 280 torque, he also weights a hell of alot less. Granted, he isnt the best driver, but when he and I race he takes me off the line, and then I dust him, by the time of about a quarter its roughtly 5 car lengths.

Once I get 3.75's i'll be much happier :D

But yes, maby this weekend SR00?

not THIS weekend. It has to be sometime after I get my new springs and new tires so I don't die.:p

hahahaha, alright, fine!

Well, maby I can push DMC12 into the race too then. :bandit:

Get those gears! the E303 cam likes higher rpm. Maybe even 4:10s would not be to much.

Originally posted by Cbass
Well, the curb weight of the Max is a touch over 3000 lbs... I think you're going to get rocked Street_Racer... The only advantage I see your Max would be the gears. TV's got 3.08s, and the Max probably has a 3.50 or so.

Max is 3350 lbs, 222 hp. 1hp/15lbs

I don't know what you're making TV, but I think 300hp is probably about right, with a FM Cobra intake, roller cam, and headers/exhaust.

TV's TB, 3900lbs, 300 hp 1hp/13.2lbs

However, torque is the other side of the story!

Max is 3300lbs, 217 lbft. 1lbft/15.2lbs

TV's TB 3900lbs, 320lbft?. 1lbft/12.3lbs

I'm not sure about TVs power, but a stock 93 HO is rated for 205hp, which is really about 230hp. With his bolt ons, he's probably making about 300, and maybe 320 ftlbs.



HAHAHAHA ... 300?!?! 300?!?!?! The 93 Mustang Cobra only makes 235hp 280tq! Im sorry Tv.. i seriously doubt you make 300hp. You make about 205hp/275tq stock, Granted they're under rated so given the benefit of a doubt lets say 225hp/300tq with your mods 260-270hp 320tq MAX.

BUT! Im not all against you...

I think the Bird will have trouble off the line while waiting for its RPM to raise, but once shes hits about 2600rpm and into that torque curve, its gonna start pulling. After that its gone.

It'll be worth watching thats for sure!

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

A buddy has a 289 65 mustang rated at 260hp and 280 torque, he also weights a hell of alot less. Granted, he isnt the best driver, but when he and I race he takes me off the line, and then I dust him, by the time of about a quarter its roughtly 5 car lengths.


You have to remember that back in '65 they rated hp differently. That 289 was probably only putting 190 or so to the wheels stock.

I mean after he moded it, and with his friend dyno'ing it (hes a lil rich brat).

Those are the numbers it made apparently, not at the wheels though...they calculated it or something.

*shrugs* in anycase, I whooped on it, so he could be lying.

Makes me happy though :D

And stock rating for the HO is

200hp 300torque

change exaust

230 310

Cam and headers

240 315

intake

245 320

ingition to back it up, fuzzy dice to look cool.

So this is what I believe I make

Who knows...untill I have it dyno'd and change my shift points, we wont.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
I mean after he moded it, and with his friend dyno'ing it (hes a lil rich brat).

Those are the numbers it made apparently, not at the wheels though...they calculated it or something.

*shrugs* in anycase, I whooped on it, so he could be lying.

Makes me happy though :D

And stock rating for the HO is

200hp 300torque

change exaust

230 310

Cam and headers

240 315

intake

245 320

ingition to back it up, fuzzy dice to look cool.

So this is what I believe I make

Who knows...untill I have it dyno'd and change my shift points, we wont.




hahahahaha ahaha hahahhhahh ok.. whatever... i'll talk to you in person... hahaha... oh my... ... hahh.. buchi

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

Yes, I propose me and Street_Racer00 take it to Irwandale Speedway and see who runs a faster quarter.

.[/i]]


i didnt see this the first time i read it... but ummm

Irwindale ... Quarter...


Hate to break it to you ...but Irwindale is an 1/8th mile track.

You could still race... but you'll be pulling 9-10 second ETs instead of 14-15 second ETs.

Just dont let it get to your head. :D


Palmdale is a nice 1/4 mile track though!...but its a ways away... theres always street racing with two stop watches?

Originally posted by RedNeck383
theres always street racing with two stop watches?
you might be a redneck if.......:D

Originally posted by RedNeck383



i didnt see this the first time i read it... but ummm

Irwindale ... Quarter...


Hate to break it to you ...but Irwindale is an 1/8th mile track.

You could still race... but you'll be pulling 9-10 second ETs instead of 14-15 second ETs.

Just dont let it get to your head. :D


Palmdale is a nice 1/4 mile track though!...but its a ways away... theres always street racing with two stop watches?

I thought they had a quarter

Well, palmdale...yes...

How far is it? If I had 3.73's or 4.10's I'd kill in the 8th, but my 3.08's would much prefer the quarter.

I figured 300hp sounds around right with a roller cam, good exhaust and the cobra intake. Then I remembered, he's running stock heads :(

You need a set of trick flow twisted wedges man. Damn, those things can flow...

Originally posted by RedNeck383





hahahahaha ahaha hahahhhahh ok.. whatever... i'll talk to you in person... hahaha... oh my... ... hahh.. buchi

*coughcoughcocknotransmitionandenginesittingonasta ndcough*

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity


*coughcoughcocknotransmitionandenginesittingonasta ndnotransmitionandenginesittingonastand*

coughcoughcocknotransmitionandenginesittingonastan dnotransmitionandenginesittingonastand

Freudian slip there TV?

wow, that was quick :flipa:

naw, I just wanted to call him a cock :D

Hes a friend so I can do that

Originally posted by street_racer_00
not THIS weekend. It has to be sometime after I get my new springs and new tires so I don't die.:p

Yeah, same here!

If you want me to even CONSIDER being in on this race, you've got to wait until I solve my high speed vibration problems. I know my tie rods are shot, and those tires I got will pop.

By the way, I voted that we'll all crash into eachother and burst into flames dying a horrable buring death!!!:D

wow every choice is goin up by a interval of 2.

streetrace 5
terminal velocity 7
everyone dies 9

is this some kind of conspiracy that i'm smelling?

I think the speed vibration is :flipa:

isnt there a 1/4 track in fontana???

Originally posted by fatninja19
isnt there a 1/4 track in fontana???
I think they only have a 2 mile oval and a road course.

that could be intresting :D

Can you say "OH MY SHIT WHAT THE HELL IS THAT DRIFTING....wait...no its just a t-nird trying to do a road course"

you're not supposed to tell us that you're betting on him tho are you?

When is this race then? :D

i wanted salvage rights to the maxima altho i probably wouldn't get them anyway and its no use when you live in a different country:rolleyes:

Originally posted by street_racer_00
I think they only have a 2 mile oval and a road course.
I'll beat all on the road course, so lets do that! Hehehe:p

Originally posted by DMC12

I'll beat all on the road course, so lets do that! Hehehe:p
Bring it on, I'm ordering my springs today :D

THE Typical Ricer challenge: yeah well DMC12... when my Vtec kicks in... I'll be out like a LIGHT! YO!...

I'll be all up on you!... All you'll see in YO rear VIEW is my Giant Neon Green [H] YO!.

Like i sayz, when my 'Tec kicks in.. i'll be pullin on you like noo utter.

Werd to your mother in law biotch!

Oh yeah, dont forget my cut springs help me out yo... i got so much toe out i can drive on my side... makes it easier to drive on the freeway when im in traffic.. i bet yo lil Lotus suspension DeLorian cant do that!

Pshh.. dats whut i thought.. best back off befoo you get beat down!

[H] PRIDE!


(sad thing is, somebody gave me an arguement too far from this in school once. )


The Typical Domestic Challenge: Yeah, DMC12 well when my Rambler gets going... i mean if it starts!... it'll catch you like nothing man... my 265 V8 puts out a incredible 160hp. Yeah shes all original.

Aww too bad your DeLorian isnt all orginal... awww its greennn haha... what? so what if you have a twin turbo ... and a nitrous setup.. that means nothing to me, i can haul lumber!

So what if you can take turns at triple the speed i can...I've got so much body roll, i have to wear elbow pads...

ooo you run 255 size tires!!! ooo big maannn got a size complex?? yeah, i run 150 2-bias plys baby... they're sweet in weather of anysort.. even light winds i break loose and spin out... its awesome! too bad you cant do that!

OOO Mr. I have CD/DVD player and surround sound... pssh whatever, i'll take my 8 track that i put in myself.. and my 5" Speaker. yeah, i've got the original Dolby 1 but its really by Kenwood..?

so you run 13s in the quarter? big deal... i run 13's in the quarter too!... oh you run seconds... well i guess thats a little better than hours...

Spsh so, looking at it.. i say i've got the better vehicle ... big deal if you can travel back in time to the 50s... my car is stuck in the 50s!

And now that we have both sides to this race :flipa:

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
And now that we have both sides to this race :flipa:
BOTH sides? Hell, we have the domestic, the import AND the UFO side! :D

USMO


not UFO


(Unidentified Slow Moving Object) :finger:

My prediction: TV - 15.1-15.2 at about 90 mph

Street_Racer_00 - 15.5 at about 86-87 mph

Now hurry up and race already. I wanna know who wins.:D

By the way TV, I saw a new merc. marauder run consistent 15.4's at the track the other night, and supposedly it has about 302 hp (let's say... 260 at the wheels) But your car could be a whole different animal. For all I know you could be well into the 14's, so don't get offended or anything by my guess. After all it is just a guess.

15.5!?!??!?!?!?:cry: :cry: :cry:..................:p

nah i predict that streetracer will hit low 15's. i can almost garantee it. who wants to place bets on it? i know my nissans man.

Your probably right, but I'm just basing my guess on some stats I just looked at that showed a '00 maxima with a manual tranny that ran a 15.2, so I figure since he has an auto, he might be a bit slower. I just noticed streetracer's sig too, so apparently he's not completely stock. I'm still gonna have to say 15.4-15.5 though from what I've seen at the track. Remove your rear seats and passenger seats and you might shave a tenth or so off your time.

My vote goes to the Thunderbird. RWD vs FWD. FWD are much harder to launch, maybe not so much with an ATX, but still tough. Let everyone know the outcome.

Originally posted by MadZ
My prediction: TV - 15.1-15.2 at about 90 mph

Street_Racer_00 - 15.5 at about 86-87 mph

Now hurry up and race already. I wanna know who wins.:D



I think this should be about right, if I run a 15.8 or something dumb like that i'm going to laugh at all those i've beaten with WAY better cars :bandit:

I should run a 15.2, as I see it

The maxima I dont know well enough, but I have beaten them before, stock.

And I wanna race, but we need a track *needs to call and check irwindale*

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity



I think this should be about right, if I run a 15.8 or something dumb like that i'm going to laugh at all those i've beaten with WAY better cars :bandit:

I should run a 15.2, as I see it

The maxima I dont know well enough, but I have beaten them before, stock.

And I wanna race, but we need a track *needs to call and check irwindale*


haha ok, dont believe me? well..... fine i understand.

yeah... im pretty sure its an 1/8th mile... cause it says so in this page http://www.irwindalespeedway.com/dragstrip/site/howto.html

incase you're too lazy to click the link... this is what it says...

"First of all, what is "drag racing"? In the simplest terms, drag racing is a sport where two vehicles compete side-by-side in an acceleration contest. Both drivers race in a straight line from a standing start to a finish line 1/8 mile away. The first to cross the finish line wins the race. Competition is part driver and part machine."


Still need to call?

here's the number
626 358-1100

and their website
http://www.irwindalespeedway.com/index_1024.asp


:D

what if i'm too lazy to read your post?....can you feed me too? that takes time, hell, you can even pump my gas (when peach isnt doing that...she always loves to pump me...wait...nevermind) :D

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
USMO


not UFO


(Unidentified Slow Moving Object) :finger:

Even if I lose I still win because my car is just plain cooler than yours :flipa:

Originally posted by DMC12
Even if I lose I still win because my car is just plain cooler than yours :flipa:
Well, he does have a point there :p

so his car is cooler than yours? :finger:

hahahaha ;)

Sorry all, i may be a dope for saying this, but i have to go with the domestic. It's nothing personal, i just believe that domestics always win over imports.

Even if the domestic is a FORD. :D


Just having fun, no offense!! :cool:

Originally posted by student_anonymous
i just believe that domestics always win over imports
This is true for straight-line dragging. Less stressing about repairs, too. If I mess up my tranny in a drag race, I have to pay like $6,000 to get it fixed. On a Ford, you just go to the junkyard and pay like $200 for another one.

thankyou DMC.

:sun:

...right...ummm, next time were at the junkyard you show me a AODE, E40D or other trannys that could bolt to my car :rolleyes:

On that note, GO FORD!

They may be an insane car maker, but i'm insane, so it works! :D

Well, in the last 2 decades, Ford has made bellhousings to mate V8s to AODs, V6's to C4/C5s, 4cyls to 4R70s... crazy!

I think the code for the 5 speed auto is 5R55... they're using it in the new thunderbird.

I could swear the 5 speed auto for the Aerostar was a 4R55, but thats probably just a glue induced delusion... :confused: