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71 charger 318 to 440 swap


shark2000
10-01-2006, 08:45 PM
I just worked out a deal for a 71 Charger, 318 original, (I'm going to miss my YZ250) that comes with an 80 motor home 440 and tranny and electronics to make it run. I have no idea what the power rating is on this engine. I know this would be set up for torque. (44,000 original miles) It comes with a larger radiator (from some chevy product he said). I need and exhaust that drops behind the steering gear box. I don't suppose the front brakes and suspension off 92 Dekota (318 2wd) would fit? Could the motor mount adapter needed for this to bolt up be made at home? I don't know where to even find them. If I could find a picture of what it looks like, I may be able to just make them. I believe I need to get a bigger rear end on it. I don't know what in it. Will the rear leaf springs off a 92 Dekota fit? He said it need rear springs. Any known links online somewhere that would help out? My Google search didn't come up with much. Will the brake booster on the Dekota work. I'm not sure if it comes with one, but I didn't see it when I looked under the hood. I read I may need a smaller one. Need a larger fuel line. Any other info I need that I haven't mentioned yet?
Thank you,
Mark

master hec0
10-01-2006, 09:37 PM
dakota is a truck that wasnt even around in the 70s and well its a truck so its not gonna fit

shark2000
10-01-2006, 10:16 PM
dakota is a truck that wasnt even around in the 70s and well its a truck so its not gonna fit

I thought I'd throw that in as a joke. lol
Can't I make it fit? lol
Big hammer... Bigger hammer..... Even bigger hammer! lol

master hec0
10-01-2006, 10:17 PM
well you could make it fit if u probally sawed em bashed em and wasted hours gettin it to fit but then ud look back at them and they would look like shit and also wouldnt be structural sound

shark2000
10-01-2006, 10:30 PM
well you could make it fit if u probally sawed em bashed em and wasted hours gettin it to fit but then ud look back at them and they would look like shit and also wouldnt be structural sound

As long as it works. That's all that matters.
How about the 4X4 vans and cars? They made it work. How about that Dodge V10 on a bike?
I did use the 92 318 crank and rods on my 77 318. That works fine.

LOL

master hec0
10-01-2006, 10:31 PM
of uf u made a pair outa a dodge dakota id say the weld where you welded then would break

shark2000
10-03-2006, 03:35 AM
So, from what I see, I really need to get the BB K member. I believe this will allow the engine to sit lower with a lower center of balance. From what I can see, the motor mount adapters will raise the engine up about 3 or 4 inches. Will the steering gear box need have room? I know I need the exhaust to drop at the back on the driverís side. It already does on the passenger side. I suppose I will need the heavier torsion bars for the bigger engine? ( I kick my self for selling my 72 charger w/400 BB. Don't listen to women begging you to sell her your car that you don't wont to sell, just because she needs a car! ) Now that the 72 wouldn't need the smog her, I could have torn all that junk off. It was rust free too. I do remember the torsion bars on the 72 were bigger that the ones on this 71 w/318. Can I use stainless steal to do some body repairs? Why don't they use it in the first place? The cars would never rust out. I know some one that was just asking me if I could do any thing with a stainless fridge that he has that doesn't work. I could work the metal to whatever shape I need and weld it in? Right? Will the stainless weld to what's there? Or is the melting temp too different? I don't know.

JustSayGo
10-03-2006, 07:33 AM
You need a B engine K member. The rear ends are the same 8 3/4" RG. Steering gear boxes are the same and bolt to the K member. The exhaust is totally different, nothing will mix. The rear gravel pan is different for dual exhaust. Torsion bars are larger diameter. Rear leafs would be different, and a front stabalizer bar is added. Brakes are larger, both front and rear on R/T's. Wheel size is also larger to fit over the front brakes.

Don't spend any time supposing any part of a Dodge Dakota will fit.

Deloreon used stainless steal. Painting is one problem.

master hec0
10-03-2006, 08:29 AM
stainless steel will paint delorean made 3 painted in the factory i belive they were gold and iv seen people paint them too so painting shouldnt be a problom well it probally will but its do able

shark2000
10-03-2006, 10:18 AM
stainless steel will paint delorean made 3 painted in the factory i belive they were gold and iv seen people paint them too so painting shouldnt be a problom well it probally will but its do able

I saw one on E-bay about a month or two ago that they claimed it was a factory Red. I guess as long as your prep it and prime it, it would work. Primer is ment to stick to anything to make it paintable isn't it? But the other part of that question, Is the melting point close to what's already on the car or not? I've tried to weld two different metals together, where one melts alot cooler than the other, and it's very difficult to fuse them together.

master hec0
10-03-2006, 05:56 PM
im doing welding in my school rite now if im not mistaken stainless steel is like aluminum the inside will melt faster then th eoutside thus makin it hard toweld probally would need a filler metal to try and fuse em together and a flux coating is a must

shark2000
10-03-2006, 08:26 PM
So your saying I would need to braise it in place?

shark2000
10-03-2006, 08:34 PM
Just a note about suspension swapping from other vehicles. I've watch the Rags to Riches shows and other shows where they re-build a car from the frame up, and they showed how they use suspension off of other cars to put disk brakes on say 30's through 50's cars. What would be the simplest front disk swap for this car?

master hec0
10-03-2006, 10:13 PM
i honestly dont know im not a suspenshion wiz hell ididnt even spell that right
and i dont kno what braise means either iv only been welding for 3 weeks so im still learning but if u got use of a arc welder id think that would be the best to fuse the stainless steel with a 6010 stick

master hec0
10-03-2006, 10:20 PM
now i know what it means
Braising is the process of heating another metal than that of the piece at a higher temperature than soldering but lower than welding, so that the added metal forms a hard, strong bond with the base metal. Some materials that can not be welded can be braised - cast iron for example. A common braising material is brass. Because it is done with a metal that melts below the base metal, that places an upper limit on the temp the joint can be exposed to - most will fall apart at glass working temps. Depending on the amount of metal involved, braising can be done with an especially hot propane/air torch (braising torch), with propane/compressed air, propane/oxygen, or oxy/acetylene. Braising equipment can be less costly than welding and requires less eye protection

JustSayGo
10-04-2006, 02:36 AM
I think any Chrysler intermeadiat spindel up to 1978 will fit between your control arms. There were a lot of Polaras. Plenty were used up filming Dukes Of Hazard TV.

shark2000
10-04-2006, 02:51 AM
now i know what it means
Braising is the process of heating another metal than that of the piece at a higher temperature than soldering but lower than welding, so that the added metal forms a hard, strong bond with the base metal. Some materials that can not be welded can be braised - cast iron for example. A common braising material is brass. Because it is done with a metal that melts below the base metal, that places an upper limit on the temp the joint can be exposed to - most will fall apart at glass working temps. Depending on the amount of metal involved, braising can be done with an especially hot propane/air torch (braising torch), with propane/compressed air, propane/oxygen, or oxy/acetylene. Braising equipment can be less costly than welding and requires less eye protection

This looks like it's strait out of the welding book. lol

shark2000
10-04-2006, 02:55 AM
I think any Chrysler intermeadiat spindel up to 1978 will fit between your control arms. There were a lot of Polaras. Plenty were used up filming Dukes Of Hazard TV.

Help! Help! I'm brain dead right now. Can't figure out what the intermediate spindle is. I could look it up, but that would take just as long or longer than if you explained it to me. I'm about ready to go to bed now. I need to start going to bed before 11:00 p.m. lol

master hec0
10-04-2006, 08:53 AM
ya it was straight out of a welding book

JustSayGo
10-04-2006, 12:24 PM
Spindel that comes from any intermediate size Chrysler product that has disc brakes built durng most of the 70's. Once you have the spindels the disc brake parts attatch to it. Some of the intermediate models are Challenger, Roadrunner, Sattelite, Charger, Superbee, Cuda R/T. Baracudas are not intermediate.

shark2000
10-04-2006, 07:19 PM
Okay, spindle. Yah, I got it now. Dahh! So just anything newer than what I have? So the intermediate meaning mid-sized. Yes I understand now.(I was tired when I wrote that. that was 5 minutes before 1 a.m.) Barracuda is a compact? You mentioned Challenger too. I thought the Challenger and Barracuda were the same. I'm guessing they kept the same basic body, but used the mid-sized frame to handle the bb in the Cuda? I don't know that much about all the details of these old cars. I do see on my 1967 Plymouth pages in this booklet I have, that the Barracuda is under the Valiants, so yes they are a compact. But the 70 Challenger and Barracuda look the same. Is the Challenger considered a mid? This link shows the simularities.
http://www.moparponderosa.com/local/local.html
The lines over the back wheel and the grill look to be the biggest differences.

JustSayGo
10-05-2006, 08:13 AM
Baracuda sheetmetal looks somewhat simular yet none of the body pieces are identicle to the Challenger. Duster and Baracuda are 108" W/B and have smaller suspension parts. Challenger is 112" W/B and has the same suspension as the 117" W/B bodies like your Charger. I know the AAR Cuda's use intermediate suspension as well as other added parts specific to the AAR. If Cuda R/T's use intermedeat suspension like I think they do, 340 Cuda R/T's are also intermediat front suspension.

shark2000
10-05-2006, 11:58 PM
This is definitely good information to have. Thank you.

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