Versatrak system, changing fluids...


A_Bartle
07-17-2006, 03:05 PM
Has anyone changed the fluid themselves in the Versatrak system? If so, could you please let me know how difficult it is. I have not been able to find any information on it. I was wondering if it's as simple as a drain plug and a filler plug in the unit, how much room there is to work on it, and if I need any special tools. Any help or links to information would be greatly appreciated!

P.S. The local dealer wants $500 to do the job, crazy, so that's why I would like to do it myself if possible.

Thanks!
Art

DRW1000
07-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Has anyone changed the fluid themselves in the Versatrak system? If so, could you please let me know how difficult it is. I have not been able to find any information on it. I was wondering if it's as simple as a drain plug and a filler plug in the unit, how much room there is to work on it, and if I need any special tools. Any help or links to information would be greatly appreciated!

P.S. The local dealer wants $500 to do the job, crazy, so that's why I would like to do it myself if possible.

Thanks!
Art

Excuse my ignorance here but..............what exactly is a Versatrak system?

A_Bartle
07-19-2006, 07:19 AM
Versatrak is the "All Wheel Drive" system that is used on the mini-vans, as well as many other models in the GM lineup.

Glen_T
07-19-2006, 09:26 PM
My shop manual shows it to be a pretty easy job. There are two drain plugs on the front side of the rear differential unit. They look to have an internal hex on them, but I'm not sure. The lower one is for draining, and the upper one is for filling. The torque spec on both is 23 lb-ft.

It mentions to use synthetic gear lube from GM, so you might call your dealer and ask what they require. It says to fill it until it just runs out the upper hole, then plug it. It then says to make multiple very sharp left and right turns to distribute the oil to the left and right housing, then re-check the level.

Are you sure it needs replacement? How many miles do you have on the van?

Hope this helps...Glen

A_Bartle
07-20-2006, 07:28 AM
Glen,

Thanks for the tips. I saw those hex head plugs on the Versatrak system, but I wasn't sure they were the fill/drain plugs, and if I remember correctly, I thought they were on the "side" of the unit, facing the drivers side rear wheel. The fill plug is not completely at the top of the unit, so I guess the fluid level doesn't go completely to the top. I also heard that you are suppose to refill the unit, then do the sharp turning routine, then drain and re-fill with fluid. I guess it's a "flushing" process. The van in question has about 105,000 miles on it, and has been making the "groaning" noise when turning for a little while now. Also, I heard that GM was having some problems with the earlier Versatrak systems and actually made some changes to the fluid, had you heard anything about that? By the way, where did you get your shop manual, I would like to get one for this van.

Thanks for your help!
Art

Glen_T
07-20-2006, 08:45 AM
Sorry, I haven't heard of anything about Versatrak, but I haven't been "listening" since I don't have it.

The manual doesn't mention a flush procedure...you might ask the deaker....

I bought my shop manuals from Helm Inc. They are expensive, but thorough. You might try Ebay.

The sketch in the manual showed the upper plug not all the way to the top (going by memory - I'm at work now).

A_Bartle
07-20-2006, 09:29 AM
Thanks for your help Glen! If you get a chance, when you are home and in front of your service manuals, see if there are any other "issues" I should look out for. I appreciate your help!

Art

Glen_T
07-20-2006, 08:50 PM
The manual doesn't mention anything else. I looked for a service interval recommendation, and didn't find anything....sorry, Glen

A_Bartle
07-20-2006, 08:57 PM
Glen,

Thanks again for all your help, and for taking the time to research the issue. I really appreciate your assistance!

Art

jhong1226
07-21-2006, 06:08 PM
VersaTrak = Transfercase ?????

T5_Steve
07-27-2006, 10:27 AM
Glen,

The van in question has about 105,000 miles on it, and has been making the "groaning" noise when turning for a little while now. Also...

Art,

Does this "groaning" occure while turning in a particular direction... say left for example? My 2002 Venture AWD makes does (groans) only while slowly making left turns. Mine has about 59k miles.

Did changing the fluids make a difference?

Steve

A_Bartle
08-07-2006, 09:26 AM
Steve,

Yes, the groaning is during sharp turning (parking lots, etc.) and it makes the noise in either direction. I have not changed the fluid yet, I'm still trying to find some data to explain how (where the drain/fills plugs are, how much fluid to put in, etc.). Can't believe it's this hard to find information, like it's some kind of national secret. I did purchase from eBay a Versatrak manual from GM, but believe it or not, it only talks about "replacement", no maintenance. If anyone has either changed their fluid in the Versatrak system, or knows where I can get some instructions/data on how to do so, please shoot me an email, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks!
Art

abartle@glis.net

A_Bartle
08-09-2006, 06:58 AM
Anyone have any luck on finding information on the Versatrak system... anything?

T5_Steve
08-09-2006, 11:59 AM
I did change the fluid in the Rear Drive Module (aka... rear differential assembly) with new VersaTrak Fluid and like magic, the "groan" disappeared after 25 miles or so.

My Venture Owners Manual shows the location of the two plugs located on the drivers side of the RDM, the front-most plug is the fluid level "check" plug and rear-most plug is the drain plug. The plug requires a hex wrench to remove/tighten.

The RDM holds approx. 4 pints of VersaTrak fluid, which means you'll need 4 bottles of the fluid for the job. Cost of the new VersaTrak fluid runs about $25/bottle. Changing the fluid in the RDM is actually easier than changing the engine oil and filter!

A_Bartle
08-09-2006, 12:12 PM
By any chance is it difficult to get the fluid into the unit? Did you use a funnel with a long hose? Also, the GM tec. bulletin suggests to change the fluid, do the turning maneuvers, drain it again and then refill a second time. I'm guessing that it's a "flushing" procedure. Did you change the fluid twice like that?

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it!

Art

A_Bartle
03-06-2007, 08:45 AM
I ended up changing the fluid myself, was not too hard, but I used an Amsoil product called "Severe Gear 75W-90W" oil. It worked great and much, much cheaper than the GM stuff. After changing the oil, I did the multiple tight circle turn maneuvers in both directions, and the "groan" went away. Here is the Amsoil web site, and here is the message they sent to me when I inquired about using their product.

http://www.amsoil.com/ (http://www.amsoil.com/)

Email reply Amsoil sent to me:

Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.

In response to your inquiry, the Severe Gear 75W-90 Gear Oil is recommended to use for this application (product code SVG). It already has the additional performance additive formulated in it.

Thank you again for the opportunity to respond to your concerns. As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance.



Darryn Wallace

Technical Service Department

AMSOIL, Inc.

cjwinans
07-13-2007, 05:05 PM
Did you go the two step flush or was once enough?

'97ventureowner
07-13-2007, 07:31 PM
Please refrain from resurrecting threads older than 3 months. Start a new thread and ask the question, and link to the old one if necessary. Thread closed.

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