So far, my folder list looks like this -
Road Cars - #001, #002, #003, #004 (Cheers Erik), #005, #006, #007, #008, #009, #010, #011, #012, #013, #014, #015, #016, #017, #018, #020, #021, #022, #023, #024, #025, #028, #029, #031, #033, #036, #037, #038, #039, #040, #042, #043, #044, #045, #046, #047, #048, #051, #052, #053, #055, #059, #060, #061, #062, #063, #064, #065, #067, #068, #069, #070, #071, #072, #073, #074, #075, LM001, LM002, LM003, LM004, XP1LM, XP1, XP2, XP3, XP4, XP5, Clinic Model, #54F1GT, #56XPGT, #58F1GT
Race Cars - #01R, #02R, #03R, #04R, #05R, #06R, #07R, #08R, #09R, #010R, #011R, #012R, #013R, #014R, #015R, #016R, #017R, #018R, #019R, #020R, #021R, #022R, #023R, #024R, #025R, #026R, #027R, #028R

Meaning I am missing pics of #049, #050, #057, #066 and LM005 (last one is in Brunei....:banghead: )
(#019 #026, #027, #030, #032, #034, #035, #041, #054, #056, #058 aren't designated chassis #'s)

Has anyone got pics of the cars i am missing? please

(21.11.08 - updated to include chassis #'s found for me in this forum)

Good question. The only thing I can contribute is that you can see #004 in a video from Top Gear with a tour of the factory.

I don't think you have photos of #010. Other than that, I can't add to your list.

Also some of the photos that have been ID'd here in the past are still unconfirmed - I am thinking specifically of #017, #021, #043, #048, #059, & #060. The cars are more than likely those, but we've been wrong in the past on this stuff.

>8^)
ER

You know... I went to file this image from payso's Pictures (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=630145) thread and it dawned on me that this could very well be the only real shot of chassis #004 in existence.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/ex%20pics/th_a7713ffc-5.jpg (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/ex%20pics/a7713ffc-5.jpg)

The car behind it is the Clinic Model painted yellow. You'll recall that the yellow Clinic Model was seen in Tiff Needel's early review of the F1s for Top Gear where he clearly IDs a red car on the assembly line as "chassis double-0 four". At that time, #004 was just beginning final assembly. Reference these screengrabs I just made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/TopGear_chassis_004a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/TopGear_chassis_004b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/TopGear_chassis_004c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/TopGear_chassis_004d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/TopGear_Clinic_Model.jpg

The red color on #004 looks deeper because it's covered in some kind of protective coating and also because these images were made from a fairly poor quality source. I'm pretty certain that I am on to something though. :naughty:

>8^)
ER

Hello,

I wonder if #004 would be the red car in Monaco that noboby haven't seen :(

LM001, LM002, LM003, XP1LM

Errr, are you sure to have pics of four LM ??

Phil

Errr, are you sure to have pics of four LM ?? Phil

LM001 - Its the black one that Erik found the drawing of - shown here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=507292)
LM002, LM003 and XP1LM are well known here and there are numerous pics floating around the web

I wonder if #004 would be the red car in Monaco that noboby haven't seen :(

The Monaco car could also be #021 - painted Blood Red Solid.

...and for the record, I don't get to take credit for finding that drawing of LM1.

>8^)
ER

I have the clinic model, spare tub, prototypes, and GTRs.

What I'm missing:

54 F1 GT (I guess you can include that picture with the 3 GTs together)

LM1, LM4, LM5

005, 006, 008, 010, 029, 033, 039, 046, 050, 052, 057, 066.

Updated. :)

Here you go BMW Wil/f1

54 F1 GT.

Black with red interior, Pics taken on photo shoot in Scottish highlands for GT brochure.


http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/61/54f1gt1jb1.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=54f1gt1jb1.jpg) http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9193/untitled2iw5.th.png (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2iw5.png)

(2nd pic posted by Payso)

Isn't there a bright red F1 in London owned by a woman?
Would like to see the picture of the spare chassis tub.

I have the clinic model, spare tub, prototypes, and GTRs.

What you have identified as the spare tub is likely not. I suspect it's the seating buck to allow for setting steering and pedal adjustments, fitting the seat and helping the customer in determining the interior treatment options. The pics I am thinking of:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/th_DSC00273.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/DSC00273.jpg) http://www.tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/TN_DSC02860.JPG (http://www.tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02860.JPG)

What I'm missing:

001, 002, 004, 005, 006, 008, 013, 017, 019, 023, 024, 025, 029, 033, 039, 043, 046, 048, 050, 052, 057, 059, 060, 066.

You have at least one shot of #001 - the shot of the first and last F1s from Driving Ambition apparently depicts #001 & #075.

#002 is the grey car with the red door stripe which was seen in the Autocar - McLaren's Road Car book, as well as the Kenwood 1995 Calendar if you have ever seen that.

#013 is the Silver F1 with the red stripe in Japan - a recent development.

#017 was the Christopher Dawes crash F1 - it was burgundy. There's at least one photo of it and a silver F1 together inside a tent that you probably have or one of us can share it.

#023 is the Paul Stewart F1 in silver with the HDF Kit.

#024 was the car spotted at Shelton Ferrari when it belonged to Jim Clark.

#025 is the Dark Purple Pearl F1 of George Harrison. There are a handful of grainy screengrabs from some Beatles movie - I forget the name.

#043 is believe to be that road car from Japan painted in the Ueno colors - Black over Grey.

#048 - Hmmm - I think we have pics of what is believed to be this car taken in Monaco. I'll have to look again.

#052 was presumably seen in some of the screengrabs that Le Man posted a while back. The car was in the air still being assembled.

#059 should be the silver F1 with the HDF Kit that features a unique set of headlights. It wears the "R66 MCL" UK Reg plates.

#060 is likely the yellow F1 seen in the video from ELG Engineering in Japan. There are a few pics in circulation as well.

If you want me to supply any of these shots you don't have, just let me know. :)

>8^)
ER

Here you go BMW Wil/f1

54 F1 GT.

Black with red interior, Pics taken on photo shoot in Scottish highlands for GT brochure.

Are you sure?? Because that shot of the red interior is the only one that has ever left me questioning whether we truly have pictures of 54F1GT. It seems that most of the photos in the F1 GT brocure are of the green GT with the tan interior. It also seems likely, at least in my mind, that the brochure would have been created using the first GT that was completed - and (from memory) I recall that being 56XPGT based on the chassis history chart on the back of the poster included with Driving Ambition.

I'd actually be happy to know that I am wrong, but I'd like to have more confirmation. I wonder if anyone who spent time in Brunei recalls the interior color on the GT that was there. :dunno:

>8^)
ER

Thanks for help guys! Le Man, I was wondering about that picture of 54 GT in the broucher. I find it odd the Sultan would let a pic like that be taken. He seemed to hide all his F1s.

Peloton, are you sure we have no pics of 54 GT? What about the one with the prototype alongisde 54 (I think) and 58 under construction? Thanks for the offer on the pictures. I think I'll wait for F1 monter's site to go up (assuming he'll have pics). :)

Peloton, are you sure we have no pics of 54 GT? What about the one with the prototype alongisde 54 (I think) and 58 under construction?

I can't be positive that there aren't any, it's just what I have always believed. As I said, that GT shot with the red interior is the first one to really leave me questioning whether all the shots in the brochure are of 56XPGT. Much like XP5, the color green they painted 56XPGT is not all that vibrant except under direct sunlight so it often appears black making it difficult to be sure one way or the other on any shot.

You are correct though - this overhead image from the factory does appear to show the 3 F1 GTs, so one of these would have to be 54F1GT - maybe the one on the far end. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/Smilies/dunno.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20B/th_DSC05365.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20B/DSC05365.jpg)

>8^)
ER

You have at least one shot of #001 - the shot of the first and last F1s from Driving Ambition apparently depicts #001 & #075.

Some believe that these two shots taken at the Nice Airport in 1999 could be chassis #001.

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~huizinga/photoscenic.html

The one clue that points to this is that this F1 wears the early style side mirrors borrowed from the Citroen CX.

As a point of reference, Mr Selldorff's chassis #007 wears the updated side mirrors borrowed from the VW Corrado and always has in every photo that I have seen of it. That tells me the running change made to the side mirrors for the F1 must have occurred prior to that point in production.

There were only three silver F1s built before #007 - they are XP3, #001 & #006. We know it's not XP3 because of the marker lights in the front, so that just leaves the other two as possibilites which were both painted Magnesium silver. It's anyone's guess really.

Side note: Chassis' #006 and #010 along with #033 all make up my short list of possible chassis numbers for the F1 that was destroyed by Bernd Pischetsrieder. Looking at photos of the car he wrecked, it had the Corrado mirrors fitted to it. I don't think that really tells us anything for this discussion, but when we do find out which car that was maybe it will help in the debate over these two airport photos.

>8^)
ER

Pretty certain it wasn't 006. Say 90% sure... Can't say why. Sorry.

The spare chassis is almost certainly unpainted so should be easily identified from the seating buck whitch is as is shown in Peloton's pic was Silver, incidently is the seating buck still in existance since production ceased? If not what became of it?

Pretty certain it wasn't 006. Say 90% sure... Can't say why. Sorry.

Yeah - after looking at all the photos of it again I am inclined to believe that it was chassis #033 painted "Base Silver". The color doesn't look much like Magnesium Silver at all, but seems to be a very good match for the original color of chassis #042 and #044 which are both listed as also having been painted "Base Silver". I wouldn't call it case closed, but it seems plausible given the visual evidence.

>8^)
ER

...incidently is the seating buck still in existance since production ceased? If not what became of it?

tvrfreak's photo is the most recent one that I have seen, and it was taken in June 2002. No clue where it ended up, but I'd love to stick it in my living room and use it as the base for a GranTurismo simulator.

>8^)
ER

Hello,

bravo Sherlock Erik :) Very interesting all of your posts !

So, I wonder what F1s we have NO info at all ? And what the reason of f1 show at Nice ?

Phil

...I wouldn't call it case closed, but it seems plausible given the visual evidence...



i have read a german article about it which stated that the car was crashed in mid 1995, it was one of the first 30 build and was insured a short time before the crash, so that makes it a car from 1995 for me...

^_^

You guys, are hard work at times :banghead:

I have and no doubt most of you also have (in driving ambition). A pic of a BLACK (yes black) F1 GT with a tan interior, please explain that car!!

Also check out the standard road car mirrors fitted to the Scottish photo shoot car and also the primer car pics I posted a while ago. It is not fitted with the "caravan over taking mirrors"

One final point, when you are told by somebody who screwed the cars together, that the black car had a red interior. You tend to believe them!!

Erik, did you receive the PDF,s.

Isn't there a bright red F1 in London owned by a woman?
Would like to see the picture of the spare chassis tub.

A woman? driving an F1?!! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!!!!! :lol:

Are you thinking of this? it was in Park lanes showroom......
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2935/pl1fz1ro5.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pl1fz1ro5.jpg)

I have and no doubt most of you also have (in driving ambition). A pic of a BLACK (yes black) F1 GT with a tan interior, please explain that car!!

Ummm, it's green. ;) Just like the countless photos of XP5 that appear black instead of green.

Also check out the standard road car mirrors fitted to the Scottish photo shoot car and also the primer car pics I posted a while ago. It is not fitted with the "caravan over taking mirrors"

I think the mirrors with the wider mount were added to the 56XPGT as an update once they realized that the standard mirrors were ineffective.

One final point, when you are told by somebody who screwed the cars together, that the black car had a red interior. You tend to believe them!!

Well that's interesting info. Like I said - that red interior leaves me questioning it as all the pics that can be confirmed as 56XPGT clearly show a tan interior.

>8^)
ER


BTW: I'll have a PM your way shortly.

Hey Erik, DA page 269 "Even McLaren are colour blind" :rofl:

Hey,

in the GT brochure i was looking in, it firstly showed a full page picture of tan interior in the gt (which im am guessing it is the 56xpgt as that is the only car shown in the brochure), then looking closely at the 56xpgt in a picture on the last page, it faintly shows through the window on the gt, a sign of red interior (clearly not tan). I thought about taking pictures but it may not show up the red interior??

anyway hope that helps lol

brad

Hey,

in the GT brochure i was looking in, it firstly showed a full page picture of tan interior in the gt (which im am guessing it is the 56xpgt as that is the only car shown in the brochure), then looking closely at the 56xpgt in a picture on the last page, it faintly shows through the window on the gt, a sign of red interior (clearly not tan). I thought about taking pictures but it may not show up the red interior??

anyway hope that helps lol

brad

you'll never know until you try.....:p

Hey Erik, DA page 269 "Even McLaren are colour blind" :rofl:

I have to admit that I never really noticed that specific portion of the caption, but they simply have to be wrong. As I mentioned in my PM, it wouldn't be the first time an inaccuracy in "Driving Ambition" has been noted by us.

= = = = = =

Going back a bit:

Some believe that these two shots taken at the Nice Airport in 1999 could be chassis #001.

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~huizinga/photoscenic.html

The one clue that points to this is that this F1 wears the early style side mirrors borrowed from the Citroen CX

There's actually one more clue - both cars wear the same front license plate mounting bracket:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/th_firstandlast_L.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/firstandlast_L.jpg)

>8^)
ER

in the GT brochure i was looking in, it firstly showed a full page picture of tan interior in the gt (which im am guessing it is the 56xpgt as that is the only car shown in the brochure), then looking closely at the 56xpgt in a picture on the last page, it faintly shows through the window on the gt, a sign of red interior (clearly not tan). I thought about taking pictures but it may not show up the red interior??

anyway hope that helps lol

I dug out my own F1 GT brochure, which I must admit I have never really looked at all that closely, and I have now come to the conclusion that the interior in the green F1 GT must have originally been red in color. Crazy, I know... :naughty:

There are quite a few images in the brochure that clearly look green to me, and I have to imagine that only one car was used for Curwood's photoshoot that day.

These two images in particular are what have changed my thinking on 56XPGT. In the first one, it's quite clear the car is green and the interior is red. In the second one, there is just a small spot of red that can be seen through the side window, but again this car is clearly not black.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/DSC09319.jpg
If only we could read that chassis plate...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/DSC09321.jpg

This leads me to believe that the 56XPGT's interior must have been given a refit sometime very early in it's life. Maybe like the Brazilian Brown F1, the original choice was simply unappealing once the car was completed and a change was made swiftly to correct this.

>8^)
ER

Very interesting again :)

so, what chassis we have No information at all ??

Phil

Well I have always believed that the GT brochure was made using photos of 56XPGT, and only 56XPGT. It was completed long before the other two GTs were built (the chassis history chart shows 8 road cars were built inbetween) and is the only one they claim was painted green.

>8^)
ER

We have touched on this Black?/red interior F1GT before in this thread!

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=540568&page=2&highlight=ebay

Perhaps the Sultan will send us a pic of his black F1GT interior and solve the conundrum! :smokin:

Erik, You may be right, on your refit theory. Great scans btw :thumbsup:

We have touched on this Black?/red interior F1GT before in this thread!

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=540568&page=2&highlight=ebay

Well what do you know - I had totally forgotten about that discussion. :screwy: :banghead:

Perhaps the Sultan will send us a pic of his black F1GT interior and solve the conundrum! :smokin:

Don't bet on it... :rofl:

>8^)
ER

Apologies for what may seem like beating a dead horse, but I was just looking through "Driving Ambition" again and wanted to note the caption included on page #241 here which validates my claim that the brochure photos feature 56XPGT.

"Lord of the Isles: McLaren's 'stretch limo' long-tailed GT Model permitted extended body overhangs to be homologated for the '97 season's racing F1 GTR. Colin Curwood conducted a full photo shoot on the prototype in the wintry western highlands of Scotland."

>8^)
ER

sorry, just wanted to point out, when business's make brochures about car they show it off in different interiors? like in the brochure they showed it in red and tan?? but i dont know for sure, thats just what most business's do when making a car brochure

Brad

i have read a german article about it which stated that the car was crashed in mid 1995, it was one of the first 30 build and was insured a short time before the crash, so that makes it a car from 1995 for me...

^_^

Thanks for that information.

I finally took a look at the chassis history poster included with "Driving Ambition" and chassis #033 is shown as the 26th F1 built (counting production cars only) or it was exactly the 30th built if you include the first four F1 GTRs. Suffice to say, I'm becoming fairly confident the car he wrecked was #033 and I'll be marking my folder of those images as "probably #033" until proven otherwise.

Maybe now that Mr Pischetsrieder has some free time again, I can get in contact with him and find out what he recalls. Anyone have his email address? :uhoh:

>8^)
ER

I leave for a few days and a thread about which F1 pics we have turns into an F1 GT interior timeline. :lol:

Do you still need some of the pics you were missing? I can prob link you to a lot of them hiding in the forum already, so it's no trouble. :)

>8^)
ER

BMW boss Pischetsrieder wrote off an F1, on the 31st of May 95, if thats any help!!

Hi Greg, would you like some pics of #033 base silver!!

I have what appears to be this car on vhs tape, it comes from the channel 4 tv program, "With out walls" Auto erotic - supercars. Aired in March 95. So the cars shown, are very early 95 production.

The car is shown complete in the factory,the only significant feature, drivers seat with a grey centre insert. Similar in appearance to the "oracle" reg no car (pics in hanger) Also with a shot of a white front panel behind (pos from #031) followed by a magnesium silver car.

If I have time, I shall sort some pics out this weekend.

Hi Greg, would you like some pics of #033 base silver!!

I have what appears to be this car on vhs tape, it comes from the channel 4 tv program, "With out walls" Auto erotic - supercars. Aired in March 95. So the cars shown, are very early 95 production.

The car is shown complete in the factory,the only significant feature, drivers seat with a grey centre insert. Similar in appearance to the "oracle" reg no car (pics in hanger) Also with a shot of a white front panel behind (pos from #031) followed by a magnesium silver car.

If I have time, I shall sort some pics out this weekend.

those would be a great addition, cheers!!!

Hi Greg, would you like some pics of #033 base silver!!

I have what appears to be this car on vhs tape, it comes from the channel 4 tv program, "With out walls" Auto erotic - supercars. Aired in March 95. So the cars shown, are very early 95 production.

The car is shown complete in the factory,the only significant feature, drivers seat with a grey centre insert. Similar in appearance to the "oracle" reg no car (pics in hanger) Also with a shot of a white front panel behind (pos from #031) followed by a magnesium silver car.

If I have time, I shall sort some pics out this weekend.

:eek: YES PLEASE!!!

:eek: YES PLEASE!!!

Here you go Greg, Sorry for delay!!

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9161/pdvd003zy9.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd003zy9.jpg) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6371/pdvd005va0.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd005va0.jpg) http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6318/pdvd008je0.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd008je0.jpg)
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4315/pdvd010nq2.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd010nq2.jpg) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7087/pdvd014rg4.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd014rg4.jpg) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5599/pdvd015gv8.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd015gv8.jpg)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/415/pdvd017ow6.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd017ow6.jpg) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8281/pdvd022qc6.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd022qc6.jpg) http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8417/pdvd024tp7.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd024tp7.jpg)

I shall let Erik confirm the chassis # of the F1,s in the vid clips....:naughty:

(once open, click again)

Please enjoy!!

(I shall get the exact date this program was aired!!)

TV Transmission

WITHOUT WALLS: AUTO EROTIC PART ONE The SPORTS CAR

Transmission date 07/03/1995Country Great BritainSeries/Slot Start time 21:00Stop time 21:30Duration 30 mins. Company Channel

Here you go Greg, Sorry for delay!!

Please enjoy!!

(I shall get the exact date this program was aired!!)
Cheers! :thumbsup: What makes you think its #033?

Cheers! :thumbsup: What makes you think its #033?

Check the transmission date, then check the factory biuld schedule. I may be wrong!!..... but also look at the other cars/parts in pics. Also the 95 GTR wind tunnel model on the bench in the background. No silver cars were made late in 94!.

Check the transmission date, then check the factory biuld schedule. I may be wrong!!..... but also look at the other cars/parts in pics. Also the 95 GTR wind tunnel model on the bench in the background. No silver cars were made late in 94!.

Seems good enough proof for me, unless others can state otherwise, these are now filed as #033
Cheers SuperSleuth! :thumbsup:

I can't say it's not #033 with any certainty, buy check this shot of #037's interior. It's the only decent one that I have but looks quite similar to what is in those screengrabs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/CIMG0446e.jpg

>8^)
ER

here's another of #037 from a different angle
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2915/037interiorrc4.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=037interiorrc4.jpg)
Still inconclusive though

Right, i'm off hunting for more piccies :p

That's chassis #009 in Australia my good man. :)

From here: New 009 pics (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=400724)

>8^)
ER

The car in Martins pics seems to have a solid coloured dash area. 037's is light grey with black:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/3065176c.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/3065176d.jpg

If it helps, 037 was delievered summer 1995 with the triple grey combo

Damn all these silver cars!! :banghead: :lol2:

Anyway - if my latest theory on the one that Bernd Pischetblahblahblah destroyed is accurate and it was chassis #033, then it too had a dash finished similar to the one in chassis #037.

>8^)
ER

These pics may be of help, just ran the dvd again and I cannot pic out any grey on the passenger seat squabs!!

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6100/pdvd001kg4.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd001kg4.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4963/pdvd002tz2.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd002tz2.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4963/pdvd002tz2.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd002tz2.jpg) http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5864/pdvd003vu8.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd003vu8.jpg)

One other thing, the silver does not seems to sparkle under the lights, base silver is a common pallet base on most paint mixing schemes. I am not trying to prove you wrong Erik, just trying to help out!!

So for now its #033

That's chassis #009 in Australia my good man. :)

From here: New 009 pics (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=400724)

>8^)
ER

The shot has been in my unassigned folder for a while - the match is close so i thought i'd found another pic to help the identification. Oh well, off searching i go again!...

I am not trying to prove you wrong Erik...

You are too, ya big meany. :p :grinyes:

Anyway, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong either, just suggesting a different possibility. :)

If we agree that these screengrabs by all likelyhoods are of chassis #033, then that could be #037 on the line behind it, with chassis #031 off in the corner of this shot:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6318/pdvd008je0.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd008je0.jpg)

>8^)
ER

Damn all these silver cars!! :banghead: :lol2:

Anyway - if my latest theory on the one that Bernd Pischetblahblahblah destroyed is accurate and it was chassis #033, then it too had a dash finished similar to the one in chassis #037.

>8^)
ER

Which chassis# was the other wrecked F1 in Germany on the same day as Bernd Pischetsrieder,s accident. As I have possible pics of that car complete (not a scratch on it!!) on vhs. The one with the all red interior, including a fully trimmed red gear lever.

Great question. I assume you are referring to the munched F1 seen in Driving Ambition that shows just how useful the exhaust silencer was in absorbing rear crash forces? If so, photos of that car would be unique for sure, but I don't think it is known what chassis number that is. One would assume that it too would have to be #006 or #010 or #033 using the same logic applied to the Pischetsrieder car.

>8^)
ER

If I get time tomorrow, I,ll sort out some pics for you.

Here you go Erik,

Vid clips from Carlton tv program (for discovery channel) "Speed Merchants". A really good 45 minute program showing a well documented behinds the scene,s insight to the Harrods GTR,s first race at the Jarama circuit 95 BPR race.
These clips are from the beginning with the late Creighton Brown, showing viewers some interesting features on the F1.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2237/pdvd054la8.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd054la8.jpg) http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3246/pdvd063ab1.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd063ab1.jpg) http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7853/pdvd070rw6.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd070rw6.jpg)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8674/pdvd071si3.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd071si3.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/84/pdvd086jb3.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd086jb3.jpg) http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1742/pdvd091ez7.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd091ez7.jpg)
...............................Check the all red gear lever!!......................

If it is the car in DA that has severe accident damage. It is probably not in this paint/trim spec anymore!!

I shall let you guys work out its chassis#. (I have not got a clue :evillol: )

Please enjoy.

Please enjoy.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Bravo leman !

Do you know if it's possible to share this program please ?

Phil

Bravo leman !

Do you know if it's possible to share this program please ?

Phil

Most certainly Phil, I shall send you an email later, Thanks.
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Many thanks Greg, You should have a pic of 005 + 006 in build, if not I shall post it for you!!
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So no one wants to speculate on the chassis#!!! :uhoh:

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Many thanks Greg, You should have a pic of 005 + 006 in build, if not I shall post it for you!!
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I'll have a looksee when i get in from work, i'll let you know
So no one wants to speculate on the chassis#!!! :uhoh:

I'll go with #033; The dates fit in (1995) and we have yet to see a decent verified interior shot of #033 -would be nice to see the whole red interior - very PIMP :wink:

Le Man I don't have pics of #005 and #006 in build - would you post them up?...:wink:

Le Man I don't have pics of #005 and #006 in build - would you post them up?...:wink:

Here you go Greg,

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/932/4534622meo6.th.png (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4534622meo6.png)

Red car 004 (rear wing, just in pic) 005 Black, 006 Silver. Then again I could be colour blind!! :smokin: This pic was first published in Performance car mag.

The red interior car is not #033 Greg, Try again. Erik must know, I am sure its closer to him, than to us.

Red car 004 (rear wing, just in pic) 005 Black, 006 Silver. Then again I could be colour blind!! :smokin: This pic was first published in Performance car mag.
Nope, didnt have that one - cheers:)
The red interior car is not #033 Greg, Try again. Erik must know, I am sure its closer to him, than to us.
I thought about this after my previous post - it looks like in your pics of #033 that the interior isnt red at all,so i may ahve to do some more searching...

I take it you have an inkling but need confirmation? :)

ok, lets do some refining -
Its a 1995 car, making the chassis numbers to be #031 through to #046.
Of these, chassis #033, #037, #038, #040, #042, #044 and #045 could be in the frame due to the cars exterior colouring -
#033 you have discounted (as have i now)
#037 it isn't due to the dashboard colouring
#038 - this is before Dan Kennedy got his grubby mits on it and its not red inside -
http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/5536/mclarenf104bdc6.th.jpg (http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf104bdc6.jpg)
#040 it's not as it has high mirrors and wasn't red inside (dodgy picture, sorry.........) -
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2804/040silver6vd3.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=040silver6vd3.jpg)
#042 isn't red inside -
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1457/042carlbeal7mw2.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=042carlbeal7mw2.jpg)
#044 isn't red either (well, the gear knob isn't) -
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4381/04417nf1.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04417nf1.jpg)
#045 seems to dark a colour on the outside to be considered -
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8225/045xn0.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=045xn0.jpg)
and again doesn't have a red interior -
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1677/04533lf2.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04533lf2.jpg)
unless its the famed car, chassis #039, Creighton Brown and he's showing off his own car?.....
Am I getting hotter / colder to your guess?

If the red interior car which is shown crashed in DA, Is the same one pictured in the vid clips I posted, It makes it an early 95 car at least before the weekend of 31st of may 95, If thats any help.

What was with the story about an owner in Germany, crashing and writing off his car with very few kms on the clock, whilst racing a friend in a 911. Then going back to the factory and ordering a new F1. His old car must have been repaired!!...... Then sold on. (In perfect condition, I must add!!)

#038 - this is before Dan Kennedy got his grubby mits on it and its not red inside -
http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/5536/mclarenf104bdc6.th.jpg (http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf104bdc6.jpg)

Sorry Greg - That's most certainly not #038. With 99% certainty, that is chassis #070. Maybe you meant to post something else, but I don't believe I have seen any photos that can conclusively be identified as chassis #038 before Dan purchased it and had it refitted.

I have no idea on the red interiored car other than to suggest once again that the silver cars we haven't found are #006, #010, and #033. All the other road cars built up to chassis #039 (save #029) are accounted for in my book.

>8^)
ER

All the other road cars built up to chassis #039 (save #029) are accounted for in my book.
>8^)
ER
Do you have pics of #039? This car is one of my holy grails......:lol:

Hello,

interesting and difficult this puzzle.
so, three questions come in my mind :
1) which is the first F1 refitted and when ?
2) which is the first F1 to recieve HDF on a refit ?
3) Do F1s go out on HDF brand new ?

Thanks to answer please :)

Phil

Sorry Greg - That's most certainly not #038. With 99% certainty, that is chassis #070. Maybe you meant to post something else, but I don't believe I have seen any photos that can conclusively be identified as chassis #038 before Dan purchased it and had it refitted.>8^)
ER
Nah, my mistake - that is what I wanted posted, but i didn't look into it enough to see the other cars in the shot and should've realised it wasnt #038 - I was on my own with Thomas last night and he was crying as i was teaching him about the F1 and downloading the picture at the same time (teach them at an early age ! say!! :) ...

Do you have pics of #039? This car is one of my holy grails......:lol:

Erik, Do you have pics of #038 in its original base silver as well??

Sorry Greg - no shots of chassis #039 or chassis #029 for that matter.

Erik, Do you have pics of #038 in its original base silver as well??

As stated earlier, I don't believe I have seen any photos that can conclusively be identified as chassis #038 before Dan purchased it and had it refitted.

>8^)
ER

Hello,

interesting and difficult this puzzle.
so, three questions come in my mind :
1) which is the first F1 refitted and when ?
2) which is the first F1 to recieve HDF on a refit ?
3) Do F1s go out on HDF brand new ?

Thanks to answer please :)

Phil

I'll do my best... :)

1) This one is easy - XP4 would have received the earliest refit so far as I can tell. I don't know exactly when it went from being a subdued grey/green to the bright electric blue, but it must have happened early on in the process - sometime between July 1993 when it was seen at the Coys Historic Festival and whenever AutoCar Magazine got their hands on it for the May 11th 1994 article.

For production cars I wouldn't really have an answer I could base on anything conclusive.


2) Chassis #011 could have been the first - the Christies auction info for #011 claimed the 'High Downforce Package' was added to that car in 1998. Chassis #023 is another possibility as it was apparently resprayed silver in 1997, but 'was sent back later for the Downforce Package to be added' before it's second owner sold it in 1999.

Unfortunately I'm not certain when chassis #020 or the silver F1 assumed to be #059 received their HDF Kits in relation, but either of those could have possibly occurred sooner than both F1s listed previously. If we could get some dates from your friend Phillipe for when some of his #059 shots were taken that might help figure it in or out of the equation.

The other HDF cars I know of (minus one, which I'll get to in a second) - #069, #073, and #018 - should have occurred later based on what I know of their histories.


3) The only HDF kitted F1 I know of that may not have been done on a refit is chassis #072. All the other HDF kitted F1s I am aware of started life as standard road cars. Unlike the other late chassis numbers, I don't have any evidence of #072 showing it without the kit. I can't guarantee it was built that way, but it does still have the original paint color which is what leads me to believe it could be original with the HDF Kit. I could of course be wrong about that though.

Interesting questions. :)

>8^)
ER

Interesting questions. :)
>8^)
ER
...and interesting answers!....

Waouh Erik !

Thank you to clarify these points ;) I love this type of discussion but my english is not as good to continue this discussion in details. You don't want to use msn messenger :(

I am glad you remember it's Philippe who took #059 pics because some persons forget the origin of some cool pics.

Phil

Do you have pics of #039? This car is one of my holy grails......:lol:

There is a quick clip of the colour (Creighton Brown) of #039 in build, on McLarens the "Pursuit to perfection" video/dvd. Also what appears to be GTR 09R in primer as well!! Followed by a silver chassis. (Pos #042)

I hope this of help, in your quest to find pics of all F1,s Greg.

There is a quick clip of the colour (Creighton Brown) of #039 in build, on McLarens the "Pursuit to perfection" video/dvd. Also what appears to be GTR 09R in primer as well!! Followed by a silver chassis. (Pos #042)

I hope this of help, in your quest to find pics of all F1,s Greg.

:useless: (:wink:)

Cheers :thumbsup: Le Man - my next question would be - does anyone have a link to the video/dvd as mentioned by Le Man, and if so can they do screen shots of the above? (Go on, its nearly Christmas.....:p)

:useless: (:wink:)

Cheers :thumbsup: Le Man - my next question would be - does anyone have a link to the video/dvd as mentioned by Le Man, and if so can they do screen shots of the above? (Go on, its nearly Christmas.....:p)

If I have time over the weekend, I shall post them for you. I only have it on vhs at the moment!!

If I have time over the weekend, I shall post them for you. I only have it on vhs at the moment!!

If you can do that for me, not only will i owe you a :popcorn: but also a : pint : (damn, no smilie for a pint :))

I was looking back through my files tonight and decided I would check out to whether this F1 was still registered in the UK -
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2831/017yi3.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=017yi3.jpg)
that we have as chassis #017, the 16th car finished.
The DVLA state -
The vehicle details for M970 GGP are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2000
Date of First Registration 29 09 1994
Year of Manufacture 1994
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 6064CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour RED

So it's unlicensed at the moment, which I can only imagine to mean either it's had a number plate change (to a personal plate) or is stashed away by one of those 'investment buyers' we all love :banghead:

Does anyone have any other info? like other pictures, recent sightings etc?

017 (the burgundy car) was written off and it didn't wear just that plate

017 (the burgundy car) was written off and it didn't wear just that plate

So Dawes obliterated this car yet owned #071?

I think we have finally determined that Dawes had no connection to #071 afterall. I got that info ages ago through someone on SC.net who claimed that the guy pictured in DA with #071 was Dawes. I have since seen images of Mr Dawes and the two men didn't even look similar.

>8^)
ER

I think we have finally determined that Dawes had no connection to #071 afterall. I got that info ages ago through someone on SC.net who claimed that the guy pictured in DA with #071 was Dawes. I have since seen images of Mr Dawes and the two men didn't even look similar.

>8^)
ER
Good enough for me, I've now re-named the file for the future. Cheers. :thumbsup:

Here you go Greg, A late Xmas present. I hope they are of some help.

I may be wrong on this, but here goes!!

The road car the technician is bolting the floor panel to is probably #039 (Creighton Brown) looks a strange shade of brown with a strong tint of violet. This is followed by a GTR, pos 09R. If this was 08R, the road car preceding it, would be pale blue metallic #036. Also it should have a blue alcantara dash fitted to it.(I can get more info on this!!) It is certainly not 06R or 07R as they went through their build in race colours, which I have on dvd. This is then followed by what looks like a silver road car #042, which has a light coloured headlining fitted to it(?). The GTR has a build no the top of the car, pos 026 or 036, McLaren must of had a strange internal build number sequence, as I also have a pic of 071 in silver?? well out of sequence in build.(Eurosport factory visit,96)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/155/pdvd000gs1.th.png (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd000gs1.png) http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8282/pdvd004fr0.th.png (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd004fr0.png) http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6223/pdvd005nb1.th.png (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd005nb1.png)
Pos....#039+09R.........#039...................... ...#039.......................

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2540/pdvd063rg0.th.png (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd063rg0.png) http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3977/pdvd070wu1.th.png (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd070wu1.png) http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4120/pdvd071wo1.th.png (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd071wo1.png)
Pos....09R+#042.........09R+#042.................. 09R.........................

Also some unique pics of 01R. Pre LeMan 95, Silverstone test in its sinister looking graphite/grey colours with no graphics.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7129/pdvd093dl0.th.png (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd093dl0.png) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3442/pdvd094yi4.th.png (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd094yi4.png) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3020/pdvd095hj9.th.png (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd095hj9.png)

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7605/pdvd096au3.th.png (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd096au3.png) http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5600/pdvd097nn2.th.png (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd097nn2.png) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5553/pdvd101ll7.th.png (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd101ll7.png)

Deleated duplicated post!!

....and a Merry Christmas to you too Le Man!!! :cheers:

The pics of #01R are fan-bloody-tastic - it looks so mean without the graphics :)

Re the build pics: Can you do me a favour - it may be the mulled wine - can you put the chassis #'s in order as they appear in the pictures left to right 1st row then the same for the 2nd row? Just so it stops any confusion on my part.

Dawes never took delivery of his F1.... ;)

....and a Merry Christmas to you too Le Man!!! :cheers:

The pics of #01R are fan-bloody-tastic - it looks so mean without the graphics :)

Re the build pics: Can you do me a favour - it may be the mulled wine - can you put the chassis #'s in order as they appear in the pictures left to right 1st row then the same for the 2nd row? Just so it stops any confusion on my part.

Hi Greg, Merry Xmas to you and your family:cheers:

Possible!! chassis# in order of view.(as edit)

Will sort you a copy of this DVD, early in new year.

Regards Le Man.

Dawes never took delivery of his F1.... ;)
You know something we don't!! Go on, its Christmas, let us in on the knowledge you have (you know you want to :wink:)
Possible!! chassis# in order of view.(as edit)
I know I keep saying it, but :cheers: again, that makes it alot clearer for me
Will sort you a copy of this DVD, early in new year.

That, my friend, would be gratefully accepted :worshippy

I had noticed a while back that in the second segment of "The Car's the Star" hosted by Quentin Wilson that there seemed to be a few moments where chassis #017, the Dawes crash car, was pictured. Today I made three thumbnails from it - nothing spectacular really, but figured it was worth sharing since other images of this car are so rare.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_TCTS_ss1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/TCTS_ss1.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_TCTS_ss2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/TCTS_ss2.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_TCTS_ss3.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/TCTS_ss3.jpg)

Watching it even more closely, I think at the 4:23 mark during Part 2 the camera captures the only shot there is of #023 when it was British Racing Green. I tried making a screenshot of that, but you have to turn off all the hardware acceleration in WM Player in order to do so and that takes away just about all the color detail in the process. :(

There are some other cars pictured in build or being serviced as well, but not enough detail is available to bother trying to figure out which ones they might be.

>8^)
ER

I have pics of Cliff's old car and The yellow one that SVAG used to have and I might have one somewhere of the Black one that was at the Black Hawk Museum a few years back since those are the 3 I have seen in person

We'd love to see them, but especially the pics of #072 from the Blackhawk. :)

>8^)
ER

We'd love to see them, but especially the pics of #072 from the Blackhawk. :)

>8^)
ER

eric

i sent you most of my pics of the 2 cars as for the black hawk pics if i find them since it was in the days of 35mm not digital i will let you know

Here's F1FREAKZILLA's pictures of #028 and #014.

Inside Cliff's garage:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars053.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars053.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars054.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars054.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars056.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars056.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars057.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars057.jpg)

SVAG:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars034.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars034.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars035.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars035.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars036.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars036.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars037.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars037.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars040.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars040.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_ExoticCars041.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/ExoticCars041.jpg)

FREAK - if you can find those Blackhawk shots, I'll be glad to host them for everyone. Shots of chassis #072 are quite rare indeed.

= = = = = =

While I am here - some very kind person passed along this hires version of Mr Bean's F1 along with a pair of shots of #040 in transit shot with a camera phone. :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_bean.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/bean.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_F1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/F1.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_F1_2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/F1_2.jpg)

Rare shots of the beast captured in the wild. :naughty:

>8^)
ER

I had noticed a while back that in the second segment of "The Car's the Star" hosted by Quentin Wilson that there seemed to be a few moments where chassis #017, the Dawes crash car, was pictured. Today I made three thumbnails from it - nothing spectacular really, but figured it was worth sharing since other images of this car are so rare.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_TCTS_ss1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/TCTS_ss1.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_TCTS_ss2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/TCTS_ss2.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_TCTS_ss3.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/TCTS_ss3.jpg)

Watching it even more closely, I think at the 4:23 mark during Part 2 the camera captures the only shot there is of #023 when it was British Racing Green. I tried making a screenshot of that, but you have to turn off all the hardware acceleration in WM Player in order to do so and that takes away just about all the color detail in the process. :(

There are some other cars pictured in build or being serviced as well, but not enough detail is available to bother trying to figure out which ones they might be.

>8^)
ER

Have you tried using Media Player Classic? That's what I use to take screenshots and it plays a wide variety of file types. All you have to do is pause the video. File -> Save Image. :)

Btw, thanks for the pics!

Guess I will have to try that. Someone else suggested the BSplayer, but if you try that I suggest downloading an older version than is available on their website, as the newer ones are packaged with adware. :disappoin

Anyway, I was able to make an improved version of that first pic so the LM doesn't look pink anymore. :grinno:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_TCTS_ss1b.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/TCTS_ss1b.jpg)

>8^)
ER

LOVE those #040 shots in the wild

....Anyway, I was able to make an improved version of that first pic so the LM doesn't look pink anymore. :grinno: ........>8^)
ER
its still pink! try this :)

http://i3.tinypic.com/35c1uuv.jpg

eric--if i can find them i will gladly send you copies of them since i did not have a digital camera back then

LOVE those #040 shots in the wild

Like them EVEN MORE now. :naughty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_McLaren_F1_M3mtrwy28thNov06_1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/McLaren_F1_M3mtrwy28thNov06_1.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_McLaren_F1_M3mtrwy28thNov06_2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/McLaren_F1_M3mtrwy28thNov06_2.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_McLaren_F1_M3mtrwy28thNov06_3.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/McLaren_F1_M3mtrwy28thNov06_3.jpg)

Apparently taken with a point-and-shoot instead of the camera phone previously mentioned.

>8^)
ER

Great shots :thumbsup: to the photogtapher

in the -pic with the LM,F1,GT who owns those cars as far as i know only the guy in japan has every version made of the F1 including the race car

in the -pic with the LM,F1,GT who owns those cars

That shot was taken inside the McLaren factory - the GT and LM belong to McLaren.

It's not entirely clear who owned chassis #017, though I suspect it may have been David Morrison. As mentioned in the text above, #017 was the car crashed and destroyed by Christopher Dawes and unfortunately him and his two passengers lost their lives in the process. It's been discussed at length on the forum, but all the details are still not known.

as far as i know only the guy in japan has every version made of the F1 including the race car

The guy in Japan may be down to just the LM now. The road car and GTR he had have been sold, and his GT is currently MIA and has been for quite a while. Brunei had one of every type as well, and probably still do.

>8^)
ER

as for the GT there was a maroon,dark green and black one
or am i mistaken--i was not sure but i have heard/seen pics of only
3

That's correct. Breakdown of the chassis for clarity:

56XPGT - Silverstone Green (prototype) - McLaren Cars

54F1GT - Black + 10% flake - Brunei Royal Family

58F1GT - Dark Burgundy - Yoshio Tsuzuki - Japan

There are rumors of the Brunei car being in the UK now, but no solid evidence to call it fact.

No word on the burgundy car other than it has not been seen in photos from the ZAZ Museum in quite some time.

Even the green GT has not been seen recently - one would assume that McLaren still have it, but it's not been displayed at the MTC like XP5, XP1 LM or GTR #01R have.

>8^)
ER

ER thanks for the heads up on the GTs

hurstg01, do you have any pics of 005, 006, 033, 039, and 052 that you don't mind sharing? Those are the ones I don't have. :)

hurstg01, do you have any pics of 005, 006, 033, 039, and 052 that you don't mind sharing? Those are the ones I don't have. :)
Sure, I dont mind sharing any of my pics -
#005 (the car at the front) courtesy of Le Man
http://img28.imagevenue.com/loc274/th_91891_005_main_car_122_274lo.JPG (http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91891_005_main_car_122_274lo.JPG)
#006 (the car behind) again courtesy of Le man
http://img124.imagevenue.com/loc272/th_91896_006_car_behind_122_272lo.JPG (http://img124.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91896_006_car_behind_122_272lo.JPG)
believed to be #033, no true confirmation yet though (Le Man again)
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc70/th_91903_pdvd002tz2_122_70lo.jpg (http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91903_pdvd002tz2_122_70lo.jpg)
believed to be #039 (courtesy of Erik's friend off Fchat)
http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc28/th_91908_mclarenculiacanfront_122_28lo.jpg (http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91908_mclarenculiacanfront_122_28lo. jpg)
believed to be chassis #052 (Le Man again)
http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc260/th_91913_f9666pf_122_260lo.jpg (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91913_f9666pf_122_260lo.jpg)

Awesome! Many thanks hurst! :)

wow 039 is awesome!!!

British plates in America???

wow 039 is awesome!!!

British plates in America???

Yep, strange that, its also the same plate as of #06R -
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4106/img8790zz6.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img8790zz6.jpg)
debated here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=665610)

Chassis #50 (pos whereabouts)

Just reading an article from Autocar 22nd Nov 95. Read this interesting paragraph.

QUOTE. "Yet production of the F1 is currently running at one a month - chassis number 50, Dennis,s personal machine, was recently completed. Put simply, it has not earned its keep"

Interesting!

#013 is the Silver F1 with the red stripe in Japan - a recent development.
...
ER

Are you sure, this car had a red stripe? I know, where #013 currently is located. But there is no red stripe on it. Only the driver-seat has a red pad.
I have up to date pictures of it too.
May I see a picture of your #013 ?

Are you sure, this car had a red stripe? I know, where #013 currently is located. But there is no red stripe on it. Only the driver-seat has a red pad.
I have up to date pictures of it too.
May I see a picture of your #013 ?It was for sale recently until Sold at AutoSalon as per countachal's thread here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=734143) and when I took photo's of it when I went down to Carrs of Exeter with countachal the red stripe was still there, as were the BingoSport stickers, who previously sold the car to Carrs (until the salesman there and then took it off!). The Salesman said his MD was thinking of removing the stripe but I said 'No, it's what makes if different from the other Silver F1's'. See my story here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=734143) and pics here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4732025&postcount=43)

Two more chassis to identify? Hope these pics are not a repost, I,d like to see more of these from Goodwood 95.

No, not the easy ones in the foreground.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6180/o1rkv6.th.png (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o1rkv6.png) Red chassis on right.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9229/xp5qt8.th.png (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xp5qt8.png) Dark red chassis with F1 Mclaren sun strip.

(Pic credits to woop.tv)

Two more chassis to identify? Hope these pics are not a repost, I,d like to see more of these from Goodwood 95.

No, not the easy ones in the foreground.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6180/o1rkv6.th.png (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o1rkv6.png) Red chassis on right.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9229/xp5qt8.th.png (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xp5qt8.png) Dark red chassis with F1 Mclaren sun strip.

(Pic credits to woop.tv)
Good find :thumbsup:
Ok, first pic - seeing as its after Le mans in 1995, the red F1 could either be #004, #021 or #028. I reckon #021 or #028, purely because at that time they were the newer of the red F1's. I'll stick my neck out and say #021, only because (we believe) it was also seen at the Park Lane showroom, showing the Mclaren wanted to show it off.

2nd pic - I will look in more detail tonight

My vote on the dark red car is #017. There's one other shot of it next to LM3 in the darkened garage where it can be seen with the windshield banner.

>8^)
ER

^^ Erik, my 4 pics of #017 don't show a windscreen banner, that's why I discounted it. Can you share your pic?

EDIT - or did you mean this one? I didn't think this was #017 and I can't make out the windscreen banner if it is
http://img126.imagevenue.com/loc1175/th_07912_f1lm13_122_1175lo.jpg (http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07912_f1lm13_122_1175lo.jpg)

That's the photo I was referring to. If you play with the brightness levels you can see the windshield banner a bit better.

I don't think Chris Dawes was the original owner of #017. I suspect that David Morrison may have been, hence the reason those two cars are pictured together.

>8^)
ER

That's the photo I was referring to. If you play with the brightness levels you can see the windshield banner a bit better.
It still looks like the sun visor is down to me :banghead:
I don't think Chris Dawes was the original owner of #017. I suspect that David Morrison may have been, hence the reason those two cars are pictured together.
That makes sense, especially if it is #017 next to LM3, although the numberplate size differs (UK number plates are large, as in the pic of what is beleived to be #017 in a marquee tent). I must admit, after going through my pics of LM3, I can't find a pic of it sitting on a nice surface like it is in the pic above; it's either in the workshop (cracked, uneven surface), on a driveway (nice smooth surface), in Woking (on a nice carpet) or on the road.

Can you tell I am sill undecided ;)

This is the only other pic I could find of this gathering at Goodwood 95. (if anybody has more, please post)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/324/42905092mhq1.th.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42905092mhq1.jpg) (I have increased the size to 1024)

To me, the dark red F1 on the left looks more like a solid colour (021), than a pearl (017) We need more pics :naughty:

Could this be from the same day? Due to the poor lighting the red seems orange in this photo
http://img152.imagevenue.com/loc797/th_21614_multiple_f1s_1_122_797lo.jpg (http://img152.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=21614_multiple_f1s_1_122_797lo.jpg)

If we keep this up,.....we, will all go colour blind runaround

Love the orange!! :smokin:

Thanks for the pic Greg,

I enhanced the garage shot as best I could to bring out what little detail there is of the windshield banner.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/f1lm13_edit.jpg

Here's an example of how it would have looked:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/McLaren_logo3b.jpg

You can make out a bit more detail on it in these images too:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/324/42905092mhq1.th.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42905092mhq1.jpg) http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9229/xp5qt8.th.png (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xp5qt8.png)

Cross reference that second shot with photos we already believe are #017 and you'll see the interior seems to match up as well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_TCTS_ss1b.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/TCTS_ss1b.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_c12-f1cars.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/c12-f1cars.jpg)

That's my take on it. :)

>8^)
ER

...especially if it is #017 next to LM3, although the numberplate size differs (UK number plates are large, as in the pic of what is beleived to be #017 in a marquee tent).

If the size on the number plate is holding you back from entertaining my theory, take note of these images of the front number plate on LM3 which read '1 SEN' when Morrison had it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/3_lg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/19991.jpg

Also, the shots of LM3 taken outside at McLaren Cars in front of the Formula One rig show an identical sized plate or plate holder in the front. We've also seen smaller-than-normal UK front plates on other F1s like #011, #069 which are just slightly smaller, or #16R which is almost identical in size to what's seen here on LM3. Either the law allows for some variance, or owners make a concious decision knowing there may be a penalty.

Incidentally, the rear plate on LM3 was standard UK size - it can be seen (unclearly) in the short drive-off video from the 1999 Gumball event.

>8^)
ER

I meant the plate on #017, as this size shown here
http://img126.imagevenue.com/loc1175/th_07912_f1lm13_122_1175lo.jpg (http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07912_f1lm13_122_1175lo.jpg)
differs to the one shown here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_c12-f1cars.jpg

BTW :cheers: for the shot of LM3 with the PHUSE logo on the front, I only had a miniscule pic of it before now.

Glad I helped with something. The one I had is hardly what I'd call big... ;)

With the difference you show in your last post I chalk that up to the different owners having different plates/registrations. I think the tent photo was taken a lot later than the LM garage shot.

Here's a question - when the owner of a car in the UK puts a personalized number plate on their car, what happens with the original one? Does it get returned to the DVLA as it would here, or does it remain associated with the vehicle to be put back on at a later date if the personalized plate is retired?

BTW: Shouldn't you be over at the hospital right now coaching your wife to push or something?? :runaround:

>8^)
ER

Here's a question - when the owner of a car in the UK puts a personalized number plate on their car, what happens with the original one? Does it get returned to the DVLA as it would here, or does it remain associated with the vehicle to be put back on at a later date if the personalized plate is retired?
>8^)
ER
I believe the original plate stays with the car, as the personal plate can be transferred to any car the owner owns, as long as they notify the DVLA. If the owner sells the personal plate, the original plate gets put back on the car unless he buys yet another personal plate to replace it.
BTW: Shouldn't you be over at the hospital right now coaching your wife to push or something?? :runaround:
>8^)
ER
Should be, but the baby is hanging on in there :rolleyes:. We have a mid-wife appointment at lunchtime today, so we will know a bit more about what's going to happen after then. I don't think they will let Heidi go further than say next Thursday without baby making an appearance, so not long now :jump3:

I don't think Chris Dawes was the original owner of #017. I suspect that David Morrison may have been, hence the reason those two cars are pictured together.


That is correct. Chris Dawes' car was never delivered to him

The car in the garage is definatley 017

cant they do a new gathering at Goodwood FoS in 2008!!!?:-)

DRAGGING this thread back up [I couldn't think of a better place, and didn't want to create a new thread just for them], I found a couple of new pics I thought may interest some people on here ;)

First off is either #011 pre Blue re-paint or #020 with wheels I have never seen it wear before
http://img171.imagevenue.com/loc762/th_24626_F1GTR11_122_762lo.jpg (http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24626_F1GTR11_122_762lo.jpg)
and also a lovely gathering at Mclaren HQ in Woking. I can see #011, #073, #075 [possibly] and one of the FINA GTR's, possibly #26R, amongst others

http://img232.imagevenue.com/loc393/th_24632_BLUEGTR21_122_393lo.jpg (http://img232.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24632_BLUEGTR21_122_393lo.jpg)

First shot certainly looks like #011 pre-respray wearing #073's wheels. Since the unnamed Venezuelan brothers owned that pair, it certainly makes sense.

In the second photo I am having trouble finding the FINA GTR, but it's an AWESOME shot nonetheless! :naughty: Thanks! :smokin:

>8^)
ER

um,yeah, :schoolboy error:. I thought the F1 in the back was a Fina GTR, but looking closer it appears to be another silver road car :banghead:

Here are some from the gathering at Goodwood just after the Le Man 1995 race mentioned earlier - looks like #01R, #06R, #003, #017, #021 and XP5 and possibly a blue one in pic 7 (?)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF101.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF101.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF102.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF102.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF103.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF103.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF104.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF104.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF105.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF105.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans19953rdplace.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans19953rdplace.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner01.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner01.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner02.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner02.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner03.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner03.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner04.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner04.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner05.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/jedigtr/McLarenF1LeMans1995winner05.jpg)

Full credit goes to 'knight' of PH.com

HOH..no words of those pics. :uhoh::runaround:

So the Year is 1995? The 01R looks just that it has arrivaled straight from the Le Mans race?

Anyway, I have just 7 images, at Helsinki Motor Show 1996. #16R. These images has been seen here allready.
http://redirectingat.com/?id=252X400&test=off&url=http%3A//kuvablogi.com/blog/1949/48/ (http://kuvablogi.com/blog/1949/48/)