who wants this car in the US?


focalBlur
08-26-2001, 01:30 PM
This is at the moment one of the nicest cars in Europe
it's about the size of a VW passat nicer inside then the focus has 145hp (I think but not sure) and gets 40mpg, and has HID headlights
there is also a mondeo s version in the works with close to 180hp

why not bring this over to replace the taurus, after all the taurus is the only reasion we don't have, the mondeo would out sell the taurus by alot after all why would you buy a taurus whne you can have this

http://www.yenifordmondeo.com/images/ana_04.jpg

for more info on this car go to
www.ford.co.uk

Hudson
08-27-2001, 12:33 AM
Why are you so sure the Mondeo would outsell the Taurus? Americans would prefer the bigger Taurus to the smaller Mondeo. Besides, the Mondeo was designed for the European market and would not necessarily appeal to Americans.

xrscooby
10-27-2001, 06:46 AM
The Mondeo ST200 is really about the only one worth having (200BHP 2.5 litre Duratec) although the 170BHP ST24 comes a close second!.

Think the new shape one will be the ST220

Here for ST220

http://st220.com/fms-photos1.htm



Have a look here for ST200....

http://www.geocities.com/tomnor/indexmain.html

G-Forces
10-27-2001, 10:48 AM
Problem is the Mondeo used to be the Contour over here. They stopped selling it because of the Focus. It's a nice car don't get me wrong but Hudson's right....'mericans like their boats and wouldn't know a decent car if it ran them over. :D:D:D

Heep
10-27-2001, 02:08 PM
I'm a HUGE fan of the American SVT Contour. It also has 200 hp like the European ST200. I'm 95% sure my next car will be one.

This is a pic of one, the exterior is factory except for the wheels:

Jimster
11-09-2001, 05:29 PM
The Mondeo is likely to become New Zealands best selling car in the next year, at least 1000 Mondeos have been sold this year...... The Americans just don't know what they are missing

Euro19
01-11-2002, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
The Mondeo is likely to become New Zealands best selling car in the next year, at least 1000 Mondeos have been sold this year...... The Americans just don't know what they are missing

I didn´t know. Quite interesting
I´m pretty sure the Mondeo will be imported to the US with the Mercury badge any time now, not necesarily replacing the Sable.

Euro19
01-11-2002, 01:49 AM
I want one! Just have to wait til the 2001 used lot of Mondeo at Ford dealer around here cause a new one is a bit out of my budget and I tough it would be better than having the new 307. :crying: :argue:

replicant_008
04-14-2002, 07:51 PM
Being a kiwi in New Zealand, I'm fortunate to own a 2002 Ford Mondeo ST. Featuring a 170hp 2.5L Duratec-VE, Traction Control, ESP and EBA.

I don't think the Mondeo will be the best-selling car - but it certainly is the best-selling car in its class (it dominates the 2.0 to 2.5L category).

It has also won 5 NZ Car of the Year awards in 2001 too.

It's certainly a big step up from the previous generation Mondeo (also sold as the Contour in the US). It's a larger car, the styling is decidely Germanic (when I initially got it most folk thought it was an Audi), the interior styling is a major improvement and the overall impression is that the car could be sold for a lot more than its list price.

The handling is definitely a class leader.

The only thing it may lack over the Taurus is a bit of room - in direct comparisons (sedan vs sedan) it is a couple of inches narrower for shoulder room, has slightly more headroom, about the same for legroom and basically shares the same wheelbase.

At the end of the day, it may cannabalise Taurus sales (which is something Ford can't afford) - or it could be positioned to take on the European competitors...

As a guide, it represents excellent value for money (as a European car). The flagship V6 ST goes for NZ $46,700 which is about USD19,150, the midspec 2.0L ZETEC Model goes for about NZ 39,600 or about USD16,236 and the volume sedan goes for Nz 36,800 or about USD 15,088.

For comparison's sake, the VW Passat 2.3V5 Sedan sells for $55,490 or USD $22,750 !!! The only other vehicle that comes close for price and origin is the Holden (Opel) Vectra which is similarly priced but is now a 6 year old design (due for update Q4 '02)

dusty
10-05-2002, 01:28 AM
Gm have definitely fallen behind the 8ball with the current Vauxhall/Holden Vectra and I cant find a photo anywhere of a wagon version of the new one, this car looks a little naff in my opinion. The Ford Mondeo has swept all before it and it will be very interesting to see how the Mazda 6 , Camry and eventually the Vectra will cope. I think the Mazda will be the biggest headache for Ford. The camry wagon is no more and I cant really see the reps clambering to get into the new Avensis which Toyota NZ say is aimed fairly and squarely the the Mondeo.It reminds me of a baby Previa.
Its a shame that our diesel is so poor in quality the the TDCI Mondeo will not be sold here, it has 98 kw and 330nm of torque (yes you read that correctly) which would make 5th gear takeoffs a possibility!! Anyway I love my new Mondeo wagon after suffering the slings and arrows of other reps when I drove the mark one version for three years. They no longer say "poor bugger"under their breath any more.

replicant_008
10-07-2002, 05:48 PM
The ironic thing about the Mazda6 is that in many cases it will sold out of
the same dealerships as the Mondeo in NZ!

It looks as though Ford in this part of the world are positioning
themselves away from Japanese Sourced Vehicles - with the arrival
(finally) of the Focus in early 2003 and possibly the Euro-Fiesta, Ford
will have it's first all non-Japanese passenger car line up in about 20 yrs!

That would be: Ka, Fiesta (replacing Festiva), Focus, Mondeo, Falcon (incl
Fairmont, XR Series, Fairlane, LTD).

With the demise of the Laser (Mazda 323 clone) and Mondeo replacing
Mazda 626, Ford can now position Mazda against Toyota, Honda and
go after GMH here head to head against Barina, Astra, Vectra, Commodore.

ChristopherJ
10-12-2002, 07:10 AM
What 4cyl engines do the Mondeo's get?
Will the Mondeo ever get the 2.3 Mazda 6 Engine?
With Holden selling the Vectra here in December Ford should import the Mondeo, they could even do a FPV version. :)

dusty
10-12-2002, 09:32 PM
Hi Christopher ,
I totally agree with you on the Vectra score, Ford will definitely lose big ground if they dont fill the 2.o litre segment and with the Vectra being built in AU the "Buy Australian made factor "will be hard enough to fight even with the Mondeo let alone without it, I have seen a mock up photo of a Mondeo wagon with plastic body protection and 4 Wd (Jaguar X type running gear) I think this would use 2.5 V6 power or maybe even 3.0L V6 from the ST 220 (only sold in Europe) but I have seen no more gossip on that one.
the Mondeos sold in NZ have the 2.0l Duratech HE engine which bears no resemblance to the Zetec E engine of the old model. It is all alloy and I believe Mazda had a hand in the development of the unit but will not be quoted on that. It makes 107 kw compared to 96 kw for the old unit and weighs around 20kg less than the Zetec unit. Having driven the old model for three years and 140,000 kms I can say that the new model(which mine was replaced with in July) is seemingy from another planet and surely not the same factory. Its not just foot down stuff, its smooth and fairly quiet. Prefers 96 octane or even 98 if you can get it , The 2.3 Mazda engine, I dont know about that one. The Mazda engine makes about 122 kw which is pretty stirring stuff, but we only get the 2.0 L
or the 2.5 Duratech for the ST. The Ford 2 litre engine uses plastic exstensively under the bonnet with the cam covers and inlet manifolds all made from Plastic thus saving weight. A recent posting here suggested Mazda and Ford could in the future share the same floor space at retail level, this is the case in the U.S. where they have one website for Ford products and it covers the lot from Jaguar to Lincoln,Volvo ,Aston Martin etc so thats an interesting idea from the engine sharing point of view.

Stefanel1
12-25-2002, 08:04 PM
Hi,

Do you know a company which would sell "Lexus style rear lights" "Eurolook style rear lights" ou "Altezza style rear lights ? Someone who will come soon on this forum told me to ask here if you would know that ? It would be for a Mondeo.

thanks for him ;)

bruno4
01-01-2003, 10:34 PM
I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments about the Mondeo. I'm English, living in Kansas City Mo. I drive a Duratec SES Taurus (2000) and drove the descibed Mondeo as a Company car for 20 months and 57000 miles.

Therefore I'm well qualified to answer any questions anyone may have.

Briefly, the Mondeo is only 5 inches shorter than the Taurus, and about an inch narrower inside i would say. This latest Mondeo was increased in size from the previous version (that one looked our Contour in the States), because Ford dropped their European large car called the Scorpio and before that the Granada. Therefore, the Mondeo is the largest Ford produced in Europe. (They of course have Jaguar, Volvo etc for the upper end of the market).
Plusses of the Mondeo: Driving position, ride, handling and roadholding, space inside. The engines range from a 1.8 (125 bhp), 2 litre (143 bhp) and the 2.5 Cougar engine, which makes around 170 b.h.p i think. There is also hotter versions up to 200 b.h.p plus. The star engine is the new common rail turbo diesel, which is similar to what i drove. It makes 130 b.h.p, Over 200 lb per foot at around 2000 rpm due to a turbo overboost. It is impossible to get below 45 mpg. We have low sulphur diesel in Europe which will not arrive in the States until 2006. At 90 mph, the engine spimns at 2850 rpm. hit the accelerator and she takes off really well, AND you are still getting around 50 mpg!! Like all diesels, they are noisy on start up and narrow band gearing of course. When fuel costs around $5.30 a gallon they make sense!! Air bags everywhere and they release according to the speed of the crash, also the front headrests jump up if you crash to stop whiplash of the neck. Pyrotechnic seatbelts are good too.

Minuses: The finish inside is terrible, typically Germanic, black plastic evrywhere. The dealers in the U,K "Suck", they are hopeless. Also they have bad reliability problems since they stopped producing cars in the U.K. Nothing serious, just annoying stupid things, like trunk locks not working, rear shields leaking and so on.

I bought my Taurus in November, what a great car, typical 4 valver, rev the engine and it flys. Same type seats as the Mondeo, firm but supportive, good roadholding if you know how to drive front wheel drive cars properly.

Lastly, I have to laugh when the USA mags rave about the new Passat's handling, the Mondeo and Nissan Primera murdered it in road tests. I can't print what they said about the new Camrys ride/handling roadholding combination as it is unprintable!! Still they sell here for other reasons.

Take care guys

Ian

Stefanel1
01-03-2003, 06:17 PM
The Mondeo is the largest Ford produced in Europe because there are not Europeans who want to pay more for a Ford. They'll of course prefer VW, Pug, Renault, Alfa, Lancia, or Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Saab, etc.
But I cought when you meant that Volvo was a ford range. It belongs to Ford, but it's hopefully still Swedish...

bruno4
01-03-2003, 09:01 PM
Hi there Michael,

Give my regards to Paris, my wife and i know it well, it is our favourite city, except for the drivers who as you know drive like lunatics of course!!

Volvo is 100% owned by Ford. They still make them in Sweden, as Jaguar, Aston Martin and Mazda are made in the U.K and Japan. But the idea is to share platforms, example, the Mazda 6, Mondeo and X type Jaguar use the same basic platform with variations, such as size etc. But the profits go back to the States of course. The Jaguar S type and Lincoln LS also use the same platform and these 2, along with Ford’s Mustang use Jag’s 4 litre V8 engine in various states of tune.

Regarding larger Ford cars, Ford had in the U.K the largest share of the market for the Granada/Scorpio until they redesigned it in the mid 90's. The new shape put everyone off it, just as the '96 Taurus redesign did in States, and Ford lost a market share for this sector overnight.

In the U.K, only Jaguar, Mercedes, BMW and Audi are popular now with the luxury sector. Volvo and Saab no more due to not replacing their ranges soon enough. Pug’s are no different from Ford and Alfa’s have the usual Italian quality control problems.The Omega has a good name, but people do not want to pay a lot of money for a Vauxhall/Opel badge. In the U.K unfortunately, people care more about the badge on their car instead of how the car drives etc.

Over 60% of car sales in the U.K go to Companies for their employees which is why Ford are number 1.2 & 3 with the Focus, Fiesta and Mondeo because they discount them heavily. By the way how is the Bel-Satis selling in France? this looks even worse than the Scorpio.

Kind regards

Ian

Stefanel1
01-04-2003, 11:07 AM
Parisian drivers are a funny and I like to drive there, but that's just my point of view ;)

Volvo is owned by Ford, but to me Volvo is still Swedish, it's not American, as Chrysler is not German, Mack not French, etc. If you speak economically, why not, but isn't it better to see cars as Cars (in the noble sense) ?
But I'm agree with you for the rest. Still, I don't like the fact that a Jag has the same platform as a Ford, or the same motor. Where is the soul of this fabulous English make ? A Mercedes has not a platform of a Chrysler and vice versa.
Peugeot is not Ford (or Opel), it's better and i don't say that because I'm French, look on the capacities of them. But I must conceed that Ford is better than 5 or 1ŕ years ago. A Mondeo, A Focus, are far better than a Sierra or an Escort.
Alfa Romeo made big improvements in reliability and built quality. They have now to change their image. They're selling more and more each year.

The Vel Satis is an excellent car. The design is very original, you like or you dislike. Personnally, I'm not a fan, but some people really like it. And inside, it worth a Mercedes. Classical enough and well built. Very comfy, noiseless, good handling. A Scorpio had not these qualities. The sales are good, it's the 2d luxury car sold in France behind the 607 (E Class : 3rd, 5 Series : 4th, A6 : 5th).

And Happy new year !

integra818
01-15-2003, 12:12 AM
Would does the mondeo do in the 0-400m??? I ask this to find out if it can compete with the altima/accord. There are definatly people here in America who would buy this car. By the way, how big is it?

bruno4
01-16-2003, 10:11 AM
Hi There,

The Mondeo is around 188 inches long, 5 inches shorter than a Taurus.

The acceleration depends upon which engine you choose. In the U.K, it ranges from 125 bhp to over 200bhp. We have 4 7 6 cylinder gas engines and a 2 litre turbo diesel (130 bhp)

According to the reports you read, very little can live with the Mondeo on the UK roads, offering a superb balance of ride and roadholding. The UK Accord is different to the USA version in looks and engines. We have 1.8 (134 bhp) and a 2 litre (144 bhp) and no V6. It handles well apparently but this, along with the Passast and the Camry (which does not sell at all well in the UK due to its bad handling record) are no match for the Mondeo. Having drove one for nearly 2 years and 57000 miles. The plusses are driving fun, great handling and ride, comfort and space. Minuses are Ford's dealers who are hopeless for service, cheap nasty interior and overall, unreliable say compared to Honda and Toyota. Although mine was fine, i had few problems with it, Ford have a bad problem in the UK overall, particularly with the Focus, stupid litle things, like rear tailgate won't close, rear windshield leaks etc. But they are fantastic cars to drive. Try www.whatcar.com there will be road tests here for you to read.

Regards Ian

integra818
01-17-2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by bruno4
...Camry (which does not sell at all well in the UK due to its bad handling record) ...Regards Ian

:hehe: :spit: :cwn27: :toothless :lol2: :huh: :hehehe: :eek2: :eek:


That would never happen in America. A car not selling becasue becasue it has bad handleing, well, in American roads (well at least L.A), you don't turn very much so theres no complaining about the handleing, plus, the people who usually buy camry's in America are people in thier mid 40's, and THEY'RE deffinatly not gonna complain about the handleing. That's what I like about European drivers so much, 99% are great drivers and don't sleep on the road.

P.S, I was in a car crash about 4 hours ago becasue of stupid drivers in America, it totally was'nt my fault, car is totalled, other guy doesnt have insurance, My dad is pissed off :devil:

Sorry for the long post :alien2:

Ran
01-17-2003, 05:23 AM
i think the 307 is nicer. (not beacuse i have one...........:D )

SuPeRcAr_MaN
01-17-2003, 10:36 PM
I think it would be a smart desicion by Ford to bring these cars to the US. It owuld easily outseel most Ford models, maybe even the Taurus. Whoever said Americans like boats and wouldn't know a good car if it hit them, you don't know what you are talking about. It is just that besides in big rich towns and cities, there are no nice car dealerships. Where I live, the only dealerships we have are Dodge, Chevy, Ford, and Suburu. I know I live in a shitty town, but I think the beautiful cars here are limited comapred to Italy, England, Germany, etc.

Stefanel1
01-18-2003, 08:09 AM
The surprising thing is that you had the prévious Mondéo (the Contour) and you won't have the new one which is far more better.

123 : the 307 is not sold in the US....

Jimster
02-26-2003, 01:20 AM
The reason that the new Mondeo is nit sold in the US comes down to the fact the Contour sold so poorly- same reason the Mondeo is not sold in Australia (The last one sold just as poorly) The Mondeo is simply too small to be classed a family car in America- sad but true.

zackiedawg
03-03-2003, 01:24 PM
Much of the reason for the comparisons between the Mondeo and the Passat are because of how related the two cars are.

The Mondeo was specifically redesigned to compete with the Passat, which upon its debut both in Europe and in America became one of the design darlings, and moved fit, finish, and material quality far above much of the competition. The Passat redesign in 1997 made it a strong seller worldwide, and it quickly became the target car of most manufacturers (Ford, Nissan, and Honda both admit to tearing down several Passats to see how they were built, and keeping one on hand as a target for their designers and engineers to aim for while redesigning their Mondeo, Accord and Altima, respectively).

Of course, the other major similarity is that the Passat and Mondeo were designed by the same person. Volkswagen's top designer, who penned the Passat, New Beetle, Jetta IV and Golf IV, as well as the Audi A6 and TT, was bribed over to Ford, where he penned the European-market Mondeo in question, as well as the retro-Thunderbird and upcoming Mustang redesign.

The Mondeo is blatantly designed in the Passat's mold, with almost identical proportions, roofline, glass area, etc. This is a good thing, as the Passat is a strong design with excellent safety and aerodynamics, while retaining good interior room and a pleasing, Bauhaus design appearance.

The American drivers are divided...some appreciate good cars, and import car sales are very strong in certain states and cities. The midwestern states tend to "buy American", while many older drivers are looking for a car which they don't notice...a Taurus, Camry, Lumina, Buick, etc are all forgettable cars which ride soft and do their job without raising the pulse, and this is exactly what those buyers want. A Mondeo with a Taurus badge would sell better than if it were to keep its name (the Countour name did not help the previous generation Mondeo sell here)...but the typical Taurus buyers would be put off by the tighter suspension, more noise from the engine and road, tighter steering, etc. This brings the car too much to their attention.

The Americans who buy European cars already would probably find the Mondeo interesting, but this creates another quandry. Many American buyers of European cars would not want to drive a car badged "Ford" because they tend to be strongy anti-American in their car buying sentiments. Even though the Mondeo would be a European car, many would eschew it simply because of the Ford badge.

bruno4
03-03-2003, 07:02 PM
Hi There,

Enjoyed your informative article on the Mondeo. Do you own a W8? Is so, what the hell for when speeds rarely go above 70 in this Country? Not like the UK where I come from where they drive a lot faster on the Motorways/Interstates.

I had a Mondeo in the U.K. I have not driven the new Passat, but apparently, it was blown out by the Mondeo, Renault Laguna and Nissan Primera due to its stodgy handling.ride combination (see Autocar.com or whatcar.com). One area where the Mondeo does copycat the Passat is its dreary drab interior. In true German style, it is black plastics ville.....The Passat of course holds its value better than most because as we all know. VW's last and last. BUT in the UK, spare parts are really expensive and often not available for weeks. My daughter had a mark 2 1300 Golf and it took us 3 weeks to get an overflow pipe for a radiator..., A VW is a sensible choice if you are a private buyer, but not for the 60% of Brits who have Company cars like I did where comfort roadholding and handling are so important, move over Passat....Would Mondeo sell here? Probably not when everyone seems obseessed with pick-up trucks with rear suspension springs straight form a Wells Fargo stage coach, and SUV's with their abissmal handling and fuel consupmtion. Apparently the next thing is a crossover vehicle like the Nissan Murano or Volvo XC90. I thought a crossover was a drag artist finally coming out of the closet!!! Take care

Ian

Stefanel1
03-04-2003, 03:43 AM
Indeed, in the States you can't drive fast, but the radars detectors are not forbidden, maybe zackiedawg has one ;)

bruno4
03-04-2003, 07:01 AM
Hi Michael,

And how is Paris today? I would like to retire there one day....

Hey, I keep seeing your Lancia badge. Why don't you start a Lancia thread. To me Vincente Lancia was a genius. He was so far ahead of his time, right up there with Andre Citroen.
My favourite "Fiat" Lancia is the Delta Integrale which re-wrote handling and roadholding rules, but prior to Fiat, the Flaminia and Fulvias were fantastic cars.

If you go back either further we could talk all day about the pre-post war cars like the Aprillia (Spelling may be arong here).

Regards from Kansas City

Ian

zackiedawg
03-04-2003, 08:59 AM
Ian, Yes I wish I could fully unleash my car upon the roadways of Germany whence the car was born...but I am stuck here in the states. By the way, I too am a transplanted Brit, though a few years earlier than you (My parents moved here when I was only 5!). I was born in Cambridge.

Anyway, there is more to going fast than top speed. I love the acceleration from the W8, and enjoy it often. Freeway speeds are limited mostly to no more than 70, though the flow of traffic usually goes above 80, and you can often go much faster if you are courageous. I do have a radar detector system...Escort SR2, which is built in with front and rear receivers, laser detection, measures up to 8 different incoming signals simultaneously, and even has laser shifting to falsify readings (not illegal as it is not governed by FCC like radar is). I have made occasional brief forays into the triple digit areas on abandoned roads running through our swamp lands.

As for the drab black plastic interiors...I actually prefer them. I dislike cars with too much going on inside, and with too much brightwork on the dash. I have always preferred Teutonic interiors for their understatedness, while still being assembled from top-notch materials and excellent build quality.

Remember too that the W8 drives better than the stock Passat, and the US also does not receive the "stripped-down" base models that they get over the pond...those base models have very meager acceleration, and very soft suspensions. Even the base US model is a step above the base model from England. And the W8 adds a fully independent double wishbone rear suspension and All Wheel Drive, which makes a drastically different feel in the steering, handling,and body sway over the other Passats. Having owned a GLX sedan with V6 and front wheel drive, the difference is quite significant - I do prefer to connect to my car, and enjoy the sensation of driving (as opposed to commuting). I find the W8 to be an excellent driver's car which can also substitute as a great business car and a wonderful trip vehicle.

Here in Florida, VWs are very popular (we have the nation's #1 VW volume dealer right here in Coconut Creek Florida), so parts and support are easy to come by, and service has been excellent in my 4 years of owning VWs.

I am not thrilled with any of the "crossover" vehicles...I am sick of hearing that over-used word to describe cars with jacked up bubble-pod bodies. But I suppose I would rather have the little blond yuppie soccer mom gabbing on the cell phone whilst doing her makeup in the visor mirror at 60MPH in a Murano than in an Expedition! So here's to hoping that crossovers at least become popular enough to remove from the roads the ridiculous 3-ton behemoths designed to carry 8 people and tow the Golden Gate bridge, but being used by 93-pound Barbie to drop off 4 year old, 34-pound Kimmie at ballet class!

Stefanel1
03-04-2003, 11:35 AM
>Bruno4 : hi !

How is Paris : if you mean the weather, it's... grey today ! But the spring is coming, at least.
For your retirment, it's nice but I think the best is the south of France (Nice, Menton, Marseilles) because the weather is better... But, it's like that, when you're in London (or in Kansascity) you dream of Paris, and when you're in Paris you dream of Monaco, Nice of Florida and the sun !! We're never satisfacted... oh, my life, my life... :D

I put this Lancia badge because I've a Delta... original, isn't it ?! But it's far to be the Integrale (alas for the performances, hopefully for the reliablitity and the price !). And I'll change it for an Alfa, a BMW or a Peugeot at the end of the year. We'll see.
But we could continue about Lancia on the... Lancia section ;)

And for the driving in the States, I had the impression, that it was very different from the States (I went in Florida, Virginia, California, Nevada an NY).
In New York they are not too slow, but in Virginia and Florida, they are very scary (... because they don't drive enough fast !). But I'm maybe wrong as zackiedawg is saying that you can drive fast.
A,d in England it's not so good, there are cops everywhere, and plus, they drive on the wrong side of the road :D ;) Seriously, I think Germany is the best because the limits are not as stupid as in other countries (especially on the free-speed highways). It is funny to drive in France of Italy but the police is really stupid, you can find a radar on an highway with nobody on it, and if you drive over 160kmh (100 mph), you'll have a fine, and you won't have problems in Paris if you pass a red light, and all parisian drivers do it... and it's worse in Italy ! :D

Finally for the radar detectors, you're lucky in the USA and (I'm sure) in the UK being able to have it.

dusty
07-31-2003, 05:03 AM
Hello fellow car dudes, I have a Mondeo estate (Wagon) 2 litre and had the previous model well....previously. The old car seemed okay when I had it , a bit slow but wound out well on the highway. It handled very well (also a wagon) but was not terribly well put together. I did 135,000kms in 3 years and it never let me down, did not even need a new battery. The new one is a totally different kettle of fish and made the old car seem like a dog, fair enough its not an Audi or a VW but here in NZ it is pretty good value for money and copes well with the rugged geography and twisty roads. It is still regarded as the best steering car in its class when compared to mazda 6, latest vectra, and honda accord euro. They have all come close ,Mazda and Honda closest of all but for steering feel and composure on difficult tracks it still rates as one of the best drivers cars and I would not trade it for anything from Japan (maybe the euro accord if I had to) or a V6 Mondeo wagon (available in UK or Europe only) we only get the 2.5 V6 sport version the ST. The ST220 is supposed to arrive here in the next couple of months and by all accounts the chassis could handle plenty more power which hopefully is Fords plan, We will see.

zackiedawg
08-02-2003, 02:40 AM
Dusty,

congratulations on your Mondeo Estate (wagon, variant, avant, etc)!

I was very pleased with Ford's redesign of the Mondeo to the current design, finding it to be a vast improvement over the prior version (not that it was bad). I rented one last time I was in England, and was quite pleasantly surprised how similarly it looked and felt to my Passats, and it did have excellent steering and good brakes too. The back seat even felt a bit roomier than the Passats.

Unfortunately, Ford has not graced our shores with this car (they always keep the best American cars for European and other World markets!!), so if we want a Ford wagon, we have to choose the smaller Focus or the uninspiring and long-in-the-tooth Taurus. Meanwhile, Europeans get the Ford Mondeo, Ka, and Escort Cosworth, Opels, Peugeots, Citroens, Fiats, Lancias, Alfa Romeos, and others...plus you all down under get the fast-hauling Holdens.

I have been very happily testing the W8's limits here in the states. Stefanel, you mentioned having visited Florida and finding drivers slow and dangerous...you're right! But you can find certain roads that allow you to travel at better speeds. In South Florida, there are a few highways that have some wide open, unpopulated stretches of road which are not usually monitored by police, and you can open up a car here. I have had my W8 to 125MPH for a few long stretches, and it is just coming into its element at that speed...the car actually begins to feel MORE comfortable and stable at higher speeds.

If you come to Florida again, send me an e-mail...I can let you know where are the best places to go, and to avoid the terrible drivers! Maybe even meet you for a drink to say hello to an international car enthusiast like myself!!

dusty
08-02-2003, 05:30 AM
125 mph ? I think your W8 would be barely raising a sweat at that speed and as you say, the faster you travel the smoother and quieter it will become, just a question, my brother and I were discussing the W8 today and I am hoping that someone can explain the W8 layout to a dummy like me? I think I read somewhere that it is 2 V5s with a cylinder lopped off and then sort of "splined "together but that sounds kinda wayout to me , any clarification would be appreciated.

zackiedawg
08-03-2003, 12:56 AM
Sure...what you said you heard isn't quite right, but not too far off.

You may be familiar with VW's now-famous VR6 engine. This engine has been around for over a decade, and is a narrow angle V6 (think of a 'V' with less space in between).

VW took two of these VR6 engines, and removed two cylinders from each...resulting essentially in two VR4 engines. They then joined these two engines longitudinally to eachother. The resulting layout is two narrow angle "V"s side-by-side, or a "VV"...hence the name, W8.

VW has a range of these engines using the same technique...In the 2001 Audi A8s, a W12 engine was available (two VR6s together), and the W12 is available in Volkswagen's Phaeton luxury car. Also, the W12 with turbochargers attached will be powering the new Bentley Continental GT coupe debuting this fall (VW owns Bentley). And finally, the Bugatti Veyron supercar will be running a W16 with 4 turbochargers (oh my God!) turning 1000HP.

Hope that helps!

Oh, and at 125 MPH, the W8 is turning at 3400RPM on the tach...with redline at 6800, there was definately PLENTY of room to go. VW has speed limiters on their engines in the US that cut you off at 130...but certain people know how to remove those limiters. :wink:

dusty
08-03-2003, 02:15 AM
Thanks for the reply, the Bugatti sounds pretty scary. In WW2 a company in GB called Napier made an engine called the Sabre and it was used in the Hawker Typhoon fighter, it had an H 24 which was 4 rows of six cylinders arranged in an H layout horizontally opposed and driving 2 crankshafts, I guess it was like 2 x 12 cylinder boxer engines, 1 stacked on top of the other one. It had a (for the time) high rev limit of 3750 rpm and sleeve valves along with around 2,000 HP this turned out (after some patch ups ) to be a better engine than the Rolls Royce model , the Vulture. This was an X24 and comprised 2 x 12 cylinder engines joined base to base and driving a common cranksaft. The engine turned out to be a total dog and was scrapped along with the Tornado fighter and the Manchester Bomber (which became the Lancaster with 4x RR Merlins, arguably the best heavy bomber of WW2 when payload is taken into account) The Buggatti sounds like its engine should be used for an aircraft rather than a car. So engines geeks have been dicking around with motors for many years it would seem with some very interesting results. When you compare the Litres/KW it would be an interesting exercise, a RR Griffon aero engine (V12 and 36 litres) pumped out around 2,000 HP with two speed / 2 stage supercharging how does the BUG engine compare for capacity and output? I know the dragster fraternity have strapped Packard Merlins etc into their go karts , now that would be a wild ride!! Only in a straight (hopefully) line though. Now a W8 Passat would be a dream car to me (So would a Falcon XR6 Turbo) , your a 4tunate guy.

zackiedawg
08-04-2003, 03:43 PM
I believe I recall the Bugatti engine being 8.0 liters. They could probably develop something like it for aircraft use...maybe increase it to 12 or 16 liters to go for the big-bore torque (not that 800 Ft Lbs is too shabby!).

There are definately some interesting hybrids floating around out there...I have heard about the Packard transplants and other strange hot rods...

One of the strangest is the MTT Y2K, of which there are a rare few floating around. Not sure if you have these down your way...this is a turbine-powered motorcycle made of carbon fiber, and using a Rolls Royce Allison 25O-C18 helecopter turbine. It runs around 320HP and 425Ft Lbs of torque in its detuned state, and has been modified to run on any form of fuel (though it reaches peak performance on jet fuel). Jay Leno bought one! You have to be careful not to tailgate one if you happen to see it, as the exhaust is hot enough to melt the plastic bumpers off your car!

Crazy.

tanirdriver
09-16-2003, 01:27 PM
"The Mondeo is simply too small to be classed a family car in America- sad but true"

Well the carbody is slightly shorter than that of the Taurus but the wheelbase is exactly identical (2.75 metres). Incidentally the Renault Laguna and the Citroën C5 also have a 2.75-metre long wheelbase.

In fact the Taurus, the Mondeo and the Falcon share the same platform but have different bodies. In particular there aren't any Taurus or Falcon liftbacks sold, which I think is a good thing because I find Mondeo liftbacks horrible.


Regards,


Tanir

replicant_008
09-16-2003, 04:44 PM
[FONT=arial black][I]In fact the Taurus, the Mondeo and the Falcon share the same platform but have different bodies. In particular there aren't any Taurus or Falcon liftbacks sold, which I think is a good thing because I find Mondeo liftbacks horrible.

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Where did you get that information from... because it's blatantly wrong.
The Falcon is an Australian rear wheel drive platform that has its origins in the 1960s vintage US Falcon compact. It uses a longitudinal mounted inline six (aka Barra) which is manufactured in Australia with a iron block and the chassis features a wishbone front end and up until very recently a live rear axle. The chassis is unique and is used nowhere else in the world but recently uses a version of the control blade IRS rear end.

The Taurus uses a transverse mounted front wheel drive platform using the mainly the all alloy Duratec V6 as its powerplant. The front end of a Taurus uses a Mac-Strut arrangement.

The European Mondeo chassis is a separate platform altogether. It uses mainly transverse mounted Duratec HE all alloy inline four cylinder powerplants powering the front wheels although there is a turbodiesel and sporting versions using the Duratec V6. The current chassis has been shared with other vehicles, Jaguar X-Type which is predominantly all wheel drive although there is a front wheel drive version in some markets. An earlier Mondeo platform was used in the Ford Cougar and the Ford Contour in the US but it is definitely not shared with the Taurus.

tanirdriver
10-10-2003, 05:10 AM
Of course I used the wrong terms. Sorry for that.

What I meant was "the three cars are in the same category from a social/aesthetical point of view". I didn't mean to talk in technical terms. I mean that the Falcon, Mondeo and Taurus are three examples of sleek mid-level cars made by Ford around the world. The fact that the 2001 Mondeo has got a wheelbase that is as long as that of the Taurus makes it look almost as impressive as its American counterpart even though the carbody is 30 cm shorter.


Regards,


Tanir

turbotamer
11-03-2003, 02:18 PM
What 4cyl engines do the Mondeo's get?
Will the Mondeo ever get the 2.3 Mazda 6 Engine?
With Holden selling the Vectra here in December Ford should import the Mondeo, they could even do a FPV version. :)


The Modndeo in england 4 cylinder is either a 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0 and there is a 4 cylinder diesel too I found some info at www.mondeosport.com/forum

Ford Mondeo ST220
07-15-2004, 03:44 AM
Mondeo ST220 is the best car i have ever owned!!
I bought the mine in june its a 2004 model brand new. A litle about the car.
Its preformance blu with a black lether interior by Recaro and all the extras.
The engin is 3 litrs and 226 Bhp. Swaybars and sport springs and dampers. This car is relay a car for tight corners and hard braking. 18" weels standard in Sweden.

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