Sick of mopars

Im about ready to take my avenger and push the thing off a cliff. (But then i think damn no cliffs in minnesota) So a good old fashioned bulldozer will be nice.

But seriously i found a 1993 supra for 5789.00 383miles away. Its the Turbo and all that jazz. Though im thinking about buying it i found an 1993 celica with low miles for 2300.00, and a 1989 300zx turbo for 1500.

Im just sick of mopars i got a perfect 318 with brand new internals that i no longer look at. Im just sick of everyone who drives Dodges i hear nothing but its got a hemi around here. So i wanna buy something that no one really sees around here.

I just figured id rant about how mopars suck but some opinions on the 3 cars i listed would be really nice too:icon16:

Right. 1993 (MKIV) Supra for under 6K. Are you positive it isn't a 1992?

Does it look like this:
http://deron.meranda.us/about/supra.jpg

Or this:
http://www.shellfront.org/rootrider/digicam/supra/supra.jpg

If it looked like the first one, you better hurry up, because unless it looks like the car Brian Spilner towed into Toretto's shop (in which case the motor alone will cost half the price you quoted), then either someone will be snatching it up REAL fast, someone's scamming you, or you are making it up.

Right. 1993 (MKIV) Supra for under 6K. Are you positive it isn't a 1992?

Does it look like this:
http://deron.meranda.us/about/supra.jpg

Or this:
http://www.shellfront.org/rootrider/digicam/supra/supra.jpg

If it looked like the first one, you better hurry up, because unless it looks like the car Brian Spilner towed into Toretto's shop (in which case the motor alone will cost half the price you quoted), then either someone will be snatching it up REAL fast, someone's scamming you, or you are making it up.


Agreed.

Also Mopars are good for one thing: Boost leaks.

don't bash dodge just because people are hemi addicts..... if the car runs well and you don't have a problem with it... be happy... there are those of us that on a weekly basis have to do one thing or another to keep the car running. the 300zx is kinda old though don't you think? i'd aim for 95+ 300zx if you considered one.

^kiss my ass lol. I've got an 89 300zx, and it's wonderfull... lightning boost response, factory LSD, all the luxury features you could ever ask for, great looks... I could keep going, but I'll let this picture do the talking... okay I can't find the picture becuase it isn't being hosted anymore, but if you go to this site, it's all about a guy with a z31 cutting 9 second E.T.'s with the STOCK transmission ----> http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-300ZX-Timeslip-365.html


My point is is that the z's are easily to modify and are pretty damn reliable too... all of those cars that you listed sound nice though too, so good luck..

P.S. my dad had a 72' dart and swapped a 318 in it... that thing really haulled ass, and he's never got any of that HEMI bullshit. We've got 2 mopars in our garage, not to mention the fact that we've always been loyal to mopars. A new car is nice, but I just don't think you should turn your back on mopars completely. Again, good luck!

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don't bash dodge just because people are hemi addicts..... if the car runs well and you don't have a problem with it... be happy... there are those of us that on a weekly basis have to do one thing or another to keep the car running. the 300zx is kinda old though don't you think? i'd aim for 95+ 300zx if you considered one.

seeing as how he has a dsm it probably isnt to reliable, or it might not be for long. i agree with him on the hemi thing though, every company has hemis, but they dont make a big deal out of it. the ford 429 is a hemi... but you never hear anyone makin a big deal out of it.

The new hemi's ain't got the nuts of the old ones...

all i'm saying is that my j has the same engine as the z na and it's solid, however the age is starting to show on the car.... i had an 88 ford that ran forever, however if reliability is your thing, aim for a newer car, that's all i meant. I'd take a 89 in a sec if someone gave one to me.... from one nissan owner to another, i love the vg30de, but if you had an option to get an 89 or a 96 for the same price... you'd be a fool to get the 89.

Im posotive its a 1993+ its actually a 1995 http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=198735358&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=9&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-500%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-56171&aff=national

Theres the really long ass link

Its damaged in the back so i cant buy it parents and all. But hey if someone want to buy it jump on it

My opinion, and please don't get offended, just take it for what it's worth. IMO, if you are still at an age where your parents have a say in your purchasing decisions, a 300+hp early 90s turbo sports car probably isn't the best route to go.

They aren't cheap to own, insure, maintain, fill with gas, and it's ALOT of power stock and take to mods like kids take to candy. Basically all my thoughts and reasons are in this thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=508150).

all i'm saying is that my j has the same engine as the z na and it's solid, however the age is starting to show on the car.... i had an 88 ford that ran forever, however if reliability is your thing, aim for a newer car, that's all i meant. I'd take a 89 in a sec if someone gave one to me.... from one nissan owner to another, i love the vg30de, but if you had an option to get an 89 or a 96 for the same price... you'd be a fool to get the 89.

How so, the 96 didn't come with VVT, and from almost all standpoints is deemed unmodifiable... plus, I'd like to see a heavy ass z32 fit all the shit I fit in mine, get 300+crank HP with less than 1K invested, and still get 28MPG on the highway (I've been attaining that quite frequently). Jeez, 300 crank HP with 2k RPM boost response is just as quick as a stock z32TT yet I can still get better gas mileage... the only reason I'd take a z32 over a z31 is in the looks dept, which isn't by much IMO... I just think that you're over-looking z31's and aren't giving them as much credit as they deserve; IMO, you'd be a damned fool to take the 96 over the 89.


IMO go with the 89, but the celica would also be a nice choice

Im posotive its a 1993+ its actually a 1995 http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=198735358&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=9&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-500%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-56171&aff=national

Theres the really long ass link

Its damaged in the back so i cant buy it parents and all. But hey if someone want to buy it jump on it


Dude... you know, if you can or know someone who can do body work and the back isn't all that bad, fix it and sell it for lots more $$$ than it's worth... I mean all supra's are like at least 20K from what I've seen on autotrader in my area. Sounds like a great opportunity to me mang, but good luck...

Well i know of alot of vehicles some about 45minutes away. 2 89rx-7s and a integra with a vtec for 500$. I cant buy the supra the rents wont let me cuz i have to get something that runs and isnt messed up to bad. Its unfair but i can deal with it for now.

From the looks of it I won't ever be buying a Supra. It's freaking $20K for a 93 model with 120K miles on it. Like dude, that's just plain stupid to pay that much for that old of a car with that many miles. I'll wait a couple years until the C6 Z06 is 30K, and build it up to decimate a supra, not like it can't stock anyways.

I just think it's ridiculous how expensive the Supra is. I can't believe people are still paying over $20K for a car over 10 years old w/ over 100K miles, which originally costed $45K new. STUPID!!!!!

3 Words 'Trust Fund Babies' The rich whiggers who watched way to much of the fast and the furious. Thats why the supra is so high because they all want to street racing truck thieves.

I just figured id rant about how mopars suck but some opinions on the 3 cars i listed would be really nice too:icon16:
Too bad your car isn't a Mopar, it's a Mitsubishi.

Also, we're not all Hemi touting morons.

Honestly, I think they all suck..Chevy, Ford, Dodge but only when they break down. I work on all makes n models so... But as I've said before, preventative maintenance is the key..

Too bad your car isn't a Mopar, it's a Mitsubishi.

Also, we're not all Hemi touting morons.

Hmm well what about my 318 bud? thats mopar and i hate that.

Hmm well what about my 318 bud? thats mopar and i hate that.
I don't know, what about your 318 bud? You didn't say what you didn't like about it. All you said is that it is perfect with new internals, which didn't sound like a problem to me.

my overall problem with the thing is it has to much hype. It comes out of an old muscle car and everyone (in my area) assumes the thing it a freaking king of the road. Woopty its an old V8 lotta good it does if the freaking thing gets like maybe 14 mpg.
Nope give me a toyota or something like that conserves fuel and is an easy thing to mod. This 318 is bored 30 over and is just a bitch when it breaks down drove it one time a couple years ago needs the heads rebuilt. I think i shall turn to the japanese market. Find me a subaru or something like that.

on another note found an evo for 7900$ rally edition to. Automatic not really what i want to bad too i wouldve maybe thought about buying it.

on another note found an evo for 7900$ rally edition to. Automatic not really what i want to bad too i wouldve maybe thought about buying it.


It's not an Evo. It's a Lancer with the OZ Rally package.

^^Which are reeeeeally slow, even Mitsubishi said they were a joke, just something to try hold off Subaru and the public until the Evo came to the US.

lol you heard my opinoin, get the z!!! Ohh and 13MPG for a 318 is awesome, my dad was getting 9 mpg in the dart after his 318 swap.

my overall problem with the thing is it has to much hype. It comes out of an old muscle car and everyone (in my area) assumes the thing it a freaking king of the road. Woopty its an old V8 lotta good it does if the freaking thing gets like maybe 14 mpg.
Nope give me a toyota or something like that conserves fuel and is an easy thing to mod. This 318 is bored 30 over and is just a bitch when it breaks down drove it one time a couple years ago needs the heads rebuilt. I think i shall turn to the japanese market. Find me a subaru or something like that.

Well, to each his own. Hell, I have a Mopar and a Mitsubishi. Just remember that we aren't all tools. :wink:

It's not an Evo. It's a Lancer with the OZ Rally package.


shhhhh let him think that and let him get it and think it's faster than his mopar:lol: j/k j/k

wait wait, your complaining about your avenger? Not really a mopar performance car.... or any kind of performance car for that matter...As for the 318 you probably should have gone 440 :grinyes:

^lol, did you know that if you send away your 440 to some company they'll put HEMI heads on it and turn it into like a 472 HEMI or something like that... it's madness I tell you, but my dad wants to do it for our charger.

Fuck that. Just buy the crate 540 Hemi from Mopar.

you know what is funny about those dodge avengers...

they had mitsu motors in them...

:rofl:

oh yeah, and chevy small block 400 ftw

Fuck that. Just buy the crate 540 Hemi from Mopar.

Huh?

The biggest factory Hemi that I know of is the 528. Also, don't be so hard on the 318. It was a great truck motor, trust me.

I loved the 318 in my 97 Ram.

Huh?

The biggest factory Hemi that I know of is the 528. Also, don't be so hard on the 318. It was a great truck motor, trust me.

From http://www-5.mopar.com/muscle/whatshot1005.htm ...

Mopar 540 Aluminum Hemi® crate engine — 650 to 900+ horsepower The Mopar 540 Aluminum Hemi crate engine is built for pro street or the racer who wants the horsepower and durability of a race engine and the drivability of a street engine. Available in carbureted or supercharged versions, it can produce 900+ horsepower, depending on induction. This Hemi is a fully water-jacketed motor with a streetable cam shaft, and it’s made with an all-aluminum block that’s stronger and lighter than cast iron. This Aluminum Hemi is also available in a completely polished version for the extreme show car enthusiast.

From http://www-5.mopar.com/muscle/whatshot1005.htm ...

All I can say is, HOLY CRAP!

looks like it comes supercharged ^.

my uncle has a 81 ram with a 360 in it with a 4 barrel... that could quite possibly get the worst gas milage ive ever seen.

Dodge is just trying to keep up with the GM 572 Crate... 620hp on 'pump gas'. :D

Dodge is just trying to keep up with the GM 572 Crate... 620hp on 'pump gas'. :D

since im a ford guy and all... i just have to mention their 520 with 625hp on pump gas. funny thing is that i think theres a more powerful version of it available too.

I loved the 318 in my 97 Ram.

Man, I had an '86 Ram w/ a 318 single barrel and a granny low 4 speed. I drove it until 200,000 miles, then rebuild it because it was carboned up(running on). All I did was hone the cylinders, slap new rings in and new bearings and pulled a race car for another 150,000. I saw it a year ago pulling a race car...

^ The only thing that stopped the 318 on my Dodge was a tree that the guy I sold it to ran into. And even then it still ran I guess....lol

Ouch:banghead:...That musta sucked..for him anyway.

since im a ford guy and all... i just have to mention their 520 with 625hp on pump gas. funny thing is that i think theres a more powerful version of it available too.
since im a chevy guy and all, id like to mention that there is a more powerful version of the 572 with over 700 horses

Dodge is just trying to keep up with the GM 572 Crate... 620hp on 'pump gas'. :D

Ahh, I'll just take the Motown "World Class Street Engine" 454 SMALL BLOCK (that's right, mouse motor) that makes 600 hp :evillol:.


About the 318 Dodge engine, all the Mopar guys always brag on it about being pretty dependable. Plus I've always heard that was Dodge's best engine.

I know the 94-whenever they stopped making them were as bad on gas as the 360s from the same time, which were horrible, lol. And as far as being in trucks, neither one of them seem to have the power the 350s of the time did, even though on paper, they were rated higher in hp and tq. untill 96.

About the 318 Dodge engine, all the Mopar guys always brag on it about being pretty dependable. Plus I've always heard that was Dodge's best engine.

I know the 94-whenever they stopped making them were as bad on gas as the 360s from the same time, which were horrible, lol. And as far as being in trucks, neither one of them seem to have the power the 350s of the time did, even though on paper, they were rated higher in hp and tq. untill 96.

Well, here is a comparison for you. We were headed to Green River. There are some steep hills along the way. We were in my dad's 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 318 pulling a 24 foot camper trailer. We were following my unlce in his Ford Truck. I'm not sure of the engine size but it was pretty big, around 400. He had a 20 foot camper trailer. We passed him going up one of the hills and had to wait at the top.

The 318 was one hell of a little engine.

since im a chevy guy and all, id like to mention that there is a more powerful version of the 572 with over 700 horses

on pump gas? even still, 52 cubes is a big advantage. but who cares anyway, theres always gonna be a more powerful engine than (fill in the blank)

There's 2 versions of the new 572, 572/620hp on pump gas, and the 572/720R, with 720hp on race fuel..

Well, here is a comparison for you. We were headed to Green River. There are some steep hills along the way. We were in my dad's 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 318 pulling a 24 foot camper trailer. We were following my unlce in his Ford Truck. I'm not sure of the engine size but it was pretty big, around 400. He had a 20 foot camper trailer. We passed him going up one of the hills and had to wait at the top.

The 318 was one hell of a little engine.

I've always heard it was Dodge's best engine (as far as being dependable, but not for having power). But about everybody that I know that had one in a Ram (94-up) said they wished they would have gotten the 360 because the 318 was just as bad on gas as the 360s with alot less power. But I'm sure a 318 in a Cherokee would feel pretty strong. I think they had what, like 220 hp and about 300 lbs-tq? That was pretty good for early 90s.

Now a guy I work with says the 318s are a million times better then the new 4.7L. He has an 03 Ram with the 4.7L and he says it is pretty sick and doesn't do so hot on gas mileage.

I think the 360 was only 230 or so hp. Not a big difference at all comparatively.

I believe the last ones they made were rated at like 240. Either way, it had 30 or 40 more lbs-tq.

The one i got is sitting in an 81 ram right now. There ok for reliability depends on how rough you are on them. This one is make 380+ (so my dad says he knows more about the motor then i do) I dunno its just a dull engine.

I say dull cuz i went to a car show near my hometown and i saw 4 318s with in 10 minutes.

I say dull cuz i went to a car show near my hometown and i saw 4 318s with in 10 minutes.

That just means its popular, lol. If that meant an engine was dull then every small block chevy would be considered extrememly dull.

That just means its popular, lol. If that meant an engine was dull then every small block chevy would be considered extrememly dull.

definatly true. same with the ford small blocks.

Agreed.

Also Mopars are good for one thing: Boost leaks.
No boost leaks here :smokin: lol

Burnerdominator, you never gave any reasons (that I saw) of why you're sick of your Avenger, is it continually breaking down? Or just not giving you the performance you want?

380hp out of a 318 is pretty good, and you've got to keep in mind that it's in a full size Ram, so it's not gonna be a rocket.

318's & 360's are both good engines, and have a lot of potential, if you set them up right. They're not the best engine out there, but they can hold their own.

Btw, your 318 that gets '14 mpg'... how much gas mileage do you think you're gonna get out of a modded supra?

Hint: Not much.

My 318 Ram could get around 17-19 on a day with no wind on the highway. Modded Supra would be lots of money to mod and lots of money to fuel (seeing as how you would probably need a higher octane fuel depending on how far you would mod it) and very expensive insurance for a 16 year old kid. It is up to you but I could think of quite a few better routes to take.

The Avenger is the 6cyl so theres pretty much no performance. Thats why i dont like it. The supra idea was just there for being there. I just dont like dodges and dsms all that much anymore.

The 6 cyl is the biggest engine in an Avenger.

I'm baffled if you think a celica will be faster than the avenger. Sucks that the avenger is an auto though.

The 4cyl Avenger is faster then the 6cyl. Is what ive been told by alot of people. And they never made a STOCK 6cyl stick avenger. Though they made some conversions. Exspensive so kinda out of the question. So yeah i do think celicas are a bit faster.

The Avenger is the 6cyl so theres pretty much no performance. Thats why i dont like it. The supra idea was just there for being there. I just dont like dodges and dsms all that much anymore.
Do whatever is gonna make ya happy, but please don't gauge all mopars from your experience with the Avenger. There are much better Mopar platforms and engines to work with if you want to go fast :iceslolan

If you wanna be different, drop that 318 in the Avenger ;)

When I hear Mopar, I think at least pre-1980, anyway..

When I hear Mopar, I think at least pre-1980, anyway..

when i hear mopar i think of the redneck in the commercials yelling HEMI!!... :banghead: