I pwned my friends 199? mustang GT Conv. the other night.:grinyes: lol I drive an 2004 5 speed Cavalier w/ minor bolt ons. The mustang was an automatic and their was 3 people in their car. I was alone. First we went from a roll. Sorta just playing around to see what I was up against and it was pretty close with me slowly walking away. Then we finally caught I light. I was sorta nervous because I haven't raced anyone on the street in a while. Since they we too busy yelling and stuff I got a good jump on him from the start. and by the end he was like 3 or 4 cars behind at the top of 3rd gear (88ishmph)!!!

It was the older style. like the 97 98 style. he said some shit about having a 5.0 dropped in it, but the kids is kinda stupid so I didn't know whether to believe him or not. next time I see him I'll ask him to pop the hood and also find out what year it is.

ehh... feasible.

ehh... feasible.

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meeh....are u sure it was the v8? i think the added 500 give or take pounds of everyone in the car diddnt hurt. looks like u had fun non the less. btw, what cavi do u drive? u say 5pd with minor bolt ons, but what engine?

He has a 98 GT and swaps a 5.0L in? Yeah, then he'd be a moron. :screwy:

meeh....are u sure it was the v8? i think the added 500 give or take pounds of everyone in the car diddnt hurt. looks like u had fun non the less. btw, what cavi do u drive? u say 5pd with minor bolt ons, but what engine?
Actually, on average, for every 100 pounds you add you effectively lose 10HP. So it would make a difference.

Not to mention the Mustang is a convertible... which is roughly 200lbs heavier than the coupe model.

3400lb car + roughly 600lbs in passengers = 4000lb car with 215hp.

Add in a slow shifting automatic transmission and you've got a sluggish vehicle.

Like I said, feasible.


Now, if the Mustang is just carrying the driver, and not three other people. Then the Mustang has the advantage with decent power and torque outputs.

im pretty sure a 98 gt convertible with an auto and 3 passengers is not gonna run 14.9 like his cavalier aparrently does.i had a 97 gt 5 speed with 3.73s and minor stuff, so im partial to the mustang here not the cavalier, but nice job showin people NOT to race a convertible auto car.those things give mustangs a bad name :disappoin

Thanks for the comments guys! I was sure there'd be a few nonbelievers, but Yeah... That wasn't the first time I've beat a conv. auto, mustang gt. The only time I really get to enjoy beating those kinds of cars are either when there weighed down like crazy(like this time) or when there is a young kid driving that can't lauch or shift etc.(also like this time) lol

Believe me I get my a$$ handed to me plenty of times when I go to the track. lmao.

SOHC 4.6 most likely.

yeah i forgot about that.if he says theres a 5.0 in there somethin is up cuz in 96 they went to the 4.6 mod motor

well in all honesty, i've seen some built up 302's that would mop the floor with the 4.6's....

so don't just think that he's being stupid, however the electrical work would be insane.. i don't see why he'd want to deal with all that, when he could simply do simular work to the 4.6 to pump out some serious power.

the same body style had the 302 in 94 and 95. so if it was that old then it could have had that engine. 302 is by no means a bad engine, in some ways i actually wish ford developed it more like gm did the the ls series.

ehh..the added weight part, was sarcasm.

Good kill. The older 93-98 Mustang GT's were porky pigs with very little power. They came out with 215hp, and then went up to 225hp in 1998. I use to own a 98 Cobra a long time ago. It was pretty peppy, but I found out quickly that it didn't keep up with the LS1 that well, despite numerous mods.

In reference to the 4.6 modular motor, apparently alot of the drag racers are finding out that the DOHC 4 valve cylinder is pretty decent. Most people still stand by the 5.0, and with good reason, as it is smaller dimensionally then the modular motor, and has alot more aftermarket support still.

In review of some of the times put up by the 4.6 liter V8 Stang GT I remember reading about it putting up a 15.3 sec. 1/4 mile, which is well within reach of your 1/4 mile time. BTW, what mods do you have on your Cavi?

My friend used to have a 98 (I think) GT, non convertible. And the best he could muster at Atco was 14.9 with I/E. So if his Cav has actually pulled off a 14.9 as well, I don't see much difficulty in beating a convertible with passengers, that extra weight could add a half second or more. Pretty sad IMO for an 8 cylinder losing to an NA 4

Someone asked what engine... All the 03, 04, and 05 cavalier's/sunfires have the 2.2 ecotec.

My mods are on my cardomain page, but for the lazy people...

AEM Cold Air Intake
Borla Pro XS straight through muffler
Lightweight Billet Aluminum Crank Pulley (CustomCarGrills)
Lightweight Aluminum Alt. pulley
Polyurathane Lower Motor Mount
Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Header
Magnaflow Hi-flow Cat
All piping 2 1/4in all the way back.

The only weight reduction was taking out the spare and jack.So I would like to strip out the interior and go back out to the track.

yeah, the kid said it was a 5.0 crate engine... I dunno... maybe (if it is) then it might not be broken in yet?

we'll see.

If you do gut the interior you should be able to get a better 1/4 mile and trap than -Jayson- and hes got his cavalier supercharged...I would say thats pretty good....

well in all honesty, i've seen some built up 302's that would mop the floor with the 4.6's....

so don't just think that he's being stupid, however the electrical work would be insane.. i don't see why he'd want to deal with all that, when he could simply do simular work to the 4.6 to pump out some serious power.

And that's exactly why I think he would be stupid.

If you do gut the interior you should be able to get a better 1/4 mile and trap than -Jayson- and hes got his cavalier supercharged...I would say thats pretty good....


If he can manage to dump 300+lbs lol.

Now here is what I don't get, you said you're car has the 2.2 ecotec, Jayson has the 2.4, correct? Because if he's running 7psi, and all you have are intake, exhaust, and a lightweight pulley, I'm surprised there is only a .3 second difference.

Looks like the 2.2 140hp/150 lb.ft. and the 2.4 is 150hp/150lb.ft......could be a factory freak I suppose...Either way if thats what hes running thats pretty good...I hope that I can get my Jeep in the low 14's and as close to 100mph that I can....wishful thinking I'm sure but you never know.........

He's also got a 5 speed, and not a sluggish automatic like Jason. That helps speed it up a bit, a bit more aggressive gearing, and a bit quicker shifts I'd say, than a automatic that's designed to shift slow and smooth for economy minded people.

true...could be the driver also...

All piping 2 1/4in all the way back.
This is in no way a crack at you...so please don't take it that way.
I just can't get over that he has 2.25" piping for his exhaust, and each of my cylinders has a 1.875" header primary coming off it. :icon16:

Nice times though! Nice kill as well.

If he can manage to dump 300+lbs lol.

Now here is what I don't get, you said you're car has the 2.2 ecotec, Jayson has the 2.4, correct? Because if he's running 7psi, and all you have are intake, exhaust, and a lightweight pulley, I'm surprised there is only a .3 second difference.

I'd say he has more then just exhaust, as he has ceramic headers. I've heard that the ecotec is a more stout motor then the Quad 4, and heard of people running heavily modified Ecotec Cavi's at LACR with 900-1,000 hp. That engine holds boost well. Besides Jayson should've purchased his with a manual :p

I'd love to see Jayson and this guy race. Do they live close to each other?

This is in no way a crack at you...so please don't take it that way. I just can't get over that he has 2.25" piping for his exhaust, and each of my cylinders has a 1.875" header primary coming off it.

I don't think the primaries are that big on my header... I dunno... I'll try to measure them to see. I'm getting a new catback anyway because I want mandrel bent and I have shitty crush bent right now.



If you do gut the interior you should be able to get a better 1/4 mile and trap than -Jayson- and hes got his cavalier supercharged...I would say thats pretty good....

Thanks. Wishful thinking, but I doubt I could hang with Jayson. I would gladly race him though... I live in Johnstown, Pa. Maybe if I get the tires and rims combo I want I can cut some 2.0 60ft's. Then, it would be a nice race. Anyone here go to PRP?

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Factory Freak... Also doubtful. This is the second engine in the car installed by a junkyard, and with the old one I ran a 15.2 with just an intake and a different muffler. Actually I think the old one was a little faster, but thats ok cuz I have it in the basement and I am going to rebuild it.

I have surprised alot of people racing. RX-8's, RSX's, older V8 camaro's and a hell of a lot of V6's. I know it's not a racecar, but I have fun with it. I also don't even have a big ass exhaust tip. I have a normal turndown with a resonator so it's not real loud.

I forgot about these forums. It's been a while since I posted here. I usually just read stories... Everyone here seems really cool tho and alot of people are rockin my next car...LS1 Trans am!!!!:wink: I love those things.

I'd say he has more then just exhaust, as he has ceramic headers.


Besides Jayson should've purchased his with a manual :p



Jayson has headers too, I thought..plus they are still a bolton exhaust mod in my book. But I did forget Jayson had an auto... :banghead:

my car is slow i know... but if i raced you and lost id definatly be surprised, i mean its not every day that you see a cavy running in the 14s.... sounds like teh ol ecotec is a pretty decent engine.

full bolt ons with a stripped ecotec, i could see it running 14.9 with a really good launch and driver. I dont see it being consistantly there, but i could see it hitting it.

The ecotec engine is an aluminum block compared to my cast iron block, so its got a weight advantage right there. If my car was a manual with full bolt ons i would be able to hit high 14's as well. Low 15's would be the average though. Just as i am sure it is with his.

nice to see a real jbody enthusiast here and not the normal over abundant amount of ricers, stay out of the cavalier section here, its nothing but ricers who know jack shit about cars. They all hate me because of my car. If i post anything negative there about someone elses car, the usual response is "You think your so great just because you have a supercharger".

Trust me, that section is not worth your time

LS1 Trans am!!!!:wink:
Crap.

Crap.


Yeah, you're cramping his style. Time to get that Prius.

well, ur trans is already slow enough for too long. y dont u just swap the ls1 back in and go to being smi fast again? ;)

well, ur trans is already slow enough for too long. y dont u just swap the ls1 back in and go to being smi fast again? ;)

because thats way to much power for him to handle. he needs to put in one of those 3 cylinder engines... duh

:newbie:

thats too much already. he needs one of these

they make about 1hp and idk tq #.

http://www.osengines.com/engines/osmg2032.jpg

Not that looks nice!

^^They also rev to like 50,000rpm. I used to have those things (not in my real car of course lol)

have one here..its too fast for luos....
its in a rc10gt though.... 0 to 60 faster than rice(er)...

0 to 60 faster than rice(er)...
That is WAY too fast for me.

thats too much already. he needs one of these

they make about 1hp and idk tq #.

http://www.osengines.com/engines/osmg2032.jpg

i'd be amazed if they were 1hp. if they are it's the rev limit compansating for the tiny amount of torque they make.

That sounds like a good race for you. I've raced my friends 97' gt convertible auto (two people in each car), and I was about a car and a half behind around 90mph. The auto gt is decent from a dead stop, but I don't think it's hard for a "sporty" car to hang with one at freeway speeds IMO. So to me your race sounds perfectly plausible considering my car has ran a best of 15.6@88mph.
Sounds like you know how to drive if you've managed a 14.9.

That sounds like a good race for you. I've raced my friends 97' gt convertible auto (two people in each car), and I was about a car and a half behind around 90mph. The auto gt is decent from a dead stop, but I don't think it's hard for a "sporty" car to hang with one at freeway speeds IMO. So to me your race sounds perfectly plausible considering my car has ran a best of 15.6@88mph.
Sounds like you know how to drive if you've managed a 14.9.

Thanks, Yeah I run low 15's consistantly, but I've been driving sticks for a while.

That is WAY too fast for me.

whatever!

It is.
I don't know I could handle a car like yours.

BS i used to own a 04 cavalier and the thing couldnt beat a V8 anything if its life depended on it.

^ O no he didnt:nono:

*sits back and watches the war begin*

^ O no he didnt:nono:

*sits back and watches the war begin*

No war, just keep it civil folks.

Surprisingly, if you think an 04 Cavy couldn't beat a V8 anything, then you have much research to do. There are quite a few V8's out there that are slower than think. :)

the crown vic comes to mind. or the lincoln mark VII

I remember either Car & Driver or Motor Trend doing an article in which a Mustang GT Convertible ran a 16 sec. 1/4 mile.

As much as some 5.0 dudes would like for everyone to think they have a 13 sec. car stock, they do not. They can be modded easily though.

I remember either Car & Driver or Motor Trend doing an article in which a Mustang GT Convertible ran a 16 sec. 1/4 mile.

As much as some 5.0 dudes would like for everyone to think they have a 13 sec. car stock, they do not. They can be modded easily though.

they are usually in the low 15s. the fox 5.0 anyway, stock. verts are slower though, and car & driver times are ALWAYS slow.

they are usually in the low 15s. the fox 5.0 anyway, stock. verts are slower though, and car & driver times are ALWAYS slow.

I've seen test of them in the mid to high 14s which isn't bad I guess.

considering you can pick one up for 2k in great shape..... 2000 for a 14sec car is not bad at all