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? crankshaft position sensor located on a 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan


beachbummm
10-16-2006, 02:07 PM
Where is the crankshaft position sensor located on a 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan with 3.3 litre engine..is it in the block or dose it sit on top...how do I get to it??..Thanks

RIP
10-16-2006, 02:18 PM
http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1a/40/96/0900823d801a4096.jsp

beachbummm
10-16-2006, 02:50 PM
Well, so far I can refer you to factory service bulletin # 18-16-96, it states ONLY the 1996 caravan will cut out if it passes a military or air traffic control tower ..

The RF signal cuts out the Crankshaft position sensor and will cause the van to die in its tracks...

They say to replace it with part number 4727336AB at a cost of $109.95...Autozone sells them for $30.99. part number Wells SU358..they will need your vin# to get you the right one..

So I will change this if it is not the problem, I will try the iggy switch, then it will be sacrificed to the Gods at GM and I will be trading it in on a pickup..

Thanks for the reply RIP

RIP
10-16-2006, 06:35 PM
That's interesting. Not doubting what you've read but, I've driven my 96 GC near military control towers and even stronger RF sources for years and never had a problem. Remeber seeing GCs/GVs as government vehicles parked next to the towers on many occassions. Seems strange they would make an SB for that when there are so many others that should be written. That's Chrysler for you.

Did I miss a thread? What problem are you having?

automps
10-16-2006, 08:31 PM
Hello , its on the trans bellhousing toward the firewall side of the truck..

beachbummm
10-17-2006, 05:54 AM
It has the standard intermittent starting problem..

One day it will start and run great..for example I took it to Daytona Beach this weekend..I put over 400 miles on it Friday and Sat..ran purrrrfect, got 22 MPG..
Sunday it would not start, had breakfast came back about an hour later and it ran fine all the way home, Monday it started,ran and died a block from work..

Over the last few months we have changed the main computer, alt,plugs,wires,fuel filter,Batt, No error codes have ever come up..check enging light is NOT on...so I thinks its the crank sensor or Iggy switch ..

Im running out of idea so any other input you can share will be helpful
Thanks..

beachbummm
10-17-2006, 07:47 AM
OK sensor is in and the van sounds like it is starting easyer (shorter crank time)..

BUT I noticed when I hit the wiring harness coming off the box behind the overflow bottle the fan comes on for a short peroid of time...

What is the box with about 40 wires coming off it..its mounted on the passanger side fender...could this be my problem??

thanks again

RIP
10-17-2006, 02:43 PM
If it's the box just forward of the power steering reservoir it's the transmission control module. It does talk to the PCM but, it's not clear exactly how. Don't see a tie to the fans.

I've heard cam and crankshaft sensors can be out of spec just enough to give you problems but not enough to trip a CEL light. Hope the sensor did it for you. If not, nail down if it's fuel or spark or both that's missing. If it's both, you might try looking at the rest of the ASD circuit. Have you got a manual?

beachbummm
10-18-2006, 05:03 AM
Thanks RIP..
I dont have a manual, I have driven it about 40 miles since I put the sensor in, so far so good!

Im not sure why the fans came on when I hit the wires, the motor was running but cold..

I did the key on/off test and now I get error code 11(?) & 33 (AC fan relay)..it has been replaced 3 times in the last year...The AC kick on and off a few times then stays off.My code book only goes up to 1994 model year, I guess they are still the same codes.

Also the rear wiper and washer are not working. the buttons on the dash "click" the relay, but nothing happens..Could there be a bad common ground somewhere?

RIP
10-18-2006, 02:02 PM
Looking at a 96-98 Haynes book, code 33 is an A/C Clutch Relay Circuit failure. Might explain your A/C symptom. Might want to check power and grounds to and from the relay to the clutch and continuity. Might be an identical relay on the panel you could swap with.

There are two listings for code 11. The first says it's "No crank signal at PCM". The second says "Mis-fire adaptive numerator at limit" and is described as "CKP sensor target windows have too much variation" . CKP might mean crankshaft position. 11 explains your no start problem. These codes should disappear eventually. Once it looks like it's fixed for sure you can reset them buy disconnecting the battery for 5 minutes or with a DRB scanner.

There could be a seperate problem with the rear wiper/washer. Are they getting power? More likely they have a common problem source and unfortunately thats the Body Control Module (BCM). There's lots of info about this on the forum. You could try pulling the IOD (in PDC) fuse for a few minutes or disconnect the battery to reset the BCM.

beachbummm
10-20-2006, 09:37 AM
Thanks for all the info...
The van has been starting every time with no problem...BUT my MPG has gone down the toilet..
I see the sensor has a slide adjustment (to set the depth into the block)
I put it all the way in then pulled it back a little so it would not hit the crank.

Any ideas on how to determine the proper spacing of the sensor to get my gas mileage back up?

with the old sensor I went 100 miles before it dropped below full. NOW I went 100 miles on 1/4 tank... Should it be "bottomed out" into the block?

I pulled the fuse to clear the codes, but i still get 11 and 33, I tried changing the AC relay (code 33) and its still not kicking in..

RIP
10-20-2006, 02:01 PM
Don't know if this sheds any new light:http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1a/40/96/0900823d801a4096.jsp Says to push the sensor in until contact is made then torque the bolt. There's paper on the sensor that seems important. I've read where some insist on using OEM sensors and say anything else can cause problems.

The PCM applies a ground for the coil in the A/C clutch relay based on inputs from the on switch and the A/C pressure transducer. Could the A/C be on the verge of not having enough freon? Not sure that would produce a fault code but, might want to check it to elliminate the theory. Then there's the PCM, transducer, relay, clutch and all the wire between. Doesn't seem like much but, can sure give you headaches.

webbee
10-20-2006, 03:14 PM
D... There's a paper sensor that seems important...
That paper spacer is probably what provides the correct spacing and it probably destructs as soon as the engine starts. I am guessing at this, but I have seen that same paper system used on some small engine coils to set the correct air gap between coil and flywheel. Check to see if the paper is still there and reset per the posted link. Time and gas mileage will tell if we are right.

1thunder
10-20-2006, 03:59 PM
yes the paper is to determine the proper depth just barely make contact with the tone wheel and the paper should come off when you start it but some dont no big deal though it wont affect the signal

beachbummm
10-20-2006, 04:57 PM
I remember that the old sensor didnt have anything on the tip..The new one did so I will set it all the way into the block in the morning and take it for a ride..

will keep you all posted ..Thanks!

beachbummm
10-24-2006, 11:01 AM
***JUST AN UPDATE**
I readjusted the sensor all the way into the block but my MPG have not gotten any better.
They have dropped from about 22 on the highway down to about 17mpg..so I think I'm going to have to sell her..

At least it starts all the time now..

RIP
10-24-2006, 11:58 AM
Stop! It very well could be the cheap sensor you put in. I've read many have problems with these non Chrysler knock offs. One went through 3 before he had one that worked. It's really tough for me to say it but, the Chrysler crank sensor might be worth the investment.

beachbummm
10-24-2006, 02:48 PM
I'm sure you are right RIP...

I like the van, I don't love it, At 10 years old and 172000 miles I'm not sure how much life it has left anyway..So I think its better to sell it then invest more money into her.

I'm shocked the transmission has not gone to pot as so many others have around the 90,000 mark..

I found a 1997 (GOD, I hate to say this word) ESCORT wagon for $500. It has cold AC and is a one owner car..so I bought it..It too has a sensor issue (error code P0715) According to AAmco it is a speed sensor for the 3rd to 4th gear shift.very common problem on these Mazda wanna be's.

They will charge $125 to fix it and change the fluid and filter..other then that I cant find anything wrong with it other then its an Escort..Im sure its not going to be the girly magnet the van was, but who knows some far sighted stripper might think its a Mercedes wagon ..LOL

RIP
10-24-2006, 05:07 PM
Well ok. Another way to look at it is how much is that loss of 5mpg really going to cost you over a years time?

22 mpg, 15,000 miles a year, $2.50 per gal = $ 1704
17 mpg, 15,000 miles a year, $2.50 per gal = $ 2205

So for what you paid for the Escort with a sensor issue you could still have the van and come out even.

beachbummm
10-25-2006, 10:06 AM
true...
but the AC is not working in the van, and god know's what will die next with all the electrical gremlins...

after all the problems I had with the 2 local dealers trying to get the recall work done, Im not a big mopar fan any longer..

When I can afford it I will be getting into a new chevy or GMC, now with the 100 k bumper to bumper deal..they look like the best deal in town..I figure but mid-Jan 2007.. they will be giving away the left over 2006's for 30% off sticker.. A new 1500 series pickup should cost right around 10 grand

RIP
10-25-2006, 03:27 PM
Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm just wondering why this Escort would be any better in the long run. On top of it you want to buy a GM product. Well, I hope it all works out great. I'll shut up now.

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