since motorex is closed

who does that leave me with as RI's for the skyline, RBMotring and wasnt there one other? BTW, ive heard some things about legalizing the skyline before it gets shipped to the states, does anybody have any info on that?

Hi sgdtr2989, to answer your question about legalizing the Skylines before leaving the ports at Japan is cheaper and that´s how I usually do it actually. The only problem is that you have to have someone over there in Japan who can do all the paperwork and go and legalize it.

I have brought about 4 cars that way, 2 of which I sold and I am selling another one right now. I have only though legalized one s15 with the car being over here and it was a paaaaain, and it is also on the list of cars that can´t REALLY be legalized, hmmm.

Anyway I might bring some cars over here like Motorex (without the big hefty price though) and sell them, who knows maby start a business. Anyway if a lot of people want those cars I just might, and that´s because I have someone over in Japan who sends me and legalizes the cars over there.

Regards,
Esteban Soto
TR Automotive Works

Hi sgdtr2989, to answer your question about legalizing the Skylines before leaving the ports at Japan is cheaper and that´s how I usually do it actually. The only problem is that you have to have someone over there in Japan who can do all the paperwork and go and legalize it.

I have brought about 4 cars that way, 2 of which I sold and I am selling another one right now. I have only though legalized one s15 with the car being over here and it was a paaaaain, and it is also on the list of cars that can´t REALLY be legalized, hmmm.

Anyway I might bring some cars over here like Motorex (without the big hefty price though) and sell them, who knows maby start a business. Anyway if a lot of people want those cars I just might, and that´s because I have someone over in Japan who sends me and legalizes the cars over there.

Regards,
Esteban Soto
TR Automotive Works

You CANNOT "Federally" legalize a car from the port of origin. The car must be "Federally" legalized thru an RI in the States. What your guy is doing it tampering witht he paperwork prior to the car shipping. There are many many people and many claims of being able to import a vehicle into the US and legalizing it. There is an RI who can do the legalization, but they are charging $20-50k for a R33.

Every state has their own motor vehicle law and may it be leinent or strict, people find ways around them.

I am no way doubting that you can bring in vehicles and being able to title them, but you should in no way shape or form advertise that you can bring them in legally. Who will be responsible for if the vehicle get repossed by US Customs? There was a recent repossesion in Texas of a R34 V-Spec Nur.

R34's are no longer on the import list and 96-98 R33's needs a OBDII system, unless you have come up with a way to make a R33 compatible and you got the R34 back on the import list you are NOT selling a FEDERALLY LEGALIZED Skyline.

You should disclose that CA and WA states run vin numbers prior to being able to register them (other states are starting also), if there are no DOT and EPA paperwork, you can't register it and certain insurance companies require DOT and EPA paperwork also.

John

You CANNOT "Federally" legalize a car from the port of origin. The car must be "Federally" legalized thru an RI in the States. What your guy is doing it tampering witht he paperwork prior to the car shipping. There are many many people and many claims of being able to import a vehicle into the US and legalizing it. There is an RI who can do the legalization, but they are charging $20-50k for a R33.

Every state has their own motor vehicle law and may it be leinent or strict, people find ways around them.

I am no way doubting that you can bring in vehicles and being able to title them, but you should in no way shape or form advertise that you can bring them in legally. Who will be responsible for if the vehicle get repossed by US Customs? There was a recent repossesion in Texas of a R34 V-Spec Nur.

R34's are no longer on the import list and 96-98 R33's needs a OBDII system, unless you have come up with a way to make a R33 compatible and you got the R34 back on the import list you are NOT selling a FEDERALLY LEGALIZED Skyline.

You should disclose that CA and WA states run vin numbers prior to being able to register them (other states are starting also), if there are no DOT and EPA paperwork, you can't register it and certain insurance companies require DOT and EPA paperwork also.

John
well, so much for the trick of legalization in japan, but thanks for warning me that its really dangerous. ive noticed that right about the time that i could actually buy something from motorex, it goes under and rumours of the next nissan gt-r is being priced at $70,000 start to surface. ill stop before it becomes a full blown conspiracy theory.

well, so much for the trick of legalization in japan, but thanks for warning me that its really dangerous. ive noticed that right about the time that i could actually buy something from motorex, it goes under and rumours of the next nissan gt-r is being priced at $70,000 start to surface. ill stop before it becomes a full blown conspiracy theory.

If you are looking for a legalized GTR contact RB, I know they have one for sale or they can let you know if anyone is selling theirs.

John

RB Motoring is an RI, but they are not importing Skylines themselves.

There is no other real option. No way to federally legalize a car.

Check this link - http://tyndago.googlepages.com/gt-rlegalization

ther's a way to leagalize your own skyline, tho it does have to be a 96-98 r33, no r32s or r34s, and you have to go to d.c. a few times, you also have to be able to prove that the car, if you want to start a buisness, is capable of turning a profit, which the answer is NO, it's to expensive, just wait 2 yrs and get the gtr for 70g, and slap a nameplate SKYLINE on the back, and you've gotten one cheaper, trust me, it's painful and aganizing to import a skyline, and if you're in new jersey, you have to change it to left hand drive no if ands or buts. you can importr it as a show car, which then it's not road leagal, and can have 2,500 miles per year put on it, and must have a reason for being brought here and put for show, historical reasons basically, like an old ferrari or something

what about MN up here there is alomost everything we got like 3 skylines in Mn right now. i don't knwo how these guys are gettign them exactly. But couldn't one take one from canada and just drive the fer down to mn and register it there? or does that not work???

btw we do not have ANY emissions here in mn. and we have almsot no restrictions on anything here. hence all the damn fiero's with kit cars ;)

u could drive it into the usa, but u still have to meet all the emmisions of the country, nomatter wat state law says. i'm in NJ, i don't know of any here. i called down to trenton where our big state dmv is, and they said that to bring a rhd car into jersey from another country, it has to be made left hand drive, no matter wat. another thing about just driving the car in, the government will stop u at the border, and not allow it across without paperwork showing it being usa leagle already. i don't know how to make it leagle, what it needs, i know that because motorex already did the crash tests, i assume it didn't need anything for safty, but epa, i know i doesn't come near. if you know of someone with a skyline, ask them to see the paperwork, or just ask them how they got it here. there are two loopholes, #1 coming home from serving in the military, and having bought one in japan. the government will make sure it gets thru. the second, from wat i understand is the more expensive, but still cheaper than motorex was, it involves a lot tho. have a company in japan take the car apart, seperate the engine and trans, and make the body and chassis just a shell, then import it. then reasmble it as a kit car. if you've ever heard of the car company nobel(advertised in the back of most auto mags) that's how they import their cars.

u could drive it into the usa, but u still have to meet all the emmisions of the country, nomatter wat state law says. i'm in NJ, i don't know of any here. i called down to trenton where our big state dmv is, and they said that to bring a rhd car into jersey from another country, it has to be made left hand drive, no matter wat. another thing about just driving the car in, the government will stop u at the border, and not allow it across without paperwork showing it being usa leagle already. i don't know how to make it leagle, what it needs, i know that because motorex already did the crash tests, i assume it didn't need anything for safty, but epa, i know i doesn't come near. if you know of someone with a skyline, ask them to see the paperwork, or just ask them how they got it here. there are two loopholes, #1 coming home from serving in the military, and having bought one in japan. the government will make sure it gets thru. the second, from wat i understand is the more expensive, but still cheaper than motorex was, it involves a lot tho. have a company in japan take the car apart, seperate the engine and trans, and make the body and chassis just a shell, then import it. then reasmble it as a kit car. if you've ever heard of the car company nobel(advertised in the back of most auto mags) that's how they import their cars.

There are NO LOOPHOLES.

Please stop spreading mis-information::nono:

#1 If your in the military and what to bring your skyline home the service will only ship it to the nearest port of entry form where you are. Also you have to show that you have a contract with a R.I to bring the car into complayince.

Bottom line it is illegal to dissasemble a skyline and reassemble as a kit car. The EPA and DOT have made that very clear(section 4). http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm

Do people get them in this way Yes, some have gotten cought some haven't it's a roll of the dice illegal is illegal and they can be confiscated if there found to be illegal weither there titled as a kit or not. With the added heat that Motorex has drawn to the skyline it's really bad for them right now even the legal ones.

It is nothing like the 1G bringing the noble in as a kit car. 1G buys the noble from the manufacture in africa disassembled. It is a manufactured vehicle in the UK because it's 100% complete but not here in the US. The noble is assembled here in the US by 3 seperate companys which meet the EPA requirements.

There were a few thing that need to be done to skyline to meet safety standards seat belts, signals, speed o, and a few other key elements.

vectorspecialist please do more research because you have no idea what your saying. First off the military thing doesn't fly because you can't just say im military and skip all the dot issues. you must go through an RI and go through J& K technoloigies located in MD to legalise your vehicle. You do not have to convert anything to LHd either. Look at the motorex cars and see that none of them are converted. Some things that are changed are bumper supports, glass, obd2 and evap canister things for emmissions. I know all of this because I own a skyline in NJ that is fully legal. I have my dot bond release, registration and insurance card. They all say Nissan Skyline on them... Theres a video on youtube of me getting pulled over as well :-)

dude the military thing works, they can't make u sell ur car, it's ur property, and i mean they bring it into the country without cost to you, u still have to do the conversions. trust me my friend is a marine, i know someone with a rhd supra from japan, and another with a rhd gto. all were in there navy. as for motorex not having to make it lhd, nj is the only state that wants a lhd skyline. that's wat they said to me wen i called trenton nj dmv. where in nj are u, i'd love to c a skyline. i personally have never seen one in person, well i have seen a gts, but the gtr's are so much better. also i had never even thought of the kit car thing, till i read about the nobel company and on other sites. so i had never even looked up wat has to be done for those. also about being pulled over, did the cop find it different to walk to the rh side ad find it's the drivers side or no. i got pulled in my moms friends jeep(mail truck) but he ddnt, cause it said usps. also i've looked into almost anything in dealing with how to get a gtr into the usa. i've faced and said i'll wait for the gtr.

By Federal law any state in the United States can not and is not allowed to make you make a GT-R LHD.

As long as there is a designation in the VIN that the vehicle is RHD which all GT-R's have. There is a link on the DOT site about it I'll post it later if you need it.

Also Cnile glad to see you on automotive, there is an issue with the OBD2 thing, that's what got Motorex in trouble anything 96 or newer has to have it. Motorex was never able to get approval for the system they developed and too this day no one not even J&K have been able to come up with a working and DOT approved OBD2 system.

Only 2 Motorex cars ever got OBD2 but theye were pro-to systems.

at least 2 of the skylines in minnesota are not federalized. im not sure but i think theres a fourth, a grey r32 that was in duluth a year or so ago that came from canada, but i dont know if it was ever titled or not.

To make this short and simple.. YOU ARE NOT GETTING A SKYLINE SHIPPED AND LEGALIZED TO THE USA. You buy the ones that are already shipped and legalized that are over here already. Or you look around and find the non-legalized Skylines and never be allowed to drive them on the streets.

To make this short and simple.. YOU ARE NOT GETTING A SKYLINE SHIPPED AND LEGALIZED TO THE USA. You buy the ones that are already shipped and legalized that are over here already. Or you look around and find the non-legalized Skylines and never be allowed to drive them on the streets.

i would love to get that site where it says i dont have to change from rhd to lhd, would make my life a lot easier. also on the importation of skylines, it states that a 96-98 r33 can still be imported, anyone know who's the ri for that?

i would love to get that site where it says i dont have to change from rhd to lhd, would make my life a lot easier. also on the importation of skylines, it states that a 96-98 r33 can still be imported, anyone know who's the ri for that?

Any R.I. can bring them in, it's the legalizing part that no one can comply with. I'll find the link.

anyone know exactly wat has to be done to make it leagle, i know it has 3 brakes, i think it's just emissions.

anyone know exactly wat has to be done to make it leagle, i know it has 3 brakes, i think it's just emissions.

There is actualy a post with alot of the crash test data on here.
But there is alot of privilaged information this isn't on there like the head lights, signals, speed o', vin placement and door and dash mods.

This is some of it: Par #2
http://tyndago.googlepages.com/gt-rlegalization

I still can't find the exact link my other computer went bonkers had all my GT-R stuff on it.

This has probally been asked before, but just so I know for sure.. can you work for an R.I. or become a R.I. and do the legalazation yourself but within the proper work place, with the proper equipment and have documentation from DOT saying youre allowed to preform the legalaztion.

This has probally been asked before, but just so I know for sure.. can you work for an R.I. or become a R.I. and do the legalazation yourself but within the proper work place, with the proper equipment and have documentation from DOT saying youre allowed to preform the legalaztion.

It takes about 1-3 years to become an R.I. and there is an approval process.

Yes, you can work for an RI and do most of the work yourself as long as you know what all has to be done to make it conform and can come up with an OBD2 system.

anyone know exactly wat has to be done to make it leagle, i know it has 3 brakes, i think it's just emissions.

Do a search, there is a hell of lot more issues than just emissions, and a brake light:banghead:

I am military, I have loking into the legal GTR issue for over 6 years. There is no loop hole for FEDERAL compliance! If your caught, the car will be impounded to be shipped or crushed. Yes, they make you sell your car before you leave.

Any websites that include paperwork or what it takes to become an R.I.? Might try to start as early as possible. =]

Any websites that include paperwork or what it takes to become an R.I.? Might try to start as early as possible. =]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/ManInfo/Ripkg0011.pdf

I tried to save the file, and it came up as a ... no clue what it came up as. But it wouldnt open. Do you need Acrobat or something to view it?

Its a pdf file, yes you need Arobat

anyone wanna start a buisness venture to fricken bring the cars in leagaly, man it would b nice, there's still 2yrs b4 the new one is here legally

anyone wanna start a buisness venture to fricken bring the cars in leagaly, man it would b nice, there's still 2yrs b4 the new one is here legally

After several years of surfing you will likely come to the same conclusion as most. Sure any Skyline could be made to meet all the federal regulations (NHTSA/EPA) and be legalised and registered. The problem is that there just isn't any money to be made in doing it.

The cost would end up approaching six figures, for cars that are approaching 5 to 15 years of age. The Skyline is a nice car, but as someone succinctly put it, " A Skyline will not feed your family, save the world, or find the cure to cancer." It's simply an aging AWD car, with a cast iron block, twin turbo, making around 300 hp."

There are plenty more newer choices out there, making more HP, that are faster, newer, cheaper, and come with a warranty.

If you want one that bad, move to Japan. They are as common as Mustangs over there. (Besides the J-girls are 'totemo kawaii desu yo' !)

-AL

There isnt any money to be made, unless you do it for aothers also (after being legalized to preform such tasks) But in my case, I fell in love with the R33 GTR lines since the moment I saw it. For me, its just HAVING the car, and being allowed to drive it around. Money is a problem yes, but if its done over a period of a few years... 2-4. It wouldnt be as hard. And some of you might say " Thats stupid, 4 years waiting for your Skyline".. well rather have 4 years then 15? Or just the pride of saying "I legalized my Skyline myself. I was one of the few lucky ones after Motorex was closed, to preform having my Skyline legalized" Its just about who you are as a person. For me, I rather spend 4 years, doing the legaliztion work myself just to say I did it and I have the car of my dreams right here.

-TJ

this is not a shot- but how old are you?

16, almost 17. And shits goin to be said.. I can feel it. And dont go on bout the fast and furious bullshit. I first saw it in GT2 a long time back.

i saw them at the tracks was the first time i found about them.

Ya, well my lazy ass needs to download Java and download those files and read up on em. If i wanna be 20 by the time I can be an RI.

there is alot more to it than would you may think trust me-

get a ka turbo it through it in a 280zx shell with a 5 speed - that is what i am doing- cheap fast good mpg. i like em better then skys myself.

*sigh* Dude, its the body.. not the speed. B-O-D-Y. The lines. L-I-N-E-S. of the car. The engine is just a plus.

they look like a modified mustange.........

only problem with saying they look like a modified mustang, the skyline series is older than the mustang, and if ur comparing the r32 and newer to the stang, then relize te r32 started in 89, the mustang body closest to it is 94-04. also i'd love to have a skyline. it's like a dodge viper. sure i can get a corvette cheaper, and has the same performance, but i like the viper, and that's wat i'll get. same with the skyline, sure i could get a sti or evo, same performance, but it's the ability to say i own a leagalized nissan skyline gtr. plus face it resale on a skyline is much higher than either of the mentined cars. i'm happy to own a 92 dodge stealth twin turbo, same hp, aws, and awd, sure it's just a car, but it's a nice one, and the lines of the skyline are nice, the flow of em, 2drs, razed wing, but not a ridiculus one, single outlet exhaust, ferrari taillights, and that front end, i just think wen people think of sports cars they think boxy is better, skyline, sky, speedster, mustang, and so on, boxy is just hot, for cars

Ya, well my lazy ass needs to download Java and download those files and read up on em. If i wanna be 20 by the time I can be an RI.

Reading up is a good start, but I think you will soon find that the scope and magnitude of the project far eclipses what one person can accomplish in even a few years.

The biggest issue being meeting the government standards. By that I am referring to both NHTSA and the EPA. NHTSA requires that the cars meet federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) which is no small task.

Modifying the car to meet FMVSS can be accomplished, but the heartache lies in proving to NHTSA via a petition that the car does in fact meet U.S. crash standards. The only way to do thta is crash test your modified vehicle. As discussed in numerous posts it costs a considderable sum of money to get the professionally documented tests. (Copies of the old JK/Motorex tests will not suffice.)

Next is the EPA issue. Yes, the RB26DETT can be modified to meet EPA emissions standards (50 state legal). The problem is that once modified and green, you still need to prove to the EPA via professionally documented tests that the car meets EPA Clean Air Act standards not just a tail pipe sniff test. This includes the full federal test regieme of cold start, fuel economy, etc... The chepaest cost I've heard of for the test is over $7,000 and that does not include the documented modification of the engine by an ICI.

So in summary, the project is extremely large and expensive and is at the mercy of government agencies who take their time in processing your request.


-AL

If you really want a R33 GTR badly, it will be cheaper and much less painful in the long term to pony up and by a used one. Or for roughly the same price, you can by a brand new Nissan GTR next year!

The other option is to move to Japan and buy the same R33 GTR Skyline for $15,000 - $20,000. [For under $200 I also got to drive (race) mine on a track day at Fuji Speedway!]

Join the military or go over as a student or English teacher. Japan is lots of fun!

-AL

I dont speak Japanese... plus their women arent as fine. =] And the new GTR... to G35 looking. =/

So all those guys who put in Rb26's into there 240's have to spend 7000g just to have it be legal. Damn US.. Japan is looking pretty good right now.. only if there was some women of my taste over there.. >.<

there are plenty of nice women in japan, just u've got to look for em, and no not at the bars, litterally, racing there has more following than here in the usa, u'll nice women(who know bout cars) if u look into the underground racing in japan

Um.. Im into Tan, Thick(good thick, tits n ass) Brunette women.. which ussally come to be italians.

yea well i like redhead(who doesnt) with green eyes, and good average wieght, not skinny shit like nicole richie, jesus, she'll be the first invisable person, and no more than 5"7, o and yea i like italians

So all those guys who put in Rb26's into there 240's have to spend 7000g just to have it be legal. Damn US.. Japan is looking pretty good right now.. only if there was some women of my taste over there.. >.<

Actually in my converstaion with CARB they initially said that it was not legally possible to swap a foriegn engine, that is not sold in the U.S., into a U.S. spec vehicle. I was refered to the director of the Specially Constructed Vehicles program and then the head of inspections. After explaining that the RB26dett was legal as modified for the Motorex petitioned vehicles, they conceded it might be possible. Unfortunately, this was virgin territory for them, and they requested more info...

Still need to call them back. The only problem is it looks like the engines would still need to go to an ICI for modification, testing and certification. So the answer is "yes". An RB26dett would be extremely expensive to legally put into a U.S. legal car and have it meet CARB (50 state) emissions requirements.

So:
Price of the engine
price of ICI importation/modification
Price of testing ($7000+)
----------------------------
who knows the final cost?

-AL

My ex was the hottest woman I ever seen.. Ill still never get over her... or atleast her body. =D... anywho. Fuck that, Ill just have an "illegal" engine in a illegal car and just out run dem coppers. =D Lol, fuck the states.. seriously

Question: When working for an R.I., do I need to notify the DOT or NHTSA or anyone that I am legalizing a car?

Question: When working for an R.I., do I need to notify the DOT or NHTSA or anyone that I am legalizing a car?

When working for an RI ?

What kind of question is this ?

Do you know the first thing about being or working for an RI ? If you did this would be an asinine question.

The first thing that would happen is you need to get an HS-7 on an imported car. An RI can only work on a car they imported.

No sh*t. There is an RI near my city that has been looking for employees.. like fabricators and such.. which is my thing. I want to know(cause Im sending in an application) do you need to anwser to DOT or NHTSA by telling them you are working on legalizing a car? Do they need to know you are at an R.I. shop, working on a car they have brought over, to making it legalized. And I have minor information about working for an RI. So I'm inexperanced on this subject. I just have had my finger in this subject for a few months now. Im not a expert on this, I dont spend everyday, learning and reading on this topic.

If an RI imports a car they have to report it to the DOT. Importing GT-R's is not for the weak of heart or wallet right now.

If you want to do it legit, you are asking for much scrutiny. Take it for someone thats been importing and dealing with GT-Rs the last 7 years or so..

vectorspecialist please do more research because you have no idea what your saying. First off the military thing doesn't fly because you can't just say im military and skip all the dot issues. you must go through an RI and go through J& K technoloigies located in MD to legalise your vehicle. You do not have to convert anything to LHd either. Look at the motorex cars and see that none of them are converted. Some things that are changed are bumper supports, glass, obd2 and evap canister things for emmissions. I know all of this because I own a skyline in NJ that is fully legal. I have my dot bond release, registration and insurance card. They all say Nissan Skyline on them... Theres a video on youtube of me getting pulled over as well :-) well how did you get your skyline? did you import it or did you buy it already legalized? if you imported how did you do it?

i dnt have a skyline, i have a stealth, i looked into the skyline b4 i bought the stealth, but its too expensive, and i did enough research to find the ways of getting the cars in, and btw, ups can import cars, u just gotta pay thru the ass

Of course, you could just wait 'til 2014 to bring over a GT-R legally...

or not...if u wait all of about a yr from now u can get the r35