Hello, My question to all is: Is it safe to run a supercharger AND nitrous. I've seen some models of superchargers that get sprayed with nitrous to "cool" the air in the intake process. But that's different, it's actually sprayed on/inside the charger..i think. I don't know, what do you guys think?

Not on a stock 4 banger.

haha, no shit, but yes, it can be done safely

Well my buddy is going to help me out with the whole upgrading the engine deal. I'm not exactly sure what we're getting but he told me he'll help me keep my car from "not f#!&ing up" so...that's good, lol. Not exactly sure what all it was, I know something about pulleys and like something else, he was like "if you have a leak in the blah blha blah you'll know it once you press that button, cuz you'll be able to see oil coming out your blah blah blah, something or other..yeah I should really pay attention to those details a little better huh?

hoping my signature works this time ---------->>>>yay it does, lol

yea if your gonna run boost i recommend you learn a little someone about cars before you go puttin a supercharger on and blowin your engine
i also really like your interior paintjob, it looks very nice and professional...great job

Thanks, I'm not finished yet, I still have doors and the back to do. And I still need red carpet and white headliner. Yeah i'm getting there, slowly but surely on the knowledge thing. I've found www.howstuffworks.com very helpful, lol.

yo im not being a dick but y are u wantin to boost a 2.2??? i mean shit u could all the bolt ons on ur car and it still wouldn't match u to a stock z24
im juss really curious

o and btw i really do like ur paint job go wit sum faded whit tent for the windows that'd be sick and in my opinion shit juss go for looks on ur car dun spend 3000 on a supercharger and al that other shit u could make it look realllyyyyyyy nice wit all that money saved once again juss my opinion

Yeah, I really like the interior myself, it looks nice.

On the note of the learning... would be a VERY good idea if you plan on doing anything mechanical to your car, much less a super charger. howstuffworks.com is a very interesting site though.

okay, I appreciate opinion baby, but unless you have some way of proving your z24 theory, then just keep it to yourself. and...i'm sorry if my car could eat yours up off the line, but hey...I guess we'll never know.

looks like this is turning into yet another AF argument :disappoin lol j/k

I'm just saying, i don't think that was his place to downrate me...

I'm just saying, i don't think that was his place to downrate me...oh yeah I totally agree with you im just saying. :)

im not gonna take sides here but you cant expect everyone on the internet to be nice

Hah well we could atleast hope everyone is nice. Thats why I like coming here, people answer questions, and are usually nice about it. But unfortunatly someone always has to coem and start something ending up with the thread being locked. Hmm and it sounds like this guy really knows what hes talkin about, or else he wouldnt have asked bout the super in the first place. I mean you have to know somehting in order to ask about it. And btw babycavz, I highly doubt anyone who has "headers" in their signature should be goin around strutin their stuff. You really shouldnt be hating on us 2.2's, might come back to get you some day.

well i have to put my 0.02 in....hehe study your car/motor/trans before you jump right in. as for the 2.2 eating up the z24...i really doubt it...but hey you never know....but you put either of them cavi's up against an ecotec and be prepared to lose....hehe

but you put either of them cavi's up against an ecotec and be prepared to lose....hehe

Haha what you think I mean by us 2.2's? (Thats what an eco is, which I also have) =D

my engine reads 2200 ecotec.

I call a big B.S. first off they didnt offer the ecotec for your year cavy, secondly there is only the 2.2 ecotec, 2.0 ecotec and now the 2.4 ecotec. they ever made a 2200 ecotec....

oh and roboto didnt understand what you ment for there is a 2.2L non ecotec as well...

also if you swear by it post pics of it then..

Haha i fully understood, I know theres the old regular 2.2, just makes me crazy when someone thinks their better cuz their engine is bigger. Makes me glad to have the z24-rapin eco.

also if you swear by it post pics of it then..

brb with pic

can't find the camera, but how about this one from cardomain. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2362000-2362999/2362121_35_full.jpg

lol that my friend is no ecotec...far from it...that is a 2200 single port injected 2200 4 banger... clean but no ecotec

Heres an ecotec for you, actually, its mine, and quiet dirty. =D
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/3886601/8034377/168984989.jpg

I know baby wasn't trying to be a dick, but I just wanna say one more thing about the engine thing okay. My friend has a 1.8 Jetta and i've seen it put away anythind and everything we've come across. all because of that little letter thats after the 1.8....the T....1.8T, T for Turbo. I'm not flaunting anything, i'm just saying. His engine is 0.4 liters smaller then mine, and (before i started modding) just blew me away. so...I don't really see how a difference of 0.2 would be much different. If correctly installed and kept up. Okay, that's then end of my arguement, that's all I wanted to say. thanks for the compliment on my painting tho, didn't even prime it! :).

my engine reads 2200 ecotec.

so describe in that picture where on your engine it reads the ecotec part....

I highly doubt anyone who has "headers" in their signature should be goin around strutin their stuff. You really shouldnt be hating on us 2.2's,


haha good point, and i dont think he was "hatin" on the 2.2 ecotecs, im pretty sure he was hatin on the biggest piece of shit in the world 2200's,

honestly who cares about the 1.8t jetta they are slow and boring... the only thing they hav that even helps them is that turbo....get rid of it and you have a honda motor...hehe but you take the 1.8t jetta and you take a 2.2 ecotec turbo cavi....and the cavi will stomp the 1.8t jetta... ( oh and we aren't retards we know what the t in 1.8t stands for)

oh and for shits and giggles.. just to prove it, put a hahn racecraft stage 2 turbo kit with front mount intercooler, at 8 PSI. will run quarters around 12 secs. on a stock motor. its been proven. the 1.8t jetta stock runs quarters in low to mid 13-14..so do your research before you brag about somthing...

haha whats rong with the headers??? and i've raced plenty of 2.2's and burned the shit out of all of them obviously they weren't supered but yea they all had full exhaust and intake. I raced them when i was still stock. I'm not saying that your car aint fast i just said that i dun think you should mod a 2.2 cause i juss think that moding a car that starts 40horses below a better model juss is kinda pointless. For instance, to mod a normal civic to me is pointless, but to mod an SI is smart. That's all im saying im juss saying that ur interior looks nice and that if you put money into more looks your car would be sick. i mean you can mod engine afterwards but i think you should trick out the beauty first. Sry if i offended you but i was juss telling you how i felt but unless you wanna race then dun say that i wont beat you.

:iagree:

and another thing i didn't mean juss cause i had a bigger engine i was automatically faster the 2.4 in the cav is faster so maybe u should read carefully wat i was sayin and i wasn't try to bash how fast it is i couldn't care less i juss think to mod a base level car is dumb

lol

the problem with your headers is that you dont have them, you only have one, a header, and not modding it just cuz its the "base model" isnt a very good reason to not mod a car, the fact that its engine, the 2200, is worthless performance wise is a much better reason to not mod it

no shit i dun have header"s" but if ur really gonna be that picky to make a dumb comment like that juss dun even bother posting anymore

to header...or not to header....that is the question..hehe

i wasnt being that picky, we were just fucking with you, (at least i was) that happens every now and then when you post on the internet, you get fucked with, and that comment isnt really all that dumb, ya know, since its true

yo im not being a dick but y are u wantin to boost a 2.2??? i mean shit u could all the bolt ons on ur car and it still wouldn't match u to a stock z24
im juss really curious

That pretty much says my car ain't fast, and i'm not sure what you mean by shit i could all the bolt ons on my car...b/c to me, that's like gibberish. So let's put a STOCK z24, versus a modded 2.2, is that what you're saying? Because I blew the shit out of my friends z24 two weeks ago! He was running his mouth, just like you, and he ate my dust.

lol talked to indyextremecustoms and found out he got temp banned cause of his sig...how stupid is that?!!

hahah well he was probably a horrible driver wat did u have done to ur car that?? cause it sounds like u did more then juss boltons (ie exhaust, intake)

then* not that

forget those two last posts if ur cardomain is up to date then i no wat u've modded engine wise and how an intake cut 4 seconds off ur 0-60 is beyond me and my car stock ran high 7's now i run 6.9-7.1 depending on my launch but anyway i can't believe that intake and a frickin MUFFLER TIP would shave off 4 seconds and im said to hear that a z24 lost to a 12.9 sec 0-60 car :(

does a magician ever reveal his tricks? NO it's not up-to-date, notice where it says, blah blah,, not pictured, update blah. yeah it's all messed up. I'm going to wait until I get the inside all painted, and new gauges in before I update. Plus me and a buddy are builting a custom enclosure for my subs, i'm going to run 2 12" JLs and the 2 10"s i have now. Oh, and I thought my car could only run 108? isn't that like what everyone has been saying about the governer? b/c I don't think that's true either, held at 113 for like 10 seconds.

:bs: im sorry bout i cannot see a stock z24 losing to a petheticly modded 2200 motor!:wtf: sorry i would have to see proof.

you'll get it, a bunch of friends and I are going up to the track sometime, probably end of September, early October, because a friend of mine has an Eclipse that he is modding, so he is my go-to guy for like questions and stuff, seeing how all anybody ever does on here is say my car is a p.o.s and how theres no way it can do what I say it can, you know..because they were there and everything. But no, I wasn't there..no way.

lol talked to indyextremecustoms and found out he got temp banned cause of his sig...how stupid is that?!!

how did you talk to him?? looks like your banned too now, hmmm....... dumbass

so wat all did u have done to ur car then wen u beat ur friend's z24???

how did you talk to him?? looks like your banned too now, hmmm....... dumbass
im a member in his car club...but oh well if they ban me for somthing so stupid. Oh and to the mod who bannded me you should have asked me cause i never once thought anyone to be stupid...but i didnt know it was a crime to be somones friend...

how long was the temp ban? 5 min? or was he banned a long time ago and just came back? haha i just noticed he been postin alot lately.

dont know, but since his ban, all of these new members who seem to be from indiana keep popping up

not very smart if you ask me (pretty fucking stupid actually)

Nah, they arnt alot of new ppl from indiana, they r just his 10 accounts that havent been banned yet. Hahaha jk jk, but lets not get this thread locked now, ya hear?

Hahaha jk jk,

lol, no your not

If you all can keep to the topic at large, then there wouldn't be a reason to close the thread. So please stay on topic, as for indyextremecustoms/K K A etc, they are the same person and was banned for not following the rules (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/guidelines.html) and continuing to post the sig link after it was pointed out to them not to as well as coming back after being banned.

TS

speaking of topic at large. Have you ever heard of someone having an intercooler on a non-turbo car? Like say I bought a supercharger and wanted to cool the air before entering the engine. Do you think it would work like that, or would it just waste space?

^no need for a intercooler because Superchargers come with a charge air cooler (CAC) mounted next to the vehicle radiator. The charge air cooler cools the pressurized air from the supercharger, increasing the air density. this improves combustion efficiency, engine horsepower and torque. someone can correct me if im wrong.

is the hp gain different btwn the super and turbo?????

super- at 6-8 psi it will make about 80 whp
turbo- at 8psi it will produce 75-90 whp

so there is a little difference between the two. It also depends on what engine they are being put on.

how long was the temp ban? 5 min? or was he banned a long time ago and just came back? haha i just noticed he been postin alot lately.
probably a week like i got banned for

the only reason why i dont like the sc cause what they told me at nopi.com was you have to make power to get power from a sc, but with a turbo its the turbo lag. So either way you look at it, there is an up and down for both.

IMO if I was choosing one I would definatley go with a turbo. You can get more power from them (I know its not alot but still) and I just think there better. mainly because of the awesome BOV.:iceslolan

EDIT: heres a pretty good read on both a super and turbo charger http://www.automotivearticles.com/printer_Supercharger_vs_Turbocharger_.shtml
and another one www.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm)

have you ever heard of an electronic supercharger? Instead of being powered by a belt to the engine it's powered obviously by the car's battery. With a switch being hooked up and mounted in the "cockpit" that's so a crappy name for Behind the wheel, lol. You think good or bad choice? please no slamming, it's just a question, lol.

bad choice, they are worthless, they dont do shit, seriously, they dont even give you 1 extra horsepower, not even 1, you'd be better off buying a warm air intake

bad choice, they are worthless, they dont do shit, seriously, they dont even give you 1 extra horsepower, not even 1, you'd be better off buying a warm air intake

You seem pretty sure about that...bad expirence?

lol, no actually, just common sense mostly, and reading about them on this site

then why do they advertise them in superstreet? I seen it advertised in there and it looked pretty good. said it will give you a pound of boost. www.electricsupercgarger.com (http://www.electricsupercgarger.com)

there are good electric super chargers but you have to have so many battery's that it is not worth it. it is more like a hard shot of nitrous,

now-a-days, there is not tooo too much turbo lag, not like a few years ago, they just keep making them better, but of course if you have a huge turbo and thats is were majority of your power is comming from then yea your going to have a lag

electronic turbo/supercharger= GARBAGE!!! just stay away from them they are junk.

www.electricsupercharger.com (http://www.electricsupercharger.com)
sorry i screwed the site up. well they have dyno sheets to prove thier theory. so its only 10 -20 extra hp.

www.electricsupercharger.com (http://www.electricsupercharger.com)
sorry i screwed the site up. well they have dyno sheets to prove thier theory. so its only 10 -20 extra hp.I dont care what they say IMO they still are shit. :)

not worth the hassle really, most of them that add real hp end up robbing so much on the electrical system that it just makes life hell

www.electricsupercharger.com (http://www.electricsupercharger.com)
sorry i screwed the site up. well they have dyno sheets to prove thier theory. so its only 10 -20 extra hp.

so does turbonator.com and they're fucking worthless too, you cant believe everything you hear, no matter where you hear it....

there is no such thing as a good electric supercharger, a normal supercharger takes about 20-30hp away from your engine to operate, so for an electric supercharger to be effective, it'd need a 20-30 hp motor, you apparently (not being mean here) dont know alot about electric motors, but a motor that big would be about a foot wide and a foot and a half long, and it would run on 480 volts, 3 phase, (MAYBE 240-220 volts, but i doubt it) definetely not 12 however, and it sure as HELL would not fit inside your intake piping

so does turbonator.com and they're fucking worthless too, you cant believe everything you hear, no matter where you hear it....

there is no such thing as a good electric supercharger, a normal supercharger takes about 20-30hp away from your engine to operate, so for an electric supercharger to be effective, it'd need a 20-30 hp motor, you apparently (not being mean here) dont know alot about electric motors, but a motor that big would be about a footwide and a foot and a half long, and it would run on 480 volts, 3 phase, (MAYBE 220 volts, but i doubt it) definetely not 12 however, and it sure as HELL would not fit inside your intake piping:1:

hmm...okay

i have 14 of turbonators, producing like 500whp

14 of turbonators??

i also call bullshit, i bet your making maybe a hair over 400

well i do have 27 tornado's which make another 12 hp and the the blow-off valve exhaust tip gets the rest of the 88

well i do have 27 tornado's which make another 12 hp and the the blow-off valve exhaust tip gets the rest of the 88:rofl: :rofl: fuckin steve over here being a wise guy lol

hell that is just motor and exhaust, i have all those nos stickers as well that i need to put on and the nopi sticker, shit i will be well of 700whp then

Man you forgot about about all the Vtec and APC stickers :lol:

lol yea yea yea forgot about that and since I got racing strips thats ads another 50-60whp

Daaaammm, all you need now are some altezzas and you could be rockin almost 900

and then one of those wings that are made from gutter aluminum :lol:

lol

oh yeah and also dont forget about the stick on hood scoops :lol: those have to add at least 10-15 horse lol

and a roof scoop

lets not forget about spinner hubcaps. now those REALLY ass the horsepower

and curb markers, shit http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/cavalier2000/Faces/hijacked.gif

curb markers are the same thing as curb feelings correct? lol also lets not forget about the exhaust tips that are about 6 inches wide that look like they belong on a diesel truck lol

for the record, I filled my nitrous tank today....and installed it...yeah. whoa is all I have to say, imagine me with like a larger tank, and like a larger flow tube thingy...yeah that would rock. Pictures coming soon...I don't have my own camera I have to borrow alot... :)

for the record, I filled my nitrous tank today....and installed it...yeah. whoa is all I have to say, imagine me with like a larger tank, and like a larger flow tube thingy...yeah that would rock. Pictures coming soon...I don't have my own camera I have to borrow alot... :)so you have NOS huh??? did you upgrade anything else under the hood?? or are you running the NOS with everything stock??

you can run nos on a stock motor, 50 at best though, exhaust would help that nos along nicely though

in about 2 weeks, I'll have everything I want..hopefully. I'm ordering a new header-back exhaust set up, projectors, body kit, Z3 fenders, new gauge cluster, white neons, my subs that I need, and a larger nitrous tank prolly NX 10 pounder....(back to school refund, lol).... and oh, I have a sneaky pete right now, It makes a difference but not like a huge huge difference. I need a bigger set-up, i think it's like a 35 shot maybe?...if that's possible, lol....i just wanted to see if it would actually work...and yes it does, lol.

in about 2 weeks, I'll have everything I want..hopefully. I'm ordering a new header-back exhaust set up, projectors, body kit, Z3 fenders, new gauge cluster, white neons, my subs that I need, and a larger nitrous tank prolly NX 10 pounder....(back to school refund, lol).... and oh, I have a sneaky pete right now, It makes a difference but not like a huge huge difference. I need a bigger set-up, i think it's like a 35 shot maybe?...if that's possible, lol....i just wanted to see if it would actually work...and yes it does, lol.shit sounds like once you have everything and put it all on the car it should look pretty nice. looking forward to seeing some pics eventually lol

yeah the time will come, oh I'm venturing to put the kit on and paint it myself...by myself I mean, me and my friends and one of his grandpas who used to own a body shop...and all I have to do in return is help him with his when he gets it..he has an 01 eclipse, which is pretty nice!!!...sorry. anyway yeah man definetly pics coming, I've almost got the interior where I want it. I'm going to leave my doors off until I finish painting, and after that all i need to do it some touch ups and a coat of clear coat and you can stick a fork in her. Oh I hope I don't ever sell this car, cuz I totally messed my visors up when I put them back up...shhh don't tell anybody, lol.

yeah the time will come, oh I'm venturing to put the kit on and paint it myself...by myself I mean, me and my friends and one of his grandpas who used to own a body shop...and all I have to do in return is help him with his when he gets it..he has an 01 eclipse, which is pretty nice!!!...sorry. anyway yeah man definetly pics coming, I've almost got the interior where I want it. I'm going to leave my doors off until I finish painting, and after that all i need to do it some touch ups and a coat of clear coat and you can stick a fork in her. Oh I hope I don't ever sell this car, cuz I totally messed my visors up when I put them back up...shhh don't tell anybody, lol.

Your honestly going to have one hell of a time trying to sell your car with your interrior parts all painted. Unless you find another kid willing to take on your project. Not many people want to deal with a modified car. Just telling you my own experience.

Your honestly going to have one hell of a time trying to sell your car with your interrior parts all painted. Unless you find another kid willing to take on your project. Not many people want to deal with a modified car. Just telling you my own experience.Yeah I know its a bitch to sell a modified car. Good buyers for those kind of cars are young kids and mexicans. for some reason they just love um lol well at least by me they do.:grinno:

i told my buddy, that i've always wanted a firebird, ever since I was a little kid. So i was going to play with this car for a little bit and then sell it and try to get a firebird...but then he's like "yeah right you'll put all this money into it, put your body kit on it and you won't wanna sell it, and i was like yeah you're prolly right, lol"...

Who knows maybe your not going to ever get rid of the car. With my cavy I plan on keeping it for as long as I can,dont plan on getting rid of it ever. I also have my mustang so I could always sell that and get something else.

go ahead a sell the mustang and then take the money from that and put it into your cav lol

go ahead a sell the mustang and then take the money from that and put it into your cav lol :grinyes: yeah that would probably be a good idea but I need it to get to work. so selling it before the cavy is fixed wouldnt be a good idea.

catch the bus lol

Nah I think I"ll pass on that one steve :lol:

never really liked mustangs, too...I dunno, everybody has one...then again, There are like 1 out of every 10 cars I see in my town is a cavalier. I was sitting on the picnic table at work one day and counted 5 cavys in the parking lot....

never really liked mustangs, too...I dunno, everybody has one...then again, There are like 1 out of every 10 cars I see in my town is a cavalier. I was sitting on the picnic table at work one day and counted 5 cavys in the parking lot....Yeah cavys and mustangs are a very popular car nowadays if you ask me. on my street there are 4 houses IN A ROW that own a cavalier including myself. lol

yea but how many of those cavaliers have something done to them

yea but how many of those cavaliers have something done to themThe only one with something done to their cav is mine :grinyes: the rest of them are owned by old farts. :)

yea i know that feeling

the old fart aka my mother has one parked next to me in the garage, and on top of that my girlfriend has an older style one too...figure that one out, lol.

So its safe to say that the cavalier is a VERY popular car.:)

my friend wouldn't let his girlfriend get one b/c he said "they were the car with the worst safety rating" and i was like "yeah that's b/c everybody and their mother and their girlfriend have one, lol." Plus they.. by they I mean their family, have three!!! two 99's and an 01. Black, gold and silver.... Don't ask why.

Don't ask why.
Why...

b/c he wanted you to ask why, and now he's succeeded, good job dorkus.!! lol

lol i try to be a pain

lol i try to be a pain:iagree:

what's the purpose of an exhaust flange?

i.e....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=7992442884&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Pretty much an exhaust flange hold all your header pipes together. The one you posted is obviously for making a custom application.

so, I don't need one if I just buy a new header correct?

ohhhh!!!! okay I get it, lol wow I'm dumb.

ohhhh!!!! okay I get it, lol wow I'm dumb.haha :slap: yeah your header will come with it already on, and if it doesnt lol, there is really something wrong with the company.

mmmm you all there now lol