WIP: Hasegawa Lancia Stratos 1/24 1977 Monte Winner


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SeanyG
11-02-2006, 12:12 PM
... and the next one on the bench!

OK, OK - I know EVERYONE has built one of these however I never have so there!!!!! This is up there with my all time favourite rally cars but definately is my favourite colour scheme, its gonna be the Alitalia liveried Lancia Stratos driven by Sandro Munari at the 1977 Monte Carlo Rally.

Not only is this my first Stratos its my first Hasegawa model too, I have to say it looks as good as the Tamiya models I have built however the proof is in the baking as they say so we will see along the way.

As I did with my little Renault 5 (http://www.scalereproductions.co.uk/gallery_renault5.htm) Im gonna be opening the rear cowl as I have managed to get one of the rare Renassiance (I think) resin engine transkits for the car, I also have some Studio 27 goodies and a further Hasegawa Etch set. I am a little undecided wether or not to open the front yet, apart from the spare wheel I dont think there is an awful lot of further detail in there and I also think hinging it would be tricky too. Any suggestions here would be welcomed.

Anyway, out of all the models I have built so far this is the first car I really am looking forward to finishing as I just think it was and still is a stunning WRC car.

Here's what Im starting with:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02539.jpg

and the box of the model...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/HGCR32.jpg

as always updates will be on here and at my website, simply cannot wait to get going on this one!

Sean
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winstona
11-02-2006, 12:53 PM
I have built this one before. The only problem with this kit is the design of how the body is fitted onto the chasis. You have to use a lot of finess plus force to get it in. When I built mine, I ended up breaking some parts along the way...Other than that, I really enjoyed building this kit and I do think that detail-wise, this kit is much better than a Tamiya.

Since you are opening up the back, you should not see any of the problems I mentioned! With all the after market goodies you have shown above, the end result should look great!

Winston

puffyrs
11-02-2006, 01:31 PM
i'll be watching this one.
But as everyone that has made one would say be careful when fitting the body to the base, it is VERY tight.
Good luck

gionc
11-02-2006, 03:56 PM
Searching a bit you'll find the legendary Phil's full open stratos as an inspiration: I don't know if him finished it but it's awesome, also for front section.

Yes is true: there is'nt too much to show in front but the shape and the way to open the cowl is awesome: go for full open.

I'm tuned and courious: I'm collecting some EM V6 dinos for my stratos so don't expect hi-detailed 246 dino from me : only curbside :D

chocolate
11-02-2006, 04:01 PM
:screwy:

sjelic
11-03-2006, 01:58 AM
I will folow this one, be carefull with rear wheels position, test fit them first as I had slight wheels problem, they don't go into the centre of the wheel arche (looks like the chasis is a bit to short).

yelo
11-03-2006, 08:34 PM
I'm gonna keep this one in the "to watch often " tread...

SeanyG
11-04-2006, 12:50 PM
guys, many thanks for all your initial advice, I've had a search through the forums but I dont think 'RallyRaider' finished his stratos, I agree it looks like a fabulous project however the work it is going to take is substantial, will have a long hard think about opening the front, however Im definately opening the rear.
It is obvious from the posts that the shell is a bitch to attach to the chassis once complete so hopefully cutting the back off will help me here.
Should have some initial pics up very soon and thanks again for your interest!

Sean
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RallyRaider
11-04-2006, 03:11 PM
Good luck with this project Sean, I'm sure you'll do a great job. Quite right I have never finished my opened up Stratos, I had problems with the windscreen surround cracking. But I hope to get back to it one day. Given my problems with the windscreen, I'd suggest it wise to just open up the rear, that is where all the good bits are afterall! :)

SeanyG
11-04-2006, 03:45 PM
Well, That is the right answer Phil, just the rear it is then ;-)

To be honest I really wasnt sure about opening the front from the start, I really hope you can make a success of yours though, deserves a good result for being so brave!

So off we go on another journey of frustration, anger, pleasure, satisfaction, annoyance and delight, all rolled into one - sounds like modeling to me!

First simple stage of removing the rear cowl, no dramas here, I used a needle saw to cut the plastic - I find it to be the best and by far the neatest way

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02540.jpg

As I type this Im thinking about opening a door although again, this makes me nervous - I may end up showing one of the windows wound down as it were so we will wait and see on that one, Phil how did you find cutting the doors off or again would you recommend removing the back only?

cheers

Sean
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RallyRaider
11-04-2006, 04:15 PM
I'm sure you could pull off removing a door Sean. Would require a lot of scratchbuilding, both inside the door and of a support structure to hinge it.

robrex
11-04-2006, 05:05 PM
I'm gonna keep this one in the "to watch often " thread...

Me too!

Technoman
11-04-2006, 10:31 PM
Excellent. Amazingly, even as something of a rally nut, I have never built a Stratos! This one looks like it should be great. I will watch with interest.

SeanyG
11-05-2006, 04:30 AM
For reference, I have a few photos from the web of the stratos - I also have a few issues of the old Supercars magazines, these are excellent publications and still pretty easy (and cheap) to get hold of on the bay. They also have a some interesting info on the background of cars and their beginnings - I like to add a little history on the car Im building on my website, I just find it interesting to know the how/when/why of a cars evolution.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02542.jpg

If anyone has a suggestion for a better book or source of photos feel free to let me know.

Progress to begin with is gonna be a little slow as Im finishing a small Birthday Present project so please bare with me, once thats finished it will be full speed ahead with the Stratos.

Sean
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RallyFanatic
11-05-2006, 04:07 PM
The books "Rally Cars" and "Rally" by Reinhard Klein are very good sources for references on any major rally car.

CeeElle
11-05-2006, 10:44 PM
i'll just sit back, keep quiet and learn a few things from a master...

RallyRaider
11-06-2006, 06:42 AM
Agree Klein's "Rally" and "Rally Cars" are essential books for rally car modellers. I also have two books with some detail shots, one is "Racing Lancias" by Giancarlo Reggaiani, the other is "Lancia Stratos thirty years later" by Andrea Curami. However the best walkarounds can be found on the web at prestige sales sites like "Classic Cars" although I don't know if that is still online.

RallyRaider
11-06-2006, 06:53 AM
Here is a link to such a walkaround. Obviously not a rally machine but useful nonetheless.

http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?StockID=102819

huw davies
11-06-2006, 04:28 PM
The Lancia Stratos 'Super Profile' series by Haynes is quite good,
although mostly b&w photos with a few colour exterior shots towards the back.

SeanyG
11-08-2006, 02:24 PM
thanks for the reference source help guys and thanks for the link Phil, a couple of those books are on ebay at the moment so I'll be trying to pick em up there.

so here's another brief update...

Well it's done - I have chopped the doors off, alot trickier than I thought it was going to be as the bottom of the front wheel arches and also the windscreen pillars were extremely fragile, unfortunately I cracked the passenger side pillar but a little CA glue and filler has fixed this - just hope it doesnt prove to be a weak point later on in the build.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02546.jpg

I then removed the four moulded bonnet/boot clips - these will be replaced with etched versions.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02547.jpg

I have also started to clean up the resin engine, Im probably going to start the project here as most of the engine needs to be built and detailed prior to installation - I can always add further cabling etc once its installed.

I have decided to remove the resin axles and will replace these with metal rods or pins, Sakatsu also produce a set of boots for the 037 Rally which look to be very similar to the ones on the Stratos so Im gonna invest in a set and add them - this will require the transmission housing to be drilled to accommodate the new axle.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02548.jpg

thats all for now, more when I can get some more modeling time in.

Sean
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robrex
11-08-2006, 03:34 PM
This is going to be a seriously great project! I am looking forward to the next update!

924_CarreraGTS
11-08-2006, 04:37 PM
OK, I'm a little "late to this party," so to speak, so some of my comments here might be a little misplaced chronologically, but anyway, this sounds like a cool project! What makes is so interesting to me is that I am also building this kit (albeit the Pirelli-livery San Remo car). I am also opening up the front and rear. Here's where we differ--you got a rare resin engine; I handbuilt the entire engine and will be doing so with the rest of the engine bay out of plastic, spare parts, and copper wire. I will try to get some photos of that and post it on here sometime soon. Anyway, since I plan to open the front lid, I have done some searching and found some pictures--here is a bunch of pictures of the street Stratos, whose front trunk is almost identical to that of the rally Stratos.
http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?StockID=102819
Good luck with this project; I will be following it and hopefully posting my own here pretty soon. :thumbsup:

mic329
11-08-2006, 08:56 PM
It should be a cool project and I gonna to keep reading this thread definitely.
Keep it up :D

Thegs
11-09-2006, 05:47 AM
You'll probably now this one, but it is very good reference!
http://pic1.piczo.com/classicrallymodels/?g=16637698&cr=1

Gerwin

SeanyG
11-09-2006, 09:43 AM
thanks for links guys - but look what I found...! Should be a big help to 924_CarreraGTS too for building his San Remo car, and Phil - maybe this might help you get back onto yours too!

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Lancia/Stratos1.html

just follow the links on the page to access some wonderful pictures.

Sean
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SeanyG
11-09-2006, 10:02 AM
OK, I'm a little "late to this party," so to speak, so some of my comments here might be a little misplaced chronologically, but anyway, this sounds like a cool project! What makes is so interesting to me is that I am also building this kit (albeit the Pirelli-livery San Remo car). I am also opening up the front and rear. Here's where we differ--you got a rare resin engine; I handbuilt the entire engine and will be doing so with the rest of the engine bay out of plastic, spare parts, and copper wire. I will try to get some photos of that and post it on here sometime soon. Anyway, since I plan to open the front lid, I have done some searching and found some pictures--here is a bunch of pictures of the street Stratos, whose front trunk is almost identical to that of the rally Stratos.
http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?StockID=102819
Good luck with this project; I will be following it and hopefully posting my own here pretty soon. :thumbsup:

Sounds like my project is a walk in the park compared to yours, I thought long and hard about opening the front but decided against it, just wasnt sure if I could pull it off or not and I was also worried about weakening the shell too much. I think this project is gonna take long enough detailing the engine bay and interior alone and Im happy doing that, however I'll look forward to seeing some pictures of your build on here too - I also really like the Red & Black Pirelli livery too.

Sean
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SeanyG
11-09-2006, 05:04 PM
... a little further update,

The gap between the chassis floor and the shell is too big and requires filling.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02552.jpg

a quick check to see how much room I have allowing for the doors

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02553.jpg

I then measured out and cut two sections from plascard to fill the gap, I filed the edge which sits against the body work at an angle of around 45 degrees so that it rests nicely against the sloping sides - this will be attached to the sides once all interior work is complete. Luckily I have avoided the nightmare that some of you have had of fitting the shell onto the bodywork, as I've cut the back off it simply slides into the shell which is a big relief!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02559.jpg

These are the revised sills in place

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02560.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02561.jpg

I then created two more pieces that would enclose the interior from the front arches, this piece would also have to incorporate the hinge mechanism once I have decided how its going to work so they need to be substantial enough to take the weight of an open door.

I first created a template from some paper and drew the shape of the inner wing. Using this I then cut out two more sections of plascard, after a little filing the two pieces were then fitted into shell. I added a little putty just to reinforce the join, I will sand this down to a clean finish once its dry.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02563.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02562.jpg

Finally in this update, I added the arches onto the rear cowl and bodywork and filled in any gaps with a little filler, these were a good fit in general and required little filling. I also added the inner rear section of the cowl. This will have to be hinged from this section - I have still to work that out but shouldnt be too difficult fingers crossed!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02556.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02557.jpg

The arches really add to the 'stocky' appearance of the Stratos, just looking at the rear cowl reminds me of what a stunning looking car this was.

More again soon, will probably get back onto the engine and let the filler set before I sand it smooth

Sean
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rallymaster
11-09-2006, 07:56 PM
Wow,

nice work Sean ! :thumbsup:
I didn't dare opening anything when I built mine.
I remember having had many troubles to fit the body and the chassis, but regarding your work it appears that opening rear boot and doors, even if it could weaken the body, is the best solution to avoid fitting troubles as it release body of any forces.
About the engine, I knew that reji did a TK, but Renaisssance...? :screwy:

Very promissing build, I will watch it close ! :naughty:

bye
Phil

rallymaster
11-09-2006, 08:02 PM
Ok I better understand ! :wink:
You supposed this TK to be a Renaissance's one, but it's the Reji TK !
I wonder why I didn't recognize Renaissance building instructions as they used to be, but as you said that it was Renaissance stuff... i just didn't notice you only "thought" it was Renaissance.:grinno:
But this time it's sure, it's Reji TK, isn't it ? :)

...I have managed to get one of the rare Renassiance (I think) resin engine transkits for the car...

924_CarreraGTS
11-10-2006, 12:42 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, Sean, and as for that link...:eek: Those pictures are perfect!! Not great for details like the block, heads, and tranny (the parts I already built from other references), but perfect for the engine bay "peripherals", the parts I haven't yet made but was hoping for better reference material of. Thanks a lot!! And by the way, you're going one step further than me--I don't plan to open the doors (I suck at making hinges for them; I can handle trunks, but that's about it). Project looks good! I'll try to get some decent pictures of my engine once I finish it (still need dipstick, oil cooler/lines, oil collector/lines, oil filter decal and air cleaner decal, throttle cable, belt) and then post them. :wink:

drunken monkey
11-10-2006, 12:50 AM
don't forget that when looking for images for reference for this engine, you should also do a search for pics of the ferrari/dino 246GT and fiat dino cars that had the same engine in them.

924_CarreraGTS
11-10-2006, 02:05 AM
don't forget that when looking for images for reference for this engine, you should also do a search for pics of the ferrari/dino 246GT and fiat dino cars that had the same engine in them.
That's just what I did before I built the engine for mine.

924_CarreraGTS
11-10-2006, 02:20 AM
Hey, could anyone give a simple diagram or otherwise describe the oil system on the Stratos? I know the can on the driver's side is the collector, but how are the hoses routed? I can't quite figure it out. Thanks.

SeanyG
11-10-2006, 05:28 AM
Ok I better understand ! :wink:
You supposed this TK to be a Renaissance's one, but it's the Reji TK !
I wonder why I didn't recognize Renaissance building instructions as they used to be, but as you said that it was Renaissance stuff... i just didn't notice you only "thought" it was Renaissance.:grinno:
But this time it's sure, it's Reji TK, isn't it ? :)

yip, you guessed it, it is a Reji resin engine, I was a little unsure as it does not have any branding on the instructions I have.

Incidentally, while im on, does anyone know which Fujimi Stratos kit has the engine supplied with it? I wondered if it would give me further help with some of the components Im going to have to build.

many thanks again for all your help so far everyone

Sean
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RallyRaider
11-10-2006, 05:37 PM
As far as I'm aware all the Fujimi Stratos kits have engines in them. Certainly the Enthusiast series ones. Also be aware that there are two versions of the V6 used on the rally Stratos - 4 and 2 valve, with different head designs. I think the 4 valve was used from 1974 until 1978, when it was banned by a change in the regulations.

SeanyG
11-12-2006, 05:27 PM
thanks for that Phil, do you (or anyone else) think it would be worthwhile buying an extra fujimi kit, does this offer many extra details which i could use or is it virtually what I have to work with.

Incidentally Phil, I notice you mentioned in your thread you only got one fuel tank in your kit - there isnt any in mine!!!!

Sean
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RallyRaider
11-13-2006, 04:51 AM
The Reji engine is a complete knock-off of the Fujimi engine. So if you are ready to scratchbuild those missing fuel tanks there isn't a big difference. The Enthusiast engine does break down into a much larger number of parts, so maybe that and working with styrene rather than resin would be preferable? Don't know how easy they are to come by at the moment.

If it wasn't for the strange side window shape in the Fujimi kit, it would be the way to go building a full detail stratos.

SeanyG
11-13-2006, 01:59 PM
... further update...

ok, here's my solution to the hinges for the doors. I tested and tried a few ideas using brass wire and intricate little housings and catches however none of them seemed to quite do the trick or I couldnt get them to work properly or the doors just wouldnt sit right.

So, went back to the drawing board and simplified things and came up with this (and it is simple)

1. I drilled a hole into the surround I had built up in front of the wheel arch...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02565.jpg

2. I then drilled a hole vertically in the diagonal slope of the inner door skins, into this I fitted an 'L' bend hinge, inside the door skin I added a little surround around the 'L' piece to keep it firmly in place and give a little support to the hinge.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02566.jpg

...top view of the same door skin and hinge in place

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02567.jpg

3. The 'L' piece is free to turn in the door skin and the protruding section sits in the hole drilled into the chassis. The holes are just big enough to take the plastic round section and therefore there is no movement apart from the hinge moving in and out.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02570.jpg

a view from above in the closed position

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02571.jpg

and VOILA!!!!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02569.jpg

I have tested it with the door skins attached and they fit nice and snug. I will have to be careful once these are sprayed as the extra paint may cause a problem however I should be able to get round it with a little sanding here and there. A bonus (and completely unintended!!!) is that the when the shell is attached to the chassis the doors can actually be completely removed by pulling the hinge all the way out.

As you can see in the last pictures I have also primed and spayed the chassis matt black, Im going to give it a little dry brushing with some matt alu and brownish/rust colour but only very very lightly to add a little depth

I then added the door pockets to the inner skins, these were quite thick and looked a little bulky, I thinned the walls down slightly, original on the left - thinned version on the right.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02572.jpg

Then onto the rear bulkhead, this is the part as is, the gaps either side as per the kit are filled with the inner skins of the doors.


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02574.jpg

As my doors are opening I had to chop this section from the inner skins. However having removed the extra pieces from the inner skins of the doors they were hopelessly too small to effectively plug this gap so here's how I created new ones

1. First I pushed a piece of paper into the cockpit and and pressed it into the gap, this was held firmly in position with some masking tape and I then drew the outline of the hole using a sharp pencil onto the paper to give me a perfect template

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02573.jpg

2. I then cut two pieces, one for either side but using the same template - just by flippin it round, I used some thin plascard for these.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02575.jpg

3. To attach these to the bulkhead I made four small plates - drilled at each end just to add a little extra detail and fixed them in place across the join. Once this was dry I sanded down any harsh edges and then attached the bulkhead to the chassis - they fit like a treat too!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02576.jpg

The finished bulkhead...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02577.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02578.jpg

At this stage I have primed the body and will begin the sanding / spraying stage before applying the top coat. Im gonna use Halfords Appliance White, it has never let me down in the past and gives a nice bright white finish.

more to come soon

Sean
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SeanyG
11-15-2006, 09:33 AM
a quick question, does anyone have any quality pics of the interior of the stratos, particularly of the rear bulkhead behind the seats.

many thanks

Sean
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SeanyG
11-15-2006, 01:21 PM
another wee update...

I have ordered a bunch of nuts and bolts to help me detail the engine bay so I have decided to tackle the interior first and wait until the extra stuff arrives before getting on with that.

Having sprayed the whole chassis in matt black, I gave this a light dry brush with dark alu.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02580.jpg

Now I have got the door mechanism working, I finished the detailing work on the doors inner skins. Both were sprayed matt black, however on the passenger door in my ref pics there is also an extra pocket added to the top of the door - probably to hold pace notes and maps, I built this from plascard and heated it slightly in order to bend it into shape. The contents of this pocket is secured with a small twin black strap, this I made from some old etch sprue (just dont ever throw things away guys!!!) the white fastener in the picture is just a small section of wire. Once set I will paint this all black. I also replaced the window catch with an etched part, I added a door release catch and also small rivet heads around the edge to complete it. As with the chassis this again was given the dry brush treatment.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02586.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02588.jpg

I made a small boob with the rear bulkhead in that I forgot to spray the inner section 'sail colour' as it says in the instructions, a bit of carefull masking and I got away with it. Once this was dry and again using the dry brush technique I added a little shadow either side of the raised area which holds the fire extinguisher using matt dark brown, I finished it off with some light sand colour on the raised edges. As you can see this not only emphasises the detail but gives it a worn look which is what I am trying to achieve.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02589.jpg

With the seats in place this looks quite nice...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02590.jpg

and with the passenger door in place...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02591.jpg

Next Im gonna to finish the drivers door and then look at the seats. Still looking for some good pictures of the interior if anyone can oblige.

Sean
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rallymaster
11-15-2006, 04:01 PM
Hello Sean,

that stratos build will make me throw mine by the window ! :banghead: :shakehead :grinyes:

I don't have many pics of the inside of the stratos, but I have this one (issue from Rally Cars - R. Klein's book)
it seems you put the scratched pocket a little bit too transversely, isn't it ?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/stratos_inside.jpg

but It's probably the most promissign stratos I've ever seen here ! :naughty:

What I can say about inside is that there is a four-heads (cross ?) wrench to unscrew the wheels under codriver seat.
(we can guess it under the front left corner of the seat)

Bye
Phil

SeanyG
11-15-2006, 04:18 PM
Phil,

thanks for the picture, it is strange, you can usually find a pic of just about anything on the net these days but there is hardly any of the Stratos' interior.
This is the pic I have based my interior on so far. As you can see the passenger side pocket is at an angle in this one, I guess it must vary from car to car (or maybe it fell off!!!!)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/55PDC_0177-med.jpg

What I need is to see where the plumbing goes for the fire extinguisher behind the seats, how the seat belts are mounted, the area between the seats where the handbrake is and also the plumbing for the passenger side fire extinguisher.

There also seems to be extra protection for the seats on each side, probably where the belts rub up against them which I am going to include.

Sean
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stevenoble
11-15-2006, 04:25 PM
Sean,have you seen the pictures of the Stratos here.Some nice shots of the engine area etc.

http://pic1.piczo.com/classicrallymodels/?g=16637698&cr=1

rallymaster
11-15-2006, 04:47 PM
Phil,

thanks for the picture, it is strange, you can usually find a pic of just about anything on the net these days but there is hardly any of the Stratos' interior.
This is the pic I have based my interior on so far. As you can see the passenger side pocket is at an angle in this one, I guess it must vary from car to car (or maybe it fell off!!!!)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/55PDC_0177-med.jpg

Hmm... :screwy: Yes I think it can vary from car to car, especially private cars or rebuilt cars... I don't know exactly which car my pic is about...
or maybe it just felt down, you're right :grinyes: but I don't think so.
I didn't detailled too much my stratos cos' I couldn't find good pics, and when I found some they were sometimes contradictory !


What I need is to see where the plumbing goes for the fire extinguisher behind the seats, how the seat belts are mounted, the area between the seats where the handbrake is and also the plumbing for the passenger side fire extinguisher.

There also seems to be extra protection for the seats on each side, probably where the belts rub up against them which I am going to include.

Sean


I am not sure you have to put plumbing from central fire extinguisher...
for what I know about it it wasn't an automatic fire extinguisher, and if I don't go wrong this kind of fire extinguisher came with Group B category...
but I am not 100% sure of that.
According to me, central fire extinguisher is a normal one, a manual one. :dunno:

Phil

SeanyG
11-15-2006, 05:32 PM
Sean,have you seen the pictures of the Stratos here.Some nice shots of the engine area etc.

http://pic1.piczo.com/classicrallymodels/?g=16637698&cr=1

Steve,

yeah, I have that site bookmarked - some excellent pics of lots of really rare rally cars but again very few pics of the inside of Stratos.

Nevermind, I have just picked up a couple of Stratos books on ebay so hopefully they are going to help, thanks for the link anyway.

Phil,

I think you might be right, the extinguisher that comes with the kit looks like a manual one so that would make sense. Thanks for your help.

Im just working on the seats - making some changes to them too, might have more pics up tonight if not tomorrow!

Sean
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SeanyG
11-15-2006, 08:19 PM
final update of the day...

so onto the seats, having looked at what little reference pics I have, the seats provided in the kit looked far too flat, there appears to be much more of a curve to the seat cushion of the seat, so here's what I did!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02592.jpg

I cut two pieces from my thinnest piece of plascard and shaped them to fit the bottom of the seats and then I scored 3 lines along to match with the lines on the seat, finally and again with the help of a little heat I bent them into a shallow curve and attached them to the seats.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02593.jpg

the small gap underneath was then filled using a little filler, this will replicate the light brown coloured foam of the cushion.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02594.jpg

... finally the seats were sprayed with dark grey, masked off and then the outsides were given a coat of semi-gloss black, once this dried I picked out the light brown foam areas as mentioned before. The headrest were added and painted according to instructions.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02595.jpg

I will leave these over night now and in the morning add a coat of matt over the top to dull it down a little, I will then add the weathering which should bring these to life. There are also some small pads to add either side onto the arms of the seat which protect them from the belts. I cant wait to get the seat belts added, but patience, patience!

OK, gotta get some kip, more tomorrow!

Hope your enjoying the WIP and please feel free to critic away!

Sean
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freakray
11-15-2006, 09:28 PM
That interior is looking great, keep up the excellent work.

willimo
11-16-2006, 01:41 PM
Amazing stuff, here. I love all the detail you're adding in. It has to be a pain to get it exactly right, with all the different ones out there, but you're making it convincing at least! Fantastic work.

klutz_100
11-16-2006, 03:02 PM
Lord, I'm glad I found this thread!

Terrific work you are doing on this project :thumbsup:

SeanyG
11-17-2006, 12:02 PM
more progress...

completed the slight weathering to the seats just so they dont look pristine, used a slightly darker grey wash in the recesses and then a little lighter grey dry brush. Also added the protective pads either side of the seat, I actually used paper for this, given a coat of semi-gloss black and then a small rivet head at each end.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02601.jpg

The first of the two extinguishers was then added, both these had the moulded straps sanded off, then primed and sprayed gloss red, I then made the straps from Alu tape and some small p/e buckles. On this extinguisher the top was picked out in matt black and the ends in polished silver.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02603.jpg

I used the seat belt hardware from S27 and material from Scale Motorsport, included also is a white metal lock/release mechanism. I used the 'Britax' decals from the kit sheet.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02604.jpg

1 down 1 to go, will complete the other fire extinguisher next and the plumbing to go with it and then install the passenger seat and belts.

Sean
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SeanyG
11-17-2006, 05:47 PM
a little more...

these are the straps I made for the extinguishers...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02596.jpg

I got the second extinguisher installed and most of the plumbing, although there is still a cable which runs underneath the passenger seat to add, I cannot see with the ref pics I have how this looks.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02605.jpg

I then added the gear lever, I replaced the small rivet heads on the base plate with etched versions and also replaced the shaft of the lever with a small piece of metal rod - I am going to paint the knob with a wooden effect.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02607.jpg

thats it for tonight.

Sean
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rallymaster
11-17-2006, 07:52 PM
wow, it's better and better ! :thumbsup:

Phil

SeanyG
11-18-2006, 08:35 AM
another little update,

finished the passenger seat and added same details as on driver's...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02611.jpg

and so on to the dashboard, this is the kit part, hmmm - this will not do!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02610.jpg

removed the moulded fuses and also the bank of relays, the fusebox on the car actually sits inside the dashboard in a sort of little recessed box so I will create this from pascard and then come up with a cunning plan for some fuses!!!!
As for the relays, as these are individual boxes I simply chopped them up from the kit part, squared them off and then re-attached them to a new backing sheet, these will need a little detail painting and then can go back on.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02613.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02614.jpg

For the switches on the dash I am going to add some fusewire to replace the moulded versions, I drilled out the ones that need replacing...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02615.jpg

...just re-charging my camera battery before I can get more pics up...

Sean
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DerXL
11-18-2006, 06:07 PM
This build is just awesome.:eek:

Not just the build, but the way you're describing the steps you take is awesome too.
I'm really learning a lot here.:worshippy

I must admit that I'm more into the modern rally cars, but what you're doing is really wetting my appetite to start building that 037 I've got lying around here !

Keep up the great work !

SeanyG
11-19-2006, 06:47 PM
thanks for all the comments guys, here's a further bit of progress on the dashboard.

firstly I completed work on the new fusebox and set of relays. These were painted matt grey and the backing plate matt brown. As for the fuses, wel I drilled a straight row of holes into a piece of plasplate, into each of these I inserted a small section of fusewire, I then painted the baseplate matt grey and used different colours for the fuses (I've never had so many pots of paint open at once).

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02642.jpg

Once this was dry I inserted it into the scratched box and then attached it to the back of the cut-out area of the dash along with the set of relays. The dash had already been primed and sprayed matt black.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02644.jpg

and so onto the detail painting, no big secret here just alot of patience. Firstly the drilled switch surrounds were picked out in polished alu along with different coloured bulbs, these had clear red / blue / orange & green laid over them once dry.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02645.jpg

To complete it, the heater control was picked out in white and a touch of blue and red put into the bottom and top to show hot and cold, the rest of the switches were coloured accordingly, I also gave the clocks and more importantly the surrounds a coat of gloss black as these are a shinier black on the real car in contrast to the matt black finish of the dash, then this was set aside to dry.
Once dry I attached the decals according to the instructions, with the S27 etch set there is a beautiful etched co-driver's stopwatch and timer to be added onto the dash just to the left of the fusebox and the kit decals sit nicely straight over the top of these. I will leave these overnight and then give each clock a little drop of clear to simulate a glass cover over each one.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02648.jpg

Finally, and again with the S27 P/E set there is a replacement steering wheel centre, I chopped the kit part's centre out and replaced it with this. Included in the Acustion set (which I just got delivered) there is a beautiful 'Lancia' wheel centre that finishes this off nicely, this is an embossed badge so I coloured the back black and quickly wiped across it with a cloth light dipped into cleaner to reveal the silver badge.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02650.jpg

Not a million more things left to do in the cockpit now, still waiting for my mini nuts and bolts to arrive so I may move onto the front end next.

thanks for looking and hope your enjoying the thread

Sean
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freakray
11-19-2006, 07:01 PM
Absolutely brilliant work on the dashboard, the whole assembly looks great. Can't wait to see the finished interion :cool:

boxjelly
11-20-2006, 12:01 AM
You are a fantastic craftsman.

DerXL
11-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Hi Sean

Concerning those images of the interior (if they're still needed), I read an article in TMMI about the Ford RS200 from BBA Design. And in this article the writer mentioned the site www.mcklein.de (http://www.mcklein.de). He got several images from that site.

I just took a look there and on this page: http://82.165.32.230/mcklein4/index.php?index=12&idb_cmd=show_collection&idb_collection_id=326&idb_page=3, there's a great picture of the interior of the Stratos.
Only problem is, I don't think you can get this picture for free and the thumbnail that is displayed won't help you much.
But maybe you could contact the site owner. Maybe he can help you.

But either way, with or without these reference pictures, you're still doing an awesome job !:thumbsup:

SeanyG
11-20-2006, 05:26 PM
XL

great link and how frustrating is that - there isnt even anywhere where you can subscribe. I have sent him an email asking how I can or download high res pics.

thanks again

Sean
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SeanyG
11-22-2006, 06:18 PM
a further update - moving onto the front end.

Firstly I re-built the front shocks, in kit form these are like this

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02656.jpg

This is a pretty easy way of vastly improving the moulded springs on models. Alot of modelers do this to great effect but heres my take on it.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02657.jpg

I cut the centre section away and measured out two pieces of hollow alu tubing to the same length as the removed parts. I then drilled the remaining four ends and inserted a small section of fuse wire to hold the new alu shaft, these were then painted matt alu and given a slightly weathering.
While these were drying I wrapped some yellow cables around the alu rod very tightly and then slid them off the rod and cut them down to size. I made them slightly longer so that they have to compress slightly once installed.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02658.jpg

These were then put together with a little CA glue and what we have left is...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02661.jpg

As long as your carefull with your measurements this really is a very easy way to make a big improvement in terms of detail.

... and a dry fitting to see if they are correct

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02665.jpg

As for the brakes, I drilled all the way around the edge of the discs with my small Tap & Die (very painstaking!). Once complete these were then given a coat of flat alu. The calipers were painted gun metal and the given a very dry brushing with gold as the brakes on my reference Stratos do have a very dirty coloured gold caliper.
Finally I attached the Acustion disc etched front (which fitted perfectly!)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02662.jpg

A little work on the chassis too, installed the first of the supports for the wheels. If I had in possession some Rod Ends I would have replaced the end of these however the pocket is a little empty (saving for Christmas!) so we are going to have to make do with these. Where these sit against the chassis I drilled the ends and added a small rod through the connection points as per my reference pictures (red ring), finally I also scratched a couple of brackets and added them to each side just to the front of the wheels, these will be where the brakes lines from the calipers are tied and then run into the front somewhere - I will add these next update. (blue rings)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02664.jpg

... and finally, it seems such a shame to be spraying these beautiful S27 wheels but, yellow they have to be!!!!!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/ohanra/Lancia%20Stratos/DSC02663.jpg

thanks again for all your comments and for staying tuned.

Sean
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